The 800-Pound Android: Google and Privacy 35
Like other Palm Pre fans, I have been eagerly following the development of Android, Google's mobile operating system, and particularly the well-hyped coverage of the impending Motorola 'Droid smartphone on Verizon. Certainly, Android shares much more with webOS than does the iPhone's OS X (Linux-based, open-source, etc.), although Android has both a time and marketshare lead on webOS, and some (like Matthew Miller on ZDNet) are suggesting that Android could lead to Palm's demise. Even if there wasn't room for multiple smarphone OS platforms beyond OS X (and there is, particularly in a worldwide market), though, webOS has one huge advantage over Android that people are ignoring: it's not from Google.
Google is, to put it bluntly, everywhere these days. From its humble start as a search engine, Google has moved into e-mail, office productivity, navigation, blogging, image storage and editing, Web browsing, and (with Android) smartphone operating systems. (The pantheon of Google offerings can be seen here.) Along the way, Google has put itself in the position of collecting a previously inconceivable amount of information about users, their interests, their habits, and more. Even medical information is (optionally) now part of Google's services.
Of course, Google's corporate mission statement is to make money without doing evil, but its revenue model absolutely depends on collecting and utilizing user information, from the targeted ads it serves on its search engine and in Gmail, to the traffic information it collects via Google Navigation, and so on. It's no wonder that Google's Privacy Center, which describes its data collection and uses, has both a main section and 41 separate pages for additional privacy disclosures for its various services. It's particularly interesting to look at Google's Mobile Privacy Policy, which not only covers the few Google products built into the webOS, but the entire range of tools underlying Android. The collection section states:
Mobile-specific information we collect
* Most of the personally identifying information we collect is what you tell us about yourself. For example, certain of our products and services allow you to interact and share personal information and data with others. You choose what you want to share and how you want to share it.
* Sometimes, we record your phone number. We record your phone number when you send it to us; ask us to remember it; or make a call or send a text message or SMS to or from Google. If you ask us to remember your phone number, we will associate your phone number with your Google Account, or, if you do not have a Google Account, with some other similar account ID. We often generate this account ID based on your device and hardware IDs, so if you change your device or hardware, you will have to re-associate this new device or hardware with your account before we can authenticate you.
* Most of the other information we collect for mobile, such as your device and hardware IDs and device type, the request type, your carrier, your carrier user ID, the content of your request, and basic usage stats about your device and use of Google's products and services does not by itself identify you to Google, though it may be unique or consist of or contain information that you consider personal.
* If you use location-enabled products and services, such as Google Maps for mobile, you may be sending us location information. This information may reveal your actual location, such as GPS data, or it may not, such as when you submit a partial address to look at a map of the area.
* If you use Google Latitude on a mobile device, in addition to other information, we collect battery life information and tie it to your Google Account.
* Certain of our products and services allow you to download and/or personalize the content you receive from us. For these products and services, we will record information about your downloads and preferences, along with any information you provide yourself (such as a list of your stocks to personalize your stock listings). If the product or service requires you to log in with a Google Account, this information will be associated with your Google Account.
* If you use Google to transcode, or format, non-mobile pages to display properly on your device, we need to send your request to Google's servers for formatting. That means that we will record these requests, which are generally for material beyond Google's sites.
* For products and services with voice recognition capabilities, we collect and store a copy of the voice commands you make to the product or service. To improve processing of your voice commands, we may also continuously record in temporary memory a few seconds of ambient background noise. This recording stays only temporarily on the device and is not sent to Google.
In the United States, consumers are used to trading privacy for convenience (e.g. supermarket club cards, highway tollpaying tags). Around the world, the restrictions on data collection and use are much more stringent, arising out of cultures that are significantly less comfortable with centralized data stores and how they can be used, but even U.S. consumers begin to get a bit leery when one entity holds so much information.
Google is far from the only company that has potential privacy issues with consumers. Just consider how much bad press Palm got for its reported collection of limited location and application data a few months ago. Now project that out to consumers who suddenly realize that their Android phone and their home and work computers are all feeding information about them and their activities and searches (and location and documents and...) to a single company.
For that matter, Palm is closely allied with Google even with webOS, with Google Maps and Google-owned YouTube as bundled applications, Google Gmail, contacts and calendar synchronization built into the PIM apps, Google and Google Maps as embedded options in Universal Search, and Google Service and Google Background Data Collection as options in Location Services. At least these Google-based features are options for webOS users, who can use Sprint Navigation, create direct Web links to other search engines (and even add them to Universal Search), and disable Google location services, to reduce or eliminate Google's data flow from their Pres (and soon Pixis). With Android devices, though, the ability to go "Google-less" is at least reduced, and may not even be available at all.
Does this mean that Android won't succeed? Hardly; it is a solid OS, is quite customizable, has thousands of applications, and (not incidentally) has the marketing power of Google behind it. (Consider that Google can literally put an ad for Android on every search result page and in every Gmail message, at no cost to itself.) It does, though, suggest that Android's future and marketshare may depend not only on the software and the hardware on which it runs, but on the willingness of consumers to share even more of their lives with Google. To the extent that there is some concern or backlash against vendors who have access to information via multiple platforms, even Apple and Microsoft (which after all run both mobile and desktop devices) could take some heat. The clear winner in such a conflict, of course, would be the smartphone manufacturer with competitive features but without the privacy burden of its rivals, namely Palm and webOS.
Stay tuned.



























35 Comments
Palm should give us the option of synching contacts directly with our desktops, rather than tacitly using Google as the easiest contact backup solution for people who want to move info from one phone to another. We should be able to do this without forking out another $40 for an app and having to have access to a bonjour wireless network. By opening up a gmail account, users are agreeing to give google access to all info associated with that account and to read messages. My messages and my contacts are my business; not Google's, not Palm's. Let customers synch directly to the computer without going through the cloud, and fix the USB door so we can do this without messing up the phone.
I also agree. And it's also hard to use the phone while it's plugged in with a USB cable in the way.
I paid the $ and I sync with my PC every day over my secured wireless network. My data's not going to Google and not going through the cloud. I used PocketMirror with my Treo many years ago and I know the sync is dependable, accurate and effortless(unlike Google's sync, or even Blackberry's, which I suffered through for the last 2 years) so I had no problem paying for it.
The bootom line is that most people don't care enough to not use Google or the Palm profile. If you care enough to complain and to post here then it seems the $ for the app is really not all that much in comparison.
Which backup application do you use? PocketMirror? There's more than one sync application and they aren't all the same. I wasn't sure if your reference to using PocketMirror in the past meant that this is the one you're using right now on your Pre.
WORD!
maybe people should, but I doubt most "actively" care
I agree, people MAYBE should worry, but nobody really does, that so called disadvantage from Android devices is really a huge adavantage, considering Google is huge, has all these services, and simply put, doesn't have a bad image, and any significant rejection rates, that big corporations usually have, on the contrary, they have quite a good image.
I stopped using google over a year ago and went to Bing (formerly Live Search). It would be very easy for MS to offer Bing with 100% no ad's (as they get $$ from Windows and Offices and...). Also I dont get as many ad related search results.
And my VM never got indexed.
which other search engines are outthere besides google that I can use cause I aint using googles anymore
Bing.com has worked the best for me.
They all collect information on you. If you're that worried the only thing you can do is disconnect your computer from the internet. At least Google has Dashboard and History so you can see what information they have about you, and even clear some of it.
They all spy on you (I believe part of it is by law) but there are ways around the searches. One would be to patch the global search to remove direct Google queries and include Scroogle (scroogle.org) and StartPage (aka ixquick).
Another way would be to simply use the web browser and search directly from the above sites (create quick icons for them).
Since when is WebOS open source? Oh, wait, it isn't...
WebOS itself isn't Open Source, but much of the Linux core and packages they use are. http://opensource.palm.com/
Paranoid wackos.
It's not paranoia if one company is actually collecting a tremendous amount of information about you. More to the point, the first of the Fair Information Practice Principles is Notice/Awareness, which the FTC explains as follows:
"The most fundamental principle is notice. Consumers should be given notice of an entity's information practices before any personal information is collected from them. Without notice, a consumer cannot make an informed decision as to whether and to what extent to disclose personal information.
Moreover, three of the other principles discussed below -- choice/consent, access/participation, and enforcement/redress -- are only meaningful when a consumer has notice of an entity's policies, and his or her rights with respect thereto.
While the scope and content of notice will depend on the entity's substantive information practices, notice of some or all of the following have been recognized as essential to ensuring that consumers are properly informed before divulging personal information:
* identification of the entity collecting the data;
* identification of the uses to which the data will be put;
* identification of any potential recipients of the data;
* the nature of the data collected and the means by which it is collected if not obvious (passively, by means of electronic monitoring, or actively, by asking the consumer to provide the information);
* whether the provision of the requested data is voluntary or required, and the consequences of a refusal to provide the requested information; and
* the steps taken by the data collector to ensure the confidentiality, integrity and quality of the data.
Some information practice codes state that the notice should also identify any available consumer rights, including: any choice respecting the use of the data; whether the consumer has been given a right of access to the data; the ability of the consumer to contest inaccuracies; the availability of redress for violations of the practice code; and how such rights can be exercised.
In the Internet context, notice can be accomplished easily by the posting of an information practice disclosure describing an entity's information practices on a company's site on the Web. To be effective, such a disclosure should be clear and conspicuous, posted in a prominent location, and readily accessible from both the site's home page and any Web page where information is collected from the consumer. It should also be unavoidable and understandable so that it gives consumers meaningful and effective notice of what will happen to the personal information they are asked to divulge."
The point of my article is that people are only now beginning to become aware of exactly how much information, from exactly how many sources, Google is collecting about them, and that for some (of us), it's a bit concerning. {Jonathan}
I'd much rather let google have my information than microsoft, google at least makes the claim about not doing evil, do you think microsoft has any qualms about doing whatever it takes to make money? if you like webos you should hate MS, they've been using anti-competitive tactics and spreading disinformation about linux for years. I think this is a moot point, because most webOS users will be synching with google anyways. so either way, google has all your info.
I don't agree with the Google privacy assessment one bit. The amount of people who are truly and honestly afraid of Google's data gathering practices seem to be a slim minority. Moreover, there is no need for Android devices to be a "Google Experience" device.
On the other hand, I don't think Palm is going anywhere. While Android is a solid platform, it isn't a cohesive one in terms of device support.
Apple has been able to roll out software updates across all their iPhone devices in lockstep. Consumers feel support, even if the oldest first generation iPhone does not have the entire feature set as the current 3GS.
Android devices are created and maintained by the manufacturers of the device - not Google. The choice to keep a device up to date is all on the manufacturers side. To me, this sounds very similar to the current WinMo or, worse, the "dumb" phone market.
When Verizon releases the Motorola DROID phone, it will mean there will be devices out with v1.5, v1.6 and v2.0 of the Android platform out in the market. Moreover, there is no clear intention on the manufacturers of the device for how long those platforms will be supported, and this is where I think Android hurts the most.
Currently there is a disparity between the recently launched GSM pre and the CDMA pre when it comes to OS version. With pixi around the corner, the question is whether a webOS update will roll out to bring all the devices up to speed in lockstep.
Personally, I think the consumer feels more confident in a platform when they get assurance that there is a possibility their bugs will be fixed and new features will be added. "Dumb" phones haven't delivered that experience. WinMo never delivered that experience. Android is starting to fragment.
The best thing going for Palm right now is being able to support all their platforms for a long term (read: years) of updates and fixes in a coherent fashion. If Palm can deliver on this promise to the consumers, I think they can easily survive alongside Apple and Android.
let's all hate on one of the most open source accessible user friendly platforms around.
No-one is saying "Let's hate them." People are saying, "Let's be aware of what the potential consequences are."
That is one reason I am not so inclined to go to google but Palm relies fairly heavy on some google tools for search / location based search / email and contacts connectivity.
I understand that (with the exception of searches) these can be avoided but the user experience is somewhat diminished. I suppose its a legitimate tradeoff.
Still, how does having an android phone give google your data? Is all your info (and outside mailboxes) required to synchronize with google? (I presume yes)
Google tracks everything you do on the device so that they can sell ad's directed at you based on your usage trends.
The benefit for google is that they can pinpoint the ads that you are the most likely to hit and maximize their income at your expense.
its so true... i bought parallels desktop v.5 for my Mac yesterday because of a google ad.
One problem for Android is that developers can't seem to make any money on them. "The sales aren't disappointing; they are jaw-droppingly terrible." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-volk/mountain-view-we-have-a-p_b_1...
The gold rush on the iPhone is drying up as well. Lots of prospectors, very few can make a living at it.
Think the long term strategy for any of these platforms, including webOS, is how to create a community of sustainable, quality development. Eventually, most of the miners left the gold fields for good.
Google > Skynet
Imagine Terminators powerd by Android OS!!
It's not Google?
I'm sure this happens a lot:
"NO! I hate products that have anything to do with Apple, Google, BlackBerry, and even Windows Mobile... please please is there some other 3rd or 4th tier smart-phone provider that can serve up something comparable?"
It's not google, but most Pre users use Google apps to synch with the Pre. And Palm stores your backup data on it's own servers, too. If you're that worried, carry a Treo and don't sync with anything but your desktop.
Coincidentally, Google just released a new tool, Dashboard, which gives users access to some (but by no means all) of the information Google has collected about them. It's available at:
https://www.google.com/dashboard
Thanks for your thoughts and comments. {Jonathan}
The vast majority of consumers will trust Google with their private data long before they trust Palm, MS, or even their wireless carrier.
You would be amazed at what personal information Palm can store about its Pre users...check out the TOS and privacy policy.
Not to make light of people's concerns about privacy, but if someone really wants to steal your info, it's so much simpler for them to walk up to your mail box and read your snail mail rather than dig through your garbage (for all those with industrial size shredders) or hack your google or any internet account. Anybody looking to hold the United States Postal Service liable for privacy concerns?
The USPS isn't opening letters and then accepting money from others to advertise to you based on the contents of your personal letters. So I'm not sure what your point is. Also, in the general case, if people are going through your mail you'll figure it out.
The point is marketers have had access to your personal information ages before Google came around; Before digital was even a concern. When you move, buy your house, you get tons of junk mail you didn't sign up for. Someone sold you out, and the USPS delivered it to your mailbox. Obviously you'll find out if you're missing mail you're expecting, but people neglect how much someone can learn about you through the junk that gets sent to you. Besides that, unless your mailbox has a lock, it's completely accessible. Bank statements...medical, etc...Google's just a new tool, but it isn't doing anything that hasn't been going on for ages.
"Rise of the machines...", "Sky net is coming..."...
Well - actually: YES.
So let's be _active_, and _discuss_ it!
Otherwise we will surely get Microsoft #2. On the web... & much much worse than #1 is (or - already was...?)...
(if it's not too late already...)
What I find funny about this is google pretty much says,
"we know what you do, where you go, and who you do it with."
While palm was collecting mostly anonymous data, it got hammered on twitter and around the web.
Google, who is the biggest aggregator of personal information, and continues to roll out free services to collect more data, doesn't even get a tweet.
I like how it says we are storing your voice. I wonder if Droid request a DNA sample, as your profile password.
Thats the scary part...
As kok_warlock puts it (above), 'they have quite a good image.'
The truth, however, is far from that but its easy to come to such a conclusion as they're not some multinational that's polluting the environment or operating sweatshops.
I wont get into it as it seems moot at this point; the great Goog has minds well locked.
But for those interested: http://www.google-watch.org/