AT&T Veer 4G available May 15th for $99 on contract 203
AT&T and HP have just announced the Veer 4G will be available on May 15th for $99 with a two-year contract. It will be available in both black and white variations onilne and in AT&T stores. Running webOS, the Veer 4G will also fully support flash and have 8gb of internal storage. For those of you holding out hope for a T-Mobile version or even a CDMA version, AT&T notes that the Veer will be an exclusive.
In our hands-on with the Veer, we found it to be about as fast and powerful as the Pre 2 - which is to say that it's probably the most powerful smartphone in a package this small - the "size of a credit card and no thicker than a deck of cards," as the press release after the break notes.
Interested in learning more about the Veer? Here's everything we learned about the Veer last February. We expect that HP will be putting some serious marketing muscle behind the little device, with the tagline "Small is the new big" and a general focus on the fact that while other manufacturers are releasing larger and larger phones, the Veer offers similar power in a small package:
“A large majority of our customers are choosing smartphones but they don’t all want the same thing,” said Michael Woodward, vice president, Mobile Device Portfolio, AT&T Mobility and Consumer Markets. “HP Veer 4G gives us a highly unique and feature-rich smartphone for customers who want something a ‘little’ different.”
The Specs on the Veer 4G haven't changed since it was announced: it has a 2.6" touchscreen with 320x400 resolution, a 800MHz processor that performs better than you might expect since it's the latest-generation Qualcomm MSM7230, 8 gigs of storage, a 5mp camera, a 910mAh battery (non-removable) good for 5 hours of talk time, Quad-band EDGE and Tri-Band HSDPA+ and HSUPA Cat 6 (upload speeds max at about 5.76Mb/s) on AT&T's network, and weighs a mere 3.63 ounces. The Veer 4G also can be charged via Touchstone or via its custom, magnetic charging adapter, which doubles as a headphone adapter. Fortunately, it supports WiFi and Bluetooth, so Bluetooth headphones for the Veer are likely going to be a hot commodity.
Finally, the HP Palm blog notes that the Veer 4G will support carrier billing in the App Catalog, so consumers can choose to pay for apps by having them added to their monthly AT&T bill.
Full Press release after the break.
Source: AT&T; HP Palm Blog
AT&T Goes Small With HP Veer 4G
Exclusive Smartphone for AT&T Customers Available May 15, Packs a Big Experience into a Powerfully Small Design
Dallas, Texas, May 04, 2011
Key Facts
The new HP Veer 4G*, the size of a credit card and no thicker than a deck of cards, will be the smallest full-featured HP webOS smartphone to date and AT&T’s** first to run the latest version of webOS software.
Perfect for feature phone or quick messaging phone users looking for all of the features and capabilities of a smartphone without compromising on size and style.
Exclusive in the U.S. for AT&T customers, HP Veer 4G is available in black and white.
HP Veer 4G will be available from AT&T at company-owned stores and online at http://www.att.com/ on May 15 and will cost $99.99 with a two-year contract.
4G Portfolio
AT&T is a pioneer in smartphones and devices, and expects to widen its portfolio in 2011. In January, AT&T committed to introducing 20 4G devices by the end of the year. Available exclusively to AT&T customers, HP Veer 4G will be one of several 4G devices offered in the first half of 2011.
Customer Benefits
With the HP Veer 4G, AT&T customers can have it all – access to the web, apps, social networks and more, all in one powerfully small design. For those who value size, pocketability and style, Veer offers a refreshing alternative to the larger smartphone devices that are currently in the market, without compromising on functionality.
Powered by HP webOS, Veer offers an advanced browser and an incredibly fast processor for a fantastic web experience including Adobe Flash support, plus 8GB of internal user storage and a full keyboard that slides out for fast texting and email. Notifications instantly display messages, reminders, and Facebook® updates on a vivid 2.6-inch touchscreen, with instant messages, texts and pictures from the same person available all in one view.
HP Veer 4G comes preloaded with several popular apps including mobile hotspot and AT&T Navigator. The mobile hotspot functionality*** allows users to share wireless internet connectivity with up to five Wi-Fi-enabled devices while AT&T Navigator**** a GPS-enabled navigation service, is designed to provide you with clear and precise audible and visual turn-by-turn driving directions, including full-color moving maps, using GPS directly from your wireless phone.
In addition, thousands of apps are available at your fingertips in the redesigned webOS App Catalog - social networking, health and fitness, productivity, finance, games—you name it. With Veer, customers are able to keep multiple apps open at once and easily switch back and forth between them. Purchasing apps is now even easier with the addition of carrier billing. Customers can now buy apps on their phone and have it added to their monthly bill with just a tap.
If you need a little help finding your way or locating cool things to do around you, Veer also boasts built-in GPS.
Key Specifications
HP webOS 2.1
3.63 ounces
Tri-band UMTS: 850/1900/2100; HSDPA Cat 10/HSUPA Cat 6
Quad-band GSM/EDGE
800Mhz processor (Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM7230)
2.6-inch multitouch display screen with a vibrant 18-bit color, 320x400 resolution
Slide-out physical QWERTY keyboard
Email and integrated IM, SMS and MMS
Facebook integration, YouTube
Wi-Fi/aGPS capable
5-megapixel camera with extended depth of field, geotagging, and video capture
Stereo Bluetooth (2.1)
8GB internal storage(~6.1GB available)
910 mAh battery; up to 5.0 hours of talk time or up to 300 hours of standby time.
webOS WebKit browser with Flash support
HP Touchstone compatible (sold separately)
To learn more about the HP Veer 4G, visit www.att.com/mobilephones-news.
Quotes
“A large majority of our customers are choosing smartphones but they don’t all want the same thing,” said Michael Woodward, vice president, Mobile Device Portfolio, AT&T Mobility and Consumer Markets. “HP Veer 4G gives us a highly unique and feature-rich smartphone for customers who want something a ‘little’ different.”
“Veer is introducing the smartphone experience to a new generation of users,” said Stephane Maes, vice president of smartphone product management, Palm Global Business Unit, HP. “Its unique combination of high-end webOS smartphone features in a surprisingly compact package is just right for customers who want to do more with less.”
*4G speeds delivered by HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul. Available in limited areas. Availability increasing with ongoing backhaul deployment. Requires 4G device and compatible voice and data plans. Learn more at att.com/network
**AT&T products and services are provided or offered by subsidiaries and affiliates of AT&T Inc. under the AT&T brand and not by AT&T Inc.
***Mobile Hotspot Requires a DataPro 4GB plan. Devices connected to your Mobile Hotspot use data from your DataPro 4GB plan. Overage charges apply if the included monthly data allowance is exceeded. Performance may vary depending on the number of devices connected and other factors. If you do not use a password, others will be able to use your Mobile Hotspot connection
****Navigator requires a separate subscription
Limited-time offer. Requires 2 year agmt., $36 activation fee, eligible voice and smartphone data plan. Early termination fee of up to $325. Smartphone Data Plan Requirement: Smartphones require a DataPlus (200MB) or DataPro (2GB) plan. If you exceed your initial data allowance, you will automatically be charged an additional $10 for each additional 1GB provided on DataPro or an additional $15 for each additional 200MB provided on DataPlus. All data allowances, including overages, must be used in the billing period in which the allowance is provided or they will be forfeited. For more details on Data Plans, go to att.com/dataplans. Sales tax calculated based on price of unactivated equipment Other conditions apply. For complete terms, see att.com/wirelessterms.
ted equipment Other conditions apply. For complete terms, see att.com/wirelessterms.
203 Comments
Good price point!
Talking about price...
What about Pre+ and Pixi+ users on AT&T? Are they going to get free Veers or a large rebate? Make Things Right!
Why risk contractually tying yourself to a device for 2 years when the manufacture demonstrates no commitment to support their products over that duration nor communicate with customers stuck with broken hardware and broken promises? I love the OS but I really need some reasons to trust the company.
Why? You bought a phone, it's now old. Buy a new phone, that's been the name of the game on electronics since.. well the beginning. Should Dell make it right that I own a Dimension C521? What makes you entitled to anything. I own a Pre -, I don't how people think they're entitled to the latest phone or upgrade because something new has been released that's better.
+10000 It does get tiring, doesn't it?
I couldn't have said it better...once I realized webos2.0 wouldn't b released for my Pre I bought another phone...I don't hold a grudge....I love HP/Palm
1) The phone was bought in August... its not old.
2) I can't buy a new phone... I'm under contract with Sprint for another year and a half.
3) I'm entitled since... HP promised the upgrade and I made a purchasing decision based on this promise because this would have ensured that the phone would remain reasonably useful until the contract was up. Of course it wouldn't be upgraded forever with every new feature
4) I'm still entitled since... HP, this February, promised to "make things right". Since HP says the hardware is the problem this raised the idea that HP's options do not include the update (which is all that was originally expected). Since HP hasn't clarified how they plan to keep this promise they have, again, allowed expectations to be based on speculation. Speculation of rebate or hardware exchange has been tentatively raised in P|C articles too. It's time for HP to clarify their plans so this issue can finally die.
The key issue is if HP is a wise steward of their own platform. If not? Then there is no reason to buy it no matter how cool the underlying OS is.
We all know an official WebDoctor is technically possible. At a minimum releasing the upgrade would go a long way to help stuck legacy take a chance on a new WebOS phone when their contracts expire.
Begging your pardon, but in August everybody was eagerly anticipating the Pre2. In August everybody knew new hardware was coming. Granted that the hardware didn't come then, but why would you buy something in August knowing newer hardware was coming and then rant at HP for not updating 2 year old hardware to newer software? Wasn't it also in August we knew the update wasn't coming to the older hardware anyway?
No, it was only in August that the upgrade went into Beta testing. Furthermore the upgrade was being promised by HP until January when they announced the Think Beyond event. There was no reason to suspect that the upgrade wasn't gonna be available until Feb 9th.
http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/01/twas-the-week-after-christmas.html
http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/10/why-webos-20-goes-to-11.html
http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/08/the-next-big-webos-thing.html
I bought the phone because I'm a 10+ year user of Palm devices and loved WebOS. The phone is my wife's phone. I converted her to the Palm ranks years ago and when her 2yr contract on her Centro was up she really wanted to get a Pre with no delay. Since Sprint has more affordable data plans we ended up getting the Pre- which didn't seem like an issue with the upgrade coming. She's not a power user and doesn't need the more power hungry new features. A 1.5 or a scaled back 2.0 with stacks, favorite contacts would have address many of her complaints with 1.4.5.
One correction... I double checked and I actually bought the phone in the 2nd week of Sept.
Palm did make thing right. They stewarded WebOS so poorly, they've justified users moving to any other platform. I was ready to leave Sprint to follow WebOS. Now that I've seen things get worse after the merger and the hoopla of Feb 9, there is no reason to give them two more years of my tech life and I will donate that money to a more capable platform.
Nyallj, I get that you really like WebOS but you been drinkin a little too much kool-aid.
In August, the Pre was 14-MONTH OLD HARDWARE. ONE year and TWO months. Not two years. And thats since launch day. For the people who got the phone at launch, they stopped receiving OS updates LESS THAN HALFWAY THROUGH their contracts. That is inexcusable.
It akso really pisses me off that some of you are flaming this guy for acting "entitled." As he clearly said, this is simply a direct reresuly of a failed promise (WebOS 2.0) followed by another promise (that they will do something to make things right).
If yourr gonna argue a point, don't exaggerate cuz it ruins your crecredibility. Any owner of a Pre has the absolute right to feel didisappointed because their phone was a FLAGSHIP phone that was dropped. That can be excused but we need some clear communication.
So how do we factor in that the company folded? What we should be thankful about is that it was incorporated into another who has chosen to continue producing and making newer hardware. Think about it, HP didn't have to make mobile phones, did they? They could have run with webOS on tablets and PCs. But they chose to continue making phones. Where would we all have been had they said: So sorry, but it's not in our (HP's) best interest, so end of story?
There's no need to factor in the company folding!! WebOS 2.0 was announced AFTER HP BOUGHT PALM. HP (not Palm) then promised that Legacy phones would receive aan update to WebOD2.0 "in the coming months". It never happened. Then, around the Think Beyond event, HP announced that the Legacy phones will NOT receive the update, but to stay tuned because they planned to "make things right".
These expectations are NOT coming from delusional users! They come from a company (HP and Palm TOGETHER) that has, since its inception, made and broken too many promises.
I feel like PreDogs hit the nail on the head. I still have a Pre, but only because my wife hates using Android. My personal phone is an Evo now (after 8 Pres) and I have no intention of going back unless HP makes some serious changes. Like, you know, LISRENING to what customers want and SUPPORTING their current customers.
If you buy an iPhone 4 on June and Apple releases the iPhone 5 on July no one wil make you a discount. The same applies for the HP phones and the rest of te brands.
Oh but on the contrary when Apple released iPad2 recent purchasers of iPads could return to buy up to a iPad2 or receive a $100 rebate. In addition Apple announced this proactively before the iPad2 was released. HP could really learn from Apple here that a little communication goes a long way to maintain customer satisfaction and quell unrest.
http://www.macgasm.net/2011/03/04/apple-refunding-ipad-customers-100/
Seriously, HP is the one who said they had to make a "difficult decision" and HP who said they would Make Things Right for these users... not me... not P|C... but HP did this February.
The problem is, in typical Palm fashion, HP promised details would follow in a few weeks but 3 months later no details. Without details from HP and based on what little they have said about the update problem many, including the editors, of P|C have speculated that a rebate or phone trade-in is HP's only option since HP laid blame on the hardware. But to make a rebate or trade-in program work HP needs to announce carriers. Now that there is at least one carrier it seems the detail for AT&T users should soon follow and hence my original (if perhaps too sarcastic) post.
Again this is not based on my sense of justice but on the very words of HP on their official blog to assure customers like me that they wouldn't leave us out to dry. If HP didn't say this I would have cut my losses months ago but HP said it.
P.S. There is a big difference between an obsolete laptop computer and obsolete cell phones in the United States. I can always replace my old laptop anytime I want... but I cannot always replace an obsolete phone without incurring early termination fees. Cell contracts suck, I wish cell carriers in the U.S. worked like those in Europe and Asia. But as U.S. carriers lock their customer into contracts the consumer has a reasonable expectation to receive a reasonable amount of support on their phone for the duration of their contract.
@Spherelander
You inspired me to login for the 1st time in almost a year (Post EVO Purchase). Dieter Bohn and other diehards like you inspired me to purchase the Pre in the first place, not that there were many options at Sprint to begin with way back then. But I read the wrighting on these very same walls and cut loose of my Pre and got myself an EVO and find myself on the cusp of getting an EVO 3d when it launches (Sprint Premier customers are elgible for upgrades annually) ! But the fact is, you seem to be really ticked off and I have a solution. Why not cut your loss right now? Simply goto Gazelle.com and put your Pre up for sale, you should probably be able get $30 or $40 bucks for it there. Next, while you are waiting for the prepaid postage package from Gazelle, goto to Craigslist and search for Sprint Hero or Sprint BB Curve. You should be able to likewise find a suitable handset for $30 or $40 today. Once you have closed the deal with the Criags seller, promptly go down to your local Sprint store and have it activated. In the end, you will have put your misery against HP/Palm to rest and be well on your way to greener pastures in about 14 months at which point you and your wife will be free to switch carriers or get yourself and upgraded Android or Blackberry. You are welcome.
Once again--he expects things to be made right not out of his own sense of entitlement, but because HP promised it.
and PLEASE, for the love of technology, do NOT get a Hero! Wife's Pre broke and I got her a Hero because we have wanted to move away from WebOS and its a terrible phone. The Pre is twice the phone the Hero is. I have rooted the Hero, installed the newest, cleanest, lightest, fastest version of android and ive overclocked it as fast as it will go (a paltry 768mhz) and it still sUCKs. Terrible phone.
@jay dubya
Thanks for the suggestion it might just come to that. Perhaps I've drunk too much Palm Kool-aid, but in the final analysis I'm still hoping HP gives me a reason not make this my final year (after 10+yrs) of using Palm products.
In the end it only wise buying products from companies that show a commitment to their customers and habitually fulfill the expectations they create. HP/Palm has long been surviving off vaporware and creating expectations that they continue to leave unfulfilled and thereby disappoint the customers that have drunk the expectation Kool-aid. HP needs to change this perception if they want to be "Cool" as Apotheker has said.
Adjacent apple products can run on the same o/s. HP directly gapped the Pre after only eight months of OTA corrections and minor upgrades. Apple doesn't treat rabid racoons that poorly.
I don't think I follow any of this. Does Apple have that many rabid raccoons as customers?
Tons. And by the way, he's right.
Please HPalm, don't make the Pre3 and exclusive with anyone, make it for the masses and I'll be one of them.
Can't wait to try it out and read the reviews.
Can you pre-order?
Not yet...
I see what you did there.
He veered off into a pun.
Hey, a veer pun following a pre pun! One more and we'd have a treo of puns!!!
Wow, at first I was like, "What a bunch of dorks." Then I realized, "No, I'm just jealous I didn't think of those puns." :(
I was more like, "What a bunch of pixis."
Maybe if you guys weren't so busy playing with your palms, you'd have thought of them first!!! :)
Lol
great pricepoint!
I want the Pre 3. Can we get an ETA for it?
Too high. It needs to be $49.99 if it needs a data plan
By making the initial price $99.99, there's room to drop it down to $49.99 after 6-12 months.
I say it drops to that in 2-3 months.
There is still room to drop the price after $49.99. It's called "FREE." That's what this phone should be in the first place, anyways.
This is what I've been thinking of doing as well. But then had a thought. What if I just buy it then "practice" with the new os features until the pre3 comes out? Here's my question though...Can somebody on ATT tell me something and save me a trip to a store/phone call? Are there any fees when buying a new phone before the end of a contract or being eligible for an upgrade? I bought a pre+ about a year ago and I'm interested in buying a veer now then a pre3 when it comes out. Will my only cost be that of the phone itself?
Are you talking etf? usualy if your about 3months or closer to ur upgrade SOME
I guess he was talking about just buying a new phone (withoud discounts) on the same contract.
I guess he will only have to pay the full price of the phone.
If I go into the store and want the veer will they charge me for anything other than the phone + activation? No contract termination? Just sign a new 2yr? Then again when the pre3 comes out?
Well.. Good morning!
YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Unlocked version please?
Cue the naysayers:
+10000000
the price is reasonable. i wish they would release it on all networks in the u.s. though. specially sprint!
And Verizon!
I've given up on Sprint. The question is do I jump on this now and get an ETF or wait for the Pre3. So ready for new hardware I may just take the jump now....plus I'll never have that damn headphone jack issue with the Veer since it has no headphone jack. ;)
Hadn't thought of that upside to the headphone hardware. Good one!
:-D
Can't really blame sprint on this one, it is said that the Veer is so small, it does not have room for a CDMA radio, so it will never be on Sprint or VZW
Ok I don't get it...I use to have a Samsung Juke...1 of the smallest phones ever how come it could fit the coma radio?
1. Its not a coma radio. 2. That was a simple feature phone and it was an inch thick. The veer is thinner than that and has a more powerful processor and more memory
Thanx for the clarification.
What I now want to know is if AT&T Pre+ or Pixi+ users are going to get a free Veer or a large rebate as part of the "Make Things Right" pledge.
Why follow good money after bad if HP doesn't show a commitment to their abandoned legacy customers? :-(
have you contacted Sprint through various channels (@sprint, @sprintcare on twitter, customer support, dan@sprint.com, etc) yet? if you haven't, please consider taking a moment to do so. the more of us speak up, the louder we'll be. it's especially important for those who have been on sprint for a long time and/or have a major account.
Hear, hear! It appears that Sprint does not take their webOS customer segment seriously. Maybe if enough customers "encourage" them....
I have only done the twitter comments to Sprint, but I took your advice and sent an email to them letting them know I am planning on leaving and this is why.
So we will see if I hear back from them and what they say. I doubt they can tell me much about new WebOS hardware, but hopefully it will help send a message for others.
Hey u can always use bluetooth headphones if ya want
YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let it be exclusive to att.......This phone will go over great with the teenage crowd. Why would you even chance buying this phone when you know the pre 3 will be out soon????
because it might actually be a preference to some people over the pre 3?
Not everyone requires or desires a huge phone. A phone-sagged pocket (or a belt-clip case) is the modern equivalent of a slide-rule holster or pocket protector.
HA hardly. If anything its the other way around. The Veer is more outdated that the bigger phones available to purchase
Because this form factor is perfect for some people.
I have the Evo right now and the thing is too darn big. Hate it in my suit pocket during the work week.
This phone would be perfect for my wife....waiting to see where the Pre 3 lands and we may be heading to AT&T.
What no pink colored ones?
i tweeted mr.harris asking for a green one myself :P
Just take off the white cover and spray paint it...
you sir, are brilliant.
Easier said than done if the construction is anything similar to my Pre2. That grippy "cover" is an integral part of the device.
Then don't take it off. Masking tape and paper over the part you don't want colour changed, and spray away.
Imagine what air-brush artists could put on this thing.
Off the start -- need to have good sales so the pricing could be slightly lower. Gonna stop by the nearest AT&T store on the 15th and see if the sale reps pushes me to the Andriod or Iphone again. I'm excited and can't wait to get the Pre 3 and Touchpad.
Oh yea, need some commercials targeting teenagers :-)
Nice updated picture. The first one was pretty bad looking.
> Exclusive in the U.S. for AT&T customers
Ugh! This is a bad sign. HP can't afford to do exclusive hardware deals because they don't have the mind share of Apple or the manufacturer diversity of Android. I hope they don't plan to make all of their devices exclusive to certain carriers.
HP has their own sales channels. They are one of the few companies that could break the backs of the carriers and their interference with the free market for mobile hardware. I can't understand why they don't just sell the phone directly on all carriers. They could use the the "finders fee" that carriers pay third parties for selling service to reduce the cost of the devices down to a reasonable level.
Question: How big would HP be right now if they only sold PCs bundled with one brand of internet service?
Agreed, there should be no exclusive deals. They need to get their phones out everywhere ASAP. Exclusive deals mean that the phone is already 'old' and 'outdated' by time it is available elsewhere. HP need to make their phones available on every US carrier as well as available in overseas countries. I personally want to be able to buy unlocked phones in Australia and at the moment they have to be imported.
They never said there was an exclusivity deal. They just said AT&T will be the only one to carry it.. for now.
From the precentral article: "For those of you holding out hope for a T-Mobile version or even a CDMA version, AT&T notes that the Veer will be an exclusive."
AT&T is the one noting this so it reeks of an exclusivity deal.
Um dude, read the first paragraph again:
"For those of you holding out hope for a T-Mobile version or even a CDMA version, AT&T notes that the Veer will be an exclusive"
Either way I love the phone love the OS. HATE THE CARRIER!
Think about it, WebOS has the smallest mind-share of any operating system today. And their big comback is to sell a "teen phone" on the same network that is selling the iPhone 3gs for 49 bucks? Call me crazy but if there is a market that is more based more on peer pressure and doing what everyone else is doing than the teen market let me know.
But last time I checked every teenager (that isn't a nerd) wants an iphone. How can you expect any teenager to buy a phone they've never heard of for more money than the most popular smartphone in the history of the world?
Seems like selling this through AT&T only (even if it is for a few months) is a colossal failure and another launch muff of the pre-
But hey that's just my opinion. LET THE THUMBS DOWN BEGIN! :)
AT&T says it's an exclusive because HP didn't bother making other versions for technical reasons. They never said that there was a straight up exclusivity agreement in place, only that making a CDMA or LTE version of this phone wouldn't be worth it. So HP get's a good deal and AT&T gets to call it exclusive, whether that was the original plan or not.
I think that might be splitting hairs a little. Whether they signed the agreement or not doesn't really effect us as consumers. If the reason AT&T has the phone is just that HP didn't want to make a CDMA version, or if they signed an agreement the result is the same no?
At the end of the day the only way anyone can get this is through AT&T. Which makes it exclusive whether anything was signed or not.
Not to mention the Veer will cost DOUBLE!
I love me some webos, and I want to see it succeed, that's why when I see this move it just makes me shake my head.
I agree with you 1000000%. I dont understand why people think teens are attracted to little phones. The "little tech" craze happened a few years ago. Now, people want what is going to display their social and entertainment media in the best way, and nobody cares about entertainment more than teenagers! This is the worst entertainment smartphone on the market. I sure hope they've improved the screen tech from the original Pixi because that screen was AWFUL. Washed out colors, dim, dull... my brother and dad both have them and I help them with the phones. Every time I pick one up I'm like "how can you use this screen?!
Anyway, I do not believe this will sell well for teens. MAYBE girls since with its tiny size it's the only smartphone that will fit in the teeny pockets in girls' jeans.
Great specs for such a little phone. However, I am waiting for the unlocked GSM Pre 3.
Girlfriend doesn't know yet... but she's getting a Veer!
Your not going to have a girlfriend for very much longer then!
If you had bought YOUR girlfriend something this nice, she might have stayed. Don't put YOUR bad experience on anybody else, friend.
I don't know if it's the fact that we haven't had "NEW" hardware in 2-years (Pre-classic thru Pre2 is a variation of old hardware anyway you slice it) or what but I must admit I want one. Not enough to change carriers but I have liked the Veer since I saw it at Think Beyond. As others said though I do wish it was $49.99 instead of $99.99, especially when you can get an iPhone for only $100 more and the HTC Inspire for the same price. Even $99 BOGO would be better. However I am hoping that the Veer follows other AT&T pricing for webOS devices and quickly drops. Would I say free on contract? Not at launch, but within 90-days yes.
iPhone only $100 more?
Inspire - twice the size, no keyboard, Android {shudder}?!
Those are your comparisons?
This little beast is super FAST, and has webOS! And s e x y looking to boot!
$100 more isn't that much considering how much the phone plans cost. If you're paying $80-100/month for your cell phone plan, $100 over 2 years isn't much money. If you think about it in a monthly way you're paying an extra $8.34 every month over your contract. Paying an extra $8.34 for the largest app store? The best accessory ecosystem? One of the smoothest most responsive OSes out there? (Only WinPho7 is their competition here). One with one of the best battery life? One with a front facing camera? One with the one of the best PPI displays? Yes, most people will take that.
Inspire. Twice the size is a HUGE bonus for some people, not a negative. And it's thinner than the Veer. You don't need a physical keyboard for a 4.3" screen. And Android does a lot more than webOS. It's not as nice (in my opinion), but it does do more than webOS as of now. Multitasking? Yep, Android does it (in an ugly way which I hate, but it does it). Notifications? Android does it just as well as webOS.
And both these phones have a 3.5mm head phone jack.
So yes, rcgaryk has some great comparisons and the Veer has some really really tough competition.
actually 100$ more is a big deal to ALOT of people. Why do you think theres such a huge appeal in the 49$ 3gs? my aunt herself got one for her husband JUST because it was 49$ the only reason she's been holding back was she didn't want to pay alot for the phone upfront. She is not a tech person just the average consumer. Trust me when i say those initial pricepoints make a big difference to alot of people. To us as people who follow tech and are really into our phones the extra cash for a phone you really want is no big deal but for the average person it could really make them swing one way or another.
In a way you made my point. Again I ask for $99 would the "average" consumer buy the Veer or the Inspire? And again I am not bashing the Veer, I'm a big little fan (see what I did there?).
To be totally accurate the Veer has a 3.5mm headphone jack "add-on". Its not integrated which will be a negative to some. But thanks, you absolutely got my point.
It has nothing to do with what you or I want, I am looking at what the general public wants. I would kill for the success of either of those devices with a webOS device, wouldn't you? And I don't think that the iPhone has suffered a whole lot at $200, do you? And if you haven't noticed, even on this site, people don't care as much if there is a physical keyboard if the on-board on-screen keyboard works well. I don't like Android but history would say it's sold better than webOS. A lot of those devices are slabs without keyboards. I'm just saying HP needs to keep the value proposition in perspective and when the average uninformed consumer walks into an AT&T store and sees the Inspire and the Veer, both at $99.99 I'm willing to bet that a majority will go with the Inspire. You can't compete with Android right not in-terms of mindshare or applications. I'm not saying the Veer is a bad device. Quite the contrary I really like it. I'm just saying that at $99.99 it may be a harder sell to some folks. I'm hoping I am wrong, I really want the Veer to gain traction and sell really well.
I'd bet when people walk into a store and see the Veer next to the Inspire and hold them in their hands, and see what webOS can do over Android, and see the speed of the little thing, and realise it's a smartphone too, they'll get the Veer over the Inspire.
But we just have to wait and see what the sales figure response over time is, won't we?
your crazy the inspire will double the veer's sales figures. This phone is junk, it may be fast, but its small, it comes from a company that will not support (or upgrade) the phone, and you need an add-on to use a headphone jack! This thing will fail big time no matter it its $99, $49, or free (which it will be free in 2 months or less)
Did you listen to yourself there? SMH...
You'be failed to take into account that the sales reps will all be extolling the virtues of android and iPhone. The ONLY people who will buy the Veer are people who want something small. And frankly, the iPhone is thinner than the Veer so its not even the smallest phone in that dimension. Will they sell a few Veers? Yes. Will they reach even 25% of the Inspire's sales figures in the same time frame? Doubt it, and that's not even touching iPhone's (3GS or 4) sales figures.
You make it sound like the customers would be idiots to want to see 'the virtues of Android and iPhone' and not want to see the virtues of the Veer and webOS. SMH.
I did not say or insinuate any such thing, if I understand your statement correctly. I'm saying that 90% of customers will go to a store and look at phones. Then, based on what theyre recommended by the salesperson, some will go do research. If the future is anything like the past, salespeople are not going to be showing customers what the veer is capable of. They will jabber on and on about the iPhone or the plethora of Android phones while the Veer sits in the corner, capable and cucute as a button, but nobody is looking.
Oh... and frankly, most customers ARE idiots. I've worked in a cell phone store before and i had people come in, I would show them the pre and tell them how great it was, but dammit they would still walk out of that store with a Samsung Instinct.
I don't think I want the Veer. Pre 3 please, but I still wish it wasn't an AT&T exclusive. I'll stop by to touch it.
If you like the phone head over to engadget were the comments are mostly negative and uninformed :(... Many kin references.
What did you expect? They're mostly right. It's an incredibly stupid move by HP to relaunch with a mini Pre. They didn't even update the OS to help it out any.
My guess is you didn't notice it's performance in the videos to make such an uninformed statement.
performance???? every new android phone will out perform this phone in everyway, plus there is huge community backing it up, and their screens are big enough to actually read what ever your looking at. This phone is junk, say what you will but lets all return back to this post once sale figures are out! veer crashes!
LOL. You like that word a lot, 'junk', don't you. Notice how similar it is what you write?
The veer may not be the answer to everyone's needs, but its not fair to call it junk. The original Pre? Definitely junk in many ways. I've had 8 of them. The Veer should have the improved build quality that came with the Pre2. I don't think it will sell well, but it is not junk. That 800mhz processor is faster and more efficient than the same clock speed processors in the G2 and Evo Shift. If WebOS had quadrant testing, I would wager that this little veer would outperform my Evo.
no kidding there are alot of people bashing this phone over there. That is also coming from a site that is not biased to these phones. This phone wont sell as much as people think it will.
The commenters are certainly biased. The fanboism over there is rampant. That being said its still a good place for random news.
Finally, finally new hardware and an actual release date. Will wait to see reviews and battery life implications however before making any jump to this.
Considering it's incredibly small with a 930mAh battery, compared to the Pre2's 1100mAh battery (the Pre2 reports good battery usage), I think this phone will do well on battery time also. (Specs say 5hrs talk-time, 300 hours standby - dumb phones don't even do those times).
BRING IT TO THE UK !!! But NOT for £100 !!!
Do a real conversion for once...
Heck ya! Just in time for my girlfriend's 2 year contract renewal. She liked the demos from Feb. hoping she still likes it when she tries it out in person.
The lack of a proper headphone jack bugs me for some reason. How well does that magnetic doohickey work?
It would be nice if AT&T offered a data lite plan. With only a 2.6" screen, I can't believe people will be pushing too much data to it. $99 bucks? $49 bucks? Who cares, when you're committing yourself to two years at near $90-$100 a month.
ATT does have a data-lite plan. I am on it. It costs $15 a month for 200 MB. Since 90% of my surfing is done via WiFi, I never come close to that, other than when I am on vacation out of state.
If it's anything similar to what the new macbook ros have then you can probably try it out in store.
Exclusives won't be so bad if each carrier has its own exclusive and ALL carriers get the Pre 3. Otherwise, exclusivity is a terrible idea.
I like the price though. Does anyone remember the original Pixi price? I think it was $149 on contract.
Blame the carriers, not HP for these fail contracts.
actually $199 on contract, I waited 2 months and got it for $149 on contract :(
ORIGINAL Pixi on sprint was $99 on contract at release. I worked for them when it came out. Sweet little phone, but even then... the Pre was only $50 more. Some still went for the Pixie but by that time I no longer recommended the Pre because i had to exchange too many of them for defects which was a serious PITA. Its so sad to see whats happened/happening with webos. Original pre is a flop, so they release a tiny one? Did they do ANY consumer research? ...
"Bluetooth headphones for the Veer are likely going to be a hot commodity" No a phone without a headphone jack or micro usb port is not a smartphone, it's ridiculous and won't sell. Proprietary adapters is it 1999? Really HP, Really?
Why do you think it has no headphone jack??? It does, it attaches to the side, its an adapter that it comes with!!
Listen, if you have to carry an extra adapter around with you that makes the phone an even odder shape than normal, it defeats the purpose of having a small phone and it effectively does not have a headphone jack. It may be a big turn off to a sizable portion of the phone's intended market. That's all.
totally agree and what happens when you lose the adapter or it goes in the wash.
Exclusive to ATT!!??!? Really?!
The last thing HP needs now is limiting the exposure of their phones.
"Exclusive"
That is a very depressing word. As a Sprint PRE- user since launch day, I am daily more and more inclined to leave WebOS behind for Android. I hate to do it, but I will absolutely NEVER go to AT&T, and I really don't want to leave Sprint. Yep, very depressing...
Yeah. I have little hope of Sprint getting a new WebOS device any time soon.
My guess is Verizon will get the Pre 3 as an exclusive and Sprint will end up getting that rumor slab phone... at some point.
I've been patient with my launch Pre long enough. I'm still waiting for them to come out and say what exactly they're going to do for original Pre owners.
+++ this is getting rediculous! I still have a Pre- and it NEEDS upgraded so BAD!
Come on HP work with YOUR faithful LOYAL clients before you try to rope in tweeners!!!
The Veer is only $99
only $99?
$99 with a 2 year contract on AT&T is TOO MUCH for the veer.
You can get the iphone 3gs for $49. It's thinner, bigger screen and better battery life.
I've dealt with AT&T for 12 months before I switched to sprint for the pre minus. The only way i would sign an AT&T contract again is if the pre 3 was available for it and for free with a 2 year contract.
Considering how many owners of the original Pre purchased it as a high-end smartphone, going to the Veer is unfortunately not really an upgrade. For those who do very little web browsing and video watching, etc. Then the Veer is fine, but many Pre users aare looking fofor something with MORE multimedia capability than their original phone, not less. The Veer has flash and thats definitely a plus , but the Veer is only good for a small chunk of smartphone users due to its diminutive size.
But isn't the Veer being marketed similarly to the Pixi back then as a lower end option to the Pre3?
Sorry, my comment was in response to plcd22's comment about him needing a hardware upgrade. And right now, the Veer really doesnt seem like its being marketed as a downgrade of the Pre3, its being marketed as the powerful capable tiny phone. Which it largely is . I just dont think its what many people want. Look at HTC for example. They didnt come out and release the HTC Aria or Evo shift 4g and tout them as great, THEN come out with their major phones. They came out with the biggest, baddest, mostimoressive things they could (Evo, Incredible) to get attention, recognition and credibility, THEN released mid range offerings. Mediocrity does not build strong reputations o. Which to build strong sales numbers.
Yep, at this point that is basically all I'm waiting for, and I won't wait much longer.
This phone will never be a CDMA phone because of its size, so it will never be on Sprint or VZW!
can you please provide a source for this information?
i know how you all feel... i'm in the same boat... but please, take a moment and tell sprint that you want, hat they carry webOS phones. i realize that some of you may have already done so, but it doesn't hurt to keep hounding them. the more we speak up the better our collective voices are heard.
send them a note on twitter @sprint and @sprintcare.
the next time you're speaking/chatting with customer care, tell them to make a note in your account. ask for a supervisor and tell that person.
send an email to dan@sprint.com
write on their facebook wall
whatever you feel like doing, just take a few minutes to do it.
I guess it's easier for them to rant here instead.
You have no idea what others posting here have done in regard to expressing their opinions to Sprint and/or HP.
done and done:
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@sprint @sprintcare @palm I'm a #Pre user with the urge to switch carriers if no further #webOS phones arrive on Sprint. Should i move on?
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follow me @L00pHole
Exactly what I did...and dont regret it 1 bit...love the OS ( thats why im on this website) but not enough to resist the DROID Pro...1ghz prs..flawless navigation for free...free music app....free everything in the app market...its awesome..I still want the Pre 3 though, but by the time that's released it will be outdated too...don't be scared to switch.
You a big dummy what are you waiting for. Android is waiting for you. You all setting around crying. Nobody don't owe you anything.
Sad it's not going on Sprint as well. I think a Veer and a Touchpad would make a great combo to have. Maybe in time....yet more time....
This phone will never be a CDMA phone because of its size, so it will never be on Sprint or VZW!
Anyone going to camp out in front of the AT&T store? ;)
They won't need to...it's available online as well...unlike THAT fruit...
Glad to finally see a release date. Now we can get on with life. Hope you guys receive one for review soon!
I never wanted this little nugget, but going to be all over the Pre 3 but limiting it to at&t is just not smart. I sure hope the Pre launches on all carriers at the same time. They really do need to show Sprint some more love than they have. Where is the count down clock lol. I remember that from the Pre minus days
How bout Sprint showing HP some love? Do you really believe that if Sprint wanted a new webOS device that they wouldn't have one by now (more like a year ago!). Why would HP limit themselves by narrowing their potential customer base? Certainly not because of Verizon (apparently some love lacking there, too, based on how they treated the Pre2). I agree with all the above posters: let Sprint know how you feel (too late for some of us who've already abandoned their webOS-less ship).
Yeah another 6month exclusive contract, are we surprised? Really no point since Sprint is all up on android and Verizon would take a year to approve this phone anyways. All the contract does is hurt the Canadians from getting this anytime soon on Rogers.
Since we don't even consider T-Mobile anymore, this means at least 6months to wait for am unbranded version of the Veer. At least HP picked the carrier that would give the best saturation of webOS since android hasn't really went off there.
Well sense this phone will never be a CDMA phone, t-mobile getting bought out by ATT, lol where else can the Veer go?
Exclusive to the US -- means if Rogers wanted to carry it, they could. Here's hoping they or Ma. Bell picks it up.
What I'm hoping here is that, HPalm has been secretly revamping the specs on the Pre3 to make it a step ahead of the current iPhone.
Higher rez screen, better processor, more RAM, more storage, and better cameras (1080 30p or 60i video would be great!) etc.
Of course, my version of "making it right" for Pre- users on Sprint is -
(1) Purchase any Touchpad device and get a Pre3 Free along with a 12 month waiver for any additional smart phone data fees.
(2) Our purchase a new Pre3 for $49 with proof of ownership of a Pre-