Adobe declares that only ARMv7 Android devices getting Flash 10.1: Pre good, Pixi not so much? 72
Adobe’s been teasing us with Flash 10.1 on webOS for what seems like ages now. In fact, the first news about webOS and Flash came from Palm and Adobe more than a year ago. It’s been five months since we first saw Flash demoed on a Palm Pre and in the intervening months we’ve seen it shown off on all manner of Android devices as well. What we haven’t seen is Flash 10.1 on more lowly hardware, such as the Palm Pixi or HTC Hero. Now we might know why.
An Adobe employee, after revealing that they were not working on getting Flash 10.1 to work on Windows Mobile 6.5 (little surprise) recently declared that Adobe was only working to get Flash for Android working on ARMv7 processors. Processors that fall into that category include the Qualcomm Snapdragon powering devices like the Google Nexus One (and HTC Desire) and the TI OMAP3430 inside the Palm Pre, Pre Plus, and Motorola Droid/Milestone.
What doesn’t have an ARMv7 could be a problem for some webOS users: the Palm Pixi and Pixi Plus run off the Qualcomm MSM7627 processor, which is an ARMv6 chip. The MSM7627 is a beastly little chip, with two processing cores (600 MHz for processing, 400 MHz for the modem) and a 300 MHz graphics-core with Open GL 2.0 support - all packed into a tiny thumbnail-sized package. Has Adobe come out and said that they’re not working on Flash for the Pixi? Nope, but they haven’t said that they are. Even our man Palm CEO Jon Rubinstein, when showing off Flash 10.1 at CES 2010, was careful to say that Flash 10.1 would be coming to “all Pre phones.” Note the lack of Pixi in there.
[via: Engadget [via: Gizmodo]]
Thanks to Shadow-360 in the forums for the heads up!
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ya i want to know when it is rumored to come out so i can plan on the actual release date about 3 days later
Adobe takes SO freaking long.
First it was October (there's even a thread on this on P|C), then before end of December, then February.
Well, screw that. I don't know why I even bother waiting for this.
This is coming from a guy who got the Pre a couple days after its release, avidly waiting for video and flash.
Sigh...
The first two were Flash on Mobile Devices. Note: not WebOS. And the "February" was for WebOS 1.4. Adobe's timeframe for Flash on WebOS has *always* been "first half of 2010"
Doesn't anyone else remember this quote, from February of *last* year?
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Whoops. Thanks!
This is from Palm's website, under the section for Pixi 1.4 update:
This release includes support for the Adobe Flash 10.1 Beta plugin. Note that the plugin is a standalone app that will be available in App Catalog.
I saw that but then I saw that under the sprint 's pixi update to 1.4 info, it said
Wifi
A new Sleep Settings application menu item allows you to change a setting so that if Wi-Fi is on and the phone screen turns off, the Wi-Fi feature turns off. By default, if Wi-Fi is on and the screen turns off, the Wi-Fi feature stays on.
the sprint pixi has no wifi -.o lolWUT haha. maybe there's a secret wifi radio that palm shall unleash tomorrow and we'll all have a big laugh and enjoy the intrawebs over pizza :3
This sucks because i really really like the pixi. If it weren't for lack of game support and flash support i would recommend this for my girl and actually switch from sprint to vz and get pre and pixi plus.. Now ill hold off on that move.
Just give it to us already adobe. lol
I can't wait either. coz when the pre gets flash, it's over. It's done. all the other phones, android or not, an suck it. bwahahaha >:D and when my contract ends this december for my sprint pixi, the pre shall be all mines YES! lawl.
or, unless.......theyre stalling the flash 10.1 player for the arrival of palm's famed c40 mystery device??! O.O nah...too easy...
and hey! maybe they will come out with flash for the pixi ;D just not soon. by then I'll have my smexy pre 2, so the pixi be iight XD
I can't wait either. coz when the pre gets flash, it's over. It's done. all the other phones, android or not, an suck it. bwahahaha >:D and when my contract ends this december for my sprint pixi, the pre shall be all mines YES! lawl.
or, unless.......theyre stalling the flash 10.1 player for the arrival of palm's famed c40 mystery device??! O.O nah...too easy...
and hey! maybe they will come out with flash for the pixi ;D just not soon. by then I'll have my smexy pre 2, so the pixi be iight XD
The Pre, Pixi, and Pixi Plus, ALL suck in my opinion. The only good one is the Palm Pre Plus.
I love my Palm Pre, but never understood the waste of time creating the Pixie. The Pre is simple to use, a better product, is not that expensive, and has more going for it.
It for those who wanted a small more durable phone.. I love my pre.. But lets be real the hardware is flimsy.. But thats understandable for a 1st model.. Hopefully the C40 will be a waaaay better build.
The Pre may be better, but some folk don't like the form factor. My sister took her Pre back in part because she didn't like the slider (other part was the much ballyhooed battery life). The Pixi almost had her sold on WebOS again.
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i understand the draw of the pixi form factor, but internally its so underwhelming that it was never worth the price of entry. What palm should have done is squeezed the innards of the pre into a smaller, more durable device.
Make the Pre smaller? You got to be kidding me!
It should be bigger!
Ok.. So where the Hell is the beta??? Cus it went from being avail after CES.. Nope!!! After 1.4.. Nope!!! In Feb.. Nope.. So when??? Thats all I'm asking??
first half of 2010 ... which means the by july
As the screenshot says:
"Adobe Flash Player 10.1 is coming to Palm WebOS in the first half of 2010."
No sooner, no later. Well, I guess later could be an option. :-)
I understand that guys but that is the time frame that is giving for the offical Flash to come out for Palm.. I want to know where is this beta that is suppose to come out before the offical Flash.. Hopefully they dont release it a wk before its offically released.. I would hope that they get it out as soon as possible so enough of us can test it out and give feedback on any problems.. As to giving us a short ass beta period and having to go through constant updates when a problem arises.
Palm never said it would be out immediately after CES. The only thing out then were the 3D games.
What Palm did say was that 1.4 would be out in February and that Flash would be out "soon after 1.4." "Soon" could mean 1 day or 1 decade, because he never said soon relative to what. I believe it will be here between March 11-13 because that is when the Game Developer's Conference is and Palm is showcasing the PDK then and they might also showcase/release Flash there as well.
I was invited to the GDC, but without the $$ to go, I can't be there unfortunately, which is a shame. Anything where Palm invites you to go to see what they are showing off (maybe even get a first hand glimpse at a new device) is worth the cash.
Either way you put it, its still coming out after CES and after 1.4. Now that's a fact.
Sometime in March hahaha
And we are surprised by this resource-hogging plugin wont work on the Pixi? Just another divider that justifies the higher pricetag on the Pre. Its more than a form-factor difference ladies and gents!
My mom got the Pre for $20 LESS than the Pixi at Best Buy a month or so ago ($79 vs. $99)....she didn't care for the narrower keys of the Pixi anyways.
Just give us Flash and we will give you the feedback in what needs to be fixed!
Rumor is March 15th!!!! Yeah!!!! Can't wait!
Of course that is MY rumor, but it will end up in the forums that someone heard somewhere that March 15th is the date!! Then everyone will be wanting Adobe to come here and publicly denounce the rumor of March 15th....
Yeah March 15th that's what I heard from Mikey!
Although I also heard by the end of 2009 when the Pre was introduced.
Is Apple doing the right thing when they don't want to deal with Adobe?
I don't know who wrote the title to this article, but it makes very little sense. At first reading, I thought it meant that only Android would get Flash 10.1
same here
I agree Carter, I had to double take on it.
Soooo...my question for Adobe is this - WHEN?
WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN d@mnit!?
They first announced that the beta would be available in 09...and then missed it and started talking about a release version in the first half of 06. Way to go out on a limb Adobe! I am so tired of hitting websites that have Flash interfaces that I cannot use on my Pre.
They did a great job getting the 10.1 beta out for the PC, but this mobile beta is glacial. At this point, I am now pulling for HTML5 to get DRM worked out so it can kick Flash's ass.
i'm not exactly waiting with baited breath for flash but i'm at the point where i don't care about anything other then the words, "Flash plugin NOW available for download."
can someone please change the title of this article..i almost have an heart attack :(
Pixi is for people who already own an ipod touch. fyi. most people that i know that have an ipod touch prefer to buy the pixi so they don't have something clunky in their pockets. i like the baby phone look.
And to those who are wondering, it is possible that Palm is holding up the release.
I believe it will be released on March 11th, 12th, or 13th because that is when the Game Developers Conference is being held. Palm will be there showcasing the PDK and possibly even Flash (hello, GAME DEVELOPER CONFERENCE).
Most likely, Palm is holding the release to time it with the GDC, the same way they held off the 3D games until CES when they could announce to the world that they could have them.
On a partially related note, WebOS 1.4, which is capable of Flash, was ready for the carriers to test on February 14th, so they had it on February 15th. It took them 10 days to test/certify the update so Palm could release it (well, Sprint was ready by Feb. 23rd). Maybe Palm is testing/certifying the Adobe Flash plugin for WebOS so that it will be relatively bug free and quick. We all know that Palm has an alpha version, and that Adobe has the alpha version on Palm Pre devices.
i think that's a safe assumption. GDC would be a good time to introduce Flash games to the table.
Although I have learned not to assume about these things, this theory definitely makes sense.
The big difference is that everyone had not been waiting with all the screaming and yelling for 3D games that there is now for flash. No one knew 3D games were coming out at CES -- most did all they could to disprove NFS on the Pre. We have all seen flash on the Pre and can't wait to get our "palms" on it -- if Palm is deliberately holding it up to announce it at GDC, they will take it on the chin from people around these parts.
Yes, I am aware of this and I would be one who would be partially upset. But, as I pointed out, it is possible that they are testing it to be sure it will at least work partially with WebOS without killing the battery and without crashing the device.
The Pixi seems to be the redheaded step child, and that's not a good thing for Palm.
They need their devices to be getting BETTER each release, making upgrades, not downgrades.
I don't like the Pixi, and it's for the things it doesn't have or isn't allowed to have.
Not good.
How is this a downgrade? The Pixi hasn't lost any features at any point. It gained features with the Pixi plus and with 1.4. Last I looked, those are upgrades. It's not as though the Pixi had Flash and then had it taken away. Nobody ever demoed or claimed it would be on the Pixi.
When you buy the cheapo product in a line, you're simply not going to get all the features of the top of the line product.
The Pixi was presented as a simplified, less expensive sibling of the Pre, with many of the same features, but not an equal. If high tech companies can't offer lightened products, it removes the ability to create a "starter" product. Palm was pretty blunt that the Pixi was never to be a Pre with a new form factor.
.. and you all thought I was crazy :)
Haven't we known this for like 4 months?
Hold on...if the ARMv6 cpu is rated @ 600mhz for the Pixi, then what is the ARMv7 cpu rated @ for the Pre? Is the Pixi's ARMv6 core overclocked @ 600mhz or is that the max processing speed? I remember reading that the Pre has an ARMv7 capable of 1.5ghz speeds but that Palm regulated it due to poor battery consumption. Idk bout you but I'd prefer that 1ghz...and I'll just buy that bigger battery =)
Both the Pre and Pixi processors are capable of hitting 600 MHz by design. Both have been underclocked for battery life and stability reasons.
So is it safe to say that the TI cpu is not as grand as the Snapdragon cpus?
Ti SoC is different from snapdragon. Qualcomm's chip is based on cortex A8 but has a completely different design. I believe it is a much tweaked design that allows higher clock speeds and lower power consumption . The processor is called scorpian.
I may be wrong but I believe In Ti's design there are better DSPs to do the same thing that Scorpian does in snapdragon.
Overall because of higher speed snapdragon is a better performer than Ti's 600 MHz 3430.
BUTTT... the A8 is supposed to have the better GPU.
Perhaps this has something to do with the Pre getting the good 3D games before Android??
And the fact that the A8's 600 MHz processor is even _compared_ to the Snapdragon's 1 GHz processor is an accomplishment in itself.
I gave up after my update lol it'll come whenever.
I'm okay with Pixis not having Flash, even if the system could technically handle it. That and 3D gaming are both good differentiators between the devices.
I say this as a Pre owner, true, but I can see the argument from a marketing standpoint, too.
If Palm decides to eventually make a Treo Pro-like device then power users who really just prefer that format and can deal with either a smaller screen or a taller device will have their dream device. But that device is several devices away.
I disagree with your assessment. Palm did not market the differences between the Pre and Pixi clearly. The Pixi was marketed as a smaller sibling lacking wireless and with a keyboard designed for a younger population. It was always marketed as a WebOS device able to run WebOS software. It is only now that Pixi owners are learning about marketing's previously concealed plans. There are even mixed messages here; the Pixi is marketed towards younger users, but will not run teen targeted games.
I am a Pixi owner, but I really don't care about the games. Flash, however, would be handy. My personal problem with Palm's handling of the differences between the Pre and Pixi is that it makes it difficult for me to explain the capabilities to new potential owners.
By the way, to all those who disparage the Pixi as a crippled Pre, I would have gladly paid double for the better form factor and much better keyboard.
If they doesn't introduce Flash on the GDC. I think Flash might delay for couple months for a big release. New Flash player on all mobile platform like Android, webOS, WinMo 7...
just worry about it.
I personally think that the pixi, Palm's latest device (counting the plus as upgrades to the originals, and therefore not really separate new phones) it should be the FIRST To get flash, but that's just my opinion :/ if the processor can't handle it, then oh well. and pfft, if adobe REALLY felt like it, they coyld make pixi flash 10.1 whenever they pleased--the pixis lack of flash awesomeness is probably due to palm's lack in chago moolah cash money $$$ and stock drops (PALM).
Let's see...
The Pixi is a device below the Pre in many aspects, including the screen (irrelevant with regards to flash).
Now, the problem isn't Palm, but rather Adobe. Did you bother reading the article at all. Adobe is the company that makes Flash and Adobe is the company that has to devote bunches of cash to test out just the ARMv7 CPU and they don't feel like spending more money writing code just for ARMv6 (Pixi's processor architecture). Think about it this way: If all of the major devices are getting the newer processor and the low-end smartphones get the older processor, WHY would you spend millions on development time for the older processor. Moreover, WHY would you delay the release of Flash 10.1 for Mobile so you can release it for OLDER processors??
This is a smart development choice.
That's like saying that a next generation gameboy should have more capabilities than a Wii just because it's newer.
The Pixi wasn't designed t be a next generation device, it was designed as a lesser device, fewer features, lower price point.
I hope it will be on Bell... Before World Cup starts... Or I will be one angry man
Ohhh, my brother. You are setting yourself up.. Could Flash bring live play or even some radio to the Pre? Or is that another perk of living in Canada? Damn Socialists get all the World Cup online without having to subscribe to ESPN, say nothing of health care.. and hockey gold and like, really clean cities, and CBCradio3, and As It Happens..
you flash addicts seem like crackheads... watching you all is fun and slightly annoying at the same time.
i think most people on this thread are total pre junkies now like me.. also a lot of technology junkies who always need the latest and greatest (totally not me i swear... update update update. lol)
If you dangle flash as a carrot above our heads long enough we are gonna go nuts. lol. I for one am still having fun with all the nifty updates and the new UI upgrades from 1.4 loving how smooth the card system is now.
ok. Lets face it. Adobe won't have it out till july. All the people who keep defending Adobe and Palm can suck it. We as the consumer have a right to be mad when a feature is put out there WAY before it's available and then we buy the phone waiting, only to have the phone outdated before the features catch up. I'm tired of all the talk about palm never said this and adobe never said that... They never should have said ANYTHING unless they were ready. Give the angry consumers a break people!
I believe in the devolpers of webos more then in adobe question is it possible for our awesome developers to just make our own flash app and forget adobe... Pls developers could you please please make a flash app I know you guys can get the job done?
Please don't flame me as I love WebOS and my Pre, but what part of the title of this post: "Adobe declares that only ARMv7 *ANDROID* devices getting Flash 10.1...." says the Palm Pre is getting Flash?
To me it sound like Adobe could care less about Palm and WebOS. I really hope that is not the case since I REALLY want WebOS to gain market share especially since Apple is after HTC for copyright infringements.
I love WebOS, but wish it could be less laggy. I sure hope Palm will introduce a new phone with a faster processor to eliminate the lag and let users have a better phone experience compared to Android or the iPhone. If they can do it via an OS update that would be fantastic. WebOS 1.4.0 only seems like it's faster (no hard evidence to back this up) with intermittent loading cards to make it seem like it's less laggy.
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Those who bought a Pixi because they wanted the form factor (non-slider design)must be really, really pissed by now. Palm continues to drive away its customers. Had they made clear from day 1 the Pixi was a dead-end in terms of features, it would be one thing, but they didn't.
I have to guess at least half of those who bought the Pixi will never, ever, consider another phone from Palm. This is not a forumla for success.
I'm sorry but my understanding of the Pixi was that it was a lower end model of the Pre and that it would be limited to features and specs. Meaning it did not meet up to the Pre so obviously some of the features the Pre offers cannot be accommodated by the Pixi. Why would they release a cheaper phone with the same specs and same features? Do your research...
For the better form factor, that's why.
i will never buy another palm product again. they can not get there heads out of there rears and figure out that people need a good reliable product. not something that is out, new, and then dead in just a few months. i am very very unhappy with the palm pixi as i was told that it had all sorts of cool features. i looked it up on the palm sight and they said it would do everything that i wanted it to do. then i buy it only to find out i am stuck with something that cant even run a toaster. thanks palm so very much for another us less product. please if you cant get it right then just stop making products that can not deliver on what you promise. wifi i can deal with out but blue tooth i have to have and you cant even get that right. maybe apple is better.
^the pixi is a well designed small smartphone. And all this Adobe stuff is not even worth the hazzle. Forget about flash. HTML5 and V8 will be the standard. Flash indeed is buggy and a ressource hog. Why would you want that on a phone? It's a phone after all. Stop whining and take a look around, check out all the other systems and decide what is best for you.
For me it's palm.