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Android 4.0.4-powered HP "Bender" device shows up in benchmark logs *sigh* 70

by Derek Kessler Fri, 14 Sep 2012 8:44 pm EDT

Android 4.0.4-powered HP

Just this morning HP CEO Meg Whitman's statement about how HP "will ultimately have to offer a smartphone" started making the rounds. Unsurprisingly, that sort of promlamation was sure to get the tech sphere talking, and it kicked up a good amount of dust here on webOS Nation. The general consensus: HP already has what they need to make a good smartphone, and that is webOS.

Alas, we concluded right away that a new HP smartphone running webOS was less likely than getting CrackBerry Kevin to stay off of BlackBerry devices for longer than a day - it's just not going to happen. So what seemed most likely? Given HP's long and profitable relationship with Microsoft, Windows Phone 8 seemed to be the logical choice. Turns out there's a chance we were wrong with that call, and we're both surprised to learn it and stunned it happened so quickly. Almost too qickly, if you ask us.

Whitman's statement yesterday resulted today in the publishing of a GLBenchmark log containing a 'bender' device manufactured by none other than 'hp' and running Android 4.0.4. Color us surprised, and skeptical. Not surprised so much that HP's got a new smartphone in development, but that it's running Android. This HP Bender (we're assuming a codename, though Bender could make for an awesomely fun device name) has a 1.5GHz Qualcomm MSM8960 processor, one of Qualcomm's dual core Snapdragon S4 chips. The Bender also has a 1366x720 display, a bit taller than what would be required for a '720p HD' display, and likely in the 4+ inch category, though hopefully not much bigger than that. 1366x720 is an odd resolution for a smartphone though, we've seen it in some Android-powered tablets recently, but most smartphones these days top out at 1280x720. 17:9 is a weirdly tall aspect ratio.

Of course, it's possible that somebody could have faked these results into the logs - it wouldn't take much effort or time to do so. Given Whitman's statements on HP and smartphones, such trickery wouldn't come as a total shock, and the timing is suspect to say the last. But replaying the interview, we couldn't help but noticed how well rehearsed, nuanced, and thorough Whitman's statement was on HP smartphones. It's like she expected to be asked about smartphones, almost as if the HP CEO had purposefully seeded the idea in her Fox Business interviewer's thoughts during the preceding commercial break. Sure, Whitman's both a politician (though not successful) and high-powered CEO, but these sort of interviews aren't exactly the no-holds-barred type either. Maybe we're reading too much into it - we are desperate for news, after all.

HP did recently form a new Mobility Global Business Unit under the Printing and Personal Systems division to tackle exactly this sort of project. They're already working on the next generation of Windows 8 tablets for HP, and if HP were to be working on a smartphone, the Mobility GBU is where we'd expect it to happen. After all, the webOS GBU doesn't have any hardware engineers, they sure couldn't develop a new smartphone or tablet, even if they wanted to.

Is the HP Bender a real device (again, this wouldn't be difficult to fact, and the timing is suspect), due to hit shelves sometime in the not-so-distant future? Hard to say, really, but if Meg Whitman wants HP to make smartphones, then there's not much that's going to stop her.

Source: SlashGear


"statement yesterday today resulted"

Is yesterday today part of that Saturlunian calendar?

Poorly worded, my bad. "Whitman's statement yesterday resulted today..."

And no, yesterday today is not part of the Saturlunian calendar. But tomorrow month is.


what you didn't totally understand "yesterday today?" lol What's a matter with you? lol. I shall call that Kessler speak.

It is sad that HP is thinking of making a smartphone and they are more than likely not going to use Open webOS

you are ****** kidding me.

All I can say and hope is that they admitted to using Android for testing of the TouchPad because webOS wasn't ready yet. Maybe it is the same here!

That's the first thing I thought about - and I still think that it could either be a webOS- oder W8-device but for sure not a Android-device after all.

Is it OK if I call this thing the "HP Ostap Bender?"

The whole knife twisting element of this aside.. Seems to me that the 86 pixel different could be about right if you wanted to do onscreen soft keys and/or notifications that didn't take real estate from apps designed for a 16:9 screen.

Extra pixels could do the softkeys like on the G-Nex. Or the pop-up notifications on WebOS. Wishful thinking, bettin the softkeys are the answer.

If HTC have sense and Sammy have touchwiz could HP not skin it with webos or some sort of webos launcher?

I am not a dev and I don't know if its possible but webos and android are both based on Linux,so they must have a certain amount of compatibility!

Possible. Android is a Linux variant, so it would be possible to rewrite some of WebOS's underpinnings to run on top of that kernel and use it's drivers. Case in point is the sysmanager running on Ubuntu. Likely? Probably not, however it would make an avenue for card-switching Android apps, and overcome the neglected WebOS app catalog. Most likely a lot of work.

Just stipulation but wow what a kick in the other OS's butt if google and HP were to collaborate and cross license platforms...all the best from webos and android in one!

Does it bare thinking about?


Is it likely a possibility???


Ah well maybe I was getting carried away lol!

In a way, Google already has some of the best of webOS. They hired the man responsible for things like the webOS notification system. You can certainly see some of his influence in the new notifications in Jellybean.

Uhm, no, since Android is purely Java and webOS is not at all. Nor does Android make use of web technologies in its core UI architecture. Again, it's all Java, and JavaScript (which webOS uses) has zero relation to Java at all. In fact, the similarity between the two names has been a running joke in web development for 14 years now.
So, no, it's not exactly "possible" as you say it is. In order to claim it, you need to at least understand the architectures each employ to carry out its functions. running Windows apps on Linux is also therefore impossible, as they have different API's, and the Wine project does not exist. I've been a programmer of both low level embedded systems and web technologies such as JavaScript for 13 years now. The simple fact is you seem to know as much about what's underneath the java and JavaScript differences as governments know about efficiency. The WebOS UI could run on the Android Kernel. A lot of work would be required within WebOS, but since the SYSTEM is primarily C, the java system in Android could be made to see the cards as a display (it's called abstraction, it's all the rage these days), giving the UI freedom to card swap them without any adjustments to the apps. Spare me your uneducated nay-saying outbursts. C programs run on WebOS. So why couldn't Java programs?

THANK YOU for jumping in on that one, Tony. You are quite correct.

Has Dignitary ever contributed a single useful comment on this site yet? Commenters who confidently put out info that is flatly wrong, but do so like they're an authority, are arguably worse than trolls (or is that actually trolling in itself?).

oh yeah, and beside that, given the lawsuit hurricane around Android because of its, wait for it, user interface, HP would be stupid to use it and not infuse a lot of their own pile of patents into it as protection. While I don't really expect HP to act intelligently in this matter, and your dismissal of the possibility, as a free standing statement, is valid, your basis for that statement is absolutely flawed at the most fundamental level, the confusion between user space and system space. Both systems are primarily C, and provide a Java or JavaScript application programming interface to the developer. You can run both.


Well said again.

Don't be panic. Stay tuned at HP announcement on Oct 3rd. They will eventually do something about webOS.

Another thing I noticed is that HP posted several job openings at Palm GBU - a hardware division under PC group. Search keyword "Palm GBU" at HP job site:

It shows 3 openings related to smartphone and tablet testing using cloud service.

Cloud Services CQ Senior Engineer (Palm GBU)-1029149
Cloud Services CQ Automation Engineer (Palm GBU)-1026925
Cloud Services CQ Architect (Palm GBU)-1029148

Maybe those 86 pixels are for a gesture area :)

I can not wait, why we have to suffer this??

I love WebOS so much.

Android provides a relatively quick path to profitability when it comes to smartphones, whereas Windows Phone hasn't and currently doesn't. When you're diving into supporting an OS with greater than 60% market share worldwide, you can seize a slice of the profits even if you're not the top dog.
Makes sense for HP to go with Android for phones and Windows 8 for tablets. Can't blame them for playing the field where it benefits them most, nor can I blame them for passing webOS up one bit.
The active commercial webOS app developer count is less than a couple of dozen (if that; I challenge you to name them all--and cite some proof) and Open webOS isn't even close to device ready. Hell, Open webOS can't even run many of the apps available for the legacy 1.x/2.x/3.x versions as it stands today. There's zero ecosystem, much less it being comparable to anything Android, iOS, Microsoft, or even Amazon provide. Zilch.
webOS as a commercially-viable operating system for mobile devices is dead; it's going to take a considerable amount of time and money to modernize it, and plenty more to get developers interested and retail devices using it. Without any of those at present, the chances of HP throwing its immediate support behind it are essentially nil.
Every day, webOS is looking more and more like this generation's BeOS, which ironically got sold to Palm who then left it to wither away without ever reaching true commercial relevance--not unlike what's become of HP and webOS.

also there's isn't a thing preventing them from making both windows and android phones. possibly just one windows to test the market.

I think reports came out that most Android smartphone makers are losing money. There's Samsung making a lot of money and HTC at around breaking even.

No one said that Open webOS-apps won't run on legacy webOS devices.

Agree completely.

would love to see webOS phone and tablets, HP tried to sell it to other OEMs to differentiate them in the market, none were interested, and now with apple suing android makers, you think they would also want to differentiate, WebOS is a lot more know now after the fire sale than before. Also android could just be prototype for testing new hardware, even the touchpad had a android by HP for testing.

I'm tired. Just gonna buy another pre2 and chill

I was wondering if there are some similarities between Android and webOS, HP was just testing some kind of protoype. It happened before with the TouchPad that someone received with Android in.

I don`t think HP is not smart enough to launch a dual core device when most of the actual demanded devices have a quad-core cpu, iPhone 5, Samsung Galaxy S3, and every other OEM is going that way.

not all quad core proccesors are more powerful than dual core proccesors .

That is true,However the common consumer doesn`t know about it.

The A6 in the iPhone 5 is reportedly only a dual-core processor.

It is a combined chip dual core and quad core for graphics

Wouldn't the 1366x720 be counting the 90 or so pixels for soft keys?

Like the GNexus that has a 720 screen but only in games or videos do you truly get the entire resolution since the onscreen "Home, Back, Menu/Switch" are hidden.

Would a webOS skin of some sort be such a bad idea? is it wishful thinking That hp or some creative and innovative developers out there could figure a way to hybridize the 2 operating systems? Best of both worlds. Is that even possible? Somebody school me. Because I really want to know.

i wondered the exact same thing. i know zero about code and that stuff so it's all fantasy to me but i imagined that if android was free to mess around with couldn't someone take a version and basically take it and make a os that basically has a cloned webos user interface. so underneath it's android but looks and and works like webos. that is the menus are rearranged, add cards etc.

Could it be posible are a webos phone running benchmark android app?

"We have to get it right this time..." --- they 'almost' had it right last time.

The TouchPad (WebOS 3) is much more refined than that of the Pre.
A few more refinements like that, on similar hardware, but sized down to a phone - and WebOS would have made some serious competition.

The Pre (and even Pre 2) were not powerful enough to show off WebOS.
The TouchPad shows off WebOS remarkably well.

Partner OpenWebOS on some great hardware, with some top of the line specifications, it could win. Pricing would have to fall between the iPhone at the top, and last years Android at the bottom.

Add in things that iPhone doesn't have ... (NFC, WiDi, DNLA, Beats Audio) and some kind of integration with HP systems (or more) ... and maybe include something like the Ubuntu for Android concept - turn the phone into a PC and NOW you have something that builds a desire if you're already an HP hardware customer and a built in WOW factor.
Now you desire the product not for a "high resolution display or "crystal lens" on the camera - but because of FUNCTIONS, actual innovations and things you can USE not just "see"... 8MP and 3MP cameras, dual or quad CPU, Lots of RAM, removable batteries, standard connections, (include a USB to printer connection, not just charge/Sync.)

THEN you have a community that's able to "hack" or "tweak" the device openly.
Maybe HP should embrace a homebrew type community - the others haven't, but this may be an extra 'edge' especially when using an Open Web OS as a testbed.

Why WebOS instead of Windows Phone 8?
There are already developers in the WebOS nation, and an existing Marketplace for apps.
There's an existing inventory of applications and it's not like starting over - Phone 8 is unproven at this point. I'd re-equip my whole family with WebOS phones given the chance - and with great hardware.

Why WebOS instead of Android?
1. To be different than Samsung, HTC, LG, Sony and the plethora of other market flooded Android devices.
2. Turns the 'investment' of Palm back into an asset and not a loss.
3. Litigation protection. The Palm intellectual property might be a good stronghold against the Apple litigate not innovate mentality, since I would think there's a patent portfolio that's usable. Plus - Android/Google are in the target sights of Apple - why join that mix when you have your own working, powerful, and FUN mobile OS?

So --- maybe like me you think it's a great idea.
Let's make the arguments, and not just poo-poo the idea.
Remember Meg is a bright woman. I hope she's a fan of WebOS.
Someone send Meg a TouchPad and a Pre.

Suppose they come out with another WebOS phone and it's a huge failure? They'd kill it off forever after that, for sure. People had better be careful what they wish for.

damn IDIOTS! openWebOS is right HERE for the taking !!!

HP so much reminds me of Commodore when they didn't realize what they had in the Amiga platform ..SIGH

If HP did come out with a webOS phone (cold day in hell) would they support it for 60 days before they pulled the plug? I don't think I could trust them as bad as I want webOS in my pocket.

depends how much they invested and honestly it would have to sell well. unless they invested a shit ton they arent taking losses. this is a company thats been laying people off for 4 years. they are not financially strong enough to sustain losses.

There are 2 sides to the webOS equation .... .....

The Pessimistic side & the Optimistic side. Which one is the realist side, is still to be determined ... although the Pessimist has strong standing at this time.

The Pessimistic side sees at best - a "niche" operating system. Not much else can be said about this cheerful crowd.

The Optimistic side sees potential, and hopes HP can recognize webOS as such. Despite Derek & myself & many others shaking their heads, this Optimistic crowd counts many factors amongst one's thinking:

1) HP is a big ****** company that SHOULD be in the mobile phone business. Why they aren't - is just complete stupidity. They have been one of the dominant players in the field of computers & related products. Smartphones & tablets are definitely related. Choosing to play in the Android field, will simply make HP one of the Gang, drifting with the whims of another technological giant - Google. That persona will be no different with the Windows option. For HP, they have - within their grasp - an OS that could soar above the others, with strong backing - aka "Money". They have these resources, even if the HP Board is squeamish on spending any of those resources. As they say, if you wanna play in the Big Leagues, you gotta be prepared to spend like the Big League teams do.

2) HP has a number of discontinued hardware products, that should/could provide the basis for future products. To go along with a number of patents - that in this world of litigation - should have some value to HP going forward.

3) HP has the added luxury of a talented core of webOS "fanatics", who've been very influential in improving an operating system that has many fans - even if the "current" users number much less. Read a number of tech blogs, and even though many seem resigned to webOS disappearing, they still marvel at how good the OS was. And how good it could have been. An Optimist would ask ..... " then why can't it be? "

4) Part of why some suggest HP doesn't have the stomach - right now - to tackle a webOS system & hardware, is that HP is experiencing less profitability in desktop & laptop systems, along with the concerns towards its' printer business. I keep hearing that HP will be affected by society going paper-less, the argument being that its' ink business will suffer, and as such, the strength of the company will suffer along with it. I'm not sure where these "technology" soothsayers derive their predictions of a "paperless office" , but one only has to google "computers and paper" to determine the real facts. I know from an empirical perspective, I use way more paper these days.

Computers & Paper Consumption

Despite how frustrating this process has been, I still count myself as one of the Optimists - the reason being, is that my logical side keeps repeating that HP has been #1, and owns an OS that could certainly become #1 if the financial clout of HP was used properly. Not today, nor in the near future - but as we know, things change rapidly in the technology world.


What's Promlamation? Derek, did you not get to go to your High School Prom and are now Lamenting about it? Basic spell check and proof reading would be welcome for a change.

He probably raging about an HP phone with nice specs not running webOS. I know when I'm raging I can't spell.

Perhaps there is new hardware, and Android is only being used for testing. Then it will have webOs put onto it. Remember those touchpads that shipped with android on them?

The ARM version of Open webOS Beta does not have a working Luna, and as the Palm GBU and the Mobility GBU are two separated entities, I think that it's just a test image.

But of course this does not mean it will run (Open) webOS... maybe they are testing the hardware before talking to microsoft for Windows Phone 8... ;)

Personally I can't see HP as an Android phone maker. I think WP8 is the right choice as they already have a Windows 8 tablet.


Whichever OS they choose to ship, surely they will have the leverage to release Linux drivers and use the device as a development platform for Open WebOS? It would make sense, from a stand-point of efficiencies, to offer reference devices based on other HP products. No?

+1 That idea sounds ingenious.

Maybe someone with more business sense will disagree, but to offer an Android phone that sells enough to pay for R&D costs and manufacturing. But also open up the drivers so webOS Internals or some other webOS developers could get Open webOS installed on it. That would help HP maintain a use for Open webOS and allow us to have new modern hardware to run our favorite OS on. Combine that with Open Mobile and you have a fully-capable, app-supported phone.

Omfg! HP is on of the most uninnovative company ever! They have gold in their hands but they rather play with sh*t! How can they not invest in something that could possibly be one of the most valuable OS in the market! HP is scared of challenges! They rather wait for others to come up with an idea so HP can steal it!

WebOS is OK. What makes it competitive?

Apple is not waging scorched earth warfare against webOS for starters...

If HP decided they were going to make a mobile device with WebOS, it's doubtful they would let go of most of the staff, have interns building Open WebOS and release it as open source.

Anything is possible, but that doesn't sound like a winning way to go with the perception of WebOS out there in corporate land.

I guess I missed the scorched earth policy on companies that don't downright copy them.

kinda hard to sue hp for stealing their phone design when HP isn't selling any phones too.

I just want to know where to get the colored case for the Pre 3 shown in the picture for this article.

If they had released something with these specs instead of the Veer, webOS would still be alive.

I really don't think the Veer is responsible for the fall of webOS. HP and the carriers are.

I made it a mission to get a Pre 3 at the beginning of this year and finally did. I find myself going back to the Veer more often that not. It's a wonderful little phone and I'm glad HP got the Veer past carrier deadlines and their own internal BS for release.

What's so wrong with the Veer? It's very capable.

HP will not have the problems other OEM have, because they owns all the WebOS and Palm patents. So an Android phone with a WebOS UI is very likely. Just think about it; a phone and tablet with Google's ecosystem and a deeply intergrated WebOS UI. When HP goes to carriers to market this device it will be an Android device with a unique UI, not a WebOS device with no ecosystem using an OS that have failed before.

If this is a new phone, let' just hope the new Linux kernal that Open webOS is based on can run on it. Then the fun begins for webOSinternals!

If there is a new device I don't see a problem for HP to run Open webOS and Android on it.
Basically it's a Linux OS for both so only the services (to drivers/hardware) plus GUI are different.
So maybe the new device can run both plus even MS Phone 8.

Creating new hardware (phone or tablet) and not having the possibility to run Open webOS on it would be stupid. Then they could have thrown webOS and Enyo right into the next trash-bin....which would have been cheaper.

I don't really understand these things, but it seems to me we're all still receiving HP's maintenance and support of WebOS on all existing devices. They all back-up at night, can "restore" to the same or different hardware, and can still buy and restore apps and such. This must be a money drain for HP. At some point (when?) they'll want to stop unless something dramatic changes pretty quickly. It seems to me either someone else will have to pay them to continue, they'll need new devices themselves, or they'll just drop it all. (Do I misunderstand this?) Does this community have the resources and an agreement with HP to take all this over at some point? Also, how does all this work for Open WebOS variants? It seems to me this is key to whether WebOS can stay alive at all, even on existing devices.

"this wouldn't be difficult to fact"

fake, Derek, typo note!

HP should use WebOs in their smartphone
it is the best OS for mobile devices
I much prefer using my Veer to my Galaxy S III
the Veer handles core smartphone functions better, has much better battery life & there is just no substitute for a real keyboard
Android seems crude compared to WebOs
stop knocking Derek for the typos
his enthusiasm for WebOs is evident & such news difficult
I cannot understand why HP is so blind

I want that Bender wallpaper please!

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is it possible that with WebOS going open source, that HP & Google have talked and in a sense,combined the two? I read up on Key Lime Pie,Android 4.2, and it is suppose to be set up way different... Doubtful, but who knows?