App Selection Grows to Over 2000 For US Pre Owners 70
by Robert Werlinger Wed, 24 Feb 2010 2:42 pm EST
It’s official – there are over 2000 applications (not including the multitude of patches and tweaks) available to US Pre and Pre Plus owners, and just under that number for Pixi owners. How’s that possible, you ask, when the App Catalog only reports about 1600 available apps?
Here’s how it works: Palm has a unique application distribution program that allows developers to distribute their apps in three different ways – The on-device App Catalog, the web-only feed, and the beta feed. Combine that with the multitude of applications available from third party repositories such as the PreCentral homebrew gallery, and the options quickly balloon to over 2,000.
Here’s how it breaks down: as of this writing, the official on-device App Catalog has 1623 apps (counting all apps in all regions), Web Distribution has 145 apps, Beta distribution has 61 apps, and the homebrew gallery has 443. Using my trusty calculator, I come to 2,272 available applications after adding those four numbers together. While these distribution methods seem somewhat fragmented, you can access all of them from programs like Preware and from galleries such as PreCentral's very own App Gallery.
Sure, 2000 apps is a drop in the bucket for companies who pull 5,000 applications out of their App Store in one fell swoop based on what are arbitrary double standards, but it represents solid momentum for Palm who has added over 600 applications in the last 2 months.
And hang in there, international webOS users. We have heard your frustrations about not having access to everything we do here in the States, but remember: Paid apps should be available everywhere the Pre is sold sometime next month.
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Preware and the homebrew community are the best reasons to get a Pre!
I just hope they can keep up the momentum. It would be nice to be able to compare with my iphone and droid friends.
this is good. people want apps. more apps more sales. very surprising because just on news years there were only a 1000 so 600 in just under two full months is awesome.
no doubt...apps are growing like crazy! And lots of great ones out there!!! We have had fun watching them flow in at myAppBox http://www.myappbox.com
I remember when we had only like 39 apps in the official catalog. Aw -tear-
lol I know, webOS is growing up so fast, launch day seems just like yesterday
can't wait to see what the # will be in a few months
...things will just get better over time. This week: (1) webOS 1.4 update w/ all its goodies, (2) Flash Beta in App Catelog...hopefully. In March: (1) Palm's Euro owners finally get paid apps being available to them, (2) Palm's 1hr development session @ GDC - where hopefully they'll shed light on the C40 or other webOS device to hit by this summer, (3) Palm's PDK finally goes live and public. In April: A boat load of apps. In May: At&t gets 2 webOS devices...followed shortly by Tmobile. And the list goes on. Just because Palm is "quiet" at the moment doesn't mean its done fighting. I'm betting they're working on some major things. I'm stoked!!!
just read that Sprint announced a 4G phone for it's 4G network in first half of 2010. See excerpt below from Zacks analyst Blog.
Sprint Nextel (NYSE: S) continues to lead the 4G hoopla in the US as the third largest wireless carrier has revealed its plan to unveil its first 4G smartphone during first-half 2010, months ahead of market expectations. As such, the prolonged wait for a 4G handset is likely to culminate in the summer of 2010.
The dual-mode (3G/4G capable) smartphone, rumored to be "HTC Supersonic", is expected to run on Google's (Nasdaq: GOOG) Android platform. The device, which is likely to feature a 4.3-inch touchscreen display and 1 gigabertz (GHz) Snapdragon processor, will be targeted at enterprise and government markets besides consumers. It will be the first 4G compatible phone in the US.
SORRY FOR BEING OFF TOPIC BUT I NEED HELP: ...I keep getting the "application updates are now available" after running Update, but when it gives me the list of my apps - there aren't none that have updates! What is going on here? I've even deleted all apps from App Catelog...kept VisualBoyAdvance and Preware...yet it still does the same thing =/
I really hope unofficial countries too, there are a lot of us, and I really want to stop using my Ipod touch! With more people buying apps, more developers create apps, more devices are sold, It's simple palm, show us some love!
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140+ are from Brighthouse labs.... That brings the number down to 2,132
Many from Dijit too, they shouldn't count either.
If crap apps count towards the iPhone's total (and they do!) they should count towards ours too.
Keep it up palm. keep it up devs.
As long as pre users in unofficial territories get paid apps too. I don't know how much longer I can hold out, even if I have to pay in
".....everywhere the Pre is sold sometime next month"....this actually is not such good news for all the Pre owners that will still own the phone in countries where it is not officially sold....
i wonder why this "everywhere the Pre is sold sometime next month" is such good news, when apparently it leaves out all the countries where the Pre can be used, but is not sold....
hopefully it's not like this, and we will all have access to the full app catalog (apart from localized apps in case) from wherever we are, not just in compatible places and with compatible simcards...
It's more quantity then quality.
And as I just implied elsewhere in this thread, the situation differs with that of the iPhone how exactly???
Hang in there Palm!
nice
Man Precentral you all have to quit putting up grey screen shots with the black border up...your killing me! I keep getting happy that 1.4 has hit and then I actually read the article title! lol
Go Palm!
How about a line graph?
Nice for you guys. Here in Germany we are being treated like second class citizens...At least Apple made Apps EVERYWHERE at the same time available...Microsoft also....Google also...
Palm, if you listen, please do sth about it ASAP...
Nothing to do with Palm.
The developers decide. And most of them disable the countries where English is a second language.
Thus, they have less support inquiries. Plus, Germans cannot as of yet pay for the apps (at least not va the Palm AppCat) - so developers think they shouldn't bother.
But may I speak up here:
WEBOS DEVELOPERS, please include Germany (and Europe in general) in your "where available" selection. As of this writing, there are roughly 250 Apps in the German AppCat, this is just pathetic (and one of the reasons why the pre does not appeal to enough people, which in turn hurts the whole palm ecosystem)
I really hope unofficial countries too, there are a lot of us, and I really want to stop using my Ipod touch! With more people buying apps, more developers create apps, more devices are sold, It's simple palm, show us some love!
eh we finally got epocrates. It already has close to seven thousand downloads. Now that medical professionals can use a palm again maybe sales will pick up?
Yes, a couple of key apps and certain sectors will grow. Palm pdas was the original medical app leader then windows mobile took over, then Iphone came on the scene and dominates currently. Blackberry has some med apps but I find them unintuitive and unappealing. Lots of medical people remember palm's name. With a couple of more name brand apps, the Pre and future webos devices will be a viable choice.
you know what would be nice? some apps that are actually useful. not just games, fart noises and radio stations. dont get me wrong some of it is nice to have here and there. how about some things that will come in handy on a daily basis, that will make life a little easier, isnt this the idea behind a smartphone?
yep, 2000 apps of crap doesn't thrill me much.
Lot more useful apps in homebrew than in the actual catalog IMO.
"And hang in there, international webOS users. We have heard your frustrations about not having access to everything we do here in the States, but remember: Paid apps should be available everywhere the Pre is sold sometime next month."
Well I have to say it'd be nice if the FREE apps were available to us over in the UK (and other international) too.
Frankly, the situation at the moment is quite ridiculous.
Paid apps is all well and good, but I think an awful lot of people will have abandoned Palm by the time decent access to applications - free, or otherwise, is available.
And before the fan boys start responding - give it a break. We pay just as much as our American counterparts, if not more in some instances. We deserve the same level of access as everyone else. When those of us NOT in the U.S are complaining, our complaints ARE valid, regardless of what you lot think.
Your complaints are valid. Frankly there is no reason to purchase a webos phone without apps. Why Palm didn't or couldn't open up the app store for Europe sooner is a mystery to me. More apps = more users = more developers and so on. But it's almost march and the catalog should be open to Europe very soon.
I guess you wouldn't remember that we in the US didn't get paid apps for 4 months (June-October) and nothing really good was in there for months after that. I didn't mind and I didn't complain.
You guys also wait 4 months (November-March) and then you get hundreds of good apps. Not to mention all of the free and homebrew apps you had to choose from while you are waiting.
We have been there and we have had to wait. Nobody is picking on Europe. It just takes time to get things set up.
I'll second that... QUALITY versus quantity (there's so much JUNK on that OTHER app store... all i do is FIND what I want and ignore the rest...
correct me if i am wrong, but the phone has not even been for sale for a year yet......
steady as she goes, (with quality apps), wins the race....
I agree 2000 wow what a big number. And that's all it is a big number of less then acceptable apps flooding our app catalog and annoying alot of consumers. everyday I wake up and look at the dispicable selection and I read post like this and there all happy about 2000 apps. What happen to caring about quality. What is the point in spending time on stupid usless apps that majority of the world won't ever use and having palm do nothing about it and let these dumb apps in the catalog so they can say ya ya ya we have 2000 app were cool come by a webos device were loaded with dumb crap for you to waste 6 hours searching through to only find that the only worthy apps to download come from gameloft which is only a few or something to that effect.
Attention PreCentral maintainers: Can you please institute some kind of "hide whiny posts" option? I'd sorely like to turn it on right now.
Oh dear. I feel so sorry for you.
Having to read the opinions of people that don't happen to agree with you must be so painful.
The irony is that you yourself have just whined.
or you could just throw ur internet device possibly a pc out the window cause know one cares that you would sorely like to turn anything on. There's this sweet thing that totally tote ma goat cooll as hell and it's called you'll be alright. Or we can just turn on the waste of internet space which would be anything you post - off. Wouldn't that be nice. Or you not whine about the whiny post and shut up so you can play on ur pre with ur sweet 2000 apps. Or you could find a near by farm and sodomize everything that walks. Ur choice. Meow sweetheart you'll be alright
First off, you're really annoying.
Second, don't expect developers to write more apps when you're calling their current stuff crap. They are doing the best they can without the PDK. Gameloft has good stuff (graphics) because they were selected with EAGames and others to try out the beta pdk. If you could be patient, the pdk will be released in March and you can see more apps that you approve of.
Don't feel sorry for me, I'm quite happy. Nor do I mind other folk's opinions. But it gets a little tiresome when every bit of good news about the Pre is met with the inevitable chorus of "yeah, but it's still not an iPhone|Droid|Centro|Tricorder." WebOS has not even been out a year yet, and the progress has been remarkable. In my estimation. Maybe not in yours. Guess I'm just a "glass half full" kinda guy.
^^ reply intended for tazandpig's comment above; sorry.
Thanks for replying back to me. I appreciate it, honestly.
I know exactly what you mean. I too get tired of the 'whiny' posts. But I also accept that there are people with genuine concerns out there. Me included.
But I get even more tired when I'm labelled as 'whiny' for the concerns that I have. They are REAL concerns, despite what anyone else may think - we've all paid a lot of money for this phone (in one way or another) and have - for the most part - discovered it's limitations and/or omissions after the fact.
I agree that some of the whining is petty. But there's an awful lot of serious complaint out there too - most of which some people just won't admit.
I don't think we're so far apart on this, really. I certainly have my own issues with the Pre (still no simple recording app for a quick voice memo? No built-in way to sync tasks or memos? Really??) But I do think the post I initially responded to was, yes, whiny. Complaining about the "dispicable [sic] selection" and saying the only good apps come from Gameloft. Things just aren't that bad, and they're getting better all the time. Is it so hard to look on the bright side? But that response is really directed to the original poster, not you. I respect your serious complaints and hope Palm addresses them, along with mine, soon!
Thanks for the intelligent reply.
A few more on here could learn from you.
:o)
ok. My preware says there is only like 47 app cat apps and a total of 2000ish packages. help! I also have another problem I ran epr and it frove my phone. go to my fourm if you can help me with that and reply to help me with my preware problem. Im very tech savy but today is just not my day
what were we talking about? sorry i got distracted calculating tips and reading Katharine Hepburn quotes.
Re: "Paid apps should be available everywhere the Pre is sold sometime next month."
Is that just for Europe, or does it include us in Canada, too? Also, any rumours about when Bell Canada will roll out 1.4 for us?
Thanks...
I second that! Does "everywhere the Pre is sold" include Canada? Anyone have any news on this?
Being a release pre owner, I was so excited to be apart of this amazing new OS. But being stuck in Canada has really started to put me off Palm. Their lack of support for other regions is really starting to hurt. Always hearing about how great the new games are, while we have "webOS says" or solitaire.
Just saying that palm needs to get their act in gear and starting get their app store out of beta for the rest of the world!
it's true we hear about all these great games etc but we can't pay/download them yet. Please Palm hurry up and do something good otherwise you'll be left way behind which will be bad to see
CRITICAL MASS
It looks liek we are hitting CRITICAL MASS. By that I mean, many app firms waited on the sidelines to see if the Pre woudl catch on. Now it has, once there were enough brave app writers who were the 1st to write, the others all stated coming abord, as me too's.
Now that we are hitting critical mass, see how much faster the total # of apps is growing??? By the time I am eligable for a Pre, this October, I think there will be over 3,500 to 4,000 apps.
When the total # of apps is high enough, people start taking a phone or a line of phones seriously.
Keep in mind, that I am sure there will be a follow up to the Pre on Sprint a Pre 2 so to speak.
I am sure that will greatly extend battery life,(or have a larger battery), improve both the keyboard and oreo issues. I am sure that voice dialing will also appear, just as I am sure there will be a dragon naturally speaking for the Pre 2 or Pre II. As well as removeable memory and a better way of dealing with Itunes.
By that time, I am sure we will be seeing not just video recording, we will see improvements on it.
Not that I will use it, I would think there will also be the make your own hot spot with a Pre 2 on Sprint.
So sorry due to my contract, that I could not join you all in the first wave of Pre users. However, both Sprint and V are both making it far easier to get a one year deal, with a new phone after only 1 year!
Do think by October the Pre will know how to drive my car, so I can live the life of the rich and famous, while I relax with the pre doing all of the driving? LOL!
webos 1.4 less than two hours away???
Dream on.
haha i know right... they probably meant feb 2011
Don't we all,will like that?! By than, yes..the Pre will have such numbers,or be closer to that.Palm is pumping these apps fast,by next month@GDC, palm will finally opened the PDk to everyone,& the flow of apps will follow. Now,where is my 1.4? I need that HD video recording,with Zoom, &LED light that swithes on,in place for better lighting.Wow,palm,please...tomorrow. I got vacation coming up.
it's here it's here it's hee!!!!!! Not a joke. Hit update, got message 1.3.5.1 is here...hoping they mean 1.4. It's 5mb, msg says it takes 15 min. I'm in new york city. Wooohooo!!!
hate to burst ur bubble but dat happen to me a couple weeks ago... very odd cuz i already had 1.3.5.1 but it doesnt do ne thing... 1.4 is gna be much bigger than 5mb... keep hitting refresh lol
I hope I didn't just fool myself (but I swear something downloaded). It lists 1.3.5.1 updates. How could that be? What did they send out a test ? I swear I just got a download. I am so bummed, and so sorry if this was false alarm. I want to crawl under a rock.
edress, i think you are right. bubble officially burst. Appreciate your comment, at least now I know it wasn't my imagination.
they said feb and its feb 25, "someone" said feb 25 and feb 25 goes all the way until 11:59pm so we have a lot of time to keep hitting update lol
I just got new automatic updates for my computer. It's not quite the same, but I'm counting it as a warm-up.
well... Palm should really show some love to us palm users I mean really I have had palm since day one it came out and we don't even have flash , video recording , voice dialing , and the device pick up on bluetooth. Don't get me wrong good phone but man can we get some high tech love .... Lol
i wont go to sleep until i get my update and right now am at sunnyvale at the palm building and i wont go until i get the up date
by the way if anyone wants to come and join me ill be here all night and day
THATS RIGHT AM AT THE PALM COMPANY SOO COME ON GET HERE IF YOU ARE CLOSED BY AND JOIN ME BRING SOME COFFE AND DONNUTS IF YOU CAN
i wont go to sleep until i get my update and right now am at sunnyvale at the palm building and i wont go until i get the up date
by the way if anyone wants to come and join me ill be here all night and day
THATS RIGHT AM AT THE PALM COMPANY SOO COME ON GET HERE IF YOU ARE CLOSED BY AND JOIN ME BRING SOME COFFE AND DONNUTS IF YOU CAN
Rob great article on all the totals available... if anyone is looking for a great way to view all the apps; a great site not mentioned is myAppBox http://www.myappbox.com
Even analytics on how the number of apps available break down by type, price etc...updated every day.
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