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Are dummy phones turning away potential customers? 55

by Derek Kessler Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:50 am EDT

Dummy phone is dumb Walk into just about any Best Buy or Radio Shack The Shack and you’ll see a full compliment of smartphones sitting there awaiting your perusal. In the section dedicated to Sprint, you’ll find the Palm Pre, but if you try and do any of those crazy gestures you’ve seen online, you’re going to be sorely disappointed by the display phone’s dummy status.

Cathy Stauffer of Gerson Lehrman Group (a consulting firm) brought up the issue, making the interesting argument that a smartphones like the Pre or iPhone are “highly experiential devices,” i.e. you have to truly play with one to understand why you’d want one. I'm thinking back, and I seem to remember an awful lot of Palm phones being dummy phones when on display outside of Sprint stores. If the only place you can do that is at a Sprint store, then Best Buy and The Shack customers are going to be left out in the cold. And standing right next to them just begging to help keep them warm? A full live working iPhone.

Stauffer is right: Palm needs for customers to be able to experience the Pre and understand what makes it unique and not “just another iPhone killer wannabe.” That means getting their hands on the phone in person wherever possible, and better advertising that (as the iPhone ads do) shows what makes the phone special.

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All the Best Buy's that I have been lately in the Phoenix area have real Pre's on display...

I work at a Best Buy store. We have a live Pre for customers to play with. We limit the live phones as we had a MyTouch stolen off the display - they just removed the battery cover on the phone and left with it. So, shoplifters are the main reason for limited live phones. Do nt blame the stores

When I went to the Sprint store to buy my Palm Pre, they actually had a dummy phone out. I asked them to let me see the real thing, and they did have one, but the battery was dead and I had to wait 15 minutes for it to charge enough from a USB port to get powered up.

I happened to have a lot of time on my hands that day, and I am a patient cat, but I know most people wouldn't have put up with that, and would have probably left or looked at other phones, giving up on the Pre.

So this is a problem in Sprint stores too. I haven't been in a Sprint store lately so I don't know if they've fixed this issue, but if they're still putting dummy phones on display they need to fix this quickly.

All the Sprint stores that I've been to in the Peninsula of the Bay Area have a real one on display.

When I purchased my Pre back in June the store only had dummy phones on display too. One of the employees let me use their Pre (which they weren't supposed to have been able to buy yet).

june 6 sprint only had one real phone on display and it was a line just to play with it..

I had the same thought when i first purchased my pre, I was like those dummy phones almost made me not get one, and when i held the pre for the first time, i was like it feels good in the hand, actally got some weight to it.

I went into a Sprint store to see a Pre and the associate said to play with a functioning model I'd have to buy the phone but I'd have a whole month to use it. I immediately knew that with the way Apple/&tt encouraged people to play with the device in store that Sprint would never see sales equaling those of the iphone.

Ah well...if only I were in charge.

You are right on. I went to the Sprint store down the street from my office a couple days after it was released to play with it.

But when I finally decided to buy one in August I went to Radio Shack (I will NEVER call it The Shack) to avoid the mail in rebate. In the interim between release and buying I did dstop in a couple of Radio Shacks and a Best Buy, none of which had a working model on display.

Our best buy had three live phones on display secured by a tether connected to the battery hatch. Two of the pres have disappeared. The iPhone, with no removable door is certainly easier to lock down.

I kind of thought the same thing. I saw a dummy Pre at the Best Buy that I bought mine at and thought "wow, nobody's going to buy one based on this!" Fortunately for me I had done my research and was already obsessed with the Pre before even walking into the store, but what about the person making a casual, or last minute decision?

Here in Houston most of the Pres on display at the Best Buys are dummy phones. I always walked by them, picked them up and asked, "why do I want to wait until November to get this phone?" Then I ask to look at a working phone and I remember!

It's not like the phones are going to be stolen--so why are there any dummy phones to begin with?

Actually people do steal working display phones. Our iphones were a big problem for awhile. I haven't heard of any being stolen lately though. As for the working pre's I don't think any of ours have been stolen yet.

I did some time in loss prevention and it is amazing what people will take. The slider design is much harder to lock down.

I think this was more justifiable when stock was tight, but now that's under control they definitely should have real phones out there.

I happen to manage a RadioShack and we do have working displays in my store and the 16 stores in my district. i have mine on a touchstone in my glass case. Next time you are in a RadioShack just ask to see a working demo, im pretty sure we all have them outside my district in the northeast reagion.

I work at Best Buy and my store has two working on display. Some stores have more of a problem with theft and may decide not to display the working ones. If you ask to see one they may pull one out for you though.

All Radioshacks have dummy phones and several have live phone, just behind the counter. Either you will have a good salesperson show you one or you will have to ask.

My store had two working models on display in late July. The rep there even showed me the homebrew apps that he had installed on his phone. Maybe it depends on the volume of sales for a particular store on what displays they get?

Dummy phones means less time agents spend on undoing FUBARs customer do trying the phone out. Famed one is enabling security on the Pre with passkey and then walk out of the store, forcing the poor sprint rep to do a remote wipe of the device or maybe even webos doctor :(

You can always ask to see the REAL one and if they refuse without sale then go to a different store.

Dummy devices (mp3 player, phones, cameras, etc) all serve to make the indecisive consumer more apt to buy what he has used before. Circuit city lost what was almost my certain purchase of the Archos 5 Player because there wasn't a device I could hold. I wouldn't have bought the Pre if I couldn't have held it and tried it (after being burned by the brick of a HTC 6700).

Then when people can see the iPhone (or iPod) in all it's glory, of COURSE they are going to buy from the one they recognize and can already work.

Having to ask for a device from behind the counter means that the folk who really don't know about the device will be lost. and the ones who just might not want to speak to a salesperson will be lost as well.

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I thought it was common knowledge at this point that weak execution is responsible for weak Pre sales. I've posted to death about it although not specifically the dumb phone on display issue. Does it really take this long to write a blog about it or rather wait for a consultant to publish the obvious?

Like this specific blog, that consultant's column, or any post I make regarding Palm's lack of execution, it's not meant as a slam at palm. Or is it meant as flaming. But just honest questioning.

I honestly believe Palm could've had great numbers with proper execution and straight forward marketing. Not iphone great, but not nearly this poor either. Palm lost a lot of momentum it had going in to June.

Bottom line, the Pre sells itself..as the demos did for us at CES. What a shame that they can't seem to get it that they simply need to show off the phone. It's the star of the show.

I was determined to get a Pre. I agree that the dummy models are not up to par with the models of other smartphones on Display. Using the real phone is a completely different and more enjoyable experience. However, if I had no knowledge of the potential of the Pre and used a dummy model in one of the stores I wouldn't think it was a smartphone.

I was absolutely put off by a Best Buy dummy model. If my friend had not purchased a real one that I could play with, I would have kept my Mogul until heading down to Best Buy today to get a Hero.

The dummy phone keyboard was absolutely terrible. The phone felt (and was) hollow and flimsy.

That being said, I'm very happy with my Pre now and I recommend it to most people I meet (Well, that or a Touch HD 2. If someone could get WebOS on that thing, I would give them quite a bit of money for it)

p.s. I do understand the associated risks and costs of having a live demo, but maybe give employees a bonus/incentive for pulling out their personal phones.

p.p.s. Looking back on my original post, I'm upset that I used "absolutely" twice. -1 for me. Let me restate: "The dummy phone keyboard was TOTALLY F**KING terrible"

When I went to buy my Pre...Sprint store had 2 in stock, and 3 live. working Pre's on display. So I got to play with it for a few minutes while they fetched mine from the back.... I really did not appreciate gestures and the touch screen until later that day after I had a lot of time to mess around with my own.

But nothing is sadder than walking to the Best Buy display and seeing two Pre's bolted to the display case and non-functional. Total bummer.

I've always thought there were two things Palm (or Sprint, or whoever) could do to make the Pre more appealing. First, people need hands on experience with this OS. Second, make the Touchstone cover the "stock" cover. When I first handled a "dummy" Pre in Best Buy, it seemed bland and felt cheap. When I played with a working phone in the Sprint store, not only was I impressed by the capabilities of WebOS, I also thought the Touchtone cover made it feel much more substantial (and quite honestly, more aesthetically appealing). Quite simply, it seemed like a different phone.

All of the full service sprint stores i've gone to, there were real pres on display with touchstones. the satellite shops i've gone to had dummy phones, but they provided real pres upon request. i probably wouldnt have been impressed without holding one.

I can confirm this trend as well. When deciding to purchase a new phone my brother in law went into a best buy and wasnt impressed with the dummy pre - all he noticed was the small size and cramped keyboard. He said the screen was small and he was thinking of the touch pro 2.

I encouraged him to go to a sprint store (the corporate sprint by me has a working model w/ touchstone), and after he used and saw the screen in person he was sold. But he needed to see it working in person to have his mind changed.

Now he, his wife, and my younger sister all have pre's =)

I stopped at Radio Shack a month or two after the Pre was released to check one out and all they had was the dummy phone. I turned around and walked right back out and didn't think about the Pre again until someone I knew bought one and I got a chance to play with it. Dummy phones (especially dummy smartphones) are indeed dumb.

Great article, and I hope more manufacturers take this to heart.

Smartphone or dumbphone. It doesn't even matter (though maybe slightly more for smartphones). I'm not buying something so expensive, and so a centerpiece of my day-to-day based on the tale told by some dumb piece of plastic!

I went to a Sprint store to look at the Pre. They had a real Pre on display, but it didn't work. I asked about it and the sales girl said it was broken. Again, I asked if this was an issue with all of them? She finally fessed up that she dropped it on the floor and broke the screen. Foreshadowing!

I have never seen a working phone in a Best Buy or Radio Shack. I just figured it was there policy not to do that. Sprint stores sometimes do sometimes don't. In the 1st couple months after the Pre came out I saw a lot of working ones, but now i rarely see a working Pre in the store. I think a lot of it has to do with the likelihood of theft in a particular store. I know stores where you will never ever see a working phone on display. Same way some Best Buy's will ask for ID to use a credit card or check your bags when you leave, and some stores don't.
I've worked in retail for a store that will remain nameless but I worked at different locations and I could see the difference in policy about stuff like this from city to suburban locations.
If you wanna see a live phone, go to a store far from the hood.

Every Best Buy I have visited has an entire podium for the iPhone. Perfectly working, with WiFi connected to the store's WiFi and GPS working (as I located myself). I didn't use the phone, but that was probably working too.

So, either I went to really posh neighborhoods (I guarantee not all of them were) or Best Buy just hates the Pre.

I visited multiple stores all across California (ranging from Southern California [Orange County], middle California [San Luis Obispo], and northern [San Fran]). By no means was this an extensive research experiment. I just wanted to play with a Pre (before I got one).

I only managed to get a real live working one in two stores (Sprint), out of all the ones I visited (Best Buy and Radioshack).

It was truly sad.

Wait, there are dummy Pre's out there? That's so stupid. It should always be a front and center type display with one (or a few) live units sitting out there for people to play with. Always.

I agree completely with this article! When I bought my Pre last month I had to go to a Sprint store to actually play with one to see if I even thought it was worth the switch (Way worth it my Storm sucked compared to this). But the phone at Sprint would have cost me to much out of pocket so I went to my Best Buy later that day and bought 2 (no mail in rebates and $70 worth of rewards certificates). They didn't have a working model there and I told them that I considered that a must have to show off this phone capabilities. Worth noting is that all 3 Best Buy associates were sporting a Pre though!

When I picked mine up at Best Buy back in July, I was surprised to see the Pre sitting there at the regular Sprint display, tethered within the mix of Treos, Centros, Motorolas, LGs, etc. like it was just another phone. I thought it quite odd not only for a smartphone but for a "new" smartphone that was supposed to showcase the OS that would supposedly spell the future of Palm. The iPhone and Andriod devices had full floor displays on endcaps that you saw when you walked into that department. I actually looked for the Pre's display and was shocked when there wasn't one. At first I thought maybe it was on the floor near the desk or something, but no. Just the non-functioning Sprint display model. There wasn't even a star or anything on the price ticket that indicated it was anything special or different.

At my Radio Shack where I purchased the Pre, I went in because a colleague of mine was buying a replacement BlackBerry. I had the chance to ask about the Pre and luckily enough one of the sales clerks had one and handed it to me to play with. To properly sell these you need to also have a video display on how to use the gestures, and features of default apps.
In my opinion, these stores definitely need at least one working model to provide users to play with.

Quite honestly, I think the terrible advertising is hurting them more than whether or not they have a real phone on display.

Most people I know who're hesitant to buy a Pre (and even those who hadn't considered it) are turned off by those creepy TV ads...

I work at a local RadioShack (we hate calling it The Shack, too... and can't figure out who EVER called it that?). I bought my Pre on opening day (June 6th, second guy in town to own one!), but had to buy it from Best Buy, because RadioShack didn't have any, yet.

We got the dummy phones about a week or two later, but because I had my personal phone, I was able to demonstrate it for potential customers.

Now we have Pres in stock at the local RadioShack stores, and each of the local stores here has a live "store demo" model that we can use to show customers. It allows the store employees who don't have Pres to show them off. It also allows us to show of a Pre without any customization (mine is completely hacked and themed, so...)

As to why we have dummy phones? It's obvious - people will steal ANYTHING. In fact, we frequently have people STEAL THE DUMMY PHONES! Argh, drives me nuts. They'll steal a 50 cent connector, and buy a $60 converter box at the same time. It's not the item, it's the act of theft, and the thrill, I guess.

Anyway, my 2-cents.

I also work at radio shack, (will never call it the shack) and did the same thing as you did, got my pre at a sprint store for an upgrade, and did not receive a demo pre for a month or so, in that time frame I showed off my own pre which did help people understand how to use it and how it work.

now we have the demo in the back room, theft is the main reason why you don't see it on the floor next to the price tag.

but to sell and item the buyer needs to know what he or she is buyinh and how to use it. That's why me as a sales man I always show how to use a cell phone, tv , recorder or what ever it is I'm selling. Helps the customer feel good and confident what they are buying

Even Wal-Mart (in my area) has a working Iphone. I too wanted to see what the pre was all about on opening day. i went into the sprint store, which was a small one and fairly empty. asked the guy if i could test a palm pre. he pulled his personal phone out of his pocket which was a pre, and let me use it. It may not be the same everywhere, but thats customer service. I bought my pre that day.

Like many others I had already done lots of research and even played with the emulator before actually venturing to a store to look at one. When I went to the local Best Buy they had a dummy phone on display but as soon as I looked at it one of the sales ladies mentioned that they had a live phone that I could look at. Granted, she never left my side while I was looking at it so the chances of me (or someone else for that matter) stealing the phone were practically nill but it was really nice to be able to hold and use a working phone.

Article right on time! Yesterday, I went to bestbuy to check out some stuff. I saw the Pre and went to play with it. It was a dummy phone and I thought "who wants to pay $149(other than the precentral gang) for something when they don't even know how it works or what it does?". Well the next day, this article pops up. But I did see another fully functional Pre at bestbuy yesterday but it was to show off a charging mat.

Absolutely it deterrs buyers. it deterred me. Iphone requires their phones be real when displayed at best buy cause Apple is actually smart. On a side note at launch i was at best buy and there was a guy there walking around with the Palm Pre letting people use it. He's gone now though. But i'd never buy a phone without seeing it first. if the point is the how great the GUI is like with Web os, Android, or that HTC flow thing you can't sell many phones without showing of that great GUI.

Yes! Dummy phones have to be the worst thing for palm pre sales! Who wants to buy something that they cannot play with first? That is a risk that people don't wanna take with an expensive smartphone!

Incidentally, I also wonder how much this contributes to some of the recent debates of how many retail Pres were actually sold.

Dear retailers: Sprint stores let us try it. Most of your stores don't. The Pre sells itself when you see what it can do. Are we really surprised if you're not making your numbers compared to Sprint?

The sprint store where I bought my Palm Pre had two phones on display to play around with and the Sprint Reps were very helpful with all of my questions that is why I went ahead and orderd mine that day. When my phone actually came in and I went to pick it up there was a Palm Rep. right there in the store. He took the time and showed me all kinds of tricks to do with the phone from the very first day. I've always really liked my phone. I've never had any issues with Sprint or Palm when I've needed answers or exchanges.

It is imperative that they have live Pres on display. The consumer has no idea what the phone can do unless they are able to interact with it. That's the whole point of WebOS - gestures and touch!

Palm had an impressive presentation when they introduced the Palm Pre... all of the main points of that presentation should be placed on video and played at all of the sprint and partner stores (on a small TV). Hands-on demo is good; but it is more effective if the phone is being demo'ed by people who know the features and how to access them:

> Show the Quick Launch Panel - and the special shadow effects
when all the panel items are moved up into the display area
(the press were impressed at this feature including the
Gesture Area when the phone was first introduced).
> Show the use of the Gesture Area - the right-to-left swipe
> Show features like Drag, Flick, Pinch-and Spread, Double-
Tap, etc.
> Show programs in Card View
> Show the Memos program with a few Notes on the Board
> Show Cut, Copy, and Paste
> Show Sync with Pre
> Show use of the Dial Pad
> Show Drag up to Answer a Call and Ignore a Call
> Show the Pre as an Organizer and Show Scheduling Events
> Show Local Search and Searching (and using) the Internet
> Show Sprint Voice Navigation and Google Maps
> Show Using the Camera and taking Pictures
> Show Playing Videos
> Show Playing Music and Internet Radio
> Show Sprint TV, NFL Network, and Disney Channel
> Show Charging the Pre with Touchstone
> And much more...

Conclusion: Palm and Sprint should start marketing the phone by showing potential customers the unique features of the Palm Pre phone.

Went into the Sprint Store to look at the Pre and the way they have it on a security wire made it difficult to really test the keyboard. It is basically pulling it out of your hand.

Couldn't agree with this more!!! I want a PRE BAD!!!! I am on ATT and not willing to switch but getting rid of the iphone and going back to Palm when it comes to att. I would love the Pre but may take the "pixi". So went to best buy and it was a dummy..made me feel used. Went to sprint and this was where I was shocked. DUMMY PHONE!!! Are you kidding me. How are you going to compete with att with basically dedicated diplays for iphones that are all interactive. I am a huge apple fan just tired of the iphone...too much of a toy!! Come on att bring me the PRE!!

before i bought my pre i went to a sprint store and asked if all they had was dummy phones they said yeah no real phones. i went down the hall to the kiosk and asked the guy asked me yeah why? i told him i wanted to play with a pre to see if i wanted to buy it. he looked at me and told me to hold on, looked deep in a cabinet and let me play with one that had been returned because if you opened it too fast the damn thing turned off *LOL* so once i go the hand of that.everything was great. liked it a whole lot and ended up buying it.

@ lucky410,
i'm in a store in UT, and we all have them as well, and if Utah has them, every store has them, like you said:
just ask to see them, we have 'em!