BlackBerry PlayBook Tablet Resurrects the Foleo Concept 158
Hey HP, we know you're pretty pumped to released a webOS-based tablet, but you should know that you've got some serious competition and it's not just from the folks in Cupertino. As CrackBerry is liveblogging right now, RIM has just announced the BlackBerry PlayBook and it's a 7", 9.7mm thin, dual-core processor-packing, multitasking, 1080p-displaying, 3D-game-playing monster.
It runs a new OS RIM is building off QNX and it supports Flash so completely that Adobe Air is the platform of choice for app development (along with BlackBerry, 'WebWorks,' Java, and more). To add insult to injury, as you can see above it can sync up with BlackBerry Smartphones ala Palm's original Foleo concept. App switching in the new "BlackBerry Amplified" interface also looks a lot like app switching in webOS.
The excitement in BlackBerry camp is awfully high right now. Your move, HP / Palm.
See the BlackBerry PlayBook video at CrackBerry.com
158 Comments
HP/Palm need to come out with something to wipe the floor with RIM...
They do, it's called their enterprise tablet running on windows 7. Which won't be as successful as the playbook imho.
It's really hard being the underdog. If I hadn't seen Blackberry all over that video, I would've been really excited for H/Palm's future and would've thought it was for sure a webOS tablet. H/Palm needs to get the ball rolling fast, otherwise they (Palm) will miss the boat again.
I'm also quite curious to see the battery life on it. 1 GHZ dual core? shouldn't run anymore than 3 hours...
Agreed, but Win7, or even Win Mobile doesn't really even come close to collecting dust bunnies, let alone wiping the floor with RIM.
HP/Palm?WebOS has to either sh*t or get off the pot, and stat!
Its a tough situation: WebOS is a great environment, and I'm sure they're gunning to get it out as fast as they can, but I'm also sure that a quality job takes the time it takes.
It will just be very unfortunate if WebOS fails simply because it didn't come out in time. Maybe that's why HP is looking to hook it into printers, to help subsidize its development, give it some extra time...
Fingers crossed!
Re: Rahul Soods Tweets
Hey Rahul, Go get that screw driver!
Oh wow. They have cards that slide across the screen. How intuitive. It must be the hands-down the best tablet OS bar none ;)
Blackberry announced their tablet today, here's hoping HP announces some new device(s!) tomorrow.
It does kinda suck, seeing all these other companies releasing cool stuff, and us WebOS users are left with some german writing on a certification thing
how is this not lawsuit worthy?
I thought the exact same thing when I saw the card view multitasking.
If HP doesn't sue for the Web OS rip-off, George Harrison's heirs could probably sue them for the soundtrack! ;-)
As much as I wish Palm could claim complete credit for the card concept, I think their only real claim is that they brought it to phones. Win7, for instance, has had the ability to flip through windows in a card-like view since the beginning.
However, I actually do think webOS integration into printers will give HP a leg up in the Enterprise world. Printers that are networked into multiple user-profiles is simply a way of life today. I frequently go over to our printer/coppier, log onto my profile, & send myself &/or others files. I would love better integration between coppier/printer, phone, pc, and pad.
Probably because Palm jacked the concept of cards from Expose on OS X and Safari on the iPhone.
Who stole the idea from the open source community from a good year or 2 before they came out with it.
Yep, this appears to be a direct violation of this patent:
http://bit.ly/9bSJWE
I'm no lawyer but uh, that says:
"NAVIGATING AMONG ACTIVITIES IN A COMPUTING DEVICE
A computing device runs multiple activities concurrently and provides at least two modes for interacting with the activities. The user may toggle between the modes as desired. In a full-screen mode, one activity occupies substantially an entire display screen. In a windowed mode, the activity is visible within a window, and a portion of at least one other window is also visible. In the windowed mode, the user can cause windows to move, thereby changing focus from one activity to another. For example, the window having focus can be moved off the screen, to be replaced by a new window that is then given focus."
In other words "Application Cards". O.o
hopefully HP/Palm will fight for this patent and kick RIMs thief ass.
Actually, that is a published patent application. It is not a patent and, therefore, not something you can sue on. Yet.
And, yes, I am an attorney.
Quit the hatorade and give credit where credit is due. The thing looks awesome! It's making me forget all about a WebOS tablet.
lol. credit to rim for their card view? Heheh
I agree. I was over on Engadget hating @ first but then I watched the video. And I couldn't help but think to myself, this is gonna be tough for us. A major player like BB coming through with some shit like this! With all the market share they already have! This is gonna be a tough blow. I just hope we can get a product to market quickly and gather as much excitement as this thing has.
Sucks indeed. Like or dislike/agree or disagree with the strategy of Palm, they aren't breaking from it.
I LOVE webOS. LOVE it. But if the PalmPad, isn't AT LEAST better than this, I will get the playbook. I'm very curious how they got away with having an OS that appears to operate so similar to webOS without getting in trouble.
Wonders how long HP/Palm can sit back and let the others get the jump on them. Hopefully sooner rather than later we will get to see webOS shown on new phones and pads, as right now they are losing the battle and the war and webOS will soon be like betamax video a great platform but left to die while everyone moves on to something else :(
I'm pretty sure HP won't let them slide in on card view that easy. Then again, card view could become the mobile metaphor the same way MS stole the desktop metaphor from Apple a few years back. No one can know.
If the PalmPad isn't cooler, I'm buying. Looks awesome
MS didn't steal that from Apple.
Apple and MS both stole that from (Xerox) PARC.
PARC had a bunch of brilliant people who invented in the late 70s most of what was presented as innovations the next couple of decades.
Apple is brilliant at marketing and design. But there's not that much that I remember them actually inventing first.
Apple neither invented the GUI, nor the MP3 player or smartphone.
They are good at combining existing stuff in very neat packages and marketing that as great innovations.
MS used to be good at never-giving-up-until-they-win. Every market they dominate now used to belong to other big players.
IMHO MS peaked a few years ago (already declining) and Apple currently is at their peak.
That is WebOs with blackberry badging. Ruby is flaming right now.
It may handle 1080p videos, but certainly doesn't display it on the screen. The screen only does 1024x600.
Its kinda blatant rip off but probably not infringement since it could easily be argued that the card metaphor is simply an extension of the window metaphor we have on PCs today. I say we take it as the sincerest form of flattery and simply keep innovating the manner in which the UI works. For example I don't see any "card stacks" here so HPalm is ahead of the game.
The problem I see is that HP/Palm may be ahead of the game in the R&D behind closed doors but out here in the real consumer world they are next to nowhere which is a real shame... now if they start to release videos like the playbook one people will go hang on a minute I will wait and see what this Palm Pad is all about if however HP/Palm leave it any longer the majority will go W7 Slate or BB Playbook or Ipad for Christmas and say webOS who... :(
going through the liveblog of that event about an hour or so ago, they said the playbook won't be available til Q1 next year in the US and Q2 internationally. so it seems they're basically getting a big jump on trying to hype it up. means to me that HPalm still has a couple months to get they're hype machine up and running. some thunder can still yet be stolen since the Palmpad's timeline is roughly the same as the Playbook
True. Is WebOS 2.0 moving on from the sliding cards into the card stack method?
Darn, they ripped off Cards (maybe) but people are gonna think RIM did it first
that's the whole point. todd bradley just announced that they would not license webos. might as well had.
RIM might want to stop putting all their focus into this and actually make a OS for their phones that does not feel like it's from 2001. That company is stretching themselves way too thin and their products are suffering as a result. Their latest phone still is lacking a GPU and has specs from a device more than a year old.
I'm betting that this tablet OS will be on future BB phones!! As of today for me, the WebOS tablet has dropped to #3, Android tablet has dropped to #2, and this BB Playbook tablet is #1.
In 2011, it will be very hard for me to pick a tablet!
Something tells me RIM was that 3rd company that wanted to buy Palm for their IP.
Multitasking: check!
Flash: Check!
Web technology based apps, with api access: check!
What the hell?
wow palm anything to say? i say release some info on our phone show what webos2.0 is capable of ... than show that palm is the original card viewing multitasking champion
I'm guessing this means the PalmPad is delayed? lol
That honestly does look awesome. It blows the iPad out of the water in my opinion. A lot more professional. But I guess thats what you expect from RIM. I was against webOS on a tablet because i thought it was unnecessary. But if it looks anything like this or better, Id have to change my mind.
If the PalmPad doesn't have stylus writing capabilities, then there really won't be any reason to buy a PalmPad as the PlayBook already does multitasking and seems to be doing it nicely.
I think what HP/Palm still dont get is that the average person who sees things like this has no idea what webOS is, and will be saying Palm's "cards" look like a ripoff of Blackberry's tablet. Another too slow, too late, beat to the punch moment for them.
I've been a WEBOS user now for 1 year and a week. I love webOS and it's future endevors.
Such is the way of the world that one company will attempt to copy another (Multitasking Cards), etc...
But HP/PALM are working hard on multiple devices to be released very soon.
Have patience oh WEBOS faithful. RIM might have gotten the jump start on us but their Apps and OS still need a lot of work. While we have the real deal and it keeps getting better/ready to be unleased.
:-)
Sorry, but did you watch the video? Those apps not only look awesome, they seem to offer more then webOS currently does.
HPalm has a huge uphill battle.
+1
It is time to stop with all the promises and start actually producing products. There is no excuse for Blackberry beating Palm at their own game... How in the hell could they not only let the competition catch up to them so quickly but announce a product before they have... Pathetic. I gotta tell you this damn PalmPad had better be one hell of a device. Or it will be time to move on, if it isn't already...
I'm sick of my beloved Palm playing catch up! C'mon guys, get there first with your new products, give us something that we can hold up to all those apple sheep and say "Look, this is way better and better supported, and first!"
Palm is losing market share by the day and it seems that they are asleep at the wheel, or maybe they arent even driving. Wake up! Rim has just trumped you! Apple did it too with the Ipad.
Hell, besides multi touch, there wasn't a single thing an Iphone could do that my Treo 650 wasn't already doing and Palm lost that race while taking a very long nap. Consumers aren't going to wait for Palm to lope along in the electronics race. Get your shoes on and run like hell or the race is going to leave you behind, Palm!!!
This is what HPalm gets for waiting!! "It's not the right time" so many whine... Well, unless whatever HPalm had in the works doesn't blow this off the table, don't look for a webOS slate before late 2011.
You can't be second and show an inferior product. If what HPalm has doesn't quite measure up to this, it would be OK if HPalm announced first. But now, if you announce an inferior device second the will be forgotten into oblivion except by current webOS users...
....okay come to think of it HP's tablet will have something that these other tablets dont (hopefully handwriting) but its the interoperability between devices that HP's vision seems will be a future success. Cloud plus seemless integration between phone, tablet, printer, and toaster. I will wait!!!
I'm concerned for HP, the window of opportunity is closing.
"There is no predefined window of opportunity in the technology business; lack of innovation is the only thing that closes the window." - Rahul Sood
Look forward to seeing a new HP portable music player, then, Rahul.
this Racoon man is saying blatant nonsense. Selling high tech is all about opening the windows of opportunity.
But tha's expected, he is CE-oh, so he doesn't have a clue, by definition.
tell me more about integrated & interconnected mobile devices & services, please, sir Racoon.... Yawn.
its pretty much shut. If I were a BB/iphone/ Android user why in the world would I choose a "Palmpad"?
This BlackBerry Playbook looks badass. The only leg up the "Palmpad" had on its competitors was elegant multitasking. But this Playbook does it beautifully and has beat Palm to the punch.
Ummm...you haven't yet seen the "PalmPad." I bet you didn't think Rimm's Playbook would be so "badass" until you saw their promo.
As for beating HP/Palm to the punch, you realize this isn't due out until 1st qtr 2011? All we have seen is a promotional ad. Since the "PalmPad" is also due out in the 1st qtr 2011, I think I will at least wait until I see the HP/Palm promos before I make up my mind.
I always thought Palm had a loyal base of followers. We know we have a great OS to work with so it amazes me a 2:30 minute video can make so many say they are jumping ship.
They did beat Palm to the punch...they've totally won the mindshare race with the announcement of their tablet. And not only did they announce it, but they announced it with a savy mini campaign that has, and will continue to, completely own the tech news feed for a while. What has Palm released recently? Screen shots of WebOS2.0 which are now, like Palm, a big zero on the mainstream radar.
its not a 2:30 minute video that is making people jump ship, its the 478 days since we've had new hardware that's making people jump ship.
478 days since we've had new hardware (while being stuck with hardware that breaks way too often).
My Palm history literally reads:
Palm Pilot -> Palm Vx -> Treo 600 -> Treo 650 -> Treo 755p -> Palm Pre -> Palm Pre -> Palm Pre -> Palm Pre -> Palm Pre -> Palm Pre -> HTC EVO
I'm right behind you on the Evo
You've got to admit though, had this been a 2:30 minute webOS related video, people would be singing a different tune here. There would have likely been talks of webOS dominating the market, etc.
RIM fooled everybody with the BlackPad name.
PlayBook is genius. Its name suggests both worlds. Literally the word Play for the fun side, but also the business side, a Sports playbook for planning.
if HP was actually going to use the PalmPad name, I'm gonna lose faith in their ability to compete.
EDIT: was thinking and that recent news HP wants to put their branding on webOS instead of Palm so maybe it wont be called the PalmPad afterall.
I am kinda in love. AND ZOMG she's a Blackberry! What's Mom going to think when I bring her home?????
please inclue handwriting recognition / wacom pen HPalm... It is a huge differenciator (sp?)
I checked out the iPhone community to see what they are saying about it. Im surprised that there are people actually saying its better than the iPad. Of course there are those who are defending the all mighty apple too. lol. And has anyone noticed that almost all of their articles don't go over 30 comments. What a community they have.
Update: just out of curiosity I checked out the other sites for BB and Android etc. None of them usually go over 30 comments. Wow. Im glad Im on Precentral. :)
they don't get over 30 comments because they have great hardware, good OS and a company that is consistently giving them new hardware. They are out enjoying their software/hardware. Our community is so vocal because we are a starved community.
Agreed.
I think a lot of people are reading into HP being behind.
Did anyone read the availability for the Play Book, it is: "in early 2011"
Now does anyone remember this:
"Todd Bradley had confidentially told employees that a webOS tablet would arrive in Q1 2011"
I don't think Blackberry is necessarily going to beat Palm to a tablet release. If anything everyone should be woried about the onslaught of Android tablets that will be comming to a store near you. WebOS is a little more of a known quantity to developers while this new BB OS is not so they needed to come out early, doesn't mean they will get a huge marketshare.
Either way I probably won't buy any of these tables as my phone and 13" laptop work fine. Once they come down to the range of $200 for a wifi only version I may be tempted to splurge, but I think Android will get to that price point first. Hopefully HP will surprise me, but I think I'll be waiting for a WebOS tablet in that range for a long time.
I saw that as well. it seems they'll both be hitting around the same time. be interesting to see how well they both do before and after the imminent iPad refresh. hopefully HPalm's webOS tablet has more of what this playbook can (seemingly) do as far as actual productivity and usefulness compared to the iPad.
pricing is also going to be a factor in who "wins" and RIM hasn't released any pricing numbers for the Playbook...
what the hell... A playbook it is and on the same shopping tour I might as well get a torch :)
finally I can work at home and not at the office this thing called webos doesn't allow me to do that...
and dam it has flash hell yaaaaa....
I'm loving it...
webos is getting at least a free speaking system tested for there phone... And blackberry already has it... Why wait any longer palm has the money to wait another year to make a move my company and app developers don't have this kind of money we going with the masses :)
Even Maximum PC thinks it looks like WebOS!
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/rim_announces_blackberry_playbook_...
and the other side is in addidtion rim doesn't have the billions like hp does but at least there making a lot out of the money they have... I like this attitude they give the customer what it wants
to be fair, you can't really do multitasking with windowed/card apps without copying WebOS. Just look at androids and iphones form of "multitasking". It's kinda like saying a phone is copying the look of the iphone if it's rectangular, is mostly screen, and has one button on the front.
That being said, I don't understand why the iphone/ipad doesn't do multitasking in expose style. It'd work a whole lot better than just stupid icons.
and the other side is in addidtion rim doesn't have the billions like hp does but at least there making a lot out of the money they have... I like this attitude they give the customer what it wants
Announcing it this far in advance of release, with a glut of tablet announcements and actual releases to happen in between, is a huge mistake.
It does look like a nice piece of hardware, but there is zero chance they'll be able to maintain the hype through the holiday season.
who cares who invented what...go to walmart look at all the bs china has copied and none gives eff...
the market has changend...
I so wish hp would step up...
I've sent so many emails with ideas that would blow the market away and never get a response... I'll just start with rim apple and android and wait to see if hp does a move before all of a sudden nokia pops out of no where ... Hp got billions I wonder how with this attitude...
I mean we don't even have a voicerecorder till this day and flash was silently killed as well as office apps... We are the customers and not hpalm
Nokia is making a come back to the US market...don't know if they will be successful but they will come full bore.
who cares who invented what...go to walmart look at all the bs china has copied and none gives eff...
the market has changend...
I so wish hp would step up...
I've sent so many emails with ideas that would blow the market away and never get a response... I'll just start with rim apple and android and wait to see if hp does a move before all of a sudden nokia pops out of no where ... Hp got billions I wonder how with this attitude...
I mean we don't even have a voicerecorder till this day and flash was silently killed as well as office apps... We are the customers and not hpalm
seriously palm what's the problem need some help I'll gladly hold the wip at your headquarters so the work gets done
seriously palm what's the problem need some help I'll gladly hold the wip at your headquarters so the work gets done
Still think blackberry has lost its cache... not sure what their strategy is here... hp + palm has a broad reach... apple similar...windows similar... nokia, blackberry...the pure phone type plays just seem to be the ones who should drop off.. I had the storm for 2 weeks based on the hype...implementation was horrendous. My day one pre smoked that even with whatever pre issues there were so point is...see if they can implement it properly and see what the real strategy is.. seems like you buy blackberry and you are an island to yourself. Plus..doesnt their app store pretty much blow chunks?
"Still think blackberry has lost its cache"
Sorry, but I think with this, they just got it back!
Dang it Palm. CRUSH THEM! CRUSH THEM NOW! QUICK!
But seriously, I'd kinda like it if this encouraged Palm to announce something tomorrow. That'd make my week. :)
So I'm curious. Are there any patents currently associated with the Foleo concept that HP now holds?
Perhaps someone should get in touch with HP's legal department...
+1
I like it and for the specs it blows the ipad by miles. No doubt, if it is done right and the apps are working. Storm 1 & 2 have been major fails...
Torch looks decent. Playbook looks cool. But it lacks 3G and 4G...so you need a phone with a hotspot.
Now would somebody please stand up at HP/Palm and unleash the Dragon?
On behalf of all the palm employee's who worked rigorous days, months, years to come up with the idea of card multi-tasking, and developing webos to be what it is today.
I'd like to say FUCKYOU RIM!!! this proves that you are a completely uninnovative company who has lost all creativity. Your latest attempt to be "hip" disgusts me. I bet blackberry will probably get credit for the cards idea too... and Webos will look like the copycat.
The only thing this "playbook" can do is be overshadowed by apple, and hurt sales of palm's next tablet. That is all, I never thought I could hate a company more than I hate apple... it just happened.
Too far... "Keep Calm and Carry On"
Hahaha, this is so darn funny hp/Palm got there thunder stolen before they can even get out the gate...now all BB needs to do is put this on a phone and Webos is toast because they would lose their advantage the card multitasking.
With BB huge user base why go to hp/Palm for great multitasking...now when people see this they will think BB came up with the cards first and hp/Palm copied them when and if their tablet ever comes out...everyone knows BB hardly anyone knows Palm/webos.
You can almost bet that with this tablet hp/Palm won't be getting hardly any BB user to flock to them for tablets. Hp/Palm dropped the ball again as usual and soon all the major OSes will slowly take their advantages away until they are irrelevant which they are pretty much are now...lol.
There is a bright side they still have that gimmick touchstone nobody seems to want to copy yet. Wake up hp/Palm you are too slow to the market!
hardly anyone knows Palm? really? Maybe hardly any of the current kiddo's...
I suppose HP is also an unknown startup company trying to make a name for themselves?
I think they got plenty of name recognition...
WOW! If I don't see anything from HP/Palm by the time this baby is on the market, I am ditching my ORIGINAL LAUNCH PRE and getting a BB phone and tablet.
It's not that I don't love webOS, I am just tired of seeing others catching up to what webOS can already do, and surpassing it with a few tweaks to the OS and better hardware.
DAMN. I'm no Blackberry fan, but DAMN. RIM just stepped up their game BIG time. And frankly I'm quite glad they did. It forces companies like HPalm to step up or shut up.
RIM bringing their "A" game is good for all Tech-heads. It doesn't really matter who invented card view or multitasking. In the long run, all that matters is who does it best.
HPalm....it's your move....we're waiting....
I wonder if the playbook will let you "throw the cards off the screen" that would suck.
man... Blackberry is a sorry excuse for an os and to top that off, lets bite off webos's dick and come up with cards that looks like some cheap chinese knock off version... Stupid fuckin idiots...
Angry much? Sing with me. "I feel pretty...."
not angry! Simply hate BB.. The OS sucks the fones sucks n it's matter of time that shitty company dies! There's nothing special about that fuckin company! My dumbass friends goes "damn the new blackberry fone looks sick" so with that said the fuckin ppl who likes bb aren't the ppl that appreciates art of technology... I would rather have Apple or palm to own all the tech companies and this world would be awesomely amazing! Fuck BlackBerry!
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
...oh so pretty...
blackberry is soo fuckin 2001.. My pocket PC was better than that shit..
I don't think they will throw the cards off the screen because then they will really be asking for a law suite but then again Palm put pinch to zoom on their phones and everyone was waiting for an law suite from Apple.
IPad is essentially just a big Ipod Touch. Can't print. No Flash support because Steve Jobs doesn't like it. This is the same Steve Jobs who said IBM could have the corporate PC market because he just wasn't interested in that market. Also Ipad is from company who put crappy "retina-like" screen and crappy camera in new Ipod Touch in order to force people to upgrade to Iphone 4 (I guess). Apple is just clueless when it comes to the enterprise which is where the really big numbers are. The enterprise market is how RIM got to their dominant market share in the first place, and it's why the PlayBook will probably ultimately kick the Ipod's butt in total sales.
Sadly, the enterprise market is where HP/Palm had their greatest hope of a revival, and with RIM now fielding what looks like a legitimate contender in that space, it looks like HP/Palm may be missing the boat and instead of being perceived as an innovator risks coming across as a "me, too!" product.
make that "kick the Ipad's butt"
Wow, in the few hours since this thing debuted they are already getting the credit for the awesome multi-tasking and folks are trying to figure out when RIM purchased Palm.
all i have to say god danm! the spec on this thing is nice. at least there makeing an effort to get better so im not hating on that effort but my beef is with the card system thats ours and they stole it and the messed up thing is that people are goin to see it in stores play with it and say this is cool then when a webos tablet comes out there goin to say palm is copying blackberry (saying that cuz of the scale that blackberry has in the mobile space) everything was cool rim then you crossed the line. i think a law suit is needed here and i dont believe in that shit but good danm.
Palm webos who??? webos is becoming irrelevant as everyone picks away its advantages...next synergy?
"Adobe Air and Java... the development platform of choice.." of course this is why it has a dual core cpu... its going to also need 4G ram
GOOD LUCK SUCKAS
oh btw, who else noticed they completely ripped off webOS cards idea...
they feel the pain coming
Wow, this is a very nice piece of Hardware! If their OS is any decent, they may have just beat Palm at their own game. I love Palm, but they they are just way to slow and behind the times at releasing things. Even when they had the then breakthrough Pre, they were still outdated by the time they finally released it. Com'on Palm - quite dragging your feet and get moving! What are are you waiting for? Till you're so irrelevant and outdated that you're nothing then an afterthought once you finally release something? Palm better blow us away with Hardware and Price or they don't stand a chance!
I like what you say !
Seriously, BB OS6 was looking really slick...until hands got a hold of it. The Torch hasn't been much of a hit, but, more importantly, there were a number of issues people noted about the OS. Certainly better than BB OS5, but still too much BB.
It's all about the implementation. A good marketing department can make crap shine. It "looks" good, but how will it actually function? Even worse, announcing a tablet 4-6 months (or more) ahead of availability is stupid. Palm had to learn that lesson the hard way.
RIM's got a long way to go before they can make me see their value again. WebOS is much more than just the card metaphor. And I think 2.0 will elevate it even further.
True
+1
O'well HPalm was slow so now they can blow!
Good job RIM, this will make for more innovation. I hope HPlam is ready to play early next year with their tablet and I hope it's not too late. The one think I wish was that Palm had used this exact commercial on the release of the Pre! This Playbook commercial shows off most (not all of course) of what WebOs can do today ! SMH
Not worried,PALM will prevail. Notifications, card throwing. Bundle cards, touchstone, faster processor, 4g...and more shit...I'm not...I still have your back palm. Besides we don't even know if it works.
Not worried,PALM will prevail. Notifications, card throwing. Bundle cards, touchstone, faster processor, 4g...and more shit...I'm not...I still have your back palm. Besides we don't even know if it works.
did I read this article clrrectly that this OS is different than what runs on their phones?
does that mean it won't run current blackberry apps?
Will somebody please win the mobile-os war and call me when you're done?! Thx
There may actually be such as thing as too much competition.
Who's gonna write an app for all of these: iOS, Android, BB, WebOS, WP7?
First they rip off the Pre now WebOS ! What the hell !
Riping off the Pre? I haven't heard anything about the torch falling apart and people getting their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th replacement torch.
Wait for it... Wait for it...
Lucky Palm was working on the Foleo concept for years now. The Foleo concept is an idea that wont be limited to just one OS, just like data tethering or even something as simple as adding a contact from a previous call. Watch, we'll see it come up again with the new HP tablet.
I hope you are correct... Can I get an "instant on"
Have they put a price point/availability time line yet? If there isn't a webOS tablet by Christmas, or at the least a pre two to hold me over, I can sooooooo totally see me with this. I want to support palm, but in order to do so I need something TO support.
Why oh why oh why oh why...
... are there no creepy pale ghosty chicks in this ad?
Note to Palm/HP: Notice the excitement/emotion this ad brings up?
I swear that Pom's management intentionally wanted to fail when they chose that route in advertisement.
I'm somewhat outraged that they could push out such a blatant rip-off and thump their chest while doing so. The actual launch won't be until next year, we'll see who is actually first, but I have to admit, it's a slick video.
Are you talking about Palm or RIM with the "blatant rip-off and thump their chest while doing so" statement?
hey kinster02 just because the Torch may have better build quality than the original Pre doesn't mean that the concept wasn't ripped off. I've seen blackberry market the torch as the 'first' fullscreen and keyboard slider. Really.
I was making a point about RIM ripping off the Pre's build quality.
I think the Blackpad looks pretty cool, and this is coming from someone who loves webOS and my Pre. I also think it is a complete ripoff of cards, their video makes it look like they invented everything mobile/tablet, and Palm, Apple, and Google will all be hard pressed not to step up and issue some cease and desist letters from legal.
RIM needs some positive news and they are pulling out all stops and at least presenting demos on video (I stress the word on Video). Anything can be faked and even Windows 7 looks impressive till you try them in action and see how they really work.
Either way, Palm certainly needed a kick in the pants and RIM is the perfect challenger (HP's biggest competitor in the business mobile arena). Hopefully, this will provide a little motivation for HP to get their phones, printers, and tablets into the limelight. To be honest, I guarantee HP and Palm are Busting their Butts, making things happen, moving the process along. They could wait till the end of the year or early 2011 for their huge CES announcement, but they are now hard pressed keeping secrets and would surprise everyone by not showing off something to generate some positive press time of their own.
Time will tell and hopefully they have something coming simply so we can stop talking about "what's coming next?"
Question though, do we really want something half baked and not quite ready for prime time? I'd rather wait and be completely satisfied with my next phone, tablet, or otherwise. Sorli...
Is anyone ever completely satisfied with anything or anyone? no...its human nature so your'll be waiting a very long time.
My apologies kinster02, didn't sense the sarcasm nor did I realize the torch had build issues as well.
The torch has no Pre build issues so therefore RIM couldn't possibly have copied the Pre...thats my point.
Being Canadian and all, I'm glad that RIM is in the game, providing competition.
However, being a Palm lover and all, I'm thinking that I'll be able to play Angry Birds on my Palm 'Pad' sooner than any Blackberry Tablet.
I'm just saying...
Ah, Palm fans. They'll be on their death beds hoping for the best with their last words being "just wait for the C40!"
Haha! +1
Lol, Palms fans on their death beds still waiting for the C40...You took the words out of my mouth.
rim still s crap
ne one notice our new palm phone in the lower right hand corner ?
While the Playbook looks great and similar to webOs, Palm made some fatal mistakes with the Pre even with the most elegant UI. So just because they copy the UI does NOT mean its a done deal that this is the next best seller. In other words, Palm had the same buzz with the Pre, then hardware issue and such made the phone lose its steam..... and for that matter, same with the BB storm. Don't get me wrong, in the 2 mins it looked bad a**, but as always the devil is in the details.
Palm hopefully will learn from its mistakes, and maybe so will BB. To me Palm tried to truly think about what was next BEYOND the iphone, hence a more elegant UI and multitasking with the Pre, but to me their mistakes were leaving out some basics or things that people thought of as "given," like a phone that doesn't break. (kind of like building a better house, but on a bad foundation). I just hope Palm/HP corrects their mistakes without being gun-shy about innovation. Plus, as much as BB tout's being able to port apps or whatever, its still a new OS, so there will be a learning curve there. There is still time Palm, but please tell me you've taken what the ipad (and now playbook) have as the foundation at a MINIMUM, then do what you have done well before.... think of what is next and ADD ON INNOVATION. And the sooner the better.
Oh my fellow WebOS users.....masochists extraordinaire! Again, we console ourselves with talk of "wait and see what Palm will do!" "I LOVE my Original Pre" etc etc etc its almost like we're awaiting the second coming of Christ! (no offence intended to the believers amongst you)
The fact that Samsung had a tablet ready for the world to see last month and now RIM, tells you that these tablets have been in development since the start of the year at least (only behind Apple by about 6 months), Hpalm will be so late to this party its not even funny.
Look to the facts in front of you guys:
1/ New HP CEO waxes lyrical about new tablets but most of all about the PRINTERS he will sell with WebOS...... RED FLAG 1
2/ HP CEO says they will not try to be apple - RED FLAG 2 why?: Apple were/still are a computer company that happens to have a successful line of phones and mp3 players that they update annually.... nothing hard to imitate really is it?
3/ Mike Hurd said it once, and he wasn't kidding- "HP didn't get WebOS to get into the smartphone business" RED FLAG 3
WebOS 2.0 will just be an upgrade for Pres, and will probably be optimised for Pre +, and will be the OS for whatever products HPalm dream up, quit dreaming of a superphone amigos. Another telling sign is that so many high level Palm execs jumped ship - more than can be accounted for by merging with HP, remember, these are guys who stuck with Palm when the going was tough through that year when they werer developping WebOS and Pre, so what, they all leave now that they have more spending power????
Congratulations RIM, Playbook looks great.
One tiny problem with your statement about HP being late...RIM's release date for this is the same time frame as HP's tablet: Early 2011.
Kind of hard to be beaten by a competitor, when the competitor's product isn't coming out before yours.
News Flash - The cards interface isn't anything novel. It's a pretty obvious evolutionary user interface choice. If that's what you think a great OS is made of, you're greatly overestimating the value of a simple feature.
Was it "pretty obvious" on the original iphone?
Yes. Safari used "cards" to handle switching between multiple web pages a year before Palm used it to switch between applications.
Exactly... between "web pages," NOT applications... pretty big difference. In hind sight it should have been obvious to them, yet it wasn't there......
It probably was...but then subsequently removed once they started getting the "too many cards" error.
seriously guys, H/Palm has a roadmap to follow. It doesn't make sense to change it just because an other company is announcing products too. It's no reason to become hyperactive or hyper nervous. H/Palm will follow it's masterplan - it's the only thing they can do anyway. Don't believe Palm isn't working it's butt off ;)
Only problem is, there roadmap is 10 years out-of-date and new freeways have been built since then so they are taking the long way to get anywhere. By the time they get there, they can't figure out why no one is waiting there to cheer for them.
how do you know palm is lagging behind if you don't know the roadmap (or specs of new hardware)? what if H/Palm was just trying to get done with that "merger" and was then focusing on true next gen hardware? I don't expect the webOS tablet to have less powerful hardware than this playpad. plus a hopefully superior OS. if i were CEO of HP and perfectly knew the specs of the next hardware I wouldn't worry or hastily announce anything just to have some own headlines. I would let RIM do what RIM likes to do and wait till everything is finished and polished. something else wouldn't seem professional to me.
You're forgetting that way back in August HP confirmed they will have a webOS tablet in early 2011 (http://www.precentral.net/official-webos-tablet-coming-2011).
Sorry, but two months is plenty of time to get some "polish" on it, as you call it, to make a splash. They have just been trumped, no way to slice it.
If you don't see anything within the next month, I think it is safe to assume that the specs of that webOS tablet were not up to snuff with this PlayBook announced by RIM.
What HPalm needs to understand is that you can't just sit back and think the market will come flooding to you -- in other words you need to be proactive, not reactive.
Perhaps the HP is sitting back silently because they know what they have will knock this PlayBook out of the water, but until they announce ANYTHING dealing with webOS hardware beyond stupid printers, don't expect to see people dancing in the streets.
Thats probably H/Palm problem and why they keep dropping the ball and are always late in the game because they are using a road map when they should be using Gps navigation and maybe they wouldn't be so lost in time and clueless.
ahh.. It's nice but I'm not too worried.. Seems to me rim is just playin chatch up and/or forgettin that palm did it 1st and is working on something better.. For ex. Look at their ad's for the torch... Seems like as to say the pre never was smh now yu see how popular the torch is.. I say their just following in palms footsteps and acting like it's their own and because of this they will never have a great os like palm.. They playin against webos 1.0...what happens when 2.0 comes out?