Bradley, Rubinstein on stage at web 2.0 summit on 11/16 67
It isn't a CES keynote, but it may still be noteworthy: on Tuesday, November 16th, Todd Bradley and Jon Rubinstein will be onstage at the Web 2.0 Summit for "A Conversation with HP," hosted by tech author/entrepreneur/Federated Media CEO John Battelle. While the topics for the "conversation" aren't listed, the fact that the two execs in the discussion are, respectively, the executive vice president of HP's Personal Systems Group (the branch that oversees Palm) and the senior vice president and general manager, Palm Global Business Unit, makes it quite likely that Palm smartphones and other devices running HP webOS 2.0 (yes, we're getting used to the new branding) will be on the agenda.
We will of course keep an eye out for revelations or other newsworthy bits that come out of Tuesday's conversation. Between Monday's official availability of the Pre 2 in the UK and possibly Germany, this conference appearance on Tuesday, webOS Developer Day in New York City the next weekend, and maybe even a Verizon Wireless release for the Pre 2 (who knows!), it is promising to be an exciting week for the webOS community.
Source: Web 2.0 Summit
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i am sure someone will ask the question '' what made you launch the pre2 with the same form factor as its predessors''.
They did it to please me.
-- Rod
You eqaul the vast minority.
wow, that's real mature. I agree -- I love the form factor. Perfect to hold; fits in my pocket. Personally, not sure why somebody would want anything bigger, but that's just preference I guess. In fact, I was at Wmart yesterday and checking out the new stuff -- androids, windows, iphone. And that little Sprint Pre minus was still looking great to me! You guys need to chill and either have a little patience for the new stuff or move on.
you've never browsed the web for long periods on a phone. You can contest this but I cannot believe you.
you're right. I only do a little web browsing on the phone, usually just quick google searches. But who really wants to browse on their phone, anyways? If I want to browse for "long periods of time", I'd much rather be in front of my PC with DSL. My Pre is made for phone calls, emails, txting, and calendar -- and it's the perfect size for that.
I'm not discounting your opinion...and it sounds like soon Palm will have devices for both of our tastes! I just get tired of people bashing the current form factor, when really it was incredibly innovative.
I browse the web all the time on my Sprint Pre.. No complaints here. Does the job just fine. Get your eyes checked if you think it's too small and you can't see it. Lol.
I use my ladys Samsung Vibrant from time to time and it's nice with the screen size and then jump back on my Pre. Nope still doesn't bother me. I watch movies on my pre, etc...
what's funny is ya, you had a few people complain about screen size when the Pre came out.. But the majority was it's not bad.. But once HTC came out with monster devices like the Evo 4G now there's people complaining about screen size.... It's phone envy.. It's funny to me...
the people complaining are the types that are like tech sheep that this industry preys on. They will buy the next biggest baddest device because they need to have something better then their friends all the time. They don't and won't ever appreciate what they have but much rather be concerned on having the better materialistic item then the next person. On this is what keeps the tech industry so strong... Weak minded people that can't form their own opinions based on what they like but based on what companies tell them they need with stat sheets and advertising. Granted alot of those Sprint people are walking around with Epic 4Gs and unhappy because they were wowed and persuaded with a near god phone stat sheet. Baaa baaa baaa...
I'm not a sheep, more like the maverick on my horse that is roaming yet when I find something I like I'll stand behind it,,, I form my own opinions and appreciate what I have and not want to try to out do my friends, common people, coworkers etc.. Does the screen work for me? Ya.. I have good eye sight and an appreciation for what I have... And as a bonus I do posses something that is better then my friends iphone4 or my ladies Android... I'm running WebOS which in my opinion runs so much smoother then those 2..
my lady may have a bigger screen and a slightly more powerful phone but you know what she's envious of?? Yup WebOS.. Told me she wishes her phone could run like mine... She also thinks the screen is just fine on Palm Pre.. She's on T-Mobile so she doesn't have the Palm option..
for all the people that always complain about the palm pre being too small or not fast but yet own one cause it was boasting one of the best forms and OS when it came out but now you want something bigger... That pen is to the right. Go join the rest of the sheep in that heard... I'm going to the left because that's a wide open field of freedom... Freedom to enjoy what I have and not what the industry is telling me I should have.
Beautiful..simply beautiful man. I totally agree with you. My sister wants to get the BlackBerry Torch. I am disgusted with her. Wanna know her reason for choosing the Torch? "All my friends have it". -________-
I have told her countless times, "WebOs is THE greateat Os out there..just wait for the Pre 2. She got the Torch, and for the past week i've been forced to hear her complain about the Os. I love the form Factor of the Pre, and glad they didn't completly renovate the design of the Pre 2. The only complaint I have is the damn slider..it "Oreo-ed" on me.
yeah i played with the torch this weekend. granted it was only for a few minutes, it frustrated me and made me appriciate my phone (a pre-) alot more... i am happy with this phone, but id b a lier if i said im not really excited for the next round webos devices to drop early next year.
Pre form factor is great for some people like me.
Just release 2 or 3 other forms including the larger slab format that apparently many people are in love with. The market is flooded with look-alike slabs which is the legacy of the Iphone success.
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Me too. Exactly what I wanted.
I do understand, that other people might have other wishes.
But those should also accept, that there are people, who like this present form factor of the Palm Pre.
So HP Palm: Please keep this form factor and improve on it.
ecample:
Utilize the technology advances and don't make it lighter. But decrease the energy consumption and increase the battery capacity.
=> And finally give us 2-4 times the run time of todays Pre.
...and please get the PIM thing sorted out. That was a strong part of palm and really should be for the future.
Thanks.
Because it's a "Pre"2. If you're keeping in the line of a phone, you don't shange the form factor. Otherwise you should just give it a different line name.
That's the best answer i've seen, and makes complete sense.
I would argue that they could have made it a 3.9 inch screen while keeping the same form factor. The keyboard would be a bit larger, but other than that, the same phone, just larger. That would have made it a Pre 2 that existing Pre Plus owners would spend money to get while keeping EVERYTHING else the same.
I love the vertical slider form factor, I just want a larger screen with slightly larger keys on the keyboard.
Maybe we can get more insight into the current Palm - Sprint relationship ... Or lack thereof.
Source name needs to be correct to Web 2.0 Summit, not webOS 2.0 Summit.
Exactly!
Let's be realistic. This isn't going to be anything more than: "look at all the ways HP is using the Web to innovate...have you seen our web-enable printers!?!"
I wish HP worked at bringing us new developments half as quickly as that baby speeds down the highway!
Yup, there won't be any revelations of anything during this thing. It will be more of the same, with "interconnected devices" and "look, the web can be used as an OS".
To put things into perspective and see what the summit is about, here's the full schedule:
http://www.web2summit.com/web2010/public/schedule/full
While I'd normally agree with you about that, take a look at the event ("Special Announcement") at 9:40am on this page:
http://www.web2summit.com/web2010/public/schedule/grid/2010-11-16
Yup I saw that too. One can hope for a big HP-related announcement, but with 10 mins alotted for it, who knows.
Fixed, and thank you. {Jonathan}
I'm sure they will demonstrate flexible displays and webOS printers. w00t!
I am hoping for a announcement of a organized OTA update!
this better be good. I've been playing w/ some android phones and just bought a new ipod touch. While the iOS user interface is terrible (and I mean terrible), the multitasking solution works 'well enough'. As far as the android goes, it's not far behind webOS as far as key features are concerned. That said, some nice new hardware and some API's will be enough to keep the big 2 playing catch up with their software.
Not far behind WebOS? What universe do you guys live in? I like Palm but I feel like I'm surrounded by deluded people when I read some of the comments on here. What features are you referring to?
I'm talking about the user interface, synergy, and the interconnectivity with the web. If we catch up w/ APIs we'd be ahead of the competition in every way (except sales ofcourse).
As far as innovation, simplicity, and design, webos is above android and close to iOS. This is coming from someone who's had several friends with android, originally wanted android, and has iPod touches since itouch 1. As a matter of fact both still have issues with apps just cloasing with no warning. So they arent flawless. Android is an os designed to replace all the dumbphone touchscreens IMO because it works similar to how they work (horrible updating procedures and fragmentation, not super intuitive interface) I simply, at this time, believe webos has the most potential, and is far above android in terms of innovation and such, also PIM, as the email is.horrid on it and calendars don't syncs with anything but google as far as I know.
You do realize iOS doesnt have real multitasking with all there apps, just some services. Those icons you see when you access there "multitask area" are really nothing more than recently viewed/used app icons to where you can launch the app again.
i have a pre and an itouch, i dont think IOS's ui is as bad as your are saying... it doesnt lag at all (cuz its ui is gpu accelerated unlike android AND webos, its leaps ahead in that aspect), is very responsive, with the 4.2 update you have folders for icons, and its universal search works well. can you please explain to me what is so terrible about it?... dont get me wrong here im not some rabbid apple fanboy, i like webos better, but give credit where credit is do, IOS is solid.
hmm, i just got the newest ipod touch and dont like the ui at. all. the notifications are a glaring weakness for one. how can a device recognized for its gaming be so insistent upon interrupting just as i go to swing at a pitch. its equally annoying during other applications aswell.
next up is the multitasking. only saving four states is weak. furthermore there are times when i go to switch apps, the app will quickly terminate itself, losing its state in the process.
the task switcher/killer isnt elegant either. safari froze up wile i was trying to watch a youtube video. the process of killing it is too clumsy. (tap home, double tap home, tap and hold icon, tap tiny icon above icon.... really)
next, the homescreen is underutilized. i dont need widgets, but i should be able atleast change my wifi settings.
how do i import my google contacts?
can i add more searches than wikipedia?
dont get me wrong there are a lot of things to like about the device, like the speed, but the you UI isnt one of them.
I just hope to see the start of an organized agenda for our favorite OS and more up-to-date devices. Or shall I say state of the art phones. They have to give "other" people the want to buy HP Palm phones. "fingers crossed."
TIME: 11:52am
DATE: 11/01/2010
PLACE: HP Corporate Offices
"Send Rubinstein...his team isn't working on anything...."
Lets cross our fingers on a specified OTA update for webOS 2.0, an answer concerning it's relationship (or lack of) w/ Sprint, and Hardware details on next gen webOS hardware!
Show us the goods, JR >=]
I'm wondering why Sprint, who was the 1st to carry webOS, now wants nothing to do with it. The Pre didn't break records in terms of profit sales, but they did do extremely well. With Sprint creating the largest webOS base and then abandoning them...things will get worse. What people don't realize and understand is that we love the technology that we spend our money on...technology that we've grown to be a part of. If for some reason you stop offering what we've grown to love - we'll leave. We frown on other carriers who have tiered data and surcharges up the ying/yang BUT if they can give us what we love...than I guess they win!
IMHO...
I switched from VZW to get the Pre in June '09 so I hope you are wrong regarding Sprint. I think even if Sprint passes on the Pre2, it doesn't mean that they will pass on new devices after CES 2011.
I'm not sure Sprint really has the largest WebOS community, or at least, it's probably closer than you think. Verizon bought nearly a million Pre and Pixi Pluses at launch and seem to have nearly sold them through. I think that puts them pretty close to Sprint's numbers. Might be time for Precentral to do another poll.
Verizon ordered 1 million the first quarter and didn't order anymore in the second quarter which means they didn't sell too well. Add all the various hardware problems I could see why companies will stay away from the Pre 2. I honestly think it will sell rather poorly on Verizon where you can get an Android phone that can do so much more.
Such as . . . ?
Verizon didn't even try to sell them though, they just put them behind a counter without power and had their sales people pushing the Droid phones. That is why they didn't sell well.
When that joke called the Blackberry Torch was launched by AT&T, you saw a TON of interest, because AT&T was pushing sales of the Blackberry Torch and hyped the hell out of it, as if it evolved the smartphone, with features that everyone except RIM/Blackberry already had.
You generate interest by advertising a new phone on TV and making people THINK it has a lot of cool new features(which the Palm Pre did have), yet we didn't see any advertising that did that. I've seen commercials for energy companies on CNBC that would generate more interest than the commercials that Palm and Sprint used for the Pre, and Verizon and AT&T didn't even advertise the Pre Plus, so it is no wonder sales were low.
I am not sure verizon or Att had the same bad experience as Sprint with the Pre. Verizon Pre+ had stable slider. Some problem verizon was software (gps crippling), keyboard stuttering. My pre + problem was failure of microphone but haven't heard many other people mention that and I bought day 1 when released. Replacement now is working perfectly.
As other people said, Verizon didn't sell because their heart wasn't in it. Then they shouldn't be surprised to have poor sales.
VZ ordered 600k Pre's, then cut the order to 400k.
Sprint is believed to have at least 1MM active WebOS remaining remaining.
Any bets on that whole 'WebOS 2.0 will be out before year end 2010' promise will be contorted to mean that they only ment for the Pre 2?
I can't wait till January when it's not out for all Palm devices and everybody starts defending Palm saying, 'they never said it was coming out on all devices, just that it'd be out'.
I hope I get proved wrong though. But, I doubt it.
You're probably right.
Rubinstein's tenure as the CEO of Palm was a trail of double-speak and misleading statements (Chinese New Year, we have enough money to keep going, etc). Why would we expect his WebOS 2.0 promise to be any different?
It seems quite obvious to me that Sprint is just not interested in _this_ phone. Put a wimax radio in it, then maybe. But for now, let's just wait for something more compelling.
And don't be too harsh on Ruby. Yeah, he made a huge blunder with the VZW deal, but he also made a lot of good decisions along they way that kept Palm from going under while he was CEO.
As far as the apparent dishonesty of some of his statements, that's business. Some things don't work out the way you expect, and plans have to change. Sometimes you have to cover a huge mistake so that the bottom doesn't fall out while you figure out your next move. Sometimes telling the truth means losing everything and being personally sued by investors.
what is this "huge blunder with the VZW deal" that you speak of?
He committed to 1M units on a year old device, no way to afford the cost of production, and an inability to incentivize the sales force, when they obviously were getting incentives to sell the Droid. VZW probably didn't give him much choice, but he probably shouldn't have committed to the deal as it was. Palm lost a lot of cash in production, and clogged their distribution with unsold units. That's where the "Chinese new year" cover-up came from that previous posts referred to.
Look, this was a major blunder, but that's easy to see after the fact. I might have made the same decision at the time. (Probably not though, since you can go back and look at my posts at the time praising Ruby for the conservative, take it slow approach he seemed to be taking prior to that.)
If you really want to know why the new hardware everyone wants has been so sllow coming, I would say you can peg it on the VZW deal.
I hope they talk about their plans for webOS Toasters.
ruby's mistakes were plentiful. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he RAN the company, he didn't design the OS, despite his iOS influence.
I don't hate guy. He helped lead the way to what WebOS ultimately is, but as a CEO he made far too many mistakes and misquotes to to deem acceptable.
I don't think he was being dishonest though. Just too heartfelt, and in this business, you sort of need a litte more arrogance (ie. Steve Jobs).
I'm gonna put my WebOS news alarm on snooze for a month and a half. Wake me when CES is here.
Hopefully 2.0 already release by then, but I doubt it.
Well, everyone can have an opinion on what his mistakes were. So, besides the VZW deal, what other mistakes would you say he made in a little over a year as CEO of Palm?
I thought they were keeping Jon locked in the broom closet.
love my sprint pre. Could someone send me an ipk of the new mhs or mytether. Bridgesmob34@aol.com
I know I'm dreaming but I hope that they say "webOS 2.0 will be pushed out to all webOS devices TODAY!" 2.0 will hold me over till we get a new sprint device.
Those alleged 2011 post-Pre2 devices better be good. I'm currently falling under the WP7 spell and hope that HPalm snaps me out of it in time with some gorgeous and powerful devices next year.
Maybe the site got updated (don't know how else it would have been overlooked), but take another look at Tuesday's schedule (for the Grand Ballroom) here:
http://www.web2summit.com/web2010/public/schedule/grid/2010-11-16
It shows "A Conversation with HP" from 9:10am - 9:40am.
IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THAT, there's a "Special Announcement" from 9:40 to 9:50.
To me, that seems like a huge hint that there's the high possibility for something relevant to this webOS community being revealed. The site lists no further details about it, other than the time frame and title.
This seems like something worth updating the above article about - definitely gives me a lot of hope!
-John L. Burger
@JohnLBurger
Too bad Google's Eric Schmidt is opening the conference. So any webOS 2.0 news will be swept under the rug by a Gingerbread announcment.
I saw this on Rahuls twitter about 2-3 hours ago: http://twitter.com/rahulsood/status/3984472907194368
This might not be relevant at all and I don't see any context to it. Could we be getting some news tomorrow that will be detailed at the Tuesday conference.
I saw that too... makes me think. (and hope!)
Hmm. I would think it'll be an interesting announcement then. Mondays always seem to bring something new to brighten my work week.
(crossing fingers for something good)
Looks like we have our answer to what he meant in that tweet: http://www.precentral.net/hp-cto-rahul-sood-steps-down-hp
With the Pre 2 just being released I figure they'll mostly discuss that. They don't want to overshadow it to much.
Guess what?? The Pre2 is going to be released on Verizon! Surprise!
Also there are are more things coming in the future! Surprise again!
There, now I've taken care of the suspense for you.
Add me to that declared minority. I'd like the FF to be one size bigger for a better keyboard, but love the carry over because otherwise this FF is great and our existing batteries and stones are usable.
What do you mean FF?
FF in the tech world is form factor.
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Ok. A conversation w/ HP is from 9-945 and then there is a special announcement @ 945. Now Apple is announcing something @ 10. Call me crazy but I think Apple might know something about this special announcement and is trying to overshadow it w/ their own announcement. Can't wait to see (hear) what it is.