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This is the C40: the Sprint Palm Pre 2 that never was 72

by Derek Kessler Thu, 07 Jun 2012 9:52 pm EDT

This is the C40: the Sprint Palm Pre 2 that never was

By now we all know it's possible, in fact not entirely impractical, to hack a Palm Pre 2 onto Sprint, so long as you're willing to go all MacGyver with a warranty-voiding screwdriver. But it's just not 'right' - there's no Sprint integration, outside of being able to make phone calls, in our use it wasn't exactly the most stable long-term experience. That's what you get with hacked software and hardware, and we expected that. But what if you could have a real, legitimate Sprint Palm Pre 2?

Well, we (as in the world) almost did. What you see above is a Sprint Palm Pre 2, as assembled by Palm themselves. It was the daily driver of a Palm employee for a year, and now we've got it in our hands. Close inspection reveals that this is a Palm-built FrankenPre 2, with the warranty sticker breached and "P100EWW" (Sprint Palm Pre) as the model number under the battery. But something funny happens when you activate it with Sprint. For one, it activates, despite being a second-hand device (something that FrankenPre devices cannot manage). More importantly, interestingly, and revealingly, Sprint recognizes the phone as a "PALM C40".

Sprint Palm Pre 2 activated as Palm C40

Yes, people, we finally know what the C40 of legend was: it was the Sprint Palm Pre. That the device was in Sprint inventory systems and their activation database is telling - Palm was clearly interested enough in getting the Pre 2 onto Sprint that they put together devices to test it out and make it happen. Where things went wrong, we can't be entirely sure, but we're hurting knowing that a Sprint Palm Pre 2 could have been a real thing had Sprint and Palm really wanted it to happen. And it could have been a real thing a long time ago - the C40 first appeared in Sprint inventory systems in August of 2009, just three months after the launch of the original Pre and before the unveiling of the Palm Pixi.

We know that cell phones take a while to develop, both hardware and software, so it's not unreasonable to think that the Pre 2 was in development and angling for a speedy Sprint debut soon after the launch its predecessor. For whatever reason, things didn't work out between Sprint and Palm, so our favorite Sunnyvale-based smartphone manufacturer turned to Verizon, a relationship that went south in a hurry, and expedited the decline of Palm.

Sprint Palm Pre 2 and original Sprint Palm Pre

A few notes on the Sprint Pre 2/C40. It runs webOS 2.2.4 build 145, there is not a webOS Doctor available from the webOS Account management site, though the phone is recognized as a "Palm Pre2 (SPRINT)". The model, according to Device Info, is a P102EWW (CDMA Palm Pre 2), hardware version is D1 (assuming that's a development nomenclature, as every other webOS device we have on hand lists a hardware version of A). Apart from the radio swap, hardware-wise this device appears to be a standard Palm Pre 2.

The phone includes the full suite of Sprint apps, including Sprint TV, NASCAR Sprint Cup Mobile, and Sprint Football Live. None of them worked. There's also a Sprint Music Plus app (version 1.2.4) that ostensibly would allow for downloads of music and ringtones, all billed to your Sprint account. Sprint Music Plus also provides a "Ringback Tone Store", the first and only on a webOS device, allowing you to replace the standard classic ringing sound that callers get with music of your choice. It's not something we have a lot of experience or interest in, seeing as you have to pay Sprint $1.99 per song for the privilege, and that'll only be good an insulting six months. The app, complete with dark blue gradient background, jarring yellow text, and nonstandard pop-up menus, buttons, and loading wheel feels very much like an app built by Sprint.

The Sprint Pre 2/C40 also has a quartet of wallpapers we can't recall seeing on any other webOS device. They're very nature-y, just like we would have expected out of Palm, and they're all included below (in their expected 320x480 resolution, sorry).

C40 Wallpaper C40 Wallpaper C40 Wallpaper C40 Wallpaper

The TouchPad Go was a look into the future that webOS could have had under HP had the rug not been pulled out from under them. The Sprint Palm Pre 2/C40 is a look further back, when the relationship between Palm and Sprint was rosy and things were looking good for the reinvigorated Palm. We can't say for sure whether or not a a Pre 2 on Sprint would have been successful, but that it even existed is a painful reminder of what we as a community missed out on thanks to the infamous fickleness of carriers.

Palm Pre 2 on Sprint

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72 Comments

Yet again... Something that never was.

As far as I am concerned this shows that Sprint killed webOS before Apotheker had the chance.

I am so SAD by this, but SO happy I decided to take my money elsewhere last year. I let Sprint know exactly why we left after a decade when we left, this only proves I was correct in walking away. Never going back to that company!

Sprint wanted the next gen Pre and listed it within their systems and was planning roll out . HP just never got it to a finished state and opened the door for the droid franchise. Even VZ and ATT didn't want the Pre2 for many months. Palm/HP was so devoted to cutting edge technologies, that then NEVER addressed the gaps in basic functionality. I'm not even certain that the Pre3 and Veer today, enjoy clean doc editing as found on the Treo, iPHone and Droids.

My dream replacement of my pre :(

Dude, get a FrankenPre2. I don't know what Derrek is talking about when he says "it wasn't exactly the most stable long-term experience." I've had mine since the day after Rod made it possible, and the only hiccup I had was having to redoctor because I couldn't see pictures in thumbnail view. Other than that, it has been rock solid. If you need or want help, search my name in the marketplace forum or PM me. But if you haven't moved onto another platform yet, the Pre2 is lightyears beyond the OG Pre. Had it been the original pre instead of the oreo sandwich we were given, Palm would not has been bought out, and webOS would be a force in the mobile world today. Bummer really.

+1

Agreed. Wonder why Derrek said that?

You can also get the integration (well, SprintNav and Amazon were all I cared about) back with a few minutes more effort.

Been using my FP2 for 7 months now. Effort is all in the set up/recovery, then you're good. Hardware's vastly improved over a minus. Software was also much more solid when I initially used 2.0 or 2.1 (?). Made the leap to 2.2.4 to get Skype/Enyo... not quite so solid now.

Seriously, how'd the browser go from almost perfect to misrendering img widths and reflows?

I agree with morrison0880. Bought a Verizon Pre2 on eBay and cannibalized my dying Sprint Pre Minus, and have been using my FrankenPre2 for nearly a year now. Rock solid. It really makes me sad that the Pre line got whacked. Great phones. Great experience.

Yet another chace Palm had to turn it around and they blew it. How many chances Palm and HP had to turn it around and they both blew it. What a shame.

Well they couldn't make Sprint carry it. Ultimately, it's the carriers choice (obviously by the Verizon failed deal).

Palm and HP did so many things wrong to consumers, carriers and retailers, it's hard to say Sprint was not fully justified in not adopting the C40. I met a Sprint employee in Summer of 2010 and he was using a next-gen Pre. He said Palm had delivered the proper hardware and the software just needed to be completed because "some basics are still missing". He would not elaborate on what the basics were, but when I mentioned the missing doc editing and promised flash, he smiled and said "I see you know the score". Nice guy, it was clear that he and his brethren wanted to build WebOS into part of the Sprint brand the way ATT did with Apple and Droid did with VZ.

would love a link to download the wallpapers thanks

click wallpaper to see full-size, then right-click, save picture as?

Damn! This just makes me depressed! Well, not really, but it makes me miss webOS and what it could have been. If only webOS could run on my current phone.

Sent from my Sprint Epic 4G Touch

Wounder what happened to/with Sprint/HPalm? But then again, as I recall, the Pre2 was announced in Oct 2011, not be be available in the US till after the 'Think Beyond' event in Feb 2012.

Judging from the recent reports of software changes - I would'nt be supprised if Sprint just ran out of patience.

Sill, I would have popped for that (Sprint Pre2), even though it would have extendracted my comt

Pre2 launched almost immediately in France and a few weeks later in the US as an unlocked, optimized for ATT. Palm made it sound like it was ready to launch on VZ (something VZ denied), but later retracted and said "coming soon", then launched at "Think Again", AFTER announcing Pre3 was "coming soon" to VZ and ATT.

Bummer. I'm still using a FrankenPre2 on Sprint. Its been as reliable as my original Sprint Pre- (which my wife is currently using). I'd say its more useful and reliable than the original, its going on nearly a year of continuous daily service. Everytime I pick up the Pre-, I feel the old frustrations return as its laggy, unresponsiveness gets under my skin.

I'm still entirely WebOS with my FrankPre2 and my 32GB Touchpad. I explained to an interested inquirer that I'm living in technological denial and will continue to do so until the devices die. It nearly happened earlier this week when my Touchpad took a digger off the counter. Ended up with a cracked screen, but the crack makes a hardly noticable arc from the upper left corner, down below the camera just to the edge of the visible screen and then back up to the upper right corner by the power button...

I'm in the exact same boat. Got my FrankenPre2 running perfectly with no blemishes *knock on wood* and my 32GB Touchpad here on my touchstones. I will use these devices until they die beyond repair and I will probably search for replacements then if nothing new on the webOS front is available.

The feel, ease of use and synergistic tie ins of everything makes it so comfortable to use. Yes there are faster, better and more app friendly devices but I still feel like the best phone for me is webOS.

was it hard to do the frankenpre2? i Just picked up a pre 2 and was going to try it. i have taken my pre apart dozen of times for fixes.

Step by step but with a lot of disclaimers...

http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2

The guide that jdevora linked to is the best step by step guide there is and has walked me through the process a couple of times. If you are comfortable with taking apart the hardware then it shouldn't be too difficult at all. Even if you have never used Linux the tools provided and descriptions are very easy to understand and follow.

I have now done 3 FrankenPre2 conversions to Sprint and if you follow the guide and have a little patience things should go great.

Also, if you have any questions feel free to message me here at tmark86. I will be more than happy to answer any questions I can and try and help you out.

Werd bother!

Did the same here, wife and I on the same Franken2 with TouchPad 32s. If only Pre3 was compatible with the Sprint network... I saw a Verizon one for $400... SIGH!

The wet leaves wallpaper is what comes standard on the verizon pixi plus. This is probably my 4th pixi on verizon all due to broken screens and a cheap price on amazon. I'm really good at busting palm screens, pre plus, frankenpre 2 and a plethera of pixi's all dead due to busted screens.

The wet leaves wallpaper is what comes standard on the verizon pixi plus. This is probably my 4th pixi on verizon all due to broken screens and a cheap price on amazon. I'm really good at busting palm screens, pre plus, frankenpre 2 and a plethera of pixi's all dead due to busted screens.

What are you gonna tell us next? They might have even had a Sprint Pre 3? This just keeps adding more salt to our wounds!!!

honestly i'm sure they at some time made a Pre 3 that could run on Sprint. Hell Apple had iphones that ran on Sprint long before Sprint was a carrier. I mean for testing purposes. I think that's simply part of the process for phone makers, to make phones that could run on networks they'd like to sell it to.

Yea, and a Sprint Stingray slab phone :-/

Yes, very early on there was a Sprint Pre 3.

like most, I've moved on to Android - but , man, do I miss webOS.
The calendar and email apps do gmail and google calendar better than the 'native' apps for one...Thanks for another "what if'. I thought I was over you, Palm...I'm not :(

seeing this kind of stuff just kinda makes me sick to my stomach.

i really really loved using webOS and i constantly evangelized it.

it just sucks how everything turned out. after all was said and done, i've ended up on a contract-free iphone 4, and while i do enjoy the access to mainstream apps (and well, to be honest, an app for just about any damn thing i want to do on the phone) it just isn't the same.

i feel absolutely no connection to this device beyond that it does what i need it to. and i really miss that "connected" feeling.

it sucks about how many different ways that things could have gone right, and at every turn, choices were made by all parties involved to make them go as wrong as possible.

How did you manage to be contract free on the iPhone 4?

Just buy the phone for the retail price. You can do that with any phone.

i got it used from a friend who got a 4s, just swapped it over from my ailing pre 2.

I left Sprint because this never happened. Now using a Pre3 on AT&T.

No need to pay AT&T prices to use AT&T with a Pre 3 - search for "Straight Talk" in the forums - works just as well for half the price.

I certainly would have bought one.... For all the apps my two android replacement phones and my iPhone 4s have delivered me, I really miss synergy and type to search, my physical keyboard and webOs' unparalleled multitasking and notifications...and using my touchpad reminds me so much of my pre minus I end up trying to backswipe on it and everything else afterwards...Sigh....

Seeing this now does let one connect the dots. For all intents the Pre2 was to be on Sprint. It was the fix for the OG Pre. Problem was Sprint by that point must have been so F'd up with the exchanges they had to do on first one. They just up and passed on this. VZ was lined up for the 2 so they had to take it. Did they push it? Only half heartily, trying with all their might to move people to the Droid.

Now move it up past to HP. Sprint being burned by the first Pre, had totally soured on Palm in whatever it was. It's just a sad state for such a promising product. Cheers WebOS.

I Love WebOS so much that I can not stop thinking about having enough devices for the rest 10 Years including my TP.

I feel so great since I use WebOS devices, they are so cool. Sprint stinks

considering i hated this form factor this would not have gotten me to buy another Pre at the time. Again, it was just more of the same. I fully understand why Sprint would not want it if they felt they were burned on the original Pre because i wouldn't want this. I think this is more aimed at the people that were satisfied with their original pre. Unfortunately that wasn't me. By that time i was holding out for a keyboardless pre.

That`s what happen when people getting creepy..

I honestly feel that Sprint management was bought off and paid to support Android at all costs, even if it meant killing webOS and taking a kindling of negative PR concerning mediocre hardware and brewing it into a wildstorm. Apparently the lining of Sprint's pockets by Google and HTC began even earlier than I originally suspected.

As a point of evidence, last year I swapped a defective Pre- at the Sprint store. All 3 replacements they provided me during one single visit were all defective despite supposedly having been inspected prior to distribution and being "refurbished" by Sprint. Why, so generate negative buzz amongst both consumers and retail store clerks so that they can offer you an Android as an alternative. Why would such activity be allowed to take place unless there was money at stake at all levels?

If Sprint would have permitted early upgrades to the installed base of Pre owners to a Pre2, webOS really would have been competitive with iOS and certainly given Android and BB a run for their money.

Still hoping that open webOS will result in webOS on Android hardware and possibly even Android app compatibility.

Hmmm, interesting. It would be nice to have more choices than iOS and Android.

Not so nefarious -- Sprint's refurb system is terrible. I was a Sprint retailer all the way from the beginning of their system in late 98? up to 2005, and they'd have to not only convince me that there were no other phones other than refurbished units available, but probably also pay me money to take a refurbished unit from them.

When we received a case of 10 or 20 refurbs (depending on the size of the packaging of each one), we would check them all, and invariably at least 90% of them would go right back to the repair center to be replaced with more refurbs, which would again 90% of them be highly defective. It was actually even worse when Sprint carried the first couple of CDMA Nokia models -- those would come from the factory brand new non-functioning.

I appreciate the insiders perspective, so basically Sprint sucks. Very disappointing nonetheless as it reflects a poorly run company that to a certain degree shot itself in the foot and certainly played a big hand in the demise of webOS as we knew it. Hoping the the Phoenix Force can resurrect mutantkind (cough), I mean the webOS Nation ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_vs._X-Men

interesting theory. So you had 4 Palm devices and all 4 were defective even the brand new one and you think Sprint involved in a nefarious plot. That the devices had nothing to do with their opinion. Or maybe they just didn't like that so many phones where defective to begin with. Clearly you're forgetting Occam's Razor.

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I can certainly understand how recent "developments" are impacting webOS, and how some see its' future with a lot less hope. Spurned by developments that include a significant work-force reduction at HP, as well as a pretty decent thesis on the history of HP/Palm's bi-polar affair.
These events make for good effect.

The prevailing opinion that webOS is finished (except as a niche market), is more or less thee prevailing opinion these days. At least as far as the grim reapers see it.

I might describe it as an End Result, fueled by recent publicity that goes to the hearts of HP shareholders, and how they view their investments - while being told their company is lacking a presence in one of the fastest sectors of the tech market. A market in which they were just getting their feet wet.

While we see and hear growth all through the tech industry, HP is proposing to shed somewhere in the neighbourhood of 27000 employees. Big numbers, no matter how there are 350 thousand currently within HP. Some of those reductions will be retirements, and some will easily find work elsewhere. Or so says Ms. Kalla:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susankalla/2012/05/31/tech-faces-manufacturi...

"Tech is a growth sector that could add a net of 73,000 jobs in the US this year."

From a business perspective, HP trimming the fat is not so much essential, but more simply a good direction for the company. It needs to shed the excess associated with its' dueling operations. A philosophy that is counter to one of webOS`s great features - synergy.

For HP, there are a number of options that could unfold. Of course Shareholders will pay more attention to all of this. They need to see the share value - that Leo last left his hands on - rise back to where it was before Leo first let his hands on.

What could make HP unique out there, if it was wishing to reestablish itself in the mobile market, is the ability to differentiate itself.
Aside from Apple, no company has overwhelming conscious amongst the Tech community. No doubt there are significant Android companies out there, but none meet Apple's abilities or skills.

For HP, they've been a top dog for a number of years. To shareholders hoping to reignite their stock, that top dog needs to return not just in raw numbers, but also in the minds of the tech world. That takes money. To HP, one billion is never easy to gamble away. But combining webOS into another OS - dual booting - could allow HP to offer tablets that can combine Windows & webOS, or Android & webOS. Options that allow HP to be that real difference, that allows them to rise above Apple to a position Shareholders believe they belong.
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"allow HP to offer tablets that can combine Windows & webOS, or Android & webOS"

There's nobody asking for that though. People are barely buying android tablets. That's not gonna make them any more money. And honestly webos isn't exactly adding much value to that. It's got a tiny base of interested people but that's it. They'd need to make drastic changes and honestly HP ain't investing billion in webos. that's fantasy. they are in cost cutting mode.

Couple of points to your post:

1) I never said HP would invest billions into webOS. I was referring to new hardware, that could cherry pick from previous devices. No reason why the Touchpad can't be juiced up (new & better cameras), while dual booting on Android & Open webOS. Or the pre3 with dual boot Android & webOS, could become the pre4 (or whatever name that might develop). Add a few touch phones (without the keyboard), and the complement of devices could help webOS gain traction.

2) Nobody asking for them? To some degree that's correct. But that's because no hardware is being forecasted with webOS as the operating system. If HP renews webOS in some form (ie. dual boot) on a tablet (Touchpad Go or revamped Touchpad), the process for webOS renewal could begin. Then phones can make their way into the fold.

3) webOS not adding value? I beg to differ. Granted webOS needs torquing with respect to its software (besides apps & such), but if you read any number of tech blogs - even those who forecast webOS's death, they all say it was a great OS. And for those who were exposed to webOS for the 1st time, when the firesale happened (and after the update), the response was positive.

I know a good number of tech blog opinions suggest HP can't resurrect webOS onto their tablets because the hardware gang is gone, and the software folks are leaving in droves. But I can't help thinking that this doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing.

1) The hardware guys had problems - as it was probably Palm's achilles heel. New technology keeps arriving, and "different" Engineers could rectify the issues HP/Palm had with their hardware.

2) The Software - apps aside - may have seen crucial members leave. But seeing some of the homebrew crowd like webOS Internals, existing HP software Engineers (younger & possibly with new ideas - that the original crowd may not have seen), as well as these up-and-coming operations like the Phoenix group (whoever that may be), one can only imagine there is plenty of talent out there to boost webOS. Fact is, the ideas seem more frequent from them, then from those who've left. webOS needs fresh faces, and fresh ideas to make it grow beyond the current grind.

I'm not suggesting all this will happen. I'm just painting a picture of how HP has the capability to counter what the Wall Street tech specialists are saying .... that HP needs to get their asses back into the mobile end of technology. And that they can't do it as just another small (or bit) player. HP has to go big - just as their size dictates. Being one of many Android or Windows players is not what a Leader does. And for the most part, HP was a leader in the PC hardware business - even if a good chunk of it was pushing ink.

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HP does not need their own OS to be in the tablet and phone business.

You are not wrong.
HP has built a successful business with Microsoft providing the software. They could do the same for phones & tablets.

The only difference here is, the 2 Big players in this current mobile market (phones & tablets), includes one who manhandles both the software and hardware side of this battle, with the other aiming (via Motorola), to be rock solid on both sides (as well).

HP is not some peon company. They have been the #1 Hardware maker for a few years. Or at least until they bought enough companies (lol). Relinquishing that mantra to Apple, and possibly to Google as well, is not something I see HP letting happen so easily.

It boils down to Shareholders looking not just to stop the shares from deflating, but to see them gain lost ground. In the end, Share values will dictate what HP does - not our desire to see webOS excel. Or for some - celebrate the cynical side to its' demise.

As I said, HP can - if they so desire - have their own OS, plus have others. It may in fact help HP regain its' dominance by way of multiple options. Capturing enough of each group to create a whole greater than Apple & Google.

The ipad may always sell the best amongst tablets, no matter what is done. However, HP could exceed ipad numbers in a congregated way, by virtual of having several options (webOS, Android, Windows). No different then Android being the top OS in phones, despite Apple's iphone remaining the #1 phone.

For HP to find its way back to the top - and I suspect they feel they belong there (part of their problem) - HP needs to do more than just join a group. They need to have their own. Just like the other Big Boys.

That's why I feel HP needs webOS - even as you feel they don't. They have written down their investment in Palm, so the risks are minimal. The hardware specs must still be hanging around, including those we never got to see. The real question is .... What has HP got to lose? Certainly they have something to gain, being No. 1 again - the Big Boy in this game.

Shareholders would be happy.

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HP is a commodity supplier, and even there, they are getting very shaky. Their self proclaimed "HP Invent" was a comprehensive total failure. The only way to be a successful commodity supplier, is super tight supply agreements. There is no room in low margin sales to invent anything or significantly differentiate your product.

The only space HP has been the least bit inventive in was printers. Printers are about as important going forward as fax machines. Mobile and document mobility is the future. Two distinct failure zones for HP.

My first webOS device was the VZW Pre Plus in February 2010 and I loved it. I never had any of the problems I heard others complain about (like the Oreo effect). Sure it had its moments of laggyness, but so did every other phone at the time. Are you gonna tell me that the original Droid was buttery smooth? Every friend's Droid I ever saw was just as laggy & slow as my Pre if not worse

The iPhone 3GS was better about how smooth the interface was, but it was (and still is two years later) just not a very interesting OS. Anything interesting that can be done on any iPhone (except Siri, now) comes from third party apps -- apps that COULD be done on any OS.

webOS offered plenty of features that made it unique and more than just a multitasking UI over what iOS & Android offered such as:
*Touchstone's inductive charging
*meta-controls (e.g. Gesture area + C to copy text)
*Synergy
*The awesome notification bar

Other OSs wouldn't start to incorporate some of these features (like Synergy & better notifications) until after webOS planted that seed. Others (like meta-controls & Touchstones) still cannot be coppied.

webOS still has so much to offer (me, at least) over other platforms, I don't plan to switch until my Pre 3 dies. I'm missing out on lots of awesome apps the other platforms have (and part of me has had to make peace with that), but the app selection is not what drives me. I see nothing on other platforms that is so important that I need to have it. Sorry for the rant.

This made me remember the dayz what is the C40? And now we know much to late :(

I still cry a bit when I think if what could have been. Wow, I can't believe we had a Pre2 planned... I held out hope for so long!

This is so sad....while I love modern phones, I'll always have a place in my heart for the Pre. I know everyone harped on the hardware, but it's still probably my favorite form factor of any phone, and I think it (and webOS) were simply gorgeous. To think of what could have been... :(

I would have stayed on Sprint if that phone came out.... but I do love my AT&T Pre 3. Just wish I had an unlimited everything plan still.

wow....thanks for the wallpaper.....and this great article

the question is how much for this jewel.....and if there's one there has to be more somewhere I assume?

I love my frankinpre2 and also have it pretty much bug free but my pre- had to take the ultimate sacrifice to make it happen.....sprint is to blame for this C40 abortion!!

So when is the article entitled "Exclusive: Hands-on with the Palm slab phone... that you can never have" coming?

So I have to ask, where can I buy one? I went from a Sprint Palm Pre to a Sprint Frankenpre 2 and now on a Sprint Palm Pixi, i'd move to a full blown Sprint Pre 2 in a heartbeat. I'll pay handsomely for it :-)

Nice, i'm glad these mysteries are getting answered. Overall im glad I switch from Sprint to ATT, Pre3 baby!

It was Palm's lack of long term vision that killed the Pre and WebOS. Refusing to adapt their hardware to the evolving market of keyboardless phones and larger screens did them in. You can't blame Sprint for looking at it and saying "you guys are really going to follow up the Pre with a vertical slider, small screen and a small keyboard? PASS".

I switched to the Veer on ATT from Sprint and it has been a great experience. The Veer is kind of quirky, but it works great for me. ATT's coverage is far superior to Sprint's. Webos is much more refined than the previous versions. They can be had for cheap on Ebay and you also have unlimited options on Straight Talk for $45.

The wallpapers from this article have now been posted in the forums so you can click the link next to the image and email them to your phone. =] At least we can have something from that phone.

http://forums.webosnation.com/320-x-480-pre-pre-plus-pre2/315734-sprint-...

Google killed webos. All the carriers got in bed with them. Google doesnt want to allow competifion. they are bankrupting companies and forcing inovators to use theyre android system by pure hype and bullying and pressure

Not a material concern here. Nobody hurt Palm/HP as much as Palm/HP. Palm throughout what they were good at. Came to market with a plastic wafer that lacked functionality. Never brought promised upgrades. Lied and hid the truth. Kept introducing new o/s assembly requirement for apps.....Palm HP wrote their own eulogy. They saved Google and Apple the trouble, by killing the best o/s available.

Just what we all were waiting for...another tiny pre with a cramped keyboard that aches finger tips. Whoever designed this phone didn't do proper consumer product testing.

I have a testicle of your choosing here for the one who will - regardless of legality - get me that #%^ing PRL updater from that!!!!

FrankenPre2 HUNGRY!

You can do a manual PRL update with the instructions on the FrankenPre2 website. As for me, I will keep my FrankenPre2 until either another webOS phone comes out, or OpenSource allows it to be installed on a separate phone.

grrrrr

This phone I would have bought. Oh well, I still love my franken pre.

I originally frankenpre'd with an unlocked GSM Pre 2. Then I was like "Why am I paying over $70 a month for an unreliable network that can't even do voice and data simultaneously?" Bought a straight talk sim, unfrankenpre'd, and never looked back. $45/month. No contract. Better coverage/signal than sprint. GSM, so voice and data together works fine.

So, there are options for sprint users. The best option is to simply drop them. The part that sucks is that I actually paid to get out of a ATT contract JUST so I could move to sprint for the Palm Pre.

From what I've been told, Sprint was VERY disappointed by the quality of the Pre. In fact, supposedly Sprint felt that Palm misled them regarding certain components in the phone. *shrug* It is possible Palm took some shortcuts to get the Pre to market that cost them their relationship with Sprint.