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Clearwire moves some eggs out of WiMax basket, to trial LTE 34

by Derek Kessler Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:44 am EDT

As The World Turns, Wireless Standards Edition

Sprint’s quasi-subsidiary former-underling Clearwire is moving against the WiMax or the highway attitude with the recent announcement that they intend to start LTE trials this year. Clearwire, who offers Clear 4G WiMax service in cities around the nation and shares their network with Sprint (and visa versa), hasn’t been quiet about their awkward courtship with LTE despite the rocky marriage with WiMax. In fact, it was just about a year ago that Clearwire started making noise about LTE.

So what does this mean for Palm and Sprint? For one, it means that Clearwire doesn’t have an exclusive relationship with Sprint, and if it sees more potential in LTE (let’s be honest here, who doesn’t?) it could shut down or switch over those single-network WiMax towers to LTE to be used by Verizon and AT&T and everybody else on the planet. For Palm it could spell trouble if they’re working on a WiMax device for Sprint.

But in all reality, if Clearwire were to decide to make the switch to LTE, it’d probably go something like the switchover to GSM currently being executed by Telus and Bell up in Canada – they turned on the HSPA+ network back in November 2009 and their CDMA network is still running concurrently with a few million customers on board. It'll be years before they can shut it down without angering hundreds of thousands of customers. If it weren’t for the customers these standards switches could happen overnight, but for now we can dream of Clearwire offering service to both WiMax and LTE customers in a happy land of compatibility.

Via: Engadget; Source: Clearwire

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Ooops! EVOlution might leave some droids-of-the-week behind. How's that 4G surcharge feeling now in the unserviced areas (most of them)?

I don't mind the surcharge because I live in a 4G area. Now if I wasn't living in a 4G area I might be mad. Just so everybody knows, Sprint owns 51% of Clearwire's stock, so I'm pretty sure Sprint has a lot to do with what Clearwire does when it comes to 4G.

LOL.

The $10 surcharge is wonderful. I ran up 25 GB of Mobile data last month on 3g, and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it.

I pay the $10 for unlimited mobile data in addition to the 4g.

I ran up 28gb the wife was over 3gb 129.99 family plan plus I have 4G on my Evo wife Palm pre.Sprint has already stated they can switch to LTE if necessary so no worries

LMAO I trump all of you I average 22Gb a month on my air card and 10 on my Pre but yet my bill never seems to change ....3G grandfathered in with a 5G cap but no overage charges...ha! Oh they try to slow my speed down but thanks to a signal booster no 1x BS for me ha!ha!

love the graphic :)

+1

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Wow.....could be a real reason why no new Palm hardware. Cell companies need to make up there minds on what there next gen service will be so cellphone makers can build there next gen phone. Kinda like what comes first.....chicken or the egg.

No new hardware is likely a matter of excess inventory from the flat launches at ATT and VZ, and HP wanting a fully API'd O/S for the WebOS relaunch. Wimax availability is so spotty in the near term, I dont think its a game changer for what would primarily be used on EVDO over the life of most contracts.

This is exactly why I was saying Palm shouldn't be working on a WiMax device. Before Palm joined HP the cost of developing a device virtually only for Sprint seemed like a completely stupid business idea, with HP's funding there's a bit more too it but it still doesn't make much sense. While it might be easy to transition between WiMax and LTE it still doesn't make sense to develop for WiMax right now.

For HTC and Samsung to create WiMax devices for Sprint is completely different than for Palm. HTC and Samsung already have lots of other devices they can sell to all carriers to make up the loss-leader that is creating a new technology launch device. Sure Palm probably could leverage most of the hardware from a new 4G device to create CDMA-only and GSM/HSPA versions but the added cost probably isn't worth it for being a flagship device just for Sprint (small market as it is and the 4G market is even smaller).

LMAO love the gfx :D

Agreed, Derek, you have outdown yourself. Huzzah!

ROFLMAO, EPIC graphic. Awesome!

Palm is working on a new device?

I could almost guarantee they are working on a new device. Of course nobody really KNOWS if they are working on a new device. We can only hope right. And believe me, the WiMax/LTE situation is NOT the reason they haven't come out with one yet.

I can't say this analysis makes much sense. Sprint currently owns 56% or so of Clearwire, so if Clearwire switches technology all it means is Sprint's 4g will go from being wimax to LTE. And Sprint execs have been saying as much when they've been asked about wimax vs. LTE.

Hey! Someone with logic like me :)

This isn't surprising. Clear has said they weren't married to Wimax and Sprint has said the same thing. Wimax's availability lead vs LTE was originally something like 2-3 years but has kept shrinking. Yes, Wimax on Clear will reach 120 million people in the US this year, but, with the LTE rollout beginning in 2010, LTE will probably match this by end of 2011. With most handset and equipment manufacturers behind LTE instead of Wimax, Clear is bowing to the inevitable reality that LTE appears to be the long-term winner and they will have to switch over or else their network will have higher costs, less choice for customers, and less revenue from network sharing agreements.

Overall, it's a good thing. If Clear ends up switching to LTE, all major carriers in the US will be behind one standard for the first time and that will mean better coverage/roaming, better choice of handsets (and being able to continue to use your existing handset if you switch networks - assuming universal phones could handle some of the remaining incompatibilities*).

Clear has said that switching to LTE would be relatively straight-forward - being a software change. No doubt the trial is meant to validate their software and work through some of the details (options) on how they would make the migration and cutover. Supposedly, they could support both Wimax and LTE simultaneously while they switch Wimax users to LTE.

*Note that, though the networks would all be supporting a unified 4G standard, US handsets might still be incompatible when it comes to the 2G/2.5G/3G protocols that they support (Verizon/Sprint will still be supporting CDMA/EVDO, whereas ATT/TMobile will support GSM/HDSPA). Also, please note there is still no unified standard for 4G voice AFAIK.

wimee? Awesome!

this will take some time. I'm not concerned. By the time it all gets switched to LTE(a year or 2)the new successor to the Palm Pre will be released at the same time at this rate. And there will only be a dozen of us still using Palm devices. To me it's a meh whatever thing. Makes no difference I don't have a 4G device.

A dozen people on Palm devices by the time the next phone comes out? I'm calling foul on this one.

Not like I'll have coverage from either here anytime soon here in paradise. Steady EVDO is all I really need, enough for a steady a/v stream with no hitches. Two devices from now, I'll be worried about 4G coverage.

Where's paradise?

Lancaster County, Pennsylvania!

New England, nearest proper "city" is about 20 miles away and hasn't been on the 4G schedule yet for any carrier. So I figure I'm about 12-18 months from finding my first solid 4G signal in my professional territory or home range. I'll support a shift to LTE if rollout is soon. Sprint better take good care of their Wimax folks, not a big crowd, but they need every customers they can keep.

Are you near Worcester, then? 'cause that's the nearest/only other city in New England after Boston/Cambridge that I would consider proper.

+1 for the graphic

I very much hope Palm is working on a WiMax device because I want it to come out yesterday. The LTE network may be launching soon, but that will only be for laptop cards. LTE phones won't be coming out until sometime next year. By the time LTE phones are coming to market, any WiMax-only phone will be nearing it's end of life.

Dan Hess and Sprint have been boasting that they have the extra bandwidth to run both WiMax & LTE at the same time. When LTE takes over, legacy WiMax will be Sprint and Clearwire's burden to bear, not HPalm's or ours.

I'd like to direct EVERYONE to this link, which (at least to this guy) seems to show that LTE and WiMAX will live in harmony and will not spell bad for Sprint or Palm.
http://www.4gwirelessjobs.com/articles/article-detail.php?WiMAX-versus-L...

Could a Dual mode radio be possible for what might be Palm's next (4g hopefully) phone? Like a radio that could switch on the fly between LTE and Wimax? Like the blackberries that do CDMA in the states and GSM abroad?

"There had always been speculations about the competing wireless technologies in the past, such as GSM versus CDMA. In this battle the scenario was different, where both the technolgies had a completely different interface for their operation, but CDMA proved to be far beyond GSM considering the number of subscribers in the market. It was also said that CDMA performs better than the GSM based interface. Every upcoming technology wants to surpass its competitor in some way or the other. At present, a similar scenario is observed with WiMAX and LTE. WiMAX deploying companies are in a rush to establish their very high-speed IP-based technology worldwide before LTE begins to mark its presence in the market.

WiMAX is being deployed at a steady pace worldwide and will try to grab major customers in the market. One must not forget the fact that in the U.S., North America's two leading wireless providers, namely, AT&T and Verizon Wireless has been roped to provide LTE services in U.S. And one must also not forget that Clearwire and other major vendors of WiMAX have already developed WiMAX base stations and is far beyond LTE deployment at present.

WiMAX would provide backhaul to the large customers and LTE may be roped in to provide access to them after 5 to 10 years down the lane. Originally WiMAX was being designed as a backhaul technology which may prove this technology to be a strong backhaul service provider. Neither of the technologies would displace eachother as the customers will have a choice of selecting the best option viable to them by considering the most reliable service provider, which is bound to be diversified within the masses.

Since Wi-Fi cannot be replaced totally by either WiMAX or LTE due to its vast recognition and usage by customers, it does not seem that LTE or WiMAX would compete thoroughly with each other, but rather be dependent on each other to provide valuable and high-speed services to their consumers with effect to their strengths and advantages."

As I understand it, WIMAX is a better technology for stationary broadband (homes and buildings and such), but LTE does a better job for mobile because of how it handles passing between towers. I know there is a mobile WIMAX too, but I'm not sure if it's still on-par with LTE; but I'm guessing that employing both technologies was Clearwire's plan all along. What better way to get into both markets (mobile and stationary) simultaneously? Also, I could envision a smart phone with a dual WIMAX/LTE chip (I think Samsung is making one now) that uses LTE when out in the world, but switches the signal to WIMAX when you get it home, and use it as your remote control and internet feed to stream Netflix and Hulu to your wireless-HDMI tv. Spread out the demand, and let the technologies do what they do best, because, well, they can.

Here is an article on Gizmodo about it, with the full press release.
http://gizmodo.com/5604725/clearwire-conducting-trials-on-coexistence-be...
I like how they specifically pointed out their channels will be twice as fat as other LTE competitors.

best graphic EVER!

Visa versa?? How about "vice versa".