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The Competition: Windows Phone 7.5 Mango 80

by Tim Stiffler-Dean Thu, 29 Sep 2011 5:10 pm EDT

If you hadn't realized it yet, another big competitor in the smartphone market has made some pretty massive steps this past week to take ground from current behemoths Apple and Google. Microsoft made Windows Phone 7.5 Mango available to nearly all WP7 device owners just a few days ago, and while our sister-site WPCentral has been doing a phenomenal job at showing off all of the new features, we wanted to give a closer look at the OS ourselves to determine how it compares to the current iteration of webOS. 

There are some similarities between WP Mango and webOS, the least of which is the multitasking card-metaphor shown above (photo Dan Nosowitz of PopSci), but it's hard to deny that these changes, no matter how blatently they are copied from webOS, are a great move for Microsoft. HTC's own executives endorsed WP7 in a big way recently, saying that they "... believe that Windows Phone 7 will eventually be better than other platforms and will give Android a run for its money."

Is all of the hype really warranted? Is Microsoft taking the best parts of webOS and preparing to succeed in the smartphone market (just as they took some of our developers)? Or are they doomed to the same fate as HP in the long run? Hit the break to read more about what WP 7.5 Mango brings to the table, and see if there is anything we can learn to keep our own platform alive..

Having owned a WP7 device myself for a while, I was looking forward to the Mango update that came out a few days ago. Like the major updates for webOS that have been released a couple times a year, Mango was supposed to take the WP7 experience to a new level. It brings a multitasking behavior that is eerily similar to webOS, better notifications that don't interrupt your workflow (again, like webOS), tighter integration with social networks like Facebook and Twitter (known to us as webOS Synergy); plus a slew of improvements for features that are unique to WP7, like Live Tiles and XBox Live. And I've got to say it right up front, even though there isn't an app available for it yet, Scrapbook actually looks pretty cool.

Though these improvements are very good, they don't quite do everything I would have liked. The new multitasking feature is a great example of this: Hold down the back button to go into "card view" and see all of the apps you currently have open and quickly switch between each one. The limitations are seen when you realize that developers have to build their apps to specifically to take advantage of the multitasking APIs. Music apps don't continue to keep running in the background unless they are built to do so (this seems to be a problem for every platform except webOS). Microsoft needs to incentivize their 50,000 member developer community to update their apps to work with this new system, otherwise it's very nearly impractical to have at all. I cannot tell you how annoyed I get when I go into an app and find that it has frozen while I was "multitasking". It is 2011, I shouldn't have to reload a web page when I switch from an app back to the browser. 

Notifications continue to stay out of the way so that you can continue doing whatever it is you're doing without responding immediately to that text message or email you just got. An extension of these notifications comes with Live Tiles, which I personally love. If you go to your home screen, for example, the Email app "tile" will spring to life and show you how many messages you need to respond to, the weather app will show the current temperature outside, and that favorite game of yours will show if someone beat your high score. Developers can add their own functionality to these Live Tiles as well, which further extends not just the unobtrusive notifications, but the efficiency by which we can use these devices. Unfortunately, and unlike webOS, there is no way to interact with these notifications without stopping what you are currently doing and going into the app that the notification corresponds to (which you can do by using the new multi-tasking feature, but that's still not the most power-user friendly way of doing things).

WP7 Mango brings something else to the table that webOS does not have - enhanced Twitter integration with contacts. Much like webOS Synergy integrates apps like Facebook and Google (and any other services that a developer wants to hook into), Mango integrates these services (and now adds Twitter to that list) in a more fantastic way than webOS has been able to. From one screen you can not only see someone's latest status updates from their connected networks, but you can call them, send a text, reply via Twitter, start an IM conversation or look at their photos without pausing to think about what you're doing. Mango doesn't allow contact data manipulation like webOS Synergy does, but let's get real here, when's the last time a developer built an app to tie into webOS Synergy API's? Which is sad, because Enhanced Synergy was the feature I was most excited for when 2.0 was released.

There are few other features that really stand out in Mango: You can arrange your contacts into groups right on the device so that you can see all of your friends or family or co-workers in one place. There's face-detection for your photos that will make sharing those pics you took at last night's party much easier to deal with than ever before. You can even search the web for information using your camera, which does a quick scan and then searches Bing for relevant information. Microsoft has tried to make WP7 a "more connected device", which is very appealling to a vast majority of users out there who want to keep in touch with their friends and co-workers in a fun way.

Lastly, Mango has really improved the user experience in a lot of ways just by pretty-fying everything. The designs feel much more polished than the last iteration of WP7, and the eye-candy of navigating through applications and scenes is warmly welcomed. The OS feels faster, too (insanely good boot times compared to webOS devices) and I have yet to see any stuttering or stalling while getting down and dirty with my apps, which almost makes up for the sad attempt to bring multitasking to the phone or become more developer friendly. It's hard to talk down on the device for very long, though, and not just because there are plenty of good features in Mango - very simply, you can't say much bad about Microsoft's work when your own platform of choice is undeniably on the lower rung.

WP7 Mango is a big step for Windows Phone lovers and developers out there, and I'm glad to see it finally arrive after all this time waiting. I have often said that the natural transition for webOS users when they need to find a new device (since HP isn't making anymore) would be to go to WP7, and with WP 7.5 Mango it's even easier to stand by that word. Mango still needs some help with certain features (and that app catalog needs to be filled up a lot more), but it's well on the way to becoming a great mobile operating system that many people will enjoy using; something that webOS might have experienced if the right people had been in charge of its future.

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Microsoft is still behind and will stay behind Apple and Google. The fact that it took them 5 years to respond to original iPhone shows how bad the company is.

The only thing working for them is the amount of spare money. They still have cash to burn for couple more years.

Who cares. They are mimicking the greatest OS's multitasking ability. More power to em.

"They still have cash to burn for couple more years."

LOL. If by "couple", you mean the remainder of our lifetime and beyond, sure. They made enough PROFIT last quarter alone (over $5 billion) to offset the majority of Windows Phone R&D thus far. The Activesync patent that allows them to keep making money from every iPhone and Android device on the planet more than pays for the rest.

Microsoft is like every OS. Way ahead of the competition in some areas. Behind them in others.

The Groups feature of Mango is mass social integration brought local and WAY beyond the competition. Zune is the best music player on a mobile device right now. The integration of contacts, photos, and native Twitter/Facebook feed support all in one "hub" is also WAY beyond the comp. And only Apple is wringing that kind of UI smoothness out of relatively ancient hardware like a first gen Snapdragon.

In PC market they are loosing. Mac share is growing everyday. Large corporations have not yet upgraded to Windows 7. Bing is a joke even after few years. Their satellite images are couple of years behind and the search is a joke. Hotmail ? who uses it ?

The only money making units are the Office and Xbox. Win 8 preview looked like Microsoft is going to introduce a half baked OS.

And, they are working on a mobile phone since 2007 ? Reeeeeally ? In all honesty their only asset is the cash they have now. Don't dream of the Android licenses, before we know Android will fragment.

Uh.....

M$ sells a copy of Windows7 like every 3 seconds or some such ridiculous number. Mac share growing? Really? When even Apple admitted the iPad was cannibalizing their pc sales.

O_O

I am not here to debate, ask HP why they want to abandon the PC business all together.

FYI,
Microsoft used to sell Windows XP like every second. The point is how quick are you to update your software. I used to be a Windows Mobile 6.1 user, *Yawn*. That was five years back. And now I am sitting patiently for a decent Mobile system from Microsoft.

Studies over the past months (Feb-August) has Bing and even the Y! ahead of Google in relevancy.

http://www.brafton.com/news/experian-bing-and-yahoo-have-higher-search-s...

Hotmail has its fair share of users and that cant be scoffed at.

As for the PC business, the relevant studies use the term to mean 'personal computer' and not necessarily Windows. It is a fact that even Apple, like Windows-based OEMs (Acer, Dell, HP, Toshiba...) is seeing declining personal computer sales. The simple reason is because tablets and smartphones are becoming more capable and can easily handle the everyday tasks of a majority of consumers (social networking, email, browsing, some gaming).

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/08/17/is-the-ipad-now-cannibalizing-the...

HP has simply seen the writing on the wall like IBM 5-6 years before it (remember what Apple's PC market share looked like back then?). The way they see it, its better to sell now while its still worth something. PCs as we know them will likely become specialized w/ expensive niche markets (high-end gaming, CAD, engineering...).

"PCs as we know them will likely become specialized w/ expensive niche markets (high-end gaming, CAD, engineering...)."

Oh yeah, I remember people saying the same thing about PCs in the era of the "network computer" too.

Meanwhile, PC sales are up 6%, while Apple has slashed tablet production by 25% for Q4 (and sell-through is slowing, according to retailers).

Following the tablet hype is a big piece of the reason why HP is in trouble. If they'd focused on simplifying their PC line and getting webOS smartphones up to speed, they'd be doing loads better right now (and we'd all be using HP Pre4 4G handsets right now).

'Oh yeah, I remember people saying the same thing about PCs in the era of the "network computer" too.'

Only problem is, now, there is actually a substantial infrastructure in place that could support and serve "network computers". I predict at least an attempted resurgence of the Network PC before too long.

Please think before you write something like these comments. Seriously? In the PC market Microsoft is losing with Mac share growing everyday?
For example, you actually need to look at the numbers and think when a blog like BGR or someone posts that Microsoft lost PC OS market share and Apple gained. The numbers in their latest example were "Windows again dipped 0.592% to land at 77.7% for the month of September. The Windows OS has now dropped a total of 1.35% since July. Apple’s OS X platform showed the biggest gains in the month, jumping 1.039% to hit double digits at 10.6%."

I wouldn't say the sky is falling quite yet when Ballmer still owns 78% of the market. smh

I did,
hence I wrote.

check some numbers
in 2010

http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-market-share-surges-in-u-s/

from 2011

http://osxdaily.com/2011/03/18/mac-market-share-around-the-world-usa-15-...

I remember Mac was just 5% years back. It takes time to get market share from established player. Next 10 years will be Mac time.

Look at the table
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-boosts-market-share-in-slumpin...

We can agree to disagree, but I would bet that Microsoft will somehow hold on to their lead for a while yet. Who know's what true cloud computing adoption will be and who wins that transition, but even Windows 7 is doing better than you think.

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Gartner research press release:
"Gartner Says Windows 7 Will Be Running on 42 Percent of PCs in Use Worldwide By the End of 2011"
Improvements in IT Budgets Are Accelerating Windows 7 Deployments in Enterprise Markets in U.S. and Asia/Pacific

STAMFORD, Conn., August 9, 2011—  Windows 7 will become the leading operating system (OS) worldwide in the PC installed base, running on 42 percent of PCs in use by the end of 2011, according to Gartner, Inc. Gartner's latest PC OS forecast shows 94 percent of new PCs will be shipped with Windows 7 in 2011.

"Steady improvements in IT budgets in 2010 and 2011 are helping to accelerate the deployment of Windows 7 in enterprise markets in the U.S. and Asia/Pacific, where Windows 7 migrations started in large volume from 4Q10," said Annette Jump, research director at Gartner. "However, the economic uncertainties in Western Europe, political instability in selected Middle East and Africa (MEA) countries and the economic slowdown in Japan after the earthquake and tsunami in March 2011 will likely lead to slightly late and slow deployment for Windows 7 across those regions."

Gartner's forecast assumes that Windows 7 is likely to be the last version of Microsoft OS that gets deployed to everybody through big corporatewide migration. In the future, many organizations will also use alternative client computing architectures for standard PCs with Windows OS, and move toward virtualization and cloud computing in the next five years.

"By the end of 2011, nearly 635 million new PCs worldwide are expected to be shipped with Windows 7. Many enterprises have been planning their deployment of Windows 7 for the last 12 to 18 months, and are now moving rapidly to Windows 7," Ms. Jump said.

Shipments of Apple iMacs and Mac OS share on new PCs have seen increases in the last 12 months. Mac OS was shipped on 4 percent of new PCs worldwide in 2010 versus 3.3 percent in 2008. Mac OS is forecast to be on 4.5 percent of PCs in 2011, and grow to 5.2 percent of new PCs in 2015. Shipments will grow stronger in mature markets where consumers are buying into the Apple product ecosystem."
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This is all percentages, though. Is it not possible that more people are buying computers? I wouldn't say they have *lost* anything except a percentage, as the market has obviously grown. Microsoft still has as many customers as it had before, only they now represent some small percentage less of the overall computer population. On the Microsoft end, they still see X Millions of PC's sold every whatever. That is spelled with $$$.

Those are US-only numbers, too. The US is only a small fraction of global share.

i work for a 200 bed hospital. to totally upgrade the whole hospital to new OS takes approx 2 years. how long do you think it takes a large corporation?

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20108261-263/os-x-lion-passwords-ca...

OS X Lion, Corporate ready lol

MS *always* releases a "half-baked" OS every other OS. Then they nail it. So Win9 should be awesome, lol!

Actually Microsoft earns quite a bit from Smartphones, although most comes from the licensing fees they charge from companies producing Android devices.

After all if they get a few dollars in licensing, for each of the 500,000 devices Google claims get activated a day, it doesn't take long to make a sizeable revenue.

Anyone know if Palm remembered to patent the card metaphor?

Windows 7 is the fastest selling OS of all time.

I find Bing to be markedly superior to Google for non-scientific searches.

Bing Maps' satellite imagery is the best on the Web (you need to click "Bird's Eye" to get the top-notch stuff).

Hotmail has more than twice as many users as gmail (50 million or so vs. 25 million or so).

xBox has been the #1 game console for a while now.

Windows Phone 7 is the only laggard of the bunch. And, now with the update, it is finally a usable OS. As a launch-day Sprint Arrive user (Pre deserter) I can wholeheartedly agree that prior to the update to 7.5, WP was not really up to snuff. Now, it is. And then some.

"In PC market they are loosing. Mac share is growing everyday."

Microsoft is 91% of the global PC market -- Apple is below 4%. If Microsoft is "losing," I wish I could "lose" so "badly."

"The only money making units are the Office and Xbox."

Wow. Read the quarterlies sometime.

Windows is hugely profitable.

Hosted services are profitable.

Business services are profitable.

Office is profitable, and XBox is now profitable (after a period of sustained loss).

I guess if you imagine Apple roaring in and everyone suddenly switching over to a Mac that costs 3x as much as a PC for half the hardware, then *perhaps* Microsoft *could* lose. Of course, it's more likely that Carl Icahn will buy webOS from HP and then relaunch it on state-of-the-art headsets with a $20 billion marketing campaign, but a fan boy can dream, right? ;)

Thát's true, webOS is the best, without comparison, but unfortunately it is known for just a few thousands, just the clever people love it, and the worst part is when you try to explain the WebOS features to the Apple users, they just do not understand that there more things outside their itunes world, but this is the magic of publicity and promotion, something that HP has forgotten completely, this Folks is our cursed!!!

Right Now they are still wondering how to do with WebOS, this must be the more stupid thing I haver ever heard in my entirely life.

Not for long, it looks like apple is copying webOS with a new gesture area instead of a home button. I guess hp killed off webOS enough for apple to start infringing.

See what I mean? Every-time a smartphone OS tries to make their own like or similar to webOS, someone always has to say "They're copying them". But earlier you were just complaining on how "fragmented" and "clunky" iOS, Android, RIM, or WP7 was.

We can thank Apple for that.

"Hey, no fair -- we invented touchscreens!"

A good friend of mine looked at my TP and complained that the @ key needed a shift button press (or a long press), whilst on the iPad it has a dedicated button. That killed the deal for him! No amount of reminding of the numeric keys on the TP, the fact that he uses more numbers than "@", etc, would convince him otherwise. The apple cult indeed...

"cash to burn for couple more years"

MSFT is making $444M annually from Android due to its patents and are expecting revenues of $75B this year alone. Samsung is also paying MSFT to allow use of patents. As of 6/30/11, MSFT had about $53B in cash. They have so much cash, they raised their dividends 25%.

As a comparison, I work for a Fortune 100 Company in a capital intense environment and we only have $5-6B in cash.

So my guess is MSFT will be around at least couple years.

Okay, make it four more years, since they have ten times the cash of your company :)

Its been four years and counting since Apple introduced The iPhone. Microsoft survived. They surely will survive another four years. In the mean time Apple becomes four times big.

Two words: Nokia

;)

"In the mean time Apple becomes four times big."

The only category where Apple is dominant -- tablets -- is in serious trouble. Apple has slashed Q4 production by 25%, and Amazon has helped continue the lowered price expectations that HP kicked off with the TouchPad fire sale.

Apple has never been able to compete in commodity-priced markets, and the tablet will become a commodity even faster than the smartphone.

Everyone took years to respond to the original iphone, because they created a new market. Why does taking time to develop its product make them a bad company. In my opinion Window 7 OS has leaped frog Android. For the recorded I'm a webOS user, but will be making the switch to Window #heavy heart

I assume by 5 years you mean 3 1/2.

Looks very nice, but I'll wait at least a year and enjoy the rest of my Pre 2's life.

Hopefully by then WP will be a major player, or better yet, webOS somehow some way makes a comeback. :fingers crossed:

Xbox/Zune integration is very enticing too.

If this looks like a webOS rip-off, I can't wait until RIM's QNX phones come out.

Regarding multitasking, that does seem to be the case for every other platform besides webOS. I show my developer friends who develop for other platforms how webOS handles multitasking with cards and dashboards, and their concepts of background tasks are completely alien to me as a webOS developer. I tell them I have to explicitly disable an app from running in the background, since running all the time is the default, and even then I don't have to run through as many hoops disabling background as they do enabling it.

...same old, same old... It is exactly like Amiga OS versus Windows 3.11, light years ahead of Microsoft, but guess who had won, without even breaking a sweat?

Superior products do not necessarily win, inferior products do not necessarily loose. Inferior companies can loose wit superior product. Successful company is so much more than just good products.

Whats up bushi.... I wouldn't say MS won over Amiga without breaking a sweat. I remember MS outright buying up Amiga related companies cause they feared that one day people would realize that it was the better OS. Amiga OS definitely had a big affect on the evolution of Windows. MS saw Amiga as a threat the same way they see Google and more recently every cell phone maker today as their competition today.. What's strange to me is that HP/Palm never sued RIM for blatantly copying WebOS with the Playbook and now I bet no legal action will result from Mango. Apply is suing like crazy over just a look. Perhaps the unique features of WebOS aren't copyrighted. That would explain why no one was interested in buying WebOS.. I just knew WebOs features would magically appear as "new" features in other mobile OS'es. Just didn't think it would happen so soon. And just like when Windows got true multitasking, multimedia, etc no one will know where it really came from. :-(

Amiga is actually the perfect comparison to webOS. Both suffered from owners at the end of their lives who didn't want to compete, wanted an easy sale, and weren't investing in necessary hardware to stay on top.

The last Amigas were as clunky and behind-the-times, hardware-wise, as the last HP webOS devices were.

Rest assured WP is no webOS ripoff. I was a Pre user, and am now a WP user. They couldn't be more different.

webOS rules from a user interface point of view, but I must say, a phone that actually responeds -- without lag -- to every command every time is really nothing to sneeze at.

WP is also incredibly attractive and "alive" in a way that Android most certainly is not and even iOS doesn't quite match.

They made a bit of a boob with multitasking, if an app is active but you try to get to it via a live tile, it closes and relaunches it.

oops.

If I could make a bit of a boob, I wouldn't leave the house.

Doesn't a competition require at least two competitors? Since webOS hardware is out of the running, shouldn't this column be called "The Replacement:..."?

ouch! (you hear that HP)....lol

Three Buttons. Why on earth do they have three buttons? I don't like it on Android, I'm not going to like it on WP7.

Good question. For all intents and purposes you use 2 buttons- back & home button. The search button is there to take you to Bing as a shortcut.

Oh, and Android uses 4 buttons which is the most in the industry.

That's what I love about webOS is the fact that it looks more refined and elegant than any other phone because its face isn't marred or obscured with buttons and that it doesn't have tiles covering up the home screen just the row at the bottom. Clean!

At least the WIndows Phone app catalog isn't as bad as webOS. The only platform you need to buy a twitter client then the developer abandons the project ...Tweed.

problem w mango 7.5 is no dual core support, no google maps w google search. Ofcourse TP also doesnot have google maps w google search. But windows 8 run on quadcores and I bet by the time windows 8 comes out, google search would be very easy access through browser.

You don't need dual core...runs silky smooth..pin google.com to your homescreen...bing maps isn't google maps but it's not horrible either.

"hold back button to go to card view" = LAME!

Why cant OS' get there **** right like Webos did.. Gestures people gestures!!! F--k Buttons.. I want to swipe up for card view!

No OS gets everything right.

webOS is terrible at managing its resources and it's not nearly as responsive and fluid as WP7. Heck, my Touchpad has 4x the memory of my Pre- and it acts like it has less. Web pages are constantly reloading when I swap cards even with only two other web page cards open. What is up with that?

And if Microsoft is dealing with their OS in a much much more intelligent way than Palm or HP did.

"my Touchpad has 4x the memory of my Pre- and it acts like it has less"

You should return your TouchPad there is something critically wrong with it, seriously.

I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong with it. Just bad coding and memory management. Apparently the author of this article has the same problem too. I can tell you now my Pre- multitasks better than my Touchpad.

1) I can launch something and IMMEDIATELY do something else while I'm waiting for it to load. I do this all the time with my Pre-. I do the same thing on my TP and when I swap back to that card, it's obvious nothing has happened. It'll start loading when I focus on that card. I like launching a new card for a web page and then going back to continue reading the original web page and then when I'm done, I can go read the new web page. But nope. With the TP, I go to check out the page I launched and it hasn't bothered loading in the background. I have to stay on that card until it loads then move back to my original card.

2) If I'm playing Freecell and then doing something else, when I swap back to Freecell I see the "loading" symbol. Even if I'm just running Freecell and Email. What the heck?

It works just fine otherwise. It's not a big deal, it's just surprising that version 1.x of the OS seems to work better than version 3.x.

I agree about the loading of the pages. That was the most annoying thing - no loading whatsoever in background.

Should check out Advanced Browser, loads tabs in the background no problem. Had at least 6 tabs open loading in the background last night.

I can say for certain 1.x does not work better than 3.x. Since July we have switched from 2 1.x devices to 3 2.x devices and 2 3.x devices. All the new devices work better than the 1.x Pre no doubt.

I don't know. I'm just talking about with how I use it, I like 1.x better. I don't use Stacks very much. I usually only have 1-4 cards open at a time. Just Type is a nice addition though and I like the sliding panels.

But the thing I use the most and adore webOS for is "launch extra cards and let them process/load in the background". This works better on 1.x than 3.x so far in my experience. In fact this doesn't really work at all in 3.x.

I can't comment on 2.x since I don't have any devices with it. And I'm not talking about the Pre- vs the Touchpad. I'm talking about the OS on the Pre- and the OS on the Touchpad. The Touchpad is much more responsive than my Pre- and it's quicker.

Not for long, it looks like apple is copying webOS with a new gesture area instead of a home button. I guess hp killed off webOS enough for apple to start infringing.

It looks good but I'll wait to see what WP8 brings to the table. For now, I'm enjoying my awesome Motorola Photon 4G World phone, I wish I had webOS on the Photon but oh well, what can we do! Right?

This is not true multitasking, another fake, how many we will see Tim??

No, it isn't. Multitasking and notifications are the two things webOS does much, much better than WP. However, the fact that applications actually respond when you ask them to is enough of an improvment to make me never look at webOS again, at least in its current form.

Get. Rid. Of. The. Lag. And maybe webOS will have the chance it deserves.

I found your review somewhat bias and in some cases whiny and inaccurate to say the least. The market is competitve by nature and sadly WebOs couldn't survive it. But its unfair to put out inaccurate information regarding a competing product when you readers cling to your every word. . Let me point out some things specifically:

"It is 2011, I shouldn't have to reload a web page when I switch from an app back to the browser." This is bogus. I have always been able go back to my web page without reloading it, even before the update.

"Unfortunately, and unlike webOS, there is no way to interact with these notifications without stopping what you are currently doing and going into the app that the notification corresponds to (which you can do by using the new multi-tasking feature, but that's still not the most power-user friendly way of doing things)." You could have at least explained to readers that the reasoning behind stopping an app if it's in the background is favorable to allowing it to run processor cycles thus eating your phone battery life, all while not being used in the background. This OS is specifically optimized for battery life, again before the update even.. 

"Lastly, Mango has really improved the user experience in a lot of ways just by pretty-fying everything. The designs feel much more polished than the last iteration of WP7, and the eye-candy of navigating through applications and scenes is warmly welcomed." I'm not sure if author  has used Windows Phone 7 prior to the update. This eye candy you are referring to has always been there buddy. It has always been one of the coolest aspects of this phone os.

"This is bogus. I have always been able go back to my web page without reloading it, even before the update."

And I have not. Same goes for other apps. Therefore, my statement is not bogus. In fact, I just tried this again, and it is exactly as I stated.

"You could have at least explained to readers that the reasoning behind stopping an app if it's in the background is favorable to allowing it to run processor cycles thus eating your phone battery life, all while not being used in the background. This OS is specifically optimized for battery life, again before the update even.."

Fair enough, but as someone who keeps a charger nearby all day, lacking battery life is not important to me. This is an opinion piece, aren't I allowed to state my opinion?

"I'm not sure if author has used Windows Phone 7 prior to the update. This eye candy you are referring to has always been there buddy. It has always been one of the coolest aspects of this phone OS."

I've been using WP7 for a couple of months now, I know what was and was not there. Once again, there have been updates made to the OS that makes it feel/look better than before, as I have stated.

"I found your review somewhat bias..."

This was written for the webOS community by a long time webOS user. It is inevitable that I'm going to cheer for my favorite platform.

I'll back you here Tim if you're talking about webOS 3.x. I mentioned earlier that it's sad that my phone with 256MB handles multitasking better than my Touchpad with 1GB. I switch between web page cards and it reloads. I switch between Freecell and Facebook and Freecell reloads. I don't remember seeing this often on my Pre-.

I have no idea what the HP/Palm developers are doing. Honestly, I'd rather they have just stuck with the single card paradigm (instead of Stacks) if it meant not having to reload web pages like that. What the heck is webOS3.x doing with all that memory if it has to reload so often?

It's just a poorly managed OS that was rushed out the door without enough development time and too few developers working on it.

It is amazing that HP hasn't released another small update to fix a few of the many remaining problems with 3.0.

Then highlight the strengths of webOS, don't make up inaccuracies about a competing platform.

After my Pre3s die (hopefully not for a couple of years), unless HP or whomever has new hardware coming, I think Mango is the natural progression.

same fate as the zune I have never seen a Windows 7 phone out in the wild and I do events for a living. All I see is Android Iphone and a few Blackberry's still

"Hi, my name is Nokia and I'm about to dump a gazillion WP7 phones all around this place, so watch where you step."

They are in stores. For some reason they're not selling though. I think that webOS phones actually have comparable marketshare.

Just shows you what an uphill battle webOS faced, even if it was supported by a company like Microsoft which actually cares and knows what they're doing.

I've owned a Windows Phone for months and it's a great device. I managed to grab a Touchpad in the fire sale, never expecting to enjoy it so much, but now I'd be sad to see WebOS go. Both are great and WP7 copying WebOS's multitasking style is a great idea...though I found myself trying to flick the "cards" away when I updated to Mango for WP7.

Guys! Why is precentral reviewing windows phone? It's a sad day when webOS news is so nonexistent that you have to use up space to cover other phones.

Because WebOS is dead and it's time to move on.

umm, what are you talking about, theres always been comparison pieces done on this site, remember the playbook comparison piece?

http://www.precentral.net/blackberry-playbook-tablet-borrows-gestures-ca...

http://www.precentral.net/hp-finally-address-rim-s-playbook-a-fast-imita...

Competition? Haven't you heard? webOS is dead!

I made the switch on Mango day(Sept 27th)! I will miss WebOS, and will switch right back if/when something happens to bring it out on new phones.

So far, WP7 works ok. Multitasking is not really multitasking...there is no way to close an app, and I can only see my last 5 apps.

hp touchpad on gossip girl premiere episode .. And was shown 3 different times in detail

http://www.phonesontv.com/2011/09/27/gossip-girl-s05e01-yes-then-zero-se...

That just shows the brilliance of HP in marketing the TP. A full-scope device built for consumers to also use it for business use and they market it on this show to...tweens.

It's really amazing that it didn't sell well, huh? Ridiculous.

Competition? To what? Everybody is taking bits and pieces of webOS to the point where even if we got back on our feet we won't have anything to really distinguish ourselves. Not that HP is going to "replug" us in.

We Sob for Web OS.

I think everyone is missing the real story in this article. One word for you...

"incentivize"

Uh, WTF?

LOL

That's got to be the worst use of a real word since redact...It may be a real word but couldn't you have come up with a better way to get your point across?

Techiedude

Thanks Tim. I find your WebOS / Win7 Phone articles to be very helpful. Even though I'm not ready to part ways (yet) with WebOS -- Win Phone 7 does seem to be the most interesting alternative - almost.

Have they fixed the whole sync issue with Mango (ie: no clear way to sync non-Exchange Outlook PIM data (Calendar, Tasks, Contacts & Memos)?

Last I heard, there was some half-baked Zune option or CompanionLink via Google thing (tasks not really included). Even though WebOS isn't much better, at least we have some decent pay options (ie: Chapura).

How is Mango competition for webos? There are no webos phones coming, unless someone buys them, and I really don't believe HP will support it. How to compete with non-existing? Waited for Pre3, gave up & bought a WP7. Will load Mango when I get home.
Not what I wanted but life is full of changes you don't want to make.

Comparing WP7 (especially Mango's) social, mail, calendar, etc, integration to synergy is hilarious. HILARIOUS.

Don't get me wrong, I was a WebOS user, but Mango is better, it's simply is better.

For example, the email client on WebOS is depressing, the map apps on WebOS is pathetic. The performance is ridiculously bad.

Also, the multitasking implementation of WebOS is the worst on any smartphone, it's has the best GUI, NOT the best technical implementation, all, especially Microsoft and Apple, made the right decision with their implementations.