ComScore: Palm hangs on to 4.9% US marketshare 58
ComScore has just let loose their US marketshare numbers for July 2010 and they contain what has to be considered happy news for webOS lovers - Palm held steady at a 4.9 percent marketshare between April and July despite dropping no major new handsets and in the face of an onslaught of competing devices. This in the midst of an overall 11% growth in the Smartphone market. In other words, as PC member southbaypalm points out to us, there are still plenty of new webOS purchasers out there.
Android was the big winner in the time period, picking up 5%. We're also seeing that Windows Mobile seems to still be hanging on to an 11.8% marketshare in the US.
If comScore's estimate of 53.4 million smartphone owners in the US is accurate, that pegs the number of Palm owners in July at around 2.6 million. That number is remarkably close to our own estimate a month ago, for what it's worth.
Source: comScore; Thanks southbaypalm!
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That's very good news. Great post!
Absolute Tom Foolery!! You mean to tell me with the Mass Exodus of subscribers that jumped to Android after Palm / HP didn't come out with new hardware, it was a wash because of new subscribers?
Corporate Accounting at it's best!! I'm sure someone will confirm that this was truly an unbiased analysis.... uh huh!
Might I add with a 5.0 point uptick in just 90 days for Android, put your head between your knees....
Guess What... I can talk to my phone and it sends E-mails and Txt messages for me. Search the internet with voice, and Navigate/Maps with voice. No need for Swype or a Keyboard... please at least tell me that 2.0 will do that.
Could they be also counting the multiple devices a lot of members been through like 3, 5, 8, 10 Pre's activated and the refurbs.
hold on! HP is going to build national hype, just wait
great with pre-2, we will reach 8-10%, with tablet around 12%. That all sounds great
go 4.9 % yeahhhhh we are steady and won't back down lol
go 4.9 % yeahhhhh we are steady and won't back down lol
Is it me, or do those number just not add up? What am I missing?
They do not add up to 100%, however, that doesn't necessarily mean they don't make sense.
Many Blackberry users are issued blackberries for work, as a result it may not be their only smartphone. There are some posters here who carry Pre's as well as Android phones.
So if the question is "What percent of smartphone users use a given device" then you can (and should) go over 100%" However if the question is "What percent of smartphones in use are a given device," then there is definitely a major mathematical problem.
i didn't do the math i just read your post but it does say "total smartphone subscribers." mY assumption from that is it's a measure "what percent of smartphones are in use". regardless if they don't add up it's wierd.
The numbers are the top 5, and there is bound to be a category beneath those called "Others"
Also, note that they may have added in their "Margin for error" to the figure, thereby adding up to 100%.
It's only the top five. Dont forget to add the other formats to make 100% of smartphone users.
-Sweet! This means my tactics are working! I'm up to 14 webOS phones sold so far. I should be getting commisions or free apps or something! Lol. :D
Mostly it sells itself when people see me flying all over the place doing many things at once and are amazed. So far only 1 unhappy person that dropped the phone and broke the slider with no TEP plan.
All others are super esctatic and are spreading the word. :)
I've persuaded two people to purchase Pres as well, and both love them.
Hi all,
It is very good news.....to be hold on the a steady market share without new hardware and a major updated OS.
However, this number will increase when the next gen webOS devices are ready. Due to the buyout, I expect that the roll out will be well funded and well advertised.
We have watched the app numbers increase, we are now up to approx. 500 new apps per month. In addition, HP just ran it's 1st contest for HP non Palm employees to write webOS apps...500 were accepted...these will be introduced to the app store shortly.....Palm is continuing to help porting of apps, by suppling & paying for the labor for porting.
I also believe that Palm is paying firms to speed up the process. HP's budget for such things is huge. It gives Palm an almost bottomless pit of funds. After all, it is all of HP's interest to make sure that app numbers increase as fast as possible.
More interesting, is the fact that I read Palm has another way of getting around low app numbers. Not just the fact that webOS is now extremely quick and easy to port conventional apps as well as 3D games....webOS products will come very well armed with native apps...
With Palm's brilliance of design and HP's size, clout and money I expect a great roll out and a very nice increase in market share!
Take care,
Jay
These numbers don't look so bad, yet I wonder how many people are still using Centros...
Personally, I decided on getting the new iPod Touch as a complement to the upcoming Palm Pre 2. I feel like I've been missing out on iOS. It will help me fill the holes left by the yet uncomplete webOS. (Read: global IMEs and a real Evernote.)
Hopefully they will have a large slate available sometime in the coming year. A 4.5" webOS device would be so amazing. I'd be the first to order an unlocked version.
That's just it... while there are certainly some Centros still out there, surely it's fewer than last quarter as they get slowly replaced. Yet "Palm" has stayed steady, indicating more webOS in spite of less Palm OS. This is great news!
I too have an iTouch that I use for music but I don't feel like it fills any void at all. All it really does is irritate me when I try to use of for something other than music and remind me just how awesome webOS really is. As for Evernote... try Simplenote with Noted! on webOS. It's crazy fast and notes are store locally.
I like Evernote because the notes are synced with all my devices. I wish it had an offline mode though.
Unless there are IMEs on webOS, I will just need the iPod Touch. Hopefully HP will change that.
Oh my SimpleNotes are synced across all my devices--I couldn't use it otherwise. There are a dizzying array of apps to sync with: Mac, Windows, iOS, Firefox, Chrome... even favorites like Yojimbo and Emacs. Or if you prefer, a perl script to sync text notes. Use what you want on the platform you want. All that, and fast offline access on webOS via Noted! I used to love Evernote too :(
Thanks a LOT for the tip!
This is really quite nice. I'm only looking for a text based note app. No pictures or pdfs. Evernote is convenient, yet a bit overkill.
I'll definitely consider using it. Syncing accross devices is important to me. Grocery Gadget looks like a nice iOS shopping list, and a webOS version is in the works. (Homebrew's Shopping Manager is SOOO much better, except that it doesn't sync... yet!)
Hopefully we'll get the IMEs soon!
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So we are supposed to believe that iPhones outnumber Windows Mobile phones by only a little more than 2:1? Really? I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a Windows Mobile device.
I am one of the developers of Sports Calendar and I have a windows mobile phone. The HTC Snap. I have not upgraded to the Pre because I am a Sprint SERO user and they wont allow me to upgrade yet.
4.9% might seem small compared to google but thats 4.9% with 2 devices. Android gets its numbers from having multiple manufacturers and multilple handsets from each. Hopefully HPalm shows up to the party with some brilliant webOS offering as well as webOS 2.0. Very, very soon I'm hoping.
Didn't lose/gain a significant amount of users... Less than 1/2 of the users of 4th place... Precentral gets an estimate that is 25% off the actual number... I guess it's good news?
Palm smartphones are not just WebOS devices.
The whole Treo line and Centro line devices still have some users out there.
And, yes, untidyguy, there are LOTS of WinMo devices out there on older phones, from the Treo Pro to those of the other manufacturers, freom versions 6 to 6.1 to 6.5.
The numbers above are very encouraging, because, PALM is only selling WebOS devices now, so as thier market share stayed the same while the market grew, that mean it was WebOS devices that were being bought keep the market share the same as it was 4 months earlier.
"untidy" makes be believe that frequent cellphone use does lead to tumooz as Ah-nold would say.
Palm, we don't die we multiply!
according to the numbers you won't die and you won't multiply.
^^^ This post should be downranked to oblivion. Don't bother clicking to see it.
Why? Does the truth hurt too much? See my post way below. Palm gained 240,000 units in 2 months compared to 2.7 million Android devices.
His comment merely was while Palm may be gaining devices, thus they are not dying, they certainly are not "multiplying".
Colors!
so people leave Rim, Apple, and Microsoft for Google. But no one leaves Palm. This says to me that people can get unhappy with the other OS, but once you try Palm you realize there is no reason to go to anything else!! And condsidering that really, there are only 2 phones on the market for Palm and they have been the same for a year while the others, particularly Google, release new hardware regularly, this tells me that Palm really is supperior.
If you really believe that you're a naive idiot.
All of a sudden, I am seeing pre's EVERYWHERE among my students. Until this September, I'd never seen a student with a pre. Now at least 4 students among my class of 34 have them.
Don't know why the sudden sales, although I do know that several students who were wicked geeks said they got their parents to buy them because they were the most intuitive of interfaces and because their parents weren't really app users. They just needed a data phone for gps, e-mail, and occasional websurfing or games. And they were CHEAP and CUTE.
I FRICKIN' LOVE MY PALM PRE PLUS!!! however, everywhere i look cell carriers are dumping Pre Plus's for free! Good for HPalm getting product out there but it makes me feel like my device is getting cleared of the shelves for more Droids! I am jealous of the Droid for it's PSX emulator, full flash support and trillions of other apps. not to mention it can copy every feature of WebOS! It seems that developers are really dragging their feet with Palms WebOS and HPalm are dragging their feet with devices even though it is the easiest to develop/port for and HPalm are open to homebrew! I am getting so frustrated with this, i'm on the edge of learning how to develop myself, but all i ever learned was BASIC waaay back in the early 90's! There would be a huge learning curve and commitment on my behalf and i have 3 kids so that's kinda out of the question...I'd feel much more confident in investing my time if i knew HPalm are going to actually be around in this format 2 years from now..I want above all things, bluetooth driver Support for either a PS3 or Wii controller to be used with NesEm and/or the Playstation emulator we saw previews of over a year ago..HPalm needs to release new devices at least every six months to compete, Every other Format ( Apple, Google, Microsoft, Etc..) can do it, why can't HPalm? PAAAAAAAAAAAAAALM!
Nice article, but when an estimate is off by 30%, I'm not sure I'd describe that as "remarkably close." It does jibe with my own estimates, pegged at 2.4 million webOS users as of August 31. Webshare has fallen in the last few months, as there's been no sales catalyst since the AT&T launch. My estimate (posted elsewhere 8/15) follows, along with an addendum.
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Surprisingly, my proxy for webOS installed base shows another uptick, 16% since June 1. Using my old guesstimate of 10,700 sales for each browser
This is amazing new given the situation that palm found itself in. This means that the Palm WebOS user base grew by possibly more that 11% (accounting for Palm OS users who just switched to WebOS)... THAT IS AWESOME! First good market news I've heard in a long time for Palm.
That's quite a bit more than I would have guessed. This pleases me.
iphone 4 and evo released during this period right? And apple lost marketshare while palm was able to keep theirs?
iphone 4 had a slow release. And EVO in the grand scheme of things, is pawltry comparted to most android releases.
this was awesome...we have nowhere to go but up!!! and we are on our way : )
wow... so palm is actually more popular in the u.s. than apple mac computers are worldwide. that's actually a pretty good result, guys.
(I believe worldwide mac use is somewhere like 4.3?)
Wow, all of you guys who are psyched over this really need to take a look at the whole picture, and not just this little snapshot.
On May 10th, comScore reported that Palm's marketshare was 4.8% of 49.1M -- which is 2.36M. Here they are reporting as of July 10th it is 4.9% of 53.4M -- which is 2.6M. That is a net gain of 240,000 units over a 2 month period.
If we look at Android, on May 10th they were 13% of 49.1M -- which is 6.4M. Here they are reporting they are 17% of 53.4M -- which is 9.1M. That is a net gain of 2.7M.
So, that means that in 2 months the Android market gained as many smartphones at Palm has in the 15 months since the release of the initial Pre on Sprint. It also means that on average Palm is adding 20,000 phones a week, while Android is adding 225,000 phones a week. That means that Android is outpacing Palm more than 10-to-1.
Also, we have to look at this as being only U.S. numbers -- Android and Palm compete world-wide, it would really be interesting to see those numbers.
Also, as an aside. Note how close the weekly number of Android devices is to what Eric Schmidt said their gain was -- 200,000 a week. These comScore numbers sure seem to back him up.
First, look at how many webOS devices there are: 2
Second, look at how many Android devices there are: too many to count (MANY more than just 2)
Third, Schmidt said they had 200,000 a day, not a week
Ooops, absolutely right on the Schmidt comment, where are the other 800,000 devices a week then?
However, I don't agree with you on the "look at how many Android devices" comment. Who cares if there are 100 or 200. All that is saying is that as a manufacturer Palm is doing better than an individual company manufacturing Android devices, it doesn't say anything about webOS.
What it said about webOS is that Palm is doing great with just two devices and the limited cash they had. The fact they kept their market share steady amidst troubled financial times as well as a large acquisition says a lot.
And webOS is going places. By this time next year, webOS will be in at least 4th place. The reason is that, even with WP7 being about to be released, it is still the same old junk. webOS will be on numerous devices (presumably two or three smartphones, which is what matters here) released by Palm and HP. webOS will be a massive hit when we get the even better hardware and marketing campaigns out there. I can 99% guarantee we will see webOS either tied with WP7 or exceeding WP7 by this time next year.
"Ooops, absolutely right on the Schmidt comment, where are the other 800,000 devices a week then?"
you remember they sell phones worldwide, not US only and the stats here show just a very small piece of the cake?
since hp doesn't improve palms awful representation especially outside the US (like no app catalog), they wont get the needed numbers of customers to see webOS succeed, a few die-hard fans are not enough.
I hop the next device can put them up in lik 10million a quarter
wow guys. We're talking about a 12-15 month old a device and it's under powered cousin, against iPhone 4, EVO and Incredible. I think gaining 50k in that environment is nice, the extra 200k a bonus.
I wonder how many of those are att? Launch was during that period.
That number is a net gain. As in, there could have been 500k sold (and activated), and 300k are now not in use.
Also, there is a push to sell off all webOS devices in inventory (as you can see with VZW's constant clearance and AT&T doing the same, Sprint now dropping the prices as well), so that number should hopefully go up by 500k+ just from cleared inventory.
Additionally, the numbers will go up when Palm brings out new hardware, which we are all waiting for.
I hop the next device can put them up in lik 10million a quarter
We've had two months of an Android buying frenzy since this last marketshare. Not to mention kids buying phones for back to school (College, high school, and junior high). Since Apple lost marketshare despite iphone 4 coming out, it's safe to say they are moving to Android. Here is my prediction for current marketshare as of today:
RIM - 37%
GOOGLE - 24%
APPLE - 22%
MICROSOFT - 8%
PALM - 5%
What do you guys think it is, and why?
Absolute Tom Foolery!! You mean to tell me with the Mass Exodus of subscribers that jumped to Android after Palm / HP didn't come out with new hardware, it was a wash because of new subscribers?
Corporate Accounting at it's best!! I'm sure someone will confirm that this was truly an unbiased analysis.... uh huh!
Might I add with a 5.0 point uptick in just 90 days for Android, put your head between your knees....
Guess What... I can talk to my phone and it sends E-mails and Txt messages for me. Search the internet with voice, and Navigate/Maps with voice. No need for Swype or a Keyboard... please at least tell me that 2.0 will do that.
whats with the android fan boys *cough* dkmrules *cough* coming on here to talk trash on some sales records and to take the wind out of our sales? yeah, so what android phones are selling better than palm phones. i suppose you have to b proud of something, even though u have nothing to do with how well android sells except for the fact that you bought one. you know what? i like my phone (pre) and will wait till the next version comes out no problem. i played with a droid x last night and actually it didnt blow me away as much as i anticipated it would (webos IS prettier and more slick like evvveryone says)... u guys talk about lack of apps. well how many apps does any normal person have and then use? webos has most of the apps people genarally use with more good games than i would ever bother to play. the reason android and ios have so many apps anyways is cuz they have sooo many renditions of the same thing... do u really need 2,000 different weather apps and twitter clients? i dont think so. webos as is, is pretty suffient to me when it comes to software (i wont lie i could go for a few things but im sure they will come eventually)... so im gunna sit back and relax with my OC pre minus that runs fast as hell and have no prob waiting for the next amazing webos device that is going to coming out. i garentee the next phone will sell well, its only UP from here boyz
Web-OS will smoke everyone with the Tablet, that is what I'm waiting for. But for smartphones... the Treo was the force to be reckoned with, compared to the credit card sized Pre. If you're ever going to convince Grandma to get a cell phone, she would just as soon opt for heart failure, than to try to read a txt msg on the microscreen. That and suggesting to her to load preware and download an overclock app because she keeps getting too many cards is just ridiculous. you need stuff that EVERYONE can use... not just stuff that a "few" appreciate. Android does that.
FYI - I have opened 22 apps on the Sprint Version Palm Pre, but lets just say you open a 3D game first. I can still open 14 additional apps on a completely stock Sprint Palm Pre
In what life would anyone or myself or a Grandmother need to have that many opened apps at once?
Yes ok Yes I am sure there is someone out there that says "I DO". So in that respect How many NORMAL (LOL) people would need to have that many opened apps at once?
dutchmasta, I wouldn't be so quick with the comment: "i suppose you have to b proud of something, even though u have nothing to do with how well android sells except for the fact that you bought one".
Look at just this thread of messages on this article. There are several people who claim they have "sold" people on the Palm Pre, I can assure you there is most likely a larger number of people who have Android devices that have done the same thing.
At the end of the day, the numbers basically say for the last three months Android has grown its marketshare while Palm has remained steady (and who cares about Apple or RIM ;-) ).
Palm will continue to stay steady, or lose, until the "next big thing" happens -- either the release of webOS 2.0 or new hardware. It will only be after those devices/software have been out for six months for marketshare numbers to reflect how this moves Palm.
The funniest thing I take away from this is the Palm has been very reluctant to give any sales numbers, yet we keep seeing reports like this that basically allow you to nail on the head the total sales. I guess the flip side of that is, where exactly does comScore get is numbers?