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Editorial: Rebooting the consumer perception of Palm 128

by Derek Kessler Mon, 06 Dec 2010 12:55 pm EST

CES 2011 is just a few weeks away, and we’re all assuming (and hoping) that Palm announces some awesome new devices to replace the aging hardware that’s out there right now. At this point, given the current marketshare numbers, what might be needed more than the new hardware is a new consumer mindset pertaining to Palm.

According to the latest numbers from Nielsen, Palm’s marketshare stands at a paltry 1.3% in the United States, and we’d reason that international marketshare is around that, if not lower in countries where Palm products are even available.

With Palm’s market penetration so low, the question weighting heavily on our minds right now is how do Palm and HP turn around their fortunes with webOS? The answer lies not with rebuilding marketshare. No, the answer is to reboot the public perception and start over. webOS is a fantastic operating system, but it was already fighting an uphill battle against iOS when it launched, and has since been eclipsed by Android and is facing competition for the bottom rung from, of all companies, Microsoft with their turn-the-smartphone-OS-on-its-ear Windows Phone 7.

In this mess of smartphone operating systems, how is Palm to differentiate itself and make the case for why Joe Consumer should buy a webOS phone over an iPhone or Droid? Reboot, reset, and start over. Palm needs to be aggressive with their advertising. It can’t be “We’re still here.” No, the message must be “We are here. This is why we’re awesome.”

Many times I’ve sung the praises of Apple’s iPhone advertising. I may not like the phone (okay, I’ll admit, I get jealous sometimes... hardware, I swear), but I can appreciate Apple’s marketing mojo. The commercials are simple and straightforward. There’s no hyperbole about how the phone makes your life easier because it has live tiles, there’s no insinuation of easy multi-tasking by talking about a juggler, and there’s no whiz-bang graphics that never show an actual phone in actual action. iPhone commercials show you what the phone does and how you do it. It’s a phone and a finger, maybe two if they’re feeling frisky.

So that’s rule number one to the consumer perception reboot: keep it simple. Rule number two is to be aggressive with consumers. This doesn’t just pertain to advertising, but also to product. I’m going to jump out of the smartphone market in this one and point at another company as an example: Ford. The Dearborn, Michigan, car and truck company was as just five years ago in the doldrums. Their products were languishing, sales were dropping, and there was a lack of decisive leadership.

Ford brought on Boeing CEO Alan Mulally as the company’s new chief executive, and gave him the authority to do what was needed to turn the company around. In short order, Mulally revamped Ford’s product line, started shutting down or selling off assets that were dragging the company down (Aston Martin, Jaguar, Mercury, et al), and focused on improving the quality of Ford vehicles to rival that of the Japanese manufacturers that had taken the lion’s share of consumer good will.

Most importantly, Mulally convinced the Ford board to leverage practically the entire company for a multi-billion dollar loan years before the financial collapse of 2008-2009 brought down GM and Chrysler. Ford used that money to revamp just about every model they built, as well as accelerating development in new high efficiency engines and their Microsoft-based Sync infotainment system. The aggressive development and new technology offerings in Ford vehicles have led to a swing in consumer sentiment, with Ford now gaining marketshare and selling vehicles at a consistently higher price than competitors due to pricey options like Sync.

Palm doesn’t need to leverage the entire company. As you more than likely are aware, Palm now is owned by HP, and as I’m fond of saying, HP has giant bags of money. HP has been vocal in their support for webOS, saying often that they see the OS as pivotal to many of their future plans. But future plans don’t sell products. Nobody bought an Xbox 360 in anticipation of the eventual release of Kinect, and nobody’s going to buy a Palm product in anticipation of a future webOS update.

Customers need a reason to buy your product over somebody else’s. Brand loyalty only goes so far. They need to be wowed, and there’s a lot in webOS that could do that. It needs to be emphasized, in the way that Apple (yep, going back there) used their advertising to show off just one iPhone feature at a time. There was no one commercial about FaceTime, apps, and the iPhone 4’s screen (jealousy).

Future Palm devices need to so good that they make people forget that the Pre ever existed.

But what’s awesome about webOS is not enough to get consumers to buy Palm phones. The Pre 2 is a solid phone, at least for those of us that are webOS fans. Its base specifications (processor speed, RAM, storage) may compare favorably to most other high-end smartphones, but there’s still something to be said for build quality, size, and design. Palm could add an 8MP auto-focus camera, gyroscope, compass, and a Retina-quality display and they’d still be catching up. The OS can “wow” all day long, but until people hold the phone in their hands and go “wow” over the hardware like they did over the original iPhone, HTC Evo 4G, and now the iPhone 4, they’re not going to be impressed. Future Palm devices need to so good that they make people forget that the Pre ever existed.

Regla número tres: be aggressive with developers. I’m not advocating that you shake developers down for everything they’ve got, no, not that kind of aggressive. Developers need to be aggressively courted. The recent webOS Developer Day in New York City was a good start: developers got a preview of the new Enyo app framework, and everybody at the keynote got a free Pre 2. That’s great, but with only a handful of exceptions, everybody there was already a webOS developer.

More developers need to be brought into the webOS fold. Numerous surveys have shown developer interest to be aimed primarily at iOS and Android. Shocking, I know. But BlackBerry and even Windows Phone 7 rank higher than supposedly easy-to-develop-for webOS. While the big three may have the advantage of a massive install base that draws in developers, Palm and Microsoft don’t have that advantage.

Palm needs to take a page out of Microsoft’s Windows Phone 7 developer playbook and become an aggressive suitor. It’s one thing to have an easy to use SDK. It’s another to incentivize development. Microsoft hasn’t been bashful about their developer practices: they’ve paid developers handsomely to bring their apps to Windows Phone 7. It’s an aggressive pitch, and one that recognizes that today’s smartphone sales are in part driven due to the availability of apps.

It would be wise of Palm to emulate Microsoft’s tactics here, and likewise not be bashful about it. Promotions like the Hot Apps competitions did some to incentivize development for webOS, but we can’t really say definitively whether or not the promotions brought in more developers. But aggression with regards to developers is needed. Offer to pay them for quality apps, throw in a free developer phone or two. Heck, give them an HP laptop with all the requisite webOS development tools and documentation preinstalled. Windows Phone 7 is already up over three thousand apps just weeks after its launch. It took the webOS App Catalog over a year to hit that mark.

Bribing developers isn’t going to be enough: all the money in the world means nothing if the developers don’t have tools. Sure, there are developer phones and that set-up-for-developers laptop I just envisioned, but there are also the tools within the SDK that are needed so that developers can make the apps that sell. Those tools are APIs.

I’ve been following webOS since its birth, so the API situation is not something that’s new to me. But if I were new to webOS, I’d be stunned that a modern smartphone platform that’s a year and a half old still doesn’t allow developers to access the microphone or camera, read the calendar database, or any of the other hundred little things that make for great apps iOS and Android. I’m not saying that webOS doesn’t have great apps (it does, clearly), but I certainly can’t hold my phone up to the music and find out what’s playing.

Developers, like everybody else who does anything, are in it for two reasons. One: they enjoy doing what they do. Two: they can make money doing it. In the end, it comes down to money; the last thing you want supporting your app store a mass of hobbyist developers. Don’t get me wrong, the hobbyist developer is a vital component of any thriving app store, but it takes the big name developers with the big bucks to make the apps that make the platform.

The key is to break the cycle and either get a few million phones into the hands of users, or give the developers reason to make for your platform.

You could cite the old cyclical problem of developers want users to exist before they’ll invest in making apps, but the potential user wants the apps before they’ll buy the phone. The key is to break the cycle and either get a few million phones into the hands of users, or give the developers reason to make for your platform. With the right tools and incentives, developers will have reason to develop for webOS without the userbase needed to pay for the development cost, and then the users will come, having seen the available apps.

Now that I’ve covered the customer and the developer, there’s another chink in the webOS armor that needs to be patched. Well, not patched, but corrected in this replacement armor. The problem is availability. It’s not that you couldn’t walk into the store of a carrier that sells one of the three varieties of Palm Pre phone and pick one up. The problem is that there aren’t that many carrier that sell the phone.

The iPhone’s success has been driven by two factors. Firstly, it as the touchscreen iPod phone everybody already wanted. But it was the second generation that made for beyond blockbuster sales: the iPhone 3G was everywhere. Palm doesn’t have the luxury of consumer demand for a specific product. What they can do is get webOS onto more carriers. Of course, that’ll require the impressive phone, but it will also require that the case be made to carriers that these phones will make them money over the long haul of the customer’s contract. That means helping the carriers build support for additional pay services (like GPS navigation or streaming television).

The flip side of the coin is that Palm cannot allow themselves to be beholden to the carrier. Verizon’s GPS issues are clear evidence of the carrier’s tinkering with webOS, to the point of ruining the customer experience unless they pay extra for an additional service. It’s not the fault of conflicting APIs or some bug, it’s intentional crippling, and manufacturers like Palm need to stand up to that. If the carrier is in discussions with you to get your phone on their network, then they clearly want it. Bargain elsewhere to make that kind of nonsense go away, argue that crippling the phone will in the end drive away the customers that putting the phone on their network are supposed to bring in. Whatever you do, don't let it happen.

Either way, the relaunch of webOS needs to happen everywhere. Palm phones should be available on multiple networks in every country across the globe. Samsung has proven that without carrier exclusives it’s still possible to sell millions of devices in a short span, so long as the device is of sufficient caliber to draw customers. The availability of the iPhone on multiple carriers in Europe, Australia, and Japan has led to Apple’s smartphone dominating those smartphone markets I’m not talking a simple plurality of users, no, according to the last AdMob report, the iPhone holds a commanding 73% of the smartphone market in Western Europe, and a stunning 91% in Oceania.

The relaunch of webOS needs not only to be spectacular in terms of hardware. It needs to be spectacular in terms of scale. Everything needs to come together in massive scale: the new devices need to be available everywhere, they need to be awesome, and they need to have brilliant apps galore. It’s clichéd, but when Palm comes out to reboot the webOS perception, they need to go big or go home.

Going big leads to my last point, rule number five: be arrogant. Being the quirky little phone maker that acts like an spunky little startup isn’t going to sell phones in the quantities needed to make webOS a success. Palm needs to start acting big, and with the weight of HP behind them they now have reason to do so.

Everything needs to happen like clockwork, because that’s how things happen when you’re big.

That means that everything needs to go bigger. Product launches need to happen with flair and pizzazz, advertising campaigns need to hit the television, internet, radio, bus stops, and - of great importance - the carrier store. Everything needs to happen like clockwork, because that’s how things happen when you’re big. Products announced become products shipped. Things like Mojo Messaging Service can’t be left to languish, announcements like Exhibition can’t not make the cut when you ship the product.

Now don’t take my advice of being arrogant to mean that you’re to act as if you’re without fault. Apple may be selling the iPhone 4 by the barge-full, but that doesn’t mean that the whole “Antennagate” brouhaha didn’t deal a blow to their public face. Take a lesson on the need for humility when mistakes are made: own up to them and fix them quickly. In the day of the internet, attempting to bury a story only makes it worse.

Rebooting the consumer perception of webOS starts with rebooting Palm’s perception of itself. Palm needs to become aggressive and will to throw their weight around. Sometimes throwing a few jabs means you open yourself up to getting smacked. But going on the offensive is far better than running around the ring for nine rounds, hoping that your opponent doesn’t catch on to what you’re doing, adapt, and take you down for good.

Palm came out swinging in round one, but was hit hard from the start. Round two was a disappointment, with Palm struggling to land a punch even near the opponent. Round three, well, we’re not sure if round three has started yet, or if we’re still waiting, because Palm’s still sitting on their stool in the corner, with the trainer tending to wounds and replacing already worn out gloves.

When the next round begins, Palm needs to come out swinging like never before. The punches need to be more powerful, the showmanship needs to get the crowd into the game, and the opponent needs to be sent back to his corner with a bloody nose and stars in his eyes.

But before that, there needs to be the reset, the quiet period during which Palm collects itself, adjusts to the new overlords at HP, and gets down to business like never before. If that means we don’t hear much for a while, that’s fine. The consumer has all but written off Palm anyway and HP can afford for the company to not sell a single phone for a year or more if that’s what it takes.

Obviously, I don’t want it to take that long. I want Palm to surprise us all at CES with a raft of new smartphones and tablets and an update to webOS that brings it in line with iOS 4.2 and Android 2.3. I want the reset to happen today, but I know it won’t. But when the reset does come, it better be big; if it isn’t I fear I’ll be writing the post mortem eighteen months later instead of another rant like this.

128 Comments

Wow 3 in a row number 1.

I have no life today.


precentral ROCKS

I'm just having a hard time believing that Web OS can overcome IOS, Android, and Windows phone 7, and Blackberry.

I think the market is so crowded, and their is still two words synonymus with Palm, and that is Palm/failure/webos/failure.

Just the truth.

Palm needs to do a reboot? Please dont, those take aaaaages on a Pre!

ohhhhhhhhhhhh snap!

lol

WebOS who? hahaha...lol.

touch down! :)

lol nice

You know who doesn't have to reboot their product line? Google. Apple. Microsoft has already done their reboot and by the time your proposed timeline happens, they'll already be over a year deep in WP7.

The ballad of WebOS can be summed up by "something is going to happen soon and everything will get better." And maybe that was possible at one time but at this point, Android and iPhone have steamrolled the market and there are no longer any compelling reasons to use WebOS.

Ah, but there IS one compelling reason to use webOS. The PalmPad. I've said it before: The smartphone market is so stuffed right now with recognizable and mainstream names (Android "droid", iphone, BB, Microsoft) that the best entry to the mobile market, IMO, is the tablet. Right now when it comes to consumer tablets you have the ipad and...what? The Sansung Tab? Consumers are really waiting to jump on tablets, and if HP plays it right, they can market webOS and THE tablet OS. Build up the name and mindshare of webOS with the PalmPad, and the OS will jump out. When it does, people will recognize it when smartphone shopping, and it may become more than relevant. Until then, I'm pretty sure they're going to be a niche smartphone maker.

And market the hell out of it. Directly to the consumer. Make it pop out from the crowd, as the ipad did and still is doing, and you've got more than a foot in the door.

Not even a whiff of a webOS tablet UI, yet, and you are ready to declare a compelling reason to use it as THE tablet OS? Consumers are waiting to jump on tablets? It's less than three weeks before Christmas and you can buy an iPad in WalMart or Target. You can even buy an iPad gift card and mail it to someone. If you think the webOS smartphone is a niche just wait for the webOS tablet. Everyone at least needs a smartphone. What do people need a webOS tablet for? To use webOS?

I'm saying that webOS seems to be a perfect fit for the tablet form factor. Multi-tasking quickly and easily without layers of windows to navigate.
What does ipad availability have to do with anything?
If everyone NEEDED a smartphone, they wouldn't be making any feature phones anymore.

I'm saying that a great way to introduce the public to webOS would be through a killer tablet. If you don't think the market for tablets is big, then I'm sure you'll completely disagree with me. But I think it is going to be huge. What the ipad needs is a competitor, something compelling like it was when it first launched, and I see webOS as a strong candidate. We all know there is going to be a tablet, PalmPad, whatever. My opinion is simply that they should push it as much as possible, because within the smartphone market it will be difficult to differentiate themselves among the well-known market leaders.

I think you are missing the point of adaptation and ecosystem and development within a OS. Sure webos is all fancy and it looks nice and it does this new, cool thing called multitasking, but beyond that, how much more can it offer you? HP Palm does not and will not possess the marketing clout of Apple/Google, nor will it ever garnish the attention of developers looking to make a penny. There's more that goes into a $500 tablet, and Apple has proved that with their unified product line and sensibility to make things easy. 1.3% marketshare? 2011 will be a good year for HP Palm, but they are already two years behind everyone else in the mobile world. Good luck to you.

Why use a Palmpad when you can use a Playbook.

Have you watched demo videos of a Playbook? It's unbearably clumsy. The Playbook is using a whole new system of graphical elements and transitions that it doesn't even know how to handle. Consider the Playbook as an oversized Sprint Palm Pre: slow, slow, slow.

The play-book has a 7" screen right? To me, this is an undesirable size. Not quite small enough to be in my pocket. Not quite big enough to be a satisfying alternative to using a smartphone. I'd like to see a webOS tablet, but if it is only 7", I will never buy one.

It's incredibly easy to toss the buzzword 'tablet' around, thanks to Apple who pioneered this movement. Let's watch as everyone (including HP Palm) play catch up with innovation and still fall short of how to move mountains. 2011 will be a good year, but remember the world does not stand still for the holy Palmpad as others continue to pump out outstanding products and product lines. Will the PalmPad be shipping in January? HA! The iPad 2 will sell millions, while the PalmPad struggles for the hundreds of thousands. A year in technology is a long time; that's how much catchup HP Palm has to do in order to even be glanced at in the mobile world.

this is ridiculous.SCREW THE PALM PRE 2. leave that thing overseas,dont bring it to the U.S. what we need is new hardware and the time is NOW. If you are finally going to give us new hardware dont you dare announce it at CES and release it 6 months later,are you kidding me? Yeah after we announce this new phone of ours lets give the competitor 6 months to come up with the same phone or something better. You idiots at palm better be taking notes from google, they announced the Nexus S TODAY!! And its coming out in 10 days!! If you guy aren't coming out with a phone with a 4inch screen soon like tomorrow soon then just give up.

I have to agree with you. Pre|Central can speculate all they want about what HPalm should do but the fact is that while they are releasing a spec bumped POS phone, Google announced the Nexus S and is bringing it to market in 9 days for consumers to purchase. Even that phone has hardware that outclasses the Pre2. HP is blowing this one if they wait until CES to announce new phones and it will be worse for them if they aren't released soon after. Who's developing apps for WebOS 2.0? Is it happening in secret, because there haven't been any new developers announced, and unless HPalm attracts new developers to the platform, it's over for HPalm in the Smartphone space.

**duplicate**

i hate to say it but the Pre 2 is going to be a big fail on VZ, there's no way it's going to sell well =(

I think Palm needs to attack in 3 areas:
1) Hardware - it really needs to be on par with the best if not raise the bar.
2) Software - Enough with this 1/2-done PIM software. Give us business users real productivity software! Then, turn around and appeal to the developers to add value to users. The free dev phone is a huge step IMO (as a small developer). However, completely changing frameworks this soon isn't.... but that's an argument for another day!
3) Cost - they really need to turn heads with the cost. No $200 phone stuck with expensive plans again! There needs to really be something to win users over. Focus on mindshare now and earn your record-breaking profits later.

Speaking of cost, if HP/Palm does a 4G phone, I can tell you right now I'm not buying! The extra cost for 4G isn't worth it ($10/mth per line Sprint? Really?).

I posted this list back in August, but it is exactly as true today as it was then. This is because Palm is dead in the water right now and there are no signs of life whatsoever.

I am fairly sure I will be switching to WM (or possibly Symbian) very soon.

I will not use Google's nor Apple's products for "political" reasons.

1) PIM: As you wrote, this is f*ing nonsense. Palm is PDA company first and foremost, and how they can go from best in breed (I will argue that a Treo is still unsurpassed as a PIM) to the crap on my Pre is beyond me. The awful calendar, Synergy nonsense, and no native notes sync remains a black eye; also, tasks suck. Job #1 for Palm's own software development team should be to get PIM capabilities roughly on par with where they were on my old Treo 680. Stop updating the f-ing Facebook client and fix what actually matters.

2) Backup: I don't like how a restore of the phone (or a switch to a new one) is so painful. On my old Treos, I docked 'em, pressed the HotSync button and presto, my new phone was exactly the same as my old phone. All my messages, documents, applications (with their settings/saves), etc., were there. It would be amazing if Palm Profile were made more robust so that this happened after a Doctor or move. However, I recognize that a) bandwith is expensive and b) lots of people (like me) don't trust the cloud, so putting all that info up there should be optional; keyword encryption like Mozilla uses with Weave/Sync would make it so that even Palm employees couldn't nose around in our SMS logs. However, if even just USB functionality were opened up enough that a third party could release "Save/Restore 2.0 with Desktop Backup", that would be great. That would also enable desktop sync without worrying about WiFi. Which brings me to...

3) WiFi: If this is to be a business phone, it has to be able to connect with business networks, and that means PEAP. Please get PEAP working properly. My old Nokia E71 could connect to my work network and my shiny new Pre can't...

4) Access to OS functions: I don't care for Synergy at all, but lots of people do. That being said, if you're going to open up Synergy features to developers, for the love of Pete, make one of those Memos. Then maybe we could get decent memo syncing from a third party without needing our own app (and please see (1) above about making CANT apps not suck). Open Tasks for the same reason.

4) Synergy: Can there please be an option to un-Synergize? That is, to take all my contact information from my Exchange account and my personal account (I happen to use Yahoo!, but Hotmail or gMail or whatever) and whatever other accounts I have and make them the same. That is, a change to one hits my device and then percolates through to the other services I use. Some people might want separate address books for work and home. I don't. But I'd like to be able to set up categories and color code my contacts by them (again, see (1)) so that I could still keep them kinda separate.

5) Notifications: Notifications are definitely one of the things that webOS gets really, really right already. How about if a swipe-to-the-right clears (like it does now) but a swipe to the left brings up a new window with a "bother me again in..." option.

6) Back-swipe: Since it's inception, back swipe has been backwards. A swipe to the left is forward!!! When I'm turning a page, I start with my hand at the right, and then I drag it to the left. Even though I have a launch Pre, I still get this uncomfortable feeling every time I swipe to go back. Please make it an option to switch which way a swipe can be to trigger backwards or forwards. On tablets, this is likely to be a really big problem, like when I use it as an e-reader.

7) Word-wrap in the browser: Nuff said.

You make good points and things I was trying my best not compare from my Centro to my Pre Plus. I can't understand how we went from having a PIM that synchs with Outlook and Palm Desktop to this Synergy that no one asked for and few of us want. Just about everyone I know synchs with outlook at work. Granted, I finally manged to synch with Exchange from work, but it was a pain to set up. How can the number PIM be coming in dead least in the Smartphone space?

this may apply to many more business users, but to those in the middle (palms aim) synergy is the best solution. It gives users the ability to sync contacts ect from mulitple places without having to worry. It's still in it's infancy as far as possibilities, but I like that i have lots of peoples numbers, IM's and calendars from those sites, without having to try the mess of putting them all on outlook. Outlook is one peace of the PIM pie, many people use google as well. Besides you need exchange and a business account to sync over the air with outlook where as google is google. I strongly believe we do need more capable PIM functions but I definatly like synergy and would like to see its use expanded, also would like it to give us more option on what and who's transfered. Synergy has way more potential then it even touches, question is, will palm every notice?

Pretty much every one of us is a business user. There is no such thing as a "consumer" smart phone -- at least, that is a very small niche. Helping us do our work is what makes it smart.

This is not to say that we don't use our phones for all kinds of personal things -- of course we do -- but we also use them for business. Thus, they need to get the fun stuff right, but they also need to get the boring, business stuff right, too.

hahahaa.. He said 'symbian'...

I was on an E71 between my Treo 680 and my Palm Pre.

It was a pretty darned good phone.

That's right, SYMBIAN!! I used to be a symbian os phone user, and let me tell you something: I LIKED IT!! They have tons of apps(guess what....FREE!), they have all the basic and COMMON SENSE features that a phone should have from the factory WITHOUT having restrictions or having to pay for them(e.g. Tethering, phone-pc sync, and oh yeah....I was making video calls on a 3G network back in 2006 in Europe). I understand we are supposed to be milked the *** off of money, but I can't stop laughing when I remember one of the iPhone's tv ads: "now the new iPhone is able to shoot videos, too", and we're talking about a 3rd generation iPhone. Oh,yeah....people are still buying it! So I guess, we only deserve what we have right now in terms of techology,because we actually pay and get aroused for all that brainwashing and manipulation. I am (still) a Palm user(forgive the pun), but I can already see the real "intercourse" coming, and I can only shout: "FREE AT LAST"!! Take that, HP/PALM!!!

Considering Nokia as more marketshare 3.4% in the U.S. then Palm 1.3% http://www.precentral.net/webos-getting-left-dust-marketshare-sinks-13 i think you should be saying "He said webos."

+1

I don't see what ya'll are worried about. HP has a great record with phones!

Typed on my HP iPAQ 111 Classic.

A really good article, one that I read from start to finish despite its length. Did you miss anything? Yes, the sales reps aren't and never have been excited by Palm's phones. If you can get the little guys on the ground carrying Palm phones and singing their praises they will fly off the shelves. A common question I hear from more open minded consumers to sales reps is 'what phone do you have?', how many do you think answer 'a Palm Pre'?

Well put,I think time is ticking for HPalm. The closer we get to CES2011 the closer HPalm gets to making or breaking itself. Like it was stated above we will on put up with it for so long and it has been long.So I guess if nothing happens soon,it will be so long(to palm that is).I must admit that if it takes HPalm a year to introduce a new phone I would probably get it if it's worth it but in the meantime I would have to get another phone. That's money that could have been in HPalm's bank account but instead has been placed in the pockets by the competition. A situation that HPalm has let happen. There is a saying that you are your worst enemy and I see this with HPalm. No other OS can destroy WebOS because it's structure and potential is unbelieveable. So only HPalm can destroy WebOS by not bringing out new hardware,and products (mainly phones). I hope you are reading HPalm because ppl will say or atleast I know I will say.What was the point of buying Palm and WebOS??!!

Well put,I think time is ticking for HPalm. The closer we get to CES2011 the closer HPalm gets to making or breaking itself. Like it was stated above we will on put up with it for so long and it has been long.So I guess if nothing happens soon,it will be so long(to palm that is).I must admit that if it takes HPalm a year to introduce a new phone I would probably get it if it's worth it but in the meantime I would have to get another phone. That's money that could have been in HPalm's bank account but instead has been placed in the pockets by the competition. A situation that HPalm has let happen. There is a saying that you are your worst enemy and I see this with HPalm. No other OS can destroy WebOS because it's structure and potential is unbelieveable. So only HPalm can destroy WebOS by not bringing out new hardware,and products (mainly phones). I hope you are reading HPalm because ppl will say or atleast I know I will say.What was the point of buying Palm and WebOS??!!

Completely wrong! Nothing is ticking and Palm has time even if they do not announce something big at CES.

People really need to understand that HP is not concerned with you and I and whatever left of the dying current user base. And quite frankly they should not. HP is working to gain market share among people that do not know much about Palm which is the majority of the market.

When they come out with new cool stuff, it will be new for a lot of people and they will start gaining market share.

The reason we are frustrated is because we owned a Pre and waiting for the next device, the majority of the market is not.

| People really need to understand that
| HP is not concerned with you and I and
| whatever left of the dying current user
| base. And quite frankly they should not.

I get why people (including the author of this column) are saying this, but I hope HP Palm isn't listening, because it's wrong.

I am basically a nobody in my 5,000 person firm, but I interact on a regular basis with the directors of our offices and with our new CIO. We have about 1,200 Blackberrys and 800 iPhones officially supported. If you don't think I'd be in there talking up the Pre -- if it were enterprise-worthy, which (and it hurts me to say this) it isn't -- you're crazy. And, as one of the most knowledgeable mobile device people in the entire firm, I'd be listened to, by users who ask me constantly what they should by, by IT people who love to talk about this stuff, and by the directors and CIO, who make decisions on what to buy and support.

I'm not saying they'd throw out RIM and Apple, but with the amount of contact I have with people all along the user-to-IT spectrum at my firm, I bet I could get a worthy webOS device into the hands of 20 percent of the current RIM/iPhone crowd.

You've got it exactly backward. HP Palm needs to put out something that will excite people exactly like me -- a webOS fan from the beginning -- something that we can take to the people who make purchasing and support decisions and say, "Look, you have got to see this." Something that we can show to 10 co-workers a day, proudly.

HP Palm needs to keep us in mind, because we're an army of salesman-geeks, and if HP Palm squanders that, screw 'em. They deserve to fail with webOS (and they will).

While I kinda understand the other guys point I agree with you,HP needs to worry about current pre owners. Lots of people read & watch reviews more than that they listen to rumors. HP said there would be updates to 2.0,they said flash was coming this is only a couple of things that haven't come into fruition there are more broken promises that I'm sure are working against them. The people who don't own a pre and don't know which way to turn will most likely listen to the latest buzz or propaganda which would likely have them buying iphone,Evo or Google phones(excellent phones). I think people who own a pre are a key link to those who don't know about the pre , who else could better tell you the pros and cons.Just as you spoke of the influence and the potential at your job,I think we all have that influence. When I want to test out anything I always look to those who have first hand experience when you think about it we(most people)buy phones(things)after listening to a friend or at least a knowledgeable person say how much they love them and why.We don't go to the the company's website and rely on what they have to say about their own product.I agree I think HP needs to worry about what we think bcuz we are the people who(behind the scenes in these forums etc which are bigger than most people know) really tell the truth about and push the products. I hope I didn't jump around too much I believe with the broken promises the time it's taking to come out with new products and the huge following the iphone and Evo has and the following Google phones are acquiring HP needs to do something quick especially for people with "OG pre phones."If not for preware I would have gone with an android phone a few months ago but since I discovered preware I'll hang around a little longer but not too long since Verizon has the iphone.

Totally agree with you. hp obviously sees potential for webOS for a different type of user base. They don't necessarily have to go for android and iOS users. And wjy should they? The smarphone market is still a wide open field. They seem to be planning an ecosystem that goes beyond the normal consumer. They want to nail down that Enterprise market. And since they are scaling webOS and creating an ecosystem they're looking to be successful on all fronts from business to fun.

But truth be told. Marketing and advertising will play a huge role. They don't necessarily have to be gaudy and obnoxious, but spark interest and wonder. IBM, Intel and Cisco have some bareable, informative and even fun commercials.

Availability is also going to be huge. For the devices themselves as well as access to those mic and camera APIs. If those were both available at the first pre launch, we may have a different story that we know today.

CES will be huge fun and all we can do is wait and see. So I just hang with my OG pre and mess around with preware and follow what the internals team is brewing up til then.

Good point. 1.3% market share is pretty close to 0% market share. The strategy will most likely focus on everyone BUT the current 1.3%. After all, why would the focus be on the few when they might as well start over and go after the majority.

Great article, but you don't use first person in editorials.

I have the secret motion that Palm's plan is to flush the current fanbase in favor of a new market. All they have now is a small 1.3 percent of potential Palm fans; perhaps starting over would allow them to create something new with minimum loss of the few fans they have left.

I'll use first person if I feel like it!

Next time I'm going to use fourth personal temporal implicative just to screw with you. :P

Be sure to pull out your copy of Dr. Dan Streetmentioner's "Blogger's Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations," the phenomenally successful prequel to his earlier book, "Time Traveler's Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations." You won'tan have been regretting it. {Jonathan}

I... Love you for that comment. (:

Hilarious!

Seriously though very good article.. needs some proof reading, but it seems to have covered all the bases..

@ Serentic - Also one does not use "you" when speaking in general about people. He/she uses "one", as in "Great article, but doesn't use first person in editorials", Just sayin' :-)

I doubt Serentic (who is commenting) has to adhere to the same formal grammatical attire as Derek, who wrote the editorial.

I so feel like a lab rat right now...

*notion, yay Pixi keyboards.

If HP/Palm wants to get more or retain enterprise/corporate users, it has to be quick in fixing any problems with software used by corporate users. As an example, the PDF view that worked in 1.4.1 does not work in 1.4.5. As a result I can't open the pdf files in my phone any longer. It has been months and the problem is still not fixed (hopefully it is fixed in 2.0). As I need to be able to read pdf files sent to my phone, this glitch is really frustrating. I am about ready to jump ship, and will do it if Verizon does indeed offer an IPhone next year.

I too have had too many missed opportunities with PDFs not opening properly. It's sad. What is also sad is an all touch-based copy and paste solution, which if you dont have that now in the mobile world, you are lagging.

I would add there are some things around the software that need to be fixed too.

it's missing tons of features like in the camera app, And there are lots of little details that need to be sorted out. Things like gapless audio, how the music player sorts. The calender function. dealing with podcasts. WebOS is not perfect.

I think they need a true desktop sync solution to handle media, podcasting, app, palm profile managment, music, movie, audiobook, playlist ebook downloading and syncing. They need their own itunes equivalent.

They should also ban the use of the term Hpalm. Hewlett Packard bought Palm. Not the other way around. And honestly. they still should consider ditching the Palm name altogether. Not sure it has much cache anymore. HP phones at least would be a clean slate.

I've said that before. I always thought HP was going to "reboot" webOS like hollywood does with movies. First one didn't do so well, remake it better and to how people will like it. It works for movies, why wouldn't it work for a phone? HP is not on a time frame. They are taking their time, making it right. They don't need money. When the time is right, all they have to do is release an awesome device that people will like and the consumers will eat it up. No matter how long they wait.

When the quality of a mobile platform is quantified by the number of apps available for it, HP is absolutely on a time frame.

Besides, Android OEMs already release awesome devices every month. And Android itself has progressed so rapidly that the old argument about WebOS being a better platform doesn't hold true anymore.

WebOS doesn't stand out in a crowd anymore. I hate to break it to you. HP is absolutely on a time frame. It's all about apps. If WebOS was soooooo good, why didn't the Pre take off? This so called "best OS" should have been enough to sell the phone. It didn't. Palm banked on the OS and went under. Without apps, WebOS will continue its demise. There are just too many iOS and Android apps now for HP to take their time.

Im not defending the Pre. Im saying future devices still have a chance no matter if its Palm or not. You're talking like any new OS that comes out will not have a chance because Apple and Android have so many apps. Look how many apps WP7 had at launch. If Palm can do that next year with better hardware AND WebOS, how can you say they cant succeed still?

I'm saying the pool to draw from for customers is shrinking rapidly. It's not going to be easy to steal customers away from other phones because their apps are tied to that OS. So HP keeps saying there are plenty of people that don't have a smartphone yet and that's who they'll target. That's where the time table comes in. Each month HP that delays the release, more of those people are going elsewhere. Without customers to buy the apps, who's going to develop for WebOS? WebOS itself won't keep it around. You have to realize WebOS is just another OS available. It doesn't "wow" anyone. An OS is simply about preference...which one does a person feel comfortable with.

Well you are right in the sense that people who buy more apps with other devices are going to be less likely to want to switch. But again, does that mean that ANY new OS has no chance at all because two big companies have the majority of the market already? Any company thinking of getting into the phone market with a new OS should just not even bother?

Pretty much. There's no point to it.

WP7 sold 40,000 phones at Launch. How many did Palm sell last year? How many Pre 2's have they sold in that bungled French, overseas launch? HP may think they have all the time in the world, but Google and their OEM partners and Apple aren't waiting around to see what HP does with WebOS. They are moving ahead with new products and continue to have strong demand for current products which currently outclass all of Palm's products. All the Palm fan boy love in the world cannot erase the facts. Palm is getting left behind and instead of stirring up buzz for new products, HP is keeping everyone in the dark. How many current PRE users are going to just wait around to see what HP will do while their outclassed phones with crap hardware start failing?

Why do you guys seem to think Im talking about the original Pre? My original post was talking about rebooting WebOS. Meaning wiping the slate clean and starting over. No one, not me, not you, not anyone else on here can actually predict the future because no one knows what HP and Palm are planning. Could be nothing, could be something (to take a word out of Apples dictionary) revolutionary.

Of course HP is not on a timeframe if you relate that to the actual Palm products owners(screw us, we don't f-ing matter, it was our fault for taking up all the BS so far) but they definitely ARE on a timeframe when you look at the competition and especially at the " I need an iPhone 'cuz that's so totally like the best phone ever, don't ask me why 'cuz I have no clue, but that's what I've been told" army of brainwashed zombies target population

The best thing Palm could do is to truly change the way the carriers sell their phones. Have Palm subsidize the phones so that every Palm phone only requires a 1-YEAR CONTRACT. Then people will feel comfortable trying a Palm phone knowing they can change to something else next year when something better comes along. Afterall, that's why I stick with Sprint instead of the others!

i pay about $50 bucks a month for service putting the yearly bill around $600. others pay nearly $80 putting the bill around $960 for a year. If it's a one year contract the carrier is gonna want it's one year of money. so for every phone you sell HP would have to pay $600 - $960 (for the unlimited plans). I don't think they have any interest in taking that kind of hit per phone. I hate 2 year contracts but i'm not sure it's going to change after carriers are used to that contracts revenue.

Derek, I'm tryin to work here. Can you make these articles a little shorter? My boss would appreciate it. Thanks :)

just to be a jerk... there actaully was a specific commerical about the iphone's screen being awesome. just sayin ;)

You're not being a jerk, you're misreading what I posted... I was talking about how Apple hasn't had a single commercial that was about everything (FaceTime, display, etc) at once. Multiple commercials each focusing on a single aspect of the device.

ooooh got yuh. yeah u r right there. their approach is without a doubt the way to go... i for one really like the wp7 add campaign. ReAlly? haha. keep up the good work brah.

Very well written.
If palm fails at CES I'm sure I will be moving one. Honestly my phone is crap and I'm on number 5 since it released in 2009. I worried that this entire waiting period would be for NOTHING.

If we just get a better phone (size) with no major hardware changes next year... its a waste! I honestly need to see an 8MP camera on my phone with auto focus and a front facing too! Maybe a touchscreen, trackball, and keyboard on one single phone. I dunno but I do know I need to be extremely impressed.

ditto.
Need new hardware on sprint (I DO NOT WANT THE PRE 2) or I'm moving on.

Damn Derek, that was brilliant!

And to think, you gave HP Palm all that for free. They could pay consultants zillions and not get anything better.

I'm sure they are aware of much of this, but thanks for putting it all together.

Awesome post Derek. Such a good read my boss wondered why I didn't clock back into work yet. Working with Palm for a little I notice how sad it was that this device had so many issues. Yet I still got one. In the CCR group we really liked the Palm Pre and what it did. Not only does the Phone need to be rebooted, but the over all look of Hp/Palm needs to come out swinging for the Mobile Market. Now they need to do it without the creepy Pre girl.

:) I need to teach you more homebrew :)

I have been fun with homebrew lately. So far I have been flipping the phone inside out and it is still fun. I got a sweet Mega Man theme going with some Gif of the orignal cartoon as my background. Unless you know of some more fun stuff hanging out lol. :)

I think this is why CEO Mark Hurd said that HP didn't buy Palm in order to get into the smartphone business. I mean, why dump all of this cash into a hyper-competitive market just to try to achieve third or fourth place when you can dominate other product areas with less of an investment? HP didn't get those bags of money by foolishly dumping a lot of resources into the smartphones. Otherwise, they would have done something with the iPAQ.

That comment by Mark Hurd is what prompts me to think that there will not be ANY new HP Phones running WebOS 2.0 or any other flavor. My theory is that current Pre and Pre Plus owners will get WebOS 2.0 "in the coming months", but that the Pre Plus is it for Web OS. Palm is interested in Tablets and Printers with WebOS. No one has submitted any evidence that there will be ANY new WebOS phones debut at CES or any other time. If there were, there should be some buzz about them. There is not. Meanwhile, the Google Nexus S arrives in 9 days.

especially when they are a computer and printer company and they can just do what they already know how to do and just make a tablet computer that connects to then internet? HP doesn't exactly have a massive record with phones.

This is a well put editorial but it's also the same thing the community has been telling palm since inception of webos. Always though palm made a powerful monster that they just didn't have the fuel to make it do it's stuff but now HP in play with their resources, maybe now we can stop waving our index finger and say "We told you so!"

And they should out RIM for stealing their UI...really. The playbook looks like a webOS clone...

Only we are still waiting on the webOS tablet/slate whatever device...

HP btw has a good record of messing up things in the phone world...and the scanner I have bought from them, don't get me started...

So palm is the brain and hp the muscle and the nerverous system...

this article was well put. 5 weeks til ces holding breath til then

Derek you really think the Pre 2 is a solid phone?
Don't you think it's ancient hardware before it's even released here in the states?
- Low resolution screen.
- No Auto focus.
- I believe it's the smallest size screen (not including the kin)
- No front facing camera.

Other than it is running WebOS 2.0 there is nothing appealing to me about the pre 2. Sadly I think the pre 2 will be a bigger fail than the original pre only because the original pre set the reputation for pre line webos phones.

I just want webos on an iphone 4 or HTC Evo equivalent hardware. Is that too much to ask for HP?

The Pre 2 is very competitive, as long as you want a small screen (and based on many comments I have seen while the rest of us cry for a 4" or larger screen, there are many who do).

Processor speed is consistent with top phones, camera resolution is there, even the screen resolution is competitive, especially given the small size.

I take many pictures with my Sprint Pre, and I am constantly impressed with the high quality and have not had an issue with focus.

I don't know that the front facing camera is really a big deal, but to be competitive any other new phone from HP needs to have one.

The Pre 2 won't rescue webOS, and even if Sprint had it now I wouldn't buy one because I want a large screen. But if you want a compact smartphone, the Pre 2 is as good as or better than any of it's similar sized competitors.

Not sure if my Pre will mak

Simply put: Wonderfully written and exactly what needs to be said. You know I always appreciate you work Derek, but this is one the best editorials I have read. Thanks again.

Simply put: Wonderfully written and exactly what needs to be said. You know I always appreciate you work Derek, but this is one the best editorials I have read. Thanks again.

Avaiability and good price. Just this.

The rest... the own Web OS and the simple hardware, do the service...

For example, I wanna to buy, but I no have where to buy here.

The End.


Best Regards...

Unless HP starts to ignite some buzz "in the coming weeks", there won't be anyone left to be interested in whatever they do with WebOS on a Smartphone accept the six fan boys who are still hoping and praying for any new Smartphone hardware from Hp/Palm.

Regarding Developer Day in NYC, I think half of the people I talked to were actually not established developers with apps in the catalog. I spoke to a number that came just because it was local, they were curious about the platform and so forth. Some were trying to develop apps already, some were just thinking about it, and one or two weren't developers at all but were just fans. So while I initially wasn't real thrilled about having to travel to NYC (vs. someplace perhaps a bit cheaper), I ended up thinking it was a great idea on Palm's part because I thought they probably got a lot of inexperienced people there that wouldn't have left NYC to go to an event someplace else.

Of course my sample may have been skewed. Or maybe I didn't talk to enough people!

But I do think that Palm needs to have something good to show at CES! Preferably multiple good things.

Nice read Derek, have you been reading my comments the last few weeks...? With nary a mention of ANYTHING from HP or Palm in the last couple months, one has to think they're up to something. Hopefully it's getting their act together to preview and launch some new devices early next year. And just a note to everyone who keeps repeating Hurd's line that "HP did not buy Palm to get into the smarthphone business": They bought Palm to get into the connected mobile device market, which includes mobile phones. What the hell else are you going to connect your tablet with? And don't say a printer or netbook...

Seriously, I hope HP starts over completely. I wouldn't mind a further re-branding of webOS to something catchier. Get rid of the Palm name on phones (no one under 25 knows who they are anyway). Throw money behind the platform, and don't release anymore products in the beta version. I love webOS, but the more I use it the more it seems like was released a year before it was ready. Release 2.0 soon, and have 3.0 ready to go a few months later to go with those shiny new phones and tablet. A lot of us are rooting for you, HP, don't let us down.

Not sure if you guys had heard or not but.... Palm is dead. What's easier, a reboot or a rebranding? Answer: Rebranding. Thus, HP WebOS.

No rebranding is necessary.... Samsung once made the crappiest phones around and look at them now...No one would touch Motorola before the droid....and both made a splash with their hardware, boasting spetacular screens and as much variation of a candybar that you can have....and they run the appsolutely craptastic android system. Hardware comes first, cause the sorely lacking Htc Hero outsold a superior Pre by feel of the phone alone....make some large screen dual core powered lobstrosity with no keyboard that feels like a velvet colored gold brick and blinds people walking on the other side of the street and that will solve mindshare...when developers see them flying out the door they will stop with the one night stands and bring their apps to it...and in that lies salvation for those of us who suffer right now...everyone tells me my pre is old news but they use their phone for 1/16th of what I use mine for ( which is 1/32 of what I would use it for if it did what the apple and android phones do that most of their owners don't use it for!)

hate to be the one to tell you but samsung has for a long time been a leading phone maker. And there is nothing wrong with the Samsung name. They are massive building everything washing machines to skycrapers, oil tankers and offshore drilling platforms. Samsung never needed a rebranding. Motorola also didn't have a reputation for making bad products its products just didn't sell. But Motorola makes a ton mores stuff then palm too like military communication devices, enterprise switches, etc. It's name was fine too. There is nothing special about the Palm name to anyone but the people on these threads. it's can go.

no problem, but the instinct was a piece of crap and Motorola needed all those other divisions cause they couldn't sell a cell phone to save their lives when the smartphones started coming out....both reinvented themselves....palm would be no different....beyond those of us who attach alliegance to names and stick with a certain brand are those who always gotta have the next big thing...

motorola made truck loads of money off of military but it's phone division was split. Samsung never reinvented itself. It's always been what it is. Massive. call the phones crap all you want unlike the pre people buy them. And phones were never it's biggest division. these are some of samsungs corporate divisions
* Electronics Industries
* Financial Services
* Chemical Industries
* Machinery & Heavy Industries
* Engineering & Construction
* Retail & Entertainment
* Apparel & Advertisement
* Education & Medical Services
* Trading & Resource development
* Food supplier & security services

Do you really think all it is is about selling phones.

either way there motorola had a good name. Samsung had a good name. Palm has no name outside of precentral.

Nobody is buying Samsung Galaxy S phones or Motorola Droids because of their product history, is my point....they're buying them because of those big nice screens and rugged do anything capacity...even if all they do is maybe buy a couple of apps, look up Facebook and text....( the recent bump up in Android traffic says otherwise, lol!)

I'm losing hope as well that webOS 2.0 isn't coming out. Twenty two more days until dec 31 and still no update. If HPalm or whoever has the update releases it at the very last second of 2010 (23:59:59 12/31/10), I'm going to be pissed off. Hp needs to rebrand or reboot and say something at CES or else my favorite mobile OS ship will be sunken and never rise.

I have long thought that Palm really needs to remind people they created the Palm Pilot. One really good advertising idea would be a reflection on Palm's legacy in the technology world ending with introducing everybody to Palm's latest, greatest technological revelation, webOS! I rarely meet anybody who knows anything about Palm, but if I mention the Palm Pilot, they all immediately respond with, "oh yeah!!!!!"

I agree completely with this article. HP needs a new marketing strategy for webOS and Palm. And it needs to be a bold and aggressive strategy.

Just the other day I overheard someone talking about shopping for a new phone. They said they almost decided to "go retro" and get a Palm Pre, but decided to get a Droid because it was "modern". That really says a lot about what's wrong with Palm.

Well Epocrates bailing doesn't help this case much!

Great article! HP and Palm really need to pull out all the stops, and do it very soon!

Jumping ship as soon as possible, it's a lost cause at this point and I don't see anyone but palm fanboys sticking around. Even with killer hardware, the apps will take time to come and by the time that happens iphone will make a killing on verizon and google 3.0 and above will be out.

webos was a good idea but it failed miserably and for Sprint to say no to palm pre 2, Sprint of all carriers then that says alot.

wp7 is all at 3000 apps and it's a smooth running os with alot of missing features but when microsoft brings out the updates, not to mention rim redesigning the OS I don't see palm getting no more than 5 percent of the marketshare.

too little, too late... Other companies are active now, not "sometime next year"

No matter what they did in the past, everyone wants to know what they will do in the future. History is littered with examples of one-great and then soon forgotten. All pretty simple, if you want to be in business then you have to actually have something people want. It doesn't work when even a few possible customers are waiting and you're not delivering. Those kids on the corner aren't selling lemonaid on a hot summers day, if they actually don't have any lemonaid. Seriously, HP is paying people not to understand this fairly basic concept?

Give me 2.0, fring, whatsapp, vpn and office documents editing, then I have something to talk about. I can not use my imported german pre as a my main tool, still using a nokia 5800 aside.

It'll be available in the "coming months with an exact date to be told at a later date"

How 'bout if Verizon releases Pre 2 tomorrow which runs on their version of 4G ? Will that be a big-enough event for a "HPalm comes back" statement ?

No.
It's a wrap.

ooh, Angry Birds has an update!

You know, I really hope that someone at HP reads this and listens, at least a little. As a former owner of the much-ignored Nokia N900 I know what it's like to have a company abandon and ignore what seems to be clear and unified requests from it's dedicated followers. Thats why i am no longer a Nokia customer. That being said, I can say that in an anecdotal way (for whatever it's worth) this article nailed it. I love Palm. It's great. But even before I read this article I had made a decision; my next phone needs certain things before I shell out any cash. It needs to have:
HD video recording
A high res screen (competitive with Samsung and Iphone)
At least a 4" screen
At least an 8 megapixel camera
A video out
And it needs to be quick (dual-core?)

That being said, there are also certain software preferences that are needed in order to be competitive;
Flash support
html5 support
a strong app offering (or a fairly strong confidence in an up and coming app offering)

Once again, I can only offer anecdotal evidence to back up this article, but if HP can't do what is listed above (and sooner rather then later) then my money goes to someone who can. (And it looks like I'm going to have quite the selection to choose from come next year).

I suppose my comment is a very long way of saying this: I'm frugal with my money when it gets in the $500+ range and if HP can't give me the short list above then I'm not waiting (I tried that with Nokia). And I don't think I'm the only consumer with this attitude.

Strange. I thought webOS and the Pre together formed Palm's (failed) reboot. I guess this article is suggesting a re-reboot.

are any of the new devices going to sprint I mean really I don't wanna be stuck with a pixi if my pre breaks. And I can't stand android it sucks but if my pre goes it may be my only choice...

I think HP should just put webos on what they do best...printers. Game over. The only way I could see any type of market share is if they licensed the webos for free like Android. Even then they have no user base. It's like HP trying to get into the gaming industry and releasing a console with similar specs as the 360 & PS3 now.

since HP is not taking the business out of rubinsteins hands, webOS is dead.

there is no reason for developers to support webOS at all, tiny userbase and outdated devices, no buzz and no excitement about what will be coming. That's really sad since i dont like apple (the company, their products seem to be allright) and hate android. HP should reconsider about rubinsteins future in the company "in the coming months"

great article. nuff said.

HP should not make the Hardware. HTC Evo webOS 4G. Do it. I've had a Sprint Pre since launch and the non arrival of flash is a huge deal breaker. The Pre 2 is a joke. WebOS 2.0 whats that really going to do for existing devices? In May I am entitled to a new phone. 95% sure its going to be an Android device.

Make that 99% now. This is a supply and emand world and Jon doesn't make the supplies that we the people demand. This is why Palm has lost thier marketshare. Even his own employees don't use a palm device.

Very well put Dieter!
Ruby "tuesday"'s "in the coming months" sounds like they should develop an app around that phrase.

I like to stay with webOS like most people on this forum, however HPalm don't make it easy to do so.

Can anyone explain the delay of the Palm Pre 2 over at Verizon?
CES 2011 is only a month away, looks like all the "new" phones may well be announced at CES, but to buy these were looking 2nd quarter, maybe! And the PalmPad who knows.

I think they just released the Pre 2 so developers can have a heads up on webOS 2.0 on an actual device.

It truly is all about advertising. Take a drive through the San Francisco Bay Area and you'll see 100 Apple billboards, 50 Android billboards, and 25 for the Blackberry. And not 1 single advertisement for the Pre. Well, maybe 1 ..sort of.. for a week .. And TV/ web commercials? One.. of someone walking down a city street not socializing with anyone. iPhone set the stage/ bar, Android positioned itself as the robust can-do alternative. Palm has no positioning and no coherent message. How about: "The Palm Pre: Got the Whole World in Your Hands." or how about "The Palm Pre: talk without the dropped calls, navigate on the most advanced Smart Phone platform on the market." So even if it's on par, you've got to advertise it for people to believe it. I mean... one last thing: Palm had a built in camera flash before the iPhone 2, a decent sliding keyboard before the newest blackberry, multitasking before iPhone 3 and Android, but who the heck knew about it? You've got to throw the bank account at the marketing department to make a dent in public perception in this industry. The first step in marketing 101: build awareness!

"The consumer has all but written off Palm anyway and HP can afford for the company to not sell a single phone for a year or more if that

As much as I love my Pre+, I love it solely for the operating system. Even if more consumers are shown how awesome webOS is, many simply won't care unless Palm moves the app catalog beyond ebooks, soundboards, and some Gameloft games (on a good day).

Fact is, they're going to have to sell the operating system, a new phone model, AND apps. It's a big sell...so can they do it?

Great Article. Now Lets see if they can actually pull this off. I have my faith, but Ill admit I have my doubts as well.

Well said. The APIs for the microphone and camera... hello, voice dialing! Something that many non-smartphones have, why is that not present?

The only good thing now for me, with a Pre Plus, is that I get to tether for free. But it drives me nuts to see all the apps for Android/iOS coming out every day, and next to nothing for my Palm.

I'm familiar with Windows, and am always disappointed. I know Palm, and loved it for years-I don't know webos I but am pulling for it to win my heart by doing what I need! Work, work fast, and remember I am not a programmer, so I don't want to try downloading programs to make the os work well. Right Android?

the title of this is funny when you look back at it from now.

Wow. What a difference a few months make. Consider this headline re-write: HP totally fails to reboot the public perception of Palm, kills the brand off only to commit hari kari with failed product launches.

I was, in the market for 3 new phones out of the 4 lines I have. I've had the Pre's since they arrived. I am dissapointed that mine will NOT be upgradable to the New webOS. Also problems with the camera not working, cracking screens and a few other quirks. But thw worst of all, it the fact that Sprint has made it impossible to replace even a broken "Smartphone" with a new one without paying an additional 10 bucks a month per line. Heck, the way pricing is going, I'll be able to go to ANY carrier and pay the same amout by the time MY contract runs out. Sprint made a huge mistake making everyone pay for a few data hungry users. Sprint used to be, The Best Deal, around.