Experimental kernel brings a (literally?) blistering 1.2 Ghz overclock to the Pre 75
One of the latest custom kernels to hit the testing feeds from the webOS Internals group (more specifically developer unixpsycho) is certainly mind bending: the SR71 BlackBird kernel is capable of clocking the OMAP3430 processor inside of every Pre and Pre Plus to an astonishing 1.2Ghz, allowing those devices to enjoy twice the clock speed of the silicon as spec'd by the manufacturer and a cool 200Mhz advantage over both the HTC Evo and the Droid X. Other enhancements include memory tweaks to alleviate the "too many cards" issue, a Screenstate governor that scales the clock speed from 500MHz on up and more.
Overclocking is still very much an at-your-own-risk endeavor (Palm doesn't recommend it, of course), and those looking for a hassle free approach should stick with the stable kernels available in Preware as the BlackBird kernel in its current form is experimental and is guaranteed to fail at this point, necessitating a visit to the webOS Doctor. But hey - it's fun to push the envelope and enjoy those advantages for at least a little while, right?
Source: PreCentral Forums; more coverage: webosroundup; Thanks to geeksquadkid for the tip!
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AMAZING...
yAWN! So when is WebOS 2.0 supposed to come out?
Ask Palm.
shut the fuck up with 2.0
That's funny. You can say fuck, as many fucking times as you'd fucking like to fucking say it.....
But you can't say fanb**..... That's classic.
He may be vulgar, but at least he isn't bitching about the same 2 or 3 things in every thread regardless of topic. I'm so sick of reading "Where's Flash/hardware/update?" in every article's comments. It's like listening to a bunch of retarded 5 year olds asking "are we there yet" for a whole car ride, knowing full well that once we arrive, they'l find something else to bitch and moan about. You're not trolls, you're worse.... You're 'tards.
WOW
I went into preware and thought I added the testing feed, seemed like it succeeded but I still have all the same options, and under the kernels page there is still only 4, stock and uber for pixi and pre...
anybody else not able to get the testing feeds to load in preware?
you also have to add the kernel testing feed
I had an experimental 1GHZ kernel loaded before, but what I started to notice is that my Touchstone couldn't keep the phone charging when it went that fast. It would stay on the charger and just slowly lose power. Has anyone else experienced this with overclocking?
you shouldn't have that problem, since this kernel puts the speed back to 500mhz when charging on the touchstone and when the screen is off
... and a cool 200Mhz advantage over both the HTC Evo...
LOL, let's not even bother to mention the fact that those other devices can be overclocked as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkSKQASCIDQ
Considering how many droid-of-the-week owners have advised us they are too good to spend the few minutes to update the kernel to lift a 1+ year phone, the droid hacks are irrelevant, or those trolls lose all (pervieved) credibility.
PreDogs, you make me laugh. Thank you. :-)
I feel special! Haha
glad to see someone post a video ;)
Oooooooh! A 1ghz processor being OC'd to 1.267ghz!!! Way to push the envelope Android devs! :-p
Yes, that makes sense. If you're in a Ford Escort and blowing your engine to keep up with a Porsche, it is the Porsche that is bad since they are only stepping on the accelerator "a little". Silly.
Anyway, the comment was not meant to start a flame, it's just in response to a specific statement in the article; nothing more.
Just remember the Motorola Droid has had a 1.2 kernel since early 2010 and we still have kernels higher than 1.2. So just remember your still playing catch up
Yes... Playing Catch-up... with over a year old phone that is stock at 500/600 mhz.
I think it is amazing they are putting the Pre/Pre+ through. Would we prefer to have a brand new stock 1Ghz+ phone... of course... but we are making do with what we have!
By the end of the year we should be back on top... which in today's world just means you have the latest phone/hardware... although in iPhone land, they stayed more with the status quo then pushing any particular boundries (except display).
hey tasselhof I give props to the droid overclocking to 1.2ghz because it's running at stock speeds of only 550mhz.. The 1ghz snapdragon didn't see the light of day until the EVO.... I just looked up specs for the droid. Lol..
Droid's clocked at 800 mHz.
No, its not, Its 550 stock.
http://iphonehelp.in/2009/11/30/motorola-droid-vs-iphone-3gs-review/
i know how old the pre is i got mine on launch weekend. and i know they are both clocked at 550 or so. im just glad this kernel has finally made it to pre land the speed is great at this clock speed watch out for the heat though
A stock N1 running 2.2 could still run circles around a pre running 1.2Ghz. Its not always about processor speed, and while the Pre is a year old, the N1 is 6 months old, which is still old for smartphones. If the Palm community wants to put its money where its mouth is, develop some benchmarks, then we'll talk. Start off with a Linpack, then 3D benchmark.
ok.... So..... It's not about how fast your processor is alot of times.. It's about how your device or computer uses it. Apple proved that with their G series computers.
I know this is Palm and not Apple... But lets not forget who was one of the people behind that G series at Apple.. Jon Rubinstein... And Palm has him.
+1
I have my pre using the sr71 kernel now. I haven't had any problems with it at all. But I'm not sure if there is to much noticeable difference from this and thundercheif on outward speed appearance, but I do love it.
hey did you do something special than just installed this beacause my pre wont tolerate this..
Some Pres are Chuck Norris' and some are wet paper bags... just the way it is.
In the kernel thread, there are far more fails than wins.
http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/255538-sr71-blackbird-kerne...
I got a Chuck :D Running SR71 flawlessly so far
I am offically naming my Pre Chuck.
My first one wasn't great, but this replacement takes anything I throw at it.
i installed this but i take off since my pre wont stay on. doesnt work for me at least for now.. too bad!
I can't wait to try it. So what if my Pre melts into plastic puddle.
Be warned this Kernel does not work on every phone, I had to doctor my phone after trying this OC Kernel.
Can't help but think this time would be better spent elsewhere.
Doing what exactly?
We already have pretty much any patch/modification to WebOS itself that we need.
The only patch I am missing/would like is one that turns off the screen when it is locked and on the touchstone... currently I make do using Quick System Tasks.
Now if it were Palm employees spending this time, then I might agree, but there isn't much else for the Dev team to do/tweak without some official updates from Palm/HP.
Most noteable some missing API's like Microphone, Camera, and Voice Activation.
Agreed, if hobbyists and tech genius's want to doublespeed their phones in their free time, it's great that the Pre has that depth of capability and Palm doesn't continuously put up road blocks.
We cant all spend our days meditating and posting one line "benign" zingers in a forum where r-nice has nothing but negative comments That seems like the most collosal waste of time, but if that's the most productive or entertaining part of r-nice's life, it warms my heart to see how much WebOS and its fans annoy him.
Each of his visits and petty little comments validates how significant Palm and WebOS are in the industry. So in the spirit of Palmparchma and CatCarcass,...knock yourself out!
+1 Heheh :D
You DO know that the Brightness Unlinked program has the option to turn the screen off while on the Touchstone, right?
I thought everyone in the homebrew scene had that app?
Thats right. I forgot that i put that patch n didnt know why people complained they couldnt sleep w/ the light of phone on ts.
Remember, Palm has nothing to do with these customized / optimized kernels.
240% speed is fine by me :D
I think we have to face the fact that the Majority of Subscribers are loyal to their carriers, rather than phones. Those who are on Sprint, are for the most part going to stay with Sprint. That being said, why would we say that a tricked out/overclocked Verizon or AT&T Pre is almost as good as an EVO, when EVO is exclusive to Sprint. As if anyone is going to cancel their reasonably & Economicaly sound contract with Sprint. They wont. Even a Sprint PRE owner would rather lose a left arm then sign up with AT&T for a PrePlus. Just won't happen. So face it, if you're on Sprint, your PRE (Not WebOS.... because I love WebOS), will not really measure up to the Majority of the newer smartphones hardware coming out right now. Can we just admit to that one simple fact?
Totally agree, as a Palm fan, as a Sprint subscriber of ten years, and a proud Pre Minus owner.
The benfits of the Pre Plus on AT&T or Verizon just aren't worth losing Sprint.
I just hope that new 2nd gen. hardware running webOS comes to Sprint along with the other carriers.
I could've written that entire response word for word, lol, I'm not the only long term sprint customer. They need to make an uber-premier tier of perks for us 10yr vets.
with the SR7 kernel I see a little difference in speed but nothing to serious...i haven't really seen a boost in speed after the 800 Mhz kernel...but if your runnin a stock Pre/Pre+ and you jump to the 1.2Ghzyou see the difference....but I honestly think we will see big speed improvement with more RAM AND NEW HARDWARE... But GREAT WORK on this kernel and thankyou for the work you've done!!!! KEEP IT UP!!!
For as often as the PRE has to go to the Pits for a tune up... it will surely lose the race. Daddy Warbucks says he ain't racing phones anymore... he's putting the WebOS engine in Puters and Corporate Servers.
props to all the dev's, but my Pre Plus overclocked to 800mHz is more than plenty for me, and no issues whatsoever.
and you Sprint peeps may be loyal to your carrier, but I can tell ya AT&T peeps are not. That'll be proven when the iPhone hits Verizon in January.
Well.. then why would an AT&T PRE owner stay with AT&T when Verizon also has a PREplus?
if you live in so cal i think your crazy to use atat or Verizon. Sprint works great here and cost so much less i used over 28gb of data last month no extra charge try that with atat or verizon my bill was 82 bucks for everything and im not being charged a extra 10 for the evo there is no 4g here so no charge
Sprint's coverage in SoCal is great. I commute an hour each way to work and drive every freeway in LA regularly. I almost never drop calls, even with the mountians and valleys that make up this area. My friends with iPhones drop calls all the time (even before the iPhone antenna problem).
Question... how many women and seniors would even know about overclocking their Palm PRE. If they can't go to the SprintStore and get it done (Which they can't because Sprint doesn't even recommend it), chances are it will never be done. So to them, they're looking at a phone that doesn't do what the other newer phones will do. The Treo was as popular as the iPhone was before it came out. Anyone who had a smartphone had a Treo or a BlackBerry....easy to use out of the box, with little to know tweaks required. Why can't we have a phone like that?
First off my wife's palm pre is overclocked to 800mhz done by me of course but don't dis the ladies for not knowing this stuff they just do care, my wife included but she sure use her phone and loves it. My evo is overclocked running at 1200mhz so lets not get carried away with this 200mhz over the evo crap.My evo is running froyo 2.2 awesome phone. cant wait to try stable version of this maybe a option like superkernel to run at 1000mhz and 1100mhz
So it sounds like you're sticking with Sprint too. I don't blame you.
/me smacks haters around a bit with a large trout.
Id just like to say that 550 was not cutting it really. I went to 800mhz and browsing pics/taking videos got a lot faster although i still get random freezes and glitches here and there. it is what it is.. an awesome phone for cowboys.. you wanna be a cowboy or play in some wussie garden.. Now 1.2ghz.. that sounds wild and outta control. something right up my alley. Im gonna rip my phone apart tonight with this kernel. who cares if it fries.. get another piece of plastic from the plastic store.. speed is what i need. greasy fast palm (Italian) speed.
My Chuck Norris Pre is now literally faster than most computers I have owned!
This borked my Sprint Pre. I uninstalled the Uberkernel, then restarted. Then I installed the the SR71 BlackBird kernel and the Pre won't boot--stuck on the palm boot-screen logo. I'm downloading a fresh "Doctor" as I type. Just back up your files, boys...
and girls :). I'm just about ready to try the 800mhz now that I hear mostly good results. Cuz the tmc error makes me want to kill people.......
im still at the standard 500 mhz...how do i at least get it up to 800 mhz?
get it from Preware
This is beyond dangerous and shouldn't even be made. Do the creators not realize 1Ghz brings dangerous temps just during idle? I can only imagine 1.2Ghz. Listen, it's a Palm Pre, it has limits, stop this. So many people are going to brick there phones because of this, there's no reason to do this AT ALL.
the pre has its own doctor. DR.webOS
Ive been running my pre at 1Ghz (F105 Thunderchief) and havnt had a issues with heat at all. I use the patch that puts the temp in your device menu next to the battery and also have a patch that warns me if my temp gets too hott (i believe at 45 degrees). I left my pre on my dash mounted touchstone (charging) in my car throughout my 9-5 shift. My pre was in direct sunlight when i got back to the car, and it was about 95 degrees all day. still no issues. Ironically, i have also had far fewer heat warnings than i did before (i didnt have scaling enabled before). I dont plan on trying 1.2 before they consider it a little more stable tho.
>and a cool 200Mhz advantage over both the HTC Evo and the Droid X.
Um, you mean over a *STOCK* Evo. The Evo can be overlocked too, you know (it has already been done, and only two weeks after the phone was released)... http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/htc-evo-overclocked/
All I have to say is the reason why I'm so fearless with my pre is that my update is in 12 days so sr71 and up here I come.
All I have to say is the reason why I'm so fearless with my pre is that my update is in 12 days so sr71 and up here I come.
I installed the kernel 2 days ago. Worked fine for a day... Then I watched youtube and the phone restarted. After that I couldn't use my speaker or earpiece speaker. And I had a big blank gap between my signal bars and my battery indicator. Otherwise it was an awesome test. Went back to the more stable F105. There's an update that says it'll match the voltage of the sr71. I think I'll pass for now.
It's actually sad when you listen to this... everyone wants new hardware so bad they're doing anything they can to make this fossil perform. I know I know... then someone will say... the PRE doesn't need to be faster it's perfect the way it is. Yeah.. .the "Too Many Cards" error messages is to help you realize that you need to take a step back in life and really take a look at what is important...
I fold!!
Forget the new phone you're gonna have to wait for it at least till summer of 2011... I WILL be getting a PalmPad when it comes out though.
Interesting. I'll be skipping this, but kudos to the developers.
what you peeps don't get is the word experiment. Wiki has a great page about it. Then maby you will all understad why this being done.
Just for kicks I installed the sr71 kernel on my palm pixi. Govnah said it was still at 600ghz so i decided to delete govnah and see what happens. While govnah cant prove it, my pixi is just as fast as my friend's pre with the sr71 kernel. For everyone curious out there it is possible to overclock your pixi just dont install govnah. If anyone is skeptical I will be glad to post a video.
a new reconditioned Palm Pre for me, courtesy of Sprint, thanks to this kernel experiment...who do I thank?
You know what sounds nice? A 1 ghz pre. You know what doesn't sound nice? A melted Pre. You know what sounds nice? A Pre with a processor about as fast as the Evo. You know what doesn't sound nice? Continuous doctor visits. This kernel sounds incredible, and if I REALLY wanted to, I could go through the hassle of it. But, I don't think I will, because school will start again. And then I can't do anything to save my Pre there. What if my Pre's temp explodes and I get a melted pre IN THE MIDDLE OF CLASS? I can't go through with that. This is extremely tempting, but I just can't do it. Maybe I'll just wait for it to go into Uber. And I doubt Verizon will let me take in a overclocked Pre Plus in for a new one. Until then, I think I will just wish and still with my 800 mhz uber. But, GREAT JOB DEVS!!!!!!!
Just want to say to all the doubters that this kernel is no freakin joke insanely fast and i mean it. you seriously don't even know. like the virtual keyboard is actually usable now as its so quick to load, the videos and pics browse and render without any lag. There are countless benefits to installing this with no real downside unless your not following directions. I have used this for 2 weeks now and can say.
a. its the bomb.
b. no overheating issues whatsoever
c. works like a champ with 1.4.5 as well as the last version of webOS
d. when you install this DELETE GOVNAH BEFOREHAND, THEN REINSTALL IT, THEN DONT TOUCH THE SETTINGS!!!!! Govnah will show you running at 1.2 ghz but if you change any profiles or play around and dont know what your doing it will reset your speeds.