Flash Beta is out ...for Android / Froyo 103
We've been waiting for Adobe's Flash to come to webOS since February of last year, but it's Google's newest release of its Android operating system announced at the Google IO event in San Francisco, version 2.2 or "Froyo", that will be the first mobile OS to support the re-worked, GPU accelerated and touch optimized web technology that has been the topic of such hot debate in recent months. As you'd expect, there wasn't any news pertaining to webOS.
When we'll finally see the technology come the way of webOS is still a guessing game at this point. Adobe has continually pushed back any tentative launch dates over the past year - the company originally planned on a late-2009 release, and subsequently pushed that date back to vague "first half of 2010" back in November, and outside of the occasional demo of Flash-based games and videos and the like on the platform, the company has remained quiet since.
Will we actually see Flash before the first half of 2010 closes in just over a month? The prospect is actually still looking good, as the groundwork for Flash has already been put into place and an upcoming update to webOS will expand the possibilities of what developers can do with the PDK. We know, we know, too often when we get our hopes up we find them dashed. Maybe, though, just maybe we'll see it soon.
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Deceiving title.. :( I got all excited for 2 seconds..
Yes...what a downer...two seconds of hope and then no joy! Sorli...
Same here... kinda depressing...
As always Palm disappoints and so does adobe. Thanks for nothing.
HTC EVO JUNE 4th!
good luck getting flash on that... remember its gonna be android 2.1, with sense... which means 2.2 upgrade sometime next century...
HTC stated phones that came out in 2010 will have 2.2 this year. They named the EVO, Incredible, and Desire specifically. Updating a phone from 2.1 to 2.2 isn't as hard as updating something on 1.X to 2.1
Yeah the title should be changed...I was ecstatic...then crushed. Not cool.
ditto
Adobe you have about 1 more month... ;)
Is it still the 1st half or second half.
But I really don't care about flash anymore. But it would be nice to watch justin.tv..
I really don't care anymore either. Would much rather see HTML5 adopted more widely.
Tired of waiting... This was one of the selling points on launch day. It's a Beta for f*%^ sake, release it and let us deal with the shortcomings.
In a perfect world that would be sound logic, but most people nowadays are either impatient or simply don't understand what the word "Beta" means.
Add to that the fact that the media travels faster than light, and the headlines go from "Adobe's Flash Beta is ready to try", to, "Adobe's Flash UNDER-PERFORMS LIKE STEVE JOBS SAID IT WOULD! THE MESSIAH SPOKE AND NOW WE UNDERSTAND!"
Gah! I love technology, but its whole existence is based on sales to people that don't understand it, take it for granted, or believe that it's some kind of divine right to own.
Cell phones themselves are created and peddled by THE DEVIL HERSELF, I've come to believe.
(sorry for the theological references, but in many ways technology is sharing the many traits of religion)
With all the flack that Adobe is getting about Flash being buggy, they aren't going to release any buggy version. Blame the all-out assault on Flash by Apple.
Try again . Not true . They have released a buggy beta for Android:
http://bit.ly/c5sBdA
http://bit.ly/9LfBEU
http://bit.ly/bz3GEj
Steve was right about the parallel port, the PS/2 port, the 3.5" floppy .. and now? Flash. Be glad it's not ready for webOS. Let Android see if it can actually work.
Yah, Steve was right about PowerPC, Newton, Co-operative Multitasking, ADB, and the one button action mouse too!!! The only cred I will give the man is recognizing that most of the world identifies with Fisher-Price toys.
I agree when I saw that android was gettin it first I wasn't surprise they have a bigger user base adobe is goinn to take care of them first, but they ben promisein it to webos for a year, it's not RITE
But whose fault is it?
Adobe is claiming it's Palm's fault (for not providing them with the APIs they need)...they are still in "negotiations" for them, according to Adobe's forum.
Most here seem to think it's Adobe's fault.
By the time flash comes out for webos devices, Flash will be obsolete, and even that's not that far away in the future. At least one can only hope.
Ah, drive-by Flash bashing.
Go back to biting your fruit.
I understand HTML5 is faster and uses much less band width, but do you use your Pre to surf the net? The majority of sites still use Flash. Its anoying and im tired of it. Any device that calls itself technologicaly advanced and doesnt run flash is full of it. Apple can claim all they want that Flash isnt important, but their iMac's have flash.
Not one other fucking carrier was mention when they said WebOS will get it first, Now it seem more and more likely we will probably be getting it last when we been had the damn ground work done for that shit. That is one of the main reason most of us got our Pre. Oh well 11 more days..:)
Yeah 11 more days can't wait till I experience 4G.
+1
F*CK you adobe.....
My sentiments exactly.
Why would Adobe prioritize a hobbyist OS?
Barring any amazing hardware announcements, I think I'll be switching to the EVO for a year while Palm gets fully-baked in HP's oven, perhaps start up some new momentum. I shall continue app development on webOS, however.
I understand that, from a business stadpoint, it makes sense to get it on Android first. But, also from a business standpoint, it doesn't make sense to lie to consumers. I distinctly remember Adobe saying WebOS would get it first. That's one of the primary reasons I sank money into WebOS and not Android on Sprint. F*ck you, Adobe!
do any other android phone beyond nexus one has froyo? Do that people smart enoguh to remeber the launch date of yet another android phone now called evo know the actual date that one is going to receive the froyo update?. Is not that htc is super fast about updates either.
but yeah it hasnt been something nice from adobe to palm even when they have demoed flash a lot in webOS.
so go get your evo 4g nobody cares.......
We can only wait & see how long until flash comes to webos, but hopefully they will release before the 2nd half of this year.
Adobe has already stated (posted in article earlier on P|C) that it would be 2nd 1/2 of 2010 for mobile platforms. Don't expect before end of 2010.
They rooted the damn HTC EVO already!! and i believe once thats done the Update might pop up just like that and Flash player 10.1 will be on it.
Adobe is the one to blame for the delay and obviously they don't want users to complain about the undergrade performance...so we can wait.
In fact as a consumer you'll have to wait. It is not about choices once you decided your OS.
But my palm pr
When I think of Flash, I think of annoying ads. T.G. for Flashblock and AdBlockPlus on Firefox. I'll guess that I will need them on my Pre if I ever install Flash.
Adobe you son of a ...........
Thanks FreudSlipped for your comment. I have to keep that in mind...I don't want my beautiful screen ruined by some real big flash adds...now off to diner.
subtract one d, add one n.
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Cruelest title ever. Period. I literally threw both fists in the air, and then, "Oh, hell."
ADOBE you are nothing but a FLASH in the PAN..... HTML5 will win out, I belive in 2010...especially if you keep delaying...
Anyone else able to see the videos on www.ted.com? While the page doesn't render quite right, the videos play for me on my Palm Pre!! When I watch the videos on my computer, it uses Flash. I am wondering how these vids play on my Palm Pre?
Thanks!
that's HTML5 doing it's job, pretty cool huh? Only downside is that there's no video player so you can't pause or rewind
I love The Palm Pre.
Unless Adobe can make it run well, I wouldn't even want it on my Sprint Pre. I'd rather Adobe concentrate on Android since they have much better hardware to pick from. I want Adobe to be successful and make Apple look like jerks for dissing it. If Adobe releases a crappy implementation of it on the Pre then Apple wins short-term...
LOL .. So far, Mr. Jobs was correct .. it's crap on Android thus far:
http://bit.ly/c5sBdA
?http://bit.ly/9LfBEU
?http://bit.ly/bz3GEj
Another reason I'm headed to HTC EVO 4G. Users like PreDogs will put 100 pct of the blame on Adobe, but Palm has been telling us from day one the major applications that they would be supporting and it has not come to fruition.
If Palm would have a 4G webos phone with Palm/Sprint support for being a wifi hot spot, then I'd stay.
I agree, That's the only way i'll come back. til then i'm jumping ship in 11 days..:)
Do you guys have 4G in your area?
Hell yeah! And if you don't have 4G and you live close to a Radio shack they will be having WIMAX hotspots for a few blocks if anyone is lucky enough to live close to one.
From what I understand Radio Shack is using WiMax signal repeaters, which don't create 4g signal on their own. So, if there is no 4g in the area to begin with, there won't be any at Radio Shack either.
Let them find out the hard way. :)
Like the guy that thinks Walmart is going to be transmitting Wimax from all their stores.
Or the thousands that think they wont have to pay the required 4G surcharge for Evo because they dont live in a 4G supported area.
The Walmart thing was written about in a article a while back. They went to Walmart wanting to rent space on their buildings for towers. WiMax towers can be relitively small and cover approximately 40 square miles. Although it was proposed, I never could find another article indicating if Walmart even discussed this with them. I need to research the Radio Shack thing. A guy at Best Buy indicated that the Houston area has coverage, but that its spotty at best.
@carter
Adobe is the delay. If Palm has delayed any API's then say so. Don't let them just drop that comment in their own forum as a form of damge control. Rubi has ben very supportive of Adobe, it's time for them to reciprocate.
Enjoy your android, we will miss you.
I will enjoy it. They just announced the SlingPlayer...
http://www.androidcentral.com/sling-player-android-evo-4g-nuff-said
Palm told us a year ago that they would have this. I know that they don't write the software, but they do work with the software companies and nobody else seems to have as much problems as Palm getting apps deployed.
I will take a year off, after 10 plus years of using Palm products, to go with Android. I hope that Palm develops a kick ass better phone to compete and if they do, I'll be back.
I tired of waiting on adobe flash. Plus my pre keeps on freezing and it says to many cards open and I only have one open. Now I know why people talk shit about palm pre because it SUCKS... The app catolog suck overall this phone is a 5 out 10. IT's all about the HTC evo 4g that has everything you want in a phone. So bye bye palm pre and hello Evo 4g.
run forrest run! You gotta love adobe sometimes. Photoshop is not bad either.
I'm over it. If I want to use flash I'll just use my netbook. I have no need for something that will FLASH drain my battery anyways.
it would of been nice to have bragging rights but oh well. I have a good feeling that a new WebOS device anouncement will come before summers end. If not I don't know what to think but seeing as I'm moving to another part of the state I might take advantage of getting a second line on my Sprint account and get some updated hardware from a different OS and keep my main line upgrade open for when a new WebOS device is available and I can jump all over that like a fat kid with cake and be basking in my WebOS glory...
sucks that there is so little real palm pre news now they are posting Android news. But there's always time for more stories about developers and sdks and stuff that isn't tangible for the consumer. the persons that matter. the person above that said this is a hobbyist phone i think is sort of close to the truth.
Should be really quiet now. Palm already went into survival mode (product development), they can't announce future hardware details because of the surplus inv, they don't have funds for new ad campaigns. And HP can't say anything because they are an outside party for now.
beautiful.. i was gonna stick w/ palm for a little while longer but this is the nail in the coffin.. 4G Evo here i come.
htc EVO 4g with flash 10.1 ....bye palm pre!!!
Flash even slow down my computer so it will slow down a stock (non overclocking) pre! For the person who said palm gave you everything you asked for.. Well we still don't have voice recording. Still can't record phone calls. No voice dialing or any mic access. No real document editer. Everytime I see an Iphone commercial I just drool and wish my Pre does half the stuff.
Kids, Im taking names, if in two months all of you that want the next flashy thing of the month do not leave the comment section and are not already whining in the androidcentral or tipb sites, Im gonna chase you and kick asses.
Adobe is the delay. If Palm has delayed any API's then say so. Don't let them just drop that comment in their own forum as a form of damge control. Rubi has ben very supportive of Adobe, it's time for them to reciprocate.
Enjoy your android, we will miss you.
I think it's safe to say the WebOS community really dislikes Adobe for deceiving us.
Nice one Adobe... this is why you will lose developers to HTML 5.
Where's the Beta version we were promised months ago?
Flash has never been close enough to release for me to get excited. But it does look likely that Adobe lacks the ability to develop quickly enough to keep pace with emerging technologies.
its just bad press for adobe ... but business is business ..they prob thought palm wouldnt make it...
scru all the haterz. i love webos and it's user friendlyness. i was playing with my buddy's droid this weekend and i couldn't figure out the multi tasking thing. even tho my phone isn't the best out there (sprint pre) i'll be using it till it dies or till a new webos device comes out. besides, my year isn't till september so by then the new device should be out, and even if it's not i'm not in a rush to switch to the evo or incredible or whatever.
before the pre i had a treo.
Hey mehigh I'm with you man, I love webOS but I don't think people are hating on WebOS on this post. They are hating on Adobe.
I've also used an android device. The one thing android OS has that I will WebOS would have are widgets... but i guess for that to happen webOS would also need to have a wide desktop like android has.
I feel like I'm the only that doesn't care about having flash on my phone, phones suck for using the internet. Does flash do anything other then that? I might have missed the memo
I feel like I'm the only that doesn't care about having flash on my phone, phones suck for using the internet. Does flash do anything other then that? I might have missed the memo
I find it just the oposite. I can be sitting ten feet away from my iMac and will use my Palm to surf the net. Its only a matter of time before desktop and laptop computers are a thing of the past. Not that the iPad is even close to the answer, but when they come out with a tablet with real power and storage, with a external keyboard, the end will come quickly.
I feel like I'm the only that doesn't care about having flash on my phone, phones suck for using the internet. Does flash do anything other then that? I might have missed the memo
It's both worrisome and disappointing that Adobe seems to have taken down any mention of the Pre on their Flash 10.1 page. They used to have a signup to be notified when the Flash 10.1 beta was released. Not only has that been removed, but there is no mention whatsoever about the Pre or any Flash 10.1 beta for the Pre. Don't really know what to think at this point ...
dont get your panties in a wad. the review of flash 10.1 on the android made the phone barely usable and slower than all other smartphones. who wants that? maybe it's a blessing pre doesn't have it to further bog it down?
Yeah, I tweeted about this during i/o. Still waiting on the day the beta will be released for WebOS users. Kind of a slap in the face of us Pre users.
For those saying EVO. you obviously have never used a droid phone yet. navigation is a nightmare.. that virtual keyboard is the worst. its got all the support... none of the smoothness. and to iPhone users that means a lot. So before you jump head first on the EVO.. realize what you go in your palm.
i got a phone with a keyboard. Not apps. don't know if i'll move to an EVO but the though the interface of webos is nice there isn't anything i can do on it that i can't do on another platform just as well. or anything i care about. now it's just calls, text and occasional web surfing. and an occasional facebook app. And i've used Android. i like it.
Dont worry, Sprint is releasing two other 4G phones by the end of the year, im sure one of them will have a keyboard. Unfortunately neither one of them is a Palm.
And Clear is releasing two 4G phones that make Evo look like a digital brick. It's nice to have choices.
I spent two weeks with a Droid, wanting it to work well so I'd know where I was headed if Palm vaporized. Very clunky, bordering annoying, opening and moving beteen tasks. And when apps sisnt work, hard to know if it was the user, the app, the device or the o/s version lousing it up. Enjoy the Evo! Go HP, it will be great to see Palm operate with leverage and leadership.
GOODBYE Palm PRE!
After 1 year and 5 Defected Palm Pre's (no, Seriously! 5 Phones in 12 months, freeze, screen, keyboard issues, freezing devise, I HAD IT ALL!).... I'm saying goodbye to Pre and prescentral. Moving on with Androidcentral and HTC Evo. I'm very disappointed with this devise, lack of applications, battery life, I could go on & on. Moving on with to new features and TONS of applications... For me, Sometimes is not the phone itself that makes it the BEST, Sometimes is the available applications that make it the BEST. But Palm does not get it!
Thanks Precentral for All the GREAT Forum and Information!
Hey!! Maybe i can pimp my evo to WebOS when i get it..:)
Tommorrows the last day RadioShack is taking pre orders for the EVO, so you will need to go soon. I'm not that impressed by the EVO living in a 3G area. If I had 4G then it would be something I would consider.
Eric Slivka:
"Furthermore, while the demonstration appears to show adequate ability to play Flash-based games, the browser
put deposit down on evo last weekend at BB.
Hate all you want. Droid is getting slingbox in june. Leaving winmo for this phone left me pissed. No slingbox, no xm radio, no flash(used skyfire). By next month I will have everything I use my phone for back again. Also lets be honest the hardware on these devices is not even comparable. Webos rocks all other aspects suck. I will deal with the os issues to have the multimedia monster.
flame suit activated.
Amen. I have always said that WebOS is far superior that Android and the iPhone OS, but the Pre and Pre+ have TOO many shortcomings that really prevent the phone from being above the best AS A WHOLE. Yes, if the next Pre (if) has HTC-like hardware and WORTHY apps, then I will not hesitate on coming back. But in it's current state, it's not worth sticking around.
Many people here don't get that, but it's ok, I also have the flame suit activated.
Bye palm pre. It's only a matter of days now.
EVO 4G, HERE I COME! BUH-BYE PALM PRE! YEEEEEEEHAAAAWWWWWWW!!!!!
Hey! Catcarcass is a alive! Do I have to give by my deadpool money?
Oh look, it's PreMutt.
Oh look, it's PreMutt.
EVO keeps looking better and better see you next year palm hp when you have something new and better
WebOS is amazing, and the Pre has been okay...but honestly in todays fast paced world, why wait? We have waited for Flash, for Apps, for updates, for everything...and it sucks. I too am going EVO in 11 days, but you can bet if something new does come along next year, Ill be back... But also look at where things have come in the last year, who knows what next years devices may bring.
i have a pre and a nexus...flash is not smooth by far. its not horrible, but it took a smooth browser and made it a lot less smooth. i personally dont think the pre will run good a all.(especially since the processor is so weak compared to the nexus)
Im all about the EVO but its an extra $10 per month to use the 4G. Anyone else dislike that?
isn't EVO being released with Android 2.1? Flash is in 2.2? If this is the case, then a lot of EVO "converts" will be disappointed. I could be wrong....
That depends on whether or not you can upgrade your Android from 2.1 to 2.2, I think.
it is amazing the amount of idiots that talk about jumping ship. who the hell cares. webOS is the best. it is amazing how damn impatient we have become. i would rather have a flash 10.1 with great funtionality than one that comes to the phone that causes you dumb2#$%%& to have one more thing to complain about. For pete's sake get a life.
i gave up on adobe flash for mobile about 6 months ago so should everyone else
Don't feel bad that you're not getting flash, the only thing it does to my N1 is makes it slow and laggy...
Someone correct me if I'm fundamentally misunderstanding something, but couldn't someone port OpenLaszlo to WebOS and make the whole Flash discussion moot? I mean, if you can run OpenLaszlo, you can run at least Flash 8 and Flash 9 apps, right?
I've carried a phone with a Palm OS for over 9 years. ...Alas it's now time to say bye, bye Palm. Hello HTC. Bring it on - EVO 4G!
all you ppl who are jumping ship to your 4g HTC Android are ignorant..first of all 95i of you don't have 4G coverage and won't until 2011 long after Flash arrives not to mention its always been the first half of 2010 from Adobe, everything else were rumors and the app catalog is equal filled with thousands of apps but only double digits worth a shit and my 800Mhz is 200 less than Snapdragon which i'l gladly sacrifice for smoother multitasking, sync...ect...so see ya fools