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by Dieter Bohn Mon, 21 Jun 2010 8:01 pm EDT

 

Reader David E. Lich has submitted a great article on his GTD system with webOS, Basecamp, and Backpack. If you're looking to be more productive with your Pre or Pixi, read on!

Like many who have written in the PreCentral forums, I have struggled with the lack of full-featured, sync-able task and memo apps on the Palm Pre. I experimented with several solutions, but each left me less than satisfied. Some sync over Wi-Fi to the desktop, but that didn’t work for me because I use multiple desktops and was unable to figure out how to keep that all straight. Others sync via USB cable, but those require user intervention, and that seems so passé in the new world of cloud computing.

I finally settled on a combination of desktop and mobile solutions that do the trick – quite well, in fact. They sync (two-way) over the internet without user intervention. The synergy among the products is superior to the legacy Palm OS task and memo apps that we have all missed. The best part – all these apps and services have free versions that are not time-limited, and they will be adequate for most users. Power users may upgrade to the paid versions if their needs exceed the limitations of the free plans.

The combination of software upon which I have settled is:

  • Outline Tracker Free on the Pre, produced by Hominid Software and available in App Catalog;
  • Basecamp by 37Signals (download at http://37signals.com/) as the cloud based back-end service for tasks and memos, which is also accessible from the desktop;
  • Backpack, also from 37Signals, for reminders, also accessible from the desktop.

Here is how I use them together.

Outline Tracker Free

I was initially put off by the fact that, as suggested by its name, Outline Tracker is inherently an outline program rather than a task manager. However, as I experimented with it and started thinking a little “outside the box”, I learned its outline concept is actually a benefit. While the free version of Basecamp (see below) supports only one “Project”, the outline concept of Outline Tracker is perfect for maintaining multiple separate to-do lists, each on a separate major outline level, with its items below it as “child” entries, all within the single Project of the free version of Basecamp. Items with a due date automatically appear in the webOS calendar.

Below is a screenshot of a sample Outline Tracker “Outline” showing each to-do list as a separate major level. In its latest update, Outline Tracker was enabled for both portrait and landscape views depending on the orientation of the Pre; however I actually find this to be a bit of an annoyance since I prefer to always view Outline Tracker in portrait orientation. I have suggested to Hominid that a preference be added to disable landscape (Update: they have in a software update). But for those who may disagree, below is also a screenshot of the same outline in landscape orientation:

Each of the major levels can be expanded to see the individual items within it by tapping the icon to its left. Below is a screenshot displaying the “Move Daughter Home from Dorm” list expanded to show its individual child items, and a screenshot of the webOS calendar reflecting the items scheduled for April 5:

Outline Tracker stores all its data locally on the Pre and syncs the data periodically over your data connection (internet or Wi-Fi) with Basecamp. I consider this another big plus, since the information is accessible and editable on the Pre even in absence of a data connection, and there is no refresh latency like when accessing data over the web.

According to the Outline Tracker website, Outline Tracker supports David Allen’s Getting Things Done time management methodology, which is described in the book Getting Things Done and in Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_Things_Done. Outline Tracker can also function as a general purpose outliner, exporting to (and importing from) the XOXO format.

Tip – When you first open Outline Tracker, it takes you to the To-Do “scene” which, ironically, is not really the most useful view for the to-dos because it is not in outline format. I immediately tap the project name at the top of the To-Do scene which brings up the Project scene in outline format with each separate to-do list shown as a major category.

Another Tip – You can re-order all your to-do items in Basecamp, but they do not automatically re-order themselves in Outline Tracker when sync’d. Solution – periodically delete all the information in Outline Tracker and then re-sync with Basecamp [From the Project scene, tap the name of the project at the top, tap “Project Settings”, tap the trashcan icon at the bottom, and tap “Delete” to confirm, then from the To-Do scene, tap the Outline Tracker menu, tap “New Project”, tap “Basecamp Project” which will bring up “Create Project” screen. Scroll to bottom and tap “Accounts Scene” and tap “Download Changes Now”. Outline Tracker will immediately re-populate with the items from the cloud in the same order they appear in Basecamp.] I do this on demand whenever I do a significant rearrangement in Basecamp.

The free version of Outline Tracker is full-featured, but is limited to 50 items – which should suffice for most users. Power users may wish to upgrade to the full version which allows unlimited items and costs $23.50. Yes, that is a hefty price in the context of the 99 cent downloads to which we are accustomed. But I have upgraded and consider it well worth the price, since it has become my productivity backbone.

Basecamp

Both Basecamp and Backpack are services of 37Signals. They are basically web-based project collaboration tools, far more powerful than required for the to-do/memo functions. But each has free, limited feature versions that serve this purpose very nicely (be sure to sign up for the free plans of each, not the 30 day free trial of the paid versions). If you sign up for both modules with the same user id, the modules become linked, you are able to click back and forth between them, and each remembers your place so you are returned there when you switch to that module.

Basecamp serves as the cloud back-end for Outline Tracker. It handles both to-do’s and “messages” (I use messages as a substitute “memo” app) with the message group showing up as a separate to-do category in Outline Tracker with sub-items for each message. Below is a screenshot of the Basecamp to-do list which correlates to the Outline Tracker to-do list above.

One of the great features of Basecamp is the ability to drag and drop items between to-do lists and within lists, and also reorder the lists themselves. I have created a to-do list called “PRIORITY” to which I drag items that I want to accomplish today.

Here is a screenshot of the Messages page in Basecamp.

You can send an e-mail to your Basecamp account which shows up as a message in Basecamp, which, in turn, is sync’d back to Outline Tracker on the Pre. Now that’s synergy!

Backpack

After I had Outline Tracker and Basecamp singing together, I started searching Google for a solution for reminders. I was certainly surprised when I found myself right back at 37Signals – this time at their Backpack module. Backpack has a “Reminders” function that allows the user to establish individual and recurring reminders for specific dates and times. It can then be configured to send out an e-mail, text message or both at the scheduled time. I actually use both. I have an e-mail sent to my Exchange account, and have established a rule in Outlook to automatically move each e-mail with “Backpack” as sender to a separate “reminder” subfolder of my inbox. In addition, I have a text message sent to my Pre which, of course, shows up as a notification. It is truly hard to forget something when it now appears on my desktop in Basecamp, in Outlook in a separate inbox subfolder, and on my Pre as a text message with a notification. I’ll have no one to blame but myself if I somehow manage to ignore all of those reminders.

The free version of Backpack is limited to 10 reminders. Although I initially thought this would be sufficient, I quickly found numerous ways to use it – for example I have a monthly recurring item for each credit card payment I have to make. So, I upgraded to the “solo” version which, among other features, allows unlimited reminders for $7/month (so much for everything being free).

Backpack also has “Pages” which are individual web pages that can be easily created with lists, photos, memos, files, etc. The pages can be private, or can be shared with the world or only with invited guests. Each page has its own e-mail address so you can e-mail items to it that magically appear on the page. I haven’t figured out a useful way to employ this feature yet – maybe someone else has an idea.

Conclusion

By no means is this a comprehensive review of any of the 3 programs discussed above. Each is far more powerful in its own right, especially the 37Signals suite which is designed as full fledged team collaboration tool. I intend to spend some quality time exploring the advanced features of the 37Signals suite.

All in all, I love this combination of apps, and it has made me enjoy my Pre even more. My only regret – why didn’t Palm provide solutions like these out of the box?

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Update: Outline Tracker's developer let us know that drag-to-rearrange is coming very soon.

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39 Comments

awesome article Dieter. Timely too as I have been on this hunt recently.

Interesting sofware...i might give it a try...thanks

Very cool, have been looking for 37Signals apps, Highrise in particular.

I tried the free version of Outline Tracker, to use in the same way, as to do lists, etc. I thought it slightly confusing at first and as I want to as a tool that my wife and I both share, thought it would put her off. Currently I am playing with the beta version of Done! for Toodledo, which works pretty good for us. But needs a few updates like auto syncing, editing folders, and I don't think it integrates with the calendar, but that is not a huge deal for me. Maybe I will play with Outline Tracker again. Thanks for the review.

Cool idea. I'm going to look into those apps for some project management work.

I currently use Evernote and Google Tasks/Calendar for organizing and keeping track of tasks. The only thing I'd like to see is on-device storage of Evernote files and Google Tasks. Google Calendar is already sync'ed on-device.

I've been using Toodledo for a couple of months and really like it. It's geared towards GTD methodology, but not completely. Hoping they will add the few things that will make it a bit more powerful, but it's a very workable solution. Toodler is a homebrew app (still in beta) that lets me access it, or you can use the mobile-web-based version.

But the whole basecamp/backback/outliner combo definitely looks interesting and I'll have to look at it more, thanks for the detailed article!

THESE are the kinds of articles that drew me to precentral, not the constant doom and gloom articles that have infested the site. How can the palm and webOS platform be useful in our everyday lives, which is why we purchase a smartphone to begin with. Doom and gloom is reality, but let the other blog sites and wall street analysts focus on that. I come to this site because I love palm and webOS, and how powerful the platform is and can be. Thanks for a great article.

THESE are the kinds of articles that drew me to precentral, not the constant doom and gloom articles that have infested the site. How can the palm and webOS platform be useful in our everyday lives, which is why we purchase a smartphone to begin with. Doom and gloom is reality, but let the other blog sites and wall street analysts focus on that. I come to this site because I love palm and webOS, and how powerful the platform is and can be. Thanks for a great article.

THESE are the kinds of articles that drew me to precentral, not the constant doom and gloom articles that have infested the site. How can the palm and webOS platform be useful in our everyday lives, which is why we purchase a smartphone to begin with. Doom and gloom is reality, but let the other blog sites and wall street analysts focus on that. I come to this site because I love palm and webOS, and how powerful the platform is and can be. Thanks for a great article.

+1 several time due to multiple reposts:)

Man you really thought it out! Respect. I find it interesting...but why oh why isn't this build in...I mean not everthing, just a rock solid thing connected with the Google calendar & task....thanks for sharing your vision.

I don't use tasks but I use memo's alot. Anyway of backing them up?

It syncs with Basecamp. Thus it is backed up. If data on Pre is lost, then it will re-populate as soon as re-registered with Basecamp.

Ok. That was such a well written and thought out article I feel like Outlining the rest of my life. Good job.

now we need to humorously edit the outline for jon rubenstein... C40 a plus? You can't be serious?

nice article... as much as we all love our Pre's.. there are the shortcomings in terms of PIM. with a little ingenuity, we've all come up with some creative solutions to suit our personal needs. I use Toodledo, synced through NeuvaSync, which allow it to be setup on the Pre as an Exchange account. Thus allowing me to use the native task app and system notifications on the Pre. I can also sync Toodledo with Outlook, thus giving constant OTA sync between the Pre, the cloud (Toodledo), and two PCs (Outlook on desktop + laptop) with no user intervention. I had posted an article a couple months ago on the how-to.. PM me if anyone is interested.

I'm another Toodledo/GTD fan. Loved the article.

I've been sync'ing Toodledo to the built-in Tasks app on the Pre for several months now using NuevaSync.

It syncs automatically and can be used without an internet/WiFi connection. I also like that it involves no maintenance and no concerns about limits to number of To-Dos, etc.

Unfortunately, the priority levels don't line up exactly. (Toodledo has -1 through 3, and Tasks has high, normal and low.) It costs $25/yr, which is such a small fee that I don't consider it a con.

I would love to have subtask support, which seems to be a big bonus to Dieter's approach.

@radiant1: Jinx- buy me a Coke!

how come i cannot find the free plans for each of these... all i see are the 30 day free trial

The geek in me loves this stuff, but the slacker in me says having a list of things that need to be done will just annoy me. Going to give it a try, though.

@johnj2803 This is the free link. They make it small so you can barely see it

https://signup.37signals.com/basecamp/Free/signup/new

Definitely going to see how well these support GTD on webOS.

I love this program, and I use it every day. It's also great for sharing lists, etc. with other people. The free Basecamp account allows one project per user, but this "user" can sign in from as many locations as it wants. So my husband and I put the same account login info into our separate phones, and we have auto-updated shared lists. You can also do this cross-platform, as Android and iPhone (and I'm sure BB too) all have Basecamp apps. So everyone in my house (there's 4 adults) can keep track of the household shopping list so we don't buy something twice or forget something someone else needs. One person goes shopping and updates the list, and everyone else sees it. It's pretty handy.

i found a bug in this app , if you name your project (space), u cannot delete that project.

plz fix this

If my life ever gets this complicated, somebody shoot me...

;-)

Good article. This was the kind of productivity tools that gave the Treo a unique niche in the market.

Let me add that former Natara Bonsai users can export their projects to Outline Tracker by using a special template. Contact me if you are interested.

Great tip thanks much! GF already diggin :D

Nozbe.com works well on the Pre

I'm actually looking at RTM, and it seems much simpler, can integrate into other calendars like gcal with ical feeds, has built-in reminders, and there's a good RTM app for WebOS called RTFM. It's in the beta phase right now, but it works, and their mobile site works as well.

http://blog.rememberthemilk.com/2008/05/guest-post-advanced-gtd-with-rem...

I use sticky noted online to share a freeform todo list between my desktp and laptop, but I currently ave no solution for my pre. Could be of these tools work? I really like the pad always open on my desktop(s).

in regards to backpack google calender handles those quite nicely. all you have to do is setup the notifications in the settings, it can be send as an email, sms, and pop up which will pop up on your phone as an alert, and also in the browser if you logged into google(igoogle.com for example) and as for the email, you could setup a email rule for gmail to forward the email reminder to any email address.

You could even setup a separate calendar for just reminders if you do want different notifications for them then what you may currently have setup, so you dont have reminders for everything going every where

Version 1.4.0 of Outline Tracker lets you drag and drop items in the outline to re-arrange them. It should be available at the end of this week or the beginning of next week.

This is a fantastic 'how to' post. Thanks for the informative article.

I've installed the apps and set up Basecamp and Backpack as you did. This does give a large part of the functionality that I require on a day to day basis. I'm going to use it for a while to see if it can handle my needs over a longer time period.

Great job.

I found this post interesting and it gave some ideas for how to make Webos work harder for you. However, I don't like the fact that for this approach to work, you have to integrate several different programs and services and kick out a not insignificant amount of loot.

A great alternative that I've started using recently and I think is going to work well is using my Pre in tandem with the Manymoon.com service. Its an online project management website with really good Google integration. So it integrates with the google calendar, it can put your tasks right on your calendar, you can set up multiple projects and its free!

Near as I can tell, it will let you do pretty much everything talked about in this article using the Basecamp/backpack and outliner kludge with a lot less stuff to manage. Give it a try. I think its a better alternative to this.

Thanks for the post.

I thought I'd comment here since I actually use backpackit & basecamp all the time, & think there has got to be a better way to achieve GTD!

I am annoyed with 37signals because backpackit is supposed to do ALL of the things you guys have here (they have todos, calendar, reminders, & a mobile version). But their mobile version doesn't work very well on the palm pre, and no good way to use their calendar. I've actually been thinking of developing a PalmPre App to do all of this stuff just with Backpackit.

So I'm curious - does a new PalmPre App specifically for BackpackIt sound interesting to you guys? I think I'd have free beta version & then price it round $5-10.

I would absolutely be willing to pay $5-10 for a BackpackIT App for the Pre.

My Outline Tracker to-dos and projects are not getting downloaded to my Basecamp???

Any ideas?

I am seeing my Basecamp updates in Outline Tracker.

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tasks@hand aims to support GTD as well. It didn't exist at the time this article got published. P|C's review is available at http://www.precentral.net/app-review-gtd-tasks-hand