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HP buys Linux quick-boot OS Hyperspace, webOS implications hazy at best 59

by Derek Kessler Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:31 pm EDT

Hyperspace instant-on OS

HP has reached an agreement with Phoenix Technologies (BIOS-programmers) to buy their instant-on Linux-based Hyperspace platform for a cool $12 million. Hyperspace is not a full-on OS and is meant to be used in conjunction with another operating system, i.e. slow-booting Windows. The instant-on capability of Hyperspace is its most-intriguing feature; with just the touch of a button the OS boots in a few seconds, giving the computer user near instant access to the internet, their music, and a few other basic tasks.

While it’s more than likely that HP will use the purchase of Hyperspace to further differentiate their laptop products, we can’t help but wonder what this might mean for soon-to-be-purchased webOS. HP was mum on what exactly they intend to do with Hyperspace, but we’re cheering from the sidelines for at least some of the technology from the instant-on OS to find its way into painfully-slow-to-boot webOS, which is also based on Linux. Additionally, since the two operating systems are Linux-based, there’s the intriguing possibility of Hyperspace being leveraged to quickly and easily add webOS to HP’s other portable products. Imagine a dual-booting HP tablet running webOS and Windows 7...

Via: Ars Technica
Source: Linux for Devices

Thanks to everybody that sent this in!

59 Comments

this has really cool possibilities.. Technology just keeps moving forward.

That really would be sweet on the current webOS devices.

I cant believe that this isn't directly involved with webOS. why wait until now to buy if it wasn't?

This would be useful for HP laptop, netbook and tablet products even without the purchase of WebOS.

WebOS just makes the case for purchasing this technology even stronger.

better late than never : )

+1
That's what I was thinking...speed up the WebOS boot time = a win to further the OS development.

I totally agree...this is a good thing. not bad. and isn't most of our programs Linux based anyway. i could be wrong...i know the little penguin is Linux. this would only broaden webos capabilities...ANYWHERE

I think it's has to do with putting webOS on printers and making it boot up quickly. Users won't wait 5 minutes for a printer to turn on but with this technology, the printer will be on just like a non OS printer.

I still have my Pre & my fingers are crossed. I hope HP & Palm put their input in the next device or update. This needs to be done quickly!

The dual booting of webOS and Windows 7 is exactly what I would like to do with my tablet. I would love to be able to use webOS for the majority of the functions and then only use Windows 7 when developing and sketching. Imaging how much longer the battery would last!

actually, I'd rather have win7 as a VM inside WeOS than to dual boot tbh which should be as doable as Win7 VM in a generic Linux distro.

Dual booting (Win7 and WebOS), instant on tablet, with virtual keyboard + optional bluetooth detachable keyboard = Huge Win for HP/Palm.

Big differentiator in the market.

Google's ChromeOS with its recently announced "Chromoting" remote desktop functionality (shortened URL: http://bit.ly/9g8Kwm) would be the closest competitor.

Who will be the first to market?

I get the feeling that HP don't give a shit about WebOS (on smartphones) and only care about what it can do on laptops, printers, and tablets.

I think its curtains for Palm on the mobile front. Perhaps thats why people are leaving the company.

It's business as usual for people to leave an acquired company. I would not count out Palm on the smartphone front just yet.

I'll reserve judgment until the new smartphone(s)/mobile device(s) from HP/Palm are released with WebOS 2.0.

Until they buy Palm and everything is clear we cant reach to any conclusion, but I believe is actually the opposite. I mean:

In order for WebOS (for smartphones) to be a healthy environment they should spread its use in whatever devices it makes sense, this of course also means smartphones. Developers will be attracted if everyone with an pc from HP can buy webOS applications, or webOS can be used in any other sensible way, ie: for enterprise usage.

The ironic thing is that if they focus in using webOS JUST on smartphones, is when webOS on smartphones can die.

@Muesli

That last paragraph was brilliant.

Everyone should read the original article cited at the end of the article under "Source: Linux for Devices".

Looks like Acer already has its own instant-on dual booting netbook with Windows and Android being the two operating systems:

"In addition, Acer has applied Android to the fast boot task, offering an Android InstantOn version of Android as an optional dual-boot install with Windows 7 on its D250 and D260 netbooks."

This tecnology also allows to switch from one operating system to another just by pressing f4, in real time.

So you can start your PC, and while windows 7 is booting, have webOS already running, then switch to windows 7 to do something and use webOS at the same time on the background (notifications?) or just detach the screen and go with a webOS only tablet.

webOS as a replacement to both quickweb and touchsmart software seems great for windows users.

Would Apple ever consider coming out with a dual-boot tablet or a triple-boot tablet even?

OS X
iOS 4.0
Win7? (or Parallels running Win7 under OS X)

don't care... Apple?

Just contemplating the competitive landscape.

Re: Ever since Hp & Palm 18 minutes ago

The following was my response to a question regarding HP's intention with Palm on Yahoo board. So I thought it is kind of appropriate here:

Surely primo. HP is NOT going to allow Palm operate like an indep. operation just making smartphones and enhancing the device-based webOS from time to time, what seems all others are doing, except Google.

HP has the much bigger plan with webOS making it truely a cloud-based, device independent, WEB COMPUTING SYSTEM, servicing BOTH intelligent-devices (like smartphones/PDAs, printers, individual cameras/video cameras say streaming directly live on wi-max broadcast to be saved on a personal wi-max connected laptop, on a list there-in with thumb-nail identification), and any intelligent SYSTEM requesting webOS's services with appropriate levels of user-interface integration.

This webOS web-computing system will employ (i.e. use search-engines, web-crawlers, web-based spreadsheets, web-based word-processors, web-based list-mgmt-engines, data-mgmt.-engines, etc. are all going to be TOOLS of webOS-Computing machines, that they are all going to be native-apps residing in webOS-computing), and there will be an explotion of web-apps, patches and what not keeping delopers busy for CENTURIES.

Apple, Microsoft are all going to be just roadkills on HP/Palm/3Comm's path of progress.

nice!!!!
glad to see the good news starting to trickle out. Can what for the purchase to complete and start seeing the vision for future of webos unfold...and the phone palm has been working on...released!

Damn! You sound like you know a great deal about this... I hope your right. I plan on sticking around with webOS until they say its over. Which I hope they don't say...

So, basically, webOS is Skynet. Lol.

This would work great with WebOS' current 5-7min reboot times. Give access to email/text/phone while the rest of the system loads in the background.

God forbid someone quickly opens their pre to call the police and they get the random reboot/restart. That is a big worry for me as it happens a lot.

But anyway, this instant on feature would work well with our slow to load device & OS.

For what is worth 5-7 mins reboot times is not true. Resseted my non-plus pre and is 3 min maximum. It is a lot but the other one is just not a correct figure.

This time is probably because a lot of java things, they should actually dissapear sooner than later given they are already focusing on removing a lot of java services and doing javascript-compiled-to-machine-code ones.

for what its worth.. you cant base your time off your phone and think all are the same... my times vary, few times i had to take battery out caz it just stayed at the glowing palm sign

Then we are safe to say it takes 90 minutes to reboot a palm pre, because "time varies"?

I have rebooted it for the third time just to check and yes for me is still around 2,45. So take my time also in consideration, not just times from any fishy poster with a clear intention to mislead.

In anyway this conversation is inane and it only applies to todays, not the inmediate future, as we now development is headed also in that direction (and not because this acquisition).

technically speaking, the device/cell radio/data connection is "on" once you reach the "flashing Palm" phase. At this stage, I've had my backbeat auto reconnect and have been able to redial/answer incoming calls using the buttons on it. I'm also able to hear email and sms message notifications.

Has anyone else experirenced this or is my "flashy thing" just lasting longer than it should?

I get this as well (the email/sms notifications part). I've even had my alarm go off while it was in this state. Of course, I had to wait until it finished booting before I could silence the alarm.

Didn't the Folio have instant on? Can't remember. If it did, does anyone know what tech was used for that?

It was never off -- it used PalmOS. If that had to reboot, it took around 30 seconds or so.

Ah, ok. Thanks.

The Foleo ran a custom Linux OS, not Palm OS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Foleo#Software

Thanks Derek. I remembered instant on being a "feature" of the foleo. Was just wondering if Palm still had that tech. This article simply caused me to wonder why something like that wasn't included as part of webOS. Oh well, not important.

Oh hmm didn't realize that. Interesting. I wonder if the Foleo had come to fruition would that OS have been ported to Treos as the replacement for PalmOS (Nova?)

i wouldnt be surprised if there getting things ready to start there very own os (webos based) for there laptops pcs tablets smartphones printers etc as there man operating system. i mean say good bye to windows, i mean u just dont know whos to say there not

I can so imagine an HP CTO telling Rubinstein "I love that little webos thing you guys have, but man, is that mother slow..." :D

This is not surprising. HP has said repeatedly they want WebOS on printers and boot up is too slow for that application. I'm really hopeful it is applied to the phones. I'd turn my phone off from time to time (in a theater, at a restaurant, on a date,...) to extend battery life, if boot times were shorter.

HP has dabbled with this type of technology in the past. I don't remember if it was with this specific product or not. Whether it was this or not doesn't matter. Clearly, HP is continuing to think big and will have a lot of innovations ready to go along with webOS once the deal goes through.

For anyone that hasn't seen this type of technology already: http://expressgate.asus.com

ASUS has this on their computers and motherboards. I've got it on my PC.

Just to clarify, a luna restart on my phone takes 2-3 min. But when I get the surprise restart it takes forever. Honestly I'm not usually holding a stop watch at the moment.

Sometimes it happens when I'm web browsing, other times I open the phone & it doesn't turn on. A couple presses on the power button either brings the phone back up, other times the phone restarts.

Access to the phone or text message apps while the rest of the phone (camera, web, photos, email, gps, etc.) loads up would be great.

@TheFishGuy

Sounds like you have the loose battery issue. Wedge a thin piece of paper folded a couple of times over between the battery and its compartment wall.

My guess an appropriate use of the Hyperspace instant-on program will be on the interface engines(i.e. programs) of the soon-to-be-developed (and webOS based) Mobile Computing system to interface with various device-OS or , to interface directly with a system which wants to use the services of the Mobile Computing system.

I'm guessing that this is something that HP is planning on leveraging for their laptops, not for webOS. I think the idea is to be able to play movies or search the internet without having to do a full boot up. Now keep in mind that I am nearly completely uneducated on the topic... :)

HP has been using Linux based QuickPlay for this purpose since at least 2004. The only difference is it is currently on a HD partition and not in firmware like a LOM.

Ho hum

Why does everything they do have to be WebOS related? I could speculate on the motive for this acquisition but I won't. Like everybody else I don't really know. If a pattern reveals itself over time then great, pull it all together and go nuts on it. You know, synergy? Otherwise this is just not useful information. It's just journalistic spackle on a dead news weekend. Funny you actually said it yourself in the article title. Maybe you should start a HPCentral site so all the HP fans can have their own daily brand-associated jump up, fall down & heart attack routine.

My speculation of HP's intention to take webOS and trying to turn it, or a copy of it, to a web-based Mobile Computing system is totally consistent with the recent remarks by HP CEO Mr. Mark Hurd. After his remarks, to think anything else is like living in a fool's paradise. And I think he spoke pretty much right on the money. Also to be noted in the pattern of recent resignations of Palm's leading employees. They mostly are from the marketing and device-based growth side only. So hoping for a rapid device-based growth is not likely in the cards.

And BTW, If I'm thinking logically, then this is the direction Google is heading too. In their particular case, they could leave their Android system for handsets development by others like HTC, Motorola, etc., and extend their ChromeOS project from PC based to web-based system. They already established their "Service Station" in disguise calling them Google Docs, Google Photos, etc. So Google will get direct response from consumers who already started using the "service shops". And Google has some killer apps in their arsenal, and they are so big in nature that any movement with these apps could create tsunami like effects in the info world. And those are, Search Engines, Google Maps, and YouTube. Google can make easy alliance with IBM and Cisco, to take this "Web-Computing" domination to another level. So this smartphone-centric view is just a narrow view-point of this web-computing world-war.

Just to be able to play highly visible part in this web-computing war is honorable to Palm. And for myself, I am very very very satisfied with my Pre-Plus on Verizon, and probably looking forward to spend next 5/6 years playing with it. And I feel proud to have one of the last products made by Palm. I know I'm sounding a bit selfish now, but such is life. ;-)

I liked everything except ur last paragraph!! and 5 to 6 years with ur pre?? gimmie a break.. i give you a year 2 max!!

He meant five sixths of a year. 10 months.

Noooo,,,I really meant for 5 to 6 YEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRSSSSSS...

I was using my Treo650 from 2005 till 28th March 2010, the day Palm announced its being bought by HP. And I got my Pre-Plus totally free as a complimentary update.

And before Treo650 I was using my M500 PDA from and a Nokia 5-thousand series cell-phone.

I am such a character,, hee, hee :)

Of all the quotations I heard in my life, none of which I could remember except the one: Steve Jobs said, "why one would need more than one smartphone in life beats me."

So there. I love Palm. :), just don't know why...

This is great for & HP & Palm... As for the Sprint Pre users none of this matters NOW we just want a new PHONE.

It almost seems obvious this would be used with WebOS (linux-based). And I'd imagine a WebOS derivative would be used on HP tablets. It looks like a logical series of steps seeing as how that would benefit many of their devices.

At the very least, I'm excited to see what HP does in the next year or so. I just got my Palm Pre Plus and have it for atleast the next 19 months. I've had it for 2 weeks and have messed around with Preware quite a lot. I don't regret deciding on the Pre vs a droid at all...this is a very flexible OS and its pretty quick :) (esepcially at 800mhz)

At first the HP buy of Palm seemed like great news; but now, I am not so sure. I am getting more concerned that my Palm Pre and other recent devices will be last of the Palm open and truly innovative smartphones. I hope that I am wrong.

I think the biggest concern would be a device to house webOS. Tweak it as much as you like but a phone such as the Pre will not do it any good.

My Pre has gone for good and i am going to take ownership of a HTC Desire as i have had too many replacements and each phone has had different problems.

HP/Palm need to get this sorted before they start bashing on about how great it may turn out to be.

This was supposed to come on my HP notebook (was advertised with it), but since i got it with Vista and not XP, when I called tech support to find out why the quickboot wasn't working, they said it didn't work with Vista (or 7 for that matter). Maybe for the notebook like they're trying to improve that.

they most certainly gonna be putting out a multi-touch something, can't imagine using webos with a mouse. The swiping to close an app just wouldn't feel right with a mouse. I sure can not wait to see what's in store. If HP is smart (not doubting HP) but they should just enhance WebOS and not screw it up. I have faith in Palm and HP. HP multi touch tablet running WebOS with wifi and mobile broadband would be very sweet. Gain way H-Palm coming through!!