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by Dieter Bohn Wed, 01 Jun 2011 3:16 pm EDT

On the stage at the D9 conference, CEO Leo Apotheker hasn't dropped any bombshells except, well, this: a response to the folks at This is my next:

Q: You might license to WebOS. That puts you in direct competition with Microsoft?

Leo: I happen to believe that WebOS is a uniquely outstanding operating system. It’s not correct to believe that it should only be on HP devices. There are all kinds of other people who want to make whatever kind of hardware they make and would like to connect them to the Internet. We’ll make it available to enteprises and to SMBs. It will run on lots of HP devices.

Q: Would you license it to HTC?

Leo: It is certainly something we would entertain.

Yowza. That's quite the about-face from previous statements both at HP and long-standing statements from Palm, where the "tight integration between hardware and software" ruled the day. It's been many years since an OS made by Palm found its way onto third party hardware and, well, back in those days it was the third parties (namely Sony and Handspring) that brought the real innovation to the hardware. While earlier in the talk Apotheker made it clear that initially HP is only looking to release their own hardware products to "gain credibility," the idea of HTC or Samsung bulding the hardware running webOS is tantalizing, innit?

Update: AllThingsD has posted the video of Joshua Topolsky's exchange with Apotheker, and it adds some additional context to the quotes. The video is after the break, but lets say that it seems that the HP CEO has more interest in sending webOS into closed corporate environments than to competitors like HTC. But... it's something he's willing to entertain. Either way, the fact that HP posted this onto their corporate blog indicates that they're not backing away from the comments - perhaps Apotheker's not a McNamee after all...



Unless they pick Huawei, ZTE, and Meizu, I don't see how any partners could do a worse job than what HP has done so far.

Samsung is all-in with Android and Bing, and Motorola is the same (and supposedly looking to develop THEIR own OS), but HTC might actually be a possibility.

Sounds good i guess. But isn't the about facing getting old from HP? Now this is a good idea? HP seems like they're making all this stuff up as they go with no coherency. Who knows what they'll say in another month..

I look at it this way: This is the first genuinely exciting WebOS development in eons. made the front page of ThisisMyNext.com in minutes. They should take notice at how people are reacting to this statement.

Both in how little excitement their devices produce and how much they need to expand the reach of this platform.

With the windows 8 announcement, HP looks a bit desperate now. Flipflopping on the licensing is just one sign. Ruby and Leo look lost out there at every interview.

The biggest failure for HP may just be them claiming they had millions of PC's to leverage when they were always Microsoft's to leverage.

Every windows screen will have wp7 (or similar) baked in. So much for that webOS on a PC talk.

I still maintain my prediction as made months ago that HP will dump webOS later, fire some people, and reaffirm their partnership with MS.

we will find out when they "make it right" "in the coming months"

Bring back the Sony Clie and make it a smartphone. I'm serious. Sony can get back into it this way.

Leo really knows how to kill a hardware launch. The TP is coming this month and reviewers are going to say "This would work a lot better on HTC hardware...next year"

i loved my Clie Th55 its what made me love Palm stuff all those years ago!. It was permently attached to me at work long before smartphones existed!

i would love to see many companies bringing out WebOs devices its the only way to get the Os into the public consciousness.

An htc webos device w/a type of sense, maybe widgets, htc made the sprint pre, at least the first run...id entertain the idea too if i was hp, if hp did more like google with android theyd be shhhmart! Webos is way better than android its more like ios just minus the apps

HTC Android/webOS dual boot phone for the win.

Why would I want this?

HTC + Web OS? Bring it!!!
EVO 6G with WebOS FTW.

Might just be a good idea!

YES! Finally WebOS on Hardware that isn't **** Can you imagine the possibilities?

This is what will save WebOS. HTC knows how to make nice phones. No Pre3 for me, I will wait for 4g HTC 4.5 inch slate running WebOS.

NOTE: Wow, lot's of minuses, I guess you guys like to use crappy palm hardware! Sorry that some of use have high standards in life.

You may have a long wait for that.

good luck with that. You must have a long term view on things (and I mean LOOOONG term)

Yep, they just stated the POSSIBILITY and people already are awaiting that by next week HTC and 20 other vendors are going to launch their webOS-devices... ^^

HP, as they stated, first want to build up their own credibility and establish themselves as the only viable and clear third place eco-system and THEN they are going to think how to become second or even first (which probably only will be possible by licensing webOS to third-parties).

I use a HP/Palm phone, I am used to waiting a LONG time for everything..................

Stingray? In August?


And this bodes well with that Samsung thread in the forums!

i hope if they do this HP will still make their own hardware. Then updates 'should' come quicker etc
I hope if they do this they will put on tight restrictions to hardware companies like Microsoft has with WP7.
Don't want all that overlay rubbish they put on android. A consistent UI across all the hardware would be better!

People skin Android because it's default ui is **** Then again all the skins are **** too so not much of an improvement there.

I suspect if WebOS ever gets licensed out that most partners would leave the default ui alone for the most part because it doesn't really need much tweaking.

Maybe the default for you is ****, but it seems to be nice on 2.3. It is not as good as apple or webOS certainly.

Yeah I dunno if I like this (I know a whole bunch of people will disagree). If their licensing agreements cover not skinning the **** out of the OS I can get with it.

This could be really good or could be really bad. I would also HATE to see the Dr.s go away as well, hopefully if they do license and they lock down the agreements a little bit it will be all good.

Bring on the hardware, but lets try and keep the OS experience the same. Carriers already muck up enough of the software updates as it is, we don't need hardware manufacturers adding on to this.

If they do this it is full of win.... This way the palm team could focus on what it does best and let hardware makers fight on the screen size, display type and camera battles and so on.

They ccould still mandate certain minimums and so forth.

I don't see why licensing the OS to others would prevent HP from closely integrating their own devices.

I do believe this is the first piece of webOS-related information coming from Apotheker to make me raise a brow. This could be interesting.

And somewhere in HPville hundreds of "well connected" executives asked themselves: "What has Leo said/done now?"

Another episode of Leave it to Leo.

At least his statements excite people around here, whether they pan out or not.

Rubinstein, on the other hand, is the very definition of buzzkill.

true, very true

Haha. Yes, Leo is a true Salesman. Ruby is more like they guy sitting behind the desk coding, and Leo sales it.

I guess you are right. Rubinstein is the sort of guy who should rather be responsible for the engineering while Leo is a salesman ;)


Horrible Idea.

I think licensing the OS is a great way to gain major traction. But I cant help but think of the fragmentation this will bring to webOS. I think they should avoid licensing webOS if HP just puts better hardware and more form factors to market at a fast pace.

Fragmentation is not stopped Android from growing. Fragmentation is a techy problem. Regular people don't refrain from buying phone cause of it.

my mom just bought her first smart phone. with little input from me. she bought a tranform on sprint. it's an android horizontal slider. Never once has she mentioned "fragmentation."

it's just not an issue for most people so i don't think it's a problem.

It becomes an issue when you have applications, WAP sites, web apps, that will work on some phones and not others, some versions of the software and not others.

This make the cost of doing business higher for those creating sites and applications, makes brands and their agencies annoyed.

So, yes it is a problem.

"This make the cost of doing business higher for those creating sites and applications, makes brands and their agencies annoyed."

Doesn't concern me as a consumer in the slightest and When consumers walk into a Verizon store they don't mention this as a detriment and refuse to buy the phone. people want fragmentation to be an issue but the issue is their bottom line, especially with a company that's having earnings issues like HP. This isn't hitting phone makers bottom lines. And it wouldn't hurt HPs because those concerns don't keep non tech blog people, regular average consumers, from buying phones and that's all that matters.

the platform's already fragmented by Hp's choice. They obviously aren't concerned with fragmentation so log as they sell webos devices.

She will soon realize what fragmentation means when she tries to do something that another Android phone does just to find out her phone has a different version and is unable to do it.


It's so scary! If webOS had fragmentation, then can you imagine the horror? It'd be like the Pre unable to run Pre2 applications! It'd be like the Pixi unable to run Pre applications! IT'D BE HORRIBLE! Let's not let that happen to webOS, the platform safe from fragmentation!

(yeah, that was a little heavy on the sarcasm, sorry).

C'mon webOS is fragmented like crazy.

If HP licenses out WHICH THEY SHOULD BTW, they need to do it the way Microsoft did it. Require certain things. Same aspect ratio. Certain speed chip. Some amount of RAM or more. Etc.

Having hardware people compete with each other to make better and better hardware is a huge plus. That's why there's so many great android phones out there.

Having only one available phone can work if your company is awesome at industrial design. Sorry but HP/Palm are not Apple.

WebOS doesn't need to become another Android. WebOS is a nicely designed operating system where as Android has become a mashed up codes both by Google and the licensee companies which is what makes it sluggish and counter intuitive.

I don't think Apotheker meant licensing it out like Android. Since WebOS is scalable he probably meant licensing it out for other web enabled devices such as home appliances and maybe TVs. Very doubtful that they would do this for phones and tablets. At the very most they might do it the way they did for Treos having a company like HTC build the hardware for them.

webOS on Galaxy S lineup!!!!

Android on 3rd party devices = fragmentation

webOS on 3rd party devices = what fragmentation


WebOS is already fragmented. Nothing is on the same Page.

At least with HTC on board we might get some decent hardware.

WebOS isn't fragmented really. Older hardware phones just can't be updated simple. Fragmentation means hardware companies are putting their own custom version of the OS which prevents the OS from getting directly updated when a new source code is available.

For instance when Google puts out a new version of Android HTC would have to take that update and start updating their own version of Android that they have put on their phones. This means all the updating will now have to come from the hardware company. This is fragmentation you are getting your updates from the company that made the phone rather than the company that made the OS.

Imagine if the Windows that you have installed on your computer had to be updated by Dell or HP rather than Microsoft. It would take for ever to get all those critical security updates leaving you vulnerable in the mean time.

It is fragmented. Let's ignore the fact that the Pres are stuck on webOS 1.x and can't run any webOS 2.x apps. (Which is what the main issue for Android fragmentation is isn't it?)

You can't use all the apps on a Pixi if I remember correctly.

Here comes the fragmenting of Webos. Guess we will have to buy HP to get a vanilla/pure Webos experience. Sound familiar.

As opposed to Sprint having 1.4.5 users, Verizon having and whatever is on the Pre 2, At&T having 2.1.2, the tablets having 3.0.....?

In all fairness, that was Palm's dropped ball, not HP's...


like i said above, it's not most preventing people from buying android phones.

"tantalizing, innit?" ... 'tis!

I have to believe he was thinking more of the home appliance market. Unless HP wants to get into manufacturing fridges, freezers, dishwashers and toasters they have to license webOS to established companies to get it in the home.

Sure they mentioned HTC in the follow up but I see that as a last resort if the Veer, Pre 3 and whatever follows fails. Personally I want webOS on as many devices as humanly possible.

I don't get why HP can't outsource hardware to HTC instead of licensing the OS... I agree on all the fragmentation comments.

I may be wrong but I believe selling licenses is not only less risky than manufacturing but its more profitable. Profit margins on technology can be pretty slim.

Yeah they could do it like the way Palm did for Treos. HP is a big hardware company though and we still haven't seen a design by HP yet. Both Veer and Pre3 are clearly Palm designs so we have to wait and see what HP can design hardware wise.

No, no, no. I don't like that. It mustn't be a second android system. It mustn't be a fragmented system.

webOS was fragmented the day the Pixi was introduced. It has become more so with the new devices and OS versions. Ever wondered why some apps don't run on a Pixi?

I don't think so. The Pixi has some restrictions because of the hardware (gpu, screen) but it had the same webOS version as the pre. HP have to avoid this which means they have to support their devices. If there are other manufactures they have to support these devices too.

Fragmentation comes from both software AND hardware differences. The Pixi's "hardware restrictions" you mention are exactly what started the fragmentation in the first place.

Pixi/1.4.5/2.0/2.1/2.2/2.3 (when pre3 releases)/3.0 (when Touchpad releases) /all the geographical special editions; Palm is the most fragmented o/s there is. They even have fragmentation within the same device. And the lack of apps and develers speaks to the level of fragmentation present.

Bad call HP. You have the ability to make amazing hardware, yet you entice the thought of licensing the IP you collected with the purchase of palm (even though you said you didn't buy it soley for the IP)

We've seen how bad the android fragmentation is, and enough people complain already about how they haven't gotten the latest version of WebOS on their phone. Head on over to any andoird site, and you'll seen MILLIONS more complaining about how their phone will never get even the slightest update.

All in all, bad call HP, just make better hardware, and keep your ecosystem as closed and seamless as possible. That is all.

Imagine Galaxy S II running webOS, OMG

I can't believe all this talk about the great HTC phones we could get. THIS is the exciting bit to me. Super AMOLED Plus, dual core powered, webOS phone? Where do I sign up? I will get in line right now.

All the concerns of fragmentation keep focusing on android.

But that is not the only way. WP7 is a much tighter model of integration with 3rd party hardware vendors.

WP7 has only recently come out. Just wait a few years and see where they are at.

Their model doesn't allow for the level of fragmentation that you see in Android. Even in a few years, it won't look like Google's OS. Besides, as much as people moan about the fragmentation in Android, it isn't really all that bad. So you are on 2.2 instead of 2.3. The practical differences aren't what Engadget et. al. make them out to be.

Its the same with webos, people already complain about not having 2.1 as opposed to 2.0.1. Not too many differences, its just the mindset of having the latest and greatest.

And what in their model doesn't allow for the amount of fragmentation that android has?

people act like Android is failing because of fragmentation. It's actually quite successful.

As a business model, yes. A lot of the Android phones aren't getting updated forcing customers to continually buy a new phone. Is this the way you want webOS phones to end up being?


Samsung has already expressed an interest - see the forums for that thread.

I think this is terrific - Id venture to say that HP will still make hardware, and also license WebOS to strategic partners for certain devices - this is a huge advantage for HP and WebOS, as the potential number of devices that can get into consumer's hands increased dramatically.

About "fragmentaion" - well, I dont think anyone could touch the UI code like Android experiences with different overlays, but, for sure, different OS versions will wind up on different devices over time, which is to be expected, but that's about it, Id think.

I'd be okay with this as long as they work by themselves or with a manufacturer to produce a flagship device like the Nexus 1 and Nexus S. Those type of devices get the latest software first. Please don't make it open source.

Does this mean there actually is a God?

"the idea of HTC or Samsung bulding the hardware running webOS is tantalizing, innit?"

Not to me it isn't. After using a Samsung Android phone for 6 months, I saw the horrible fragmentation and incompatibility that comes from having too many chefs with hands in the pot. What ran on my friend's Droid X would crash on my Epic.. sometimes vice versa. Some apps in the market would specifically say they weren't compatible with Motorola handsets. Some OEMs are great with updates, some lag for months on end. Different OEMs with altering the OS in different ways to integrate it with whatever hardware they use making the versions of webOS slightly different on each so devs have to write their code to accommodate all of them or risk their app not working...

It's a can of worms I really hope webOS never has to open.

Shut up you!!

Judging from the speed that HP/Palm moves products out the door, And given that I am hanging on to my Sprint Pre Minus, I say YES.

Maybe then we will get some new hardware out here.

Couldn't hurt to have different WebOs phones on Different Carriers.

I think the concerns about fragmentaion amount to nothing more then a Red Herring. If google only let out one version of Android, then there would be no fragmentaion in their market.

As it is - HP/Palm left the door open to a fragmented base by Not updating the Old Pre's Plus or not, and giving us No New Hardware to replace the old phones with.

last time I checked didnt samsung already express interest in using Webos? So I think they would def be on board for using Webos on devices.

could you imagine this? The new Samsung Infinium (made up name) running HP webOS.

It's an interesting thought, but I'm not sure they could keep up with the software demands from the hardware manufacturers. Could you imagine:
HTC: "We want our next phone to support video out. When will webOS support this?"
HP|Palm: "In the coming months"

Hi all, the more I think about it having a third party involved would certainly spark more interest for additional apps!

Take care, Jay

I also wonder if he's talking about non-phone-related 3rd parties.

He sounds like someone who's trying to give you what you want to hear. Perhaps Leo should get into politics.

:-) Well, just looked at the video and it seems he really is only talking about non-phone 3rd parties. The response to the HTC question does sound like an "I hope this is what you want to hear" response.

I don't think this means what the fans here thinks it means however. webOS on an internet connected TV, for example, does not mean my webOS phone will "easily" connect to and control my TV anymore than my linux pc can "easily" connect to and control my [linux-based] TiVo.

So I can't get excited about this until an actual plan that can be examined is made public.

Leo's talking about toaster manufacturers. We won't be seeing an HTC device anytime soon. "It is certainly something we would entertain." is just-telling-you-what-you-want-to-hear-speak for "Not likely."

Wow. I expected to be in the negatives...

i gave you one for that last one ;)


As long as HP doesn't allow the hardware manufactures to lockout existing features or updates, I'm totally OK with licensing webOS.

I also believe that phone data should not be discriminately charged, e.g. phone as modem cannot be charged more simply because of where the data is originally called from or ends up.

I think this would be great and the fragmentation issue is a non issue. WebOs is already fragmented. HTC or Samsung or LG running WebOs might get me to come back. Even if it did cause the OS to fragment (wich it already is) then HP could make their own flagship device that would offer a vanilla WebOs device that would get ota updates from HP. And just think of the sick hardware that could be offered, because the Pre form factor is hitting on zero right about now.

Pretty certain Leo is referring to spreading webOS beyond phones and tablets but it wouldn't be long before HP would just licence the OS since it's an obvious win/win when you can avoid the expense of hardware support. After all, Leo is wanting to turn HP into a cloud/software company.

I loved my Kyocera 7135 with Palm OS. I thought it was a much better overall package than the Palm options (including most that came after Kyocera dropped out of that market).

This should have been the case with the Palm PRE... someone should have listened to me 2 yrs ago.

blah blah blah... where the funk is a new webos smart phone for Sprint??? 2 years since Pre- and I'm ready to throw this old piece of junk off a mountain. Or a skyscraper. WTF??

You've waited this long so why not wait another 6-8 months for HTC to come out for a webOS phone?


*If handled properly* webOS could be customized to each device or company or even right down to the user. That's not necessarily fragmentation. webOS is already customized this way via Homebrew, and the vast majority of webOS users benefit. webOS Internals, Canuck Software, and myriad homebrewers have paved the way in this regard.

Before it can get into hands of third parties, they will need to fix webOS's boot time.

Leo was kinda scary there. Josh seemed almost timid. I think we need a Vampire photoshop of him.

If this was actually done, there wouldn't be any limits for HP's Enterprise WebOs farms and Clouds from connecting to WebOs devices. Then Industry Domination would be finally won.

So Web OS in my Car and on my toaster? Too good to be true. Charmin + Web OS = Me never running out again...

Pretty exciting! Perhaps when my Pre 3 has been beat to cr*p in a year, there will be a third party hardware option. Okay, prob more like two years..

Oh Man! I will stick with WebOS for sure if I can get a phone with an High Res screen, upgradable SD card slot, and the upcoming Nvidia Kal-El SOC! The hardware is the only thing making me want to switch.

I think it may be the only way to play catch-up to android and apple. License and get many HW manufactuers to pump out webOS devices. Good for me as a software developer too. Loved my handspring and clie.

This is very interesting because Samsung a few day ago said they interested in licensing WEBos. May be they want to leave Android and focus on WEBos and this would be awesome imagine WebOS on On Samsung Galxy S2 with that beautiful AMOLED display. Or maybe on a beautiful Samsung LED SMART TV. Oh the possibilities!!!!!!!!!

SAMSUNG ARTICLE: http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/05/samsung-interested-in-licensing-webos/

interesting read.. I think Apothekar had just put across an idea and it's become viral. Smart move. The news has spread even faster then the launch of Veer, and has permeated other websites which reviews Non WeboS phones...

He's a very smart man. By saying this..and putting it out in the web as a possibility the following will happen.

a. News of this will spread to various NOn Webos sites.? - achieved.
b. News has become viral -achieved.
c. other players like Samsung / HTC might come knocking on the door? -maybe achieved.
d. Increased potential developers? - maybe achieved.

On whether webos will fragment? doubt it would. Should HP do it this way, they'd force those who wanna OEM webos for their phones to do the following.
a. No change to UI (like MS)
b. You can go develop special apps (this is good for webos)
c. Increase phone range - (yes)
d. increae integration to other Multimedia devices? - possible think of the Webos phone being an extension of a SMART Samsung TV or a Media player? Or even SAMSUNG might do a interface device that enables a person to swipe cards on SMART TVs while sitting down ( following X-box technology). Possible?? yes. This is one area of weakness for HP in their ecosystem - Media technology - Displays, Media players , the sitting room space.

Most people misunderstand what fragmentation means. Fragmentation doesn't mean that you have different versions of the OS out. that is just unavoidable due to hardware limitations as you move on.

Fragmentation means that you have different flavors of the same version of the OS out and when Palm puts out an update for the OS you can install that update because your OS was modified by a third party company so you have to wait for the third party company to provide that update.

This would mean no more over the air updates which is the best part of WebOS. We saw how WP7 which is supposed to be a tightly watched OS had an issue with the update they released.

Fragmentation means that you become reliant on the hardware company for your software updates.

Fragmentation is both hardware AND software; it is also inevitable.

* The Pixi caused the first hard fragmentation in the webOS ecosystem.
* The different OS version have also caused fragmentation.
* The split between pre-Pre2 and post-Pre2 has also added to the fragmentation.
* Mojo vs Enyo has added to the fragmentation.
* Heck even Verizons "gps policies" contributed to fragmentation (just ask the users and developers of gps-based apps how much fun that was)

I've seen many comments concerning fragmentation, and personally, I don't think the average consumer cares all that much about it, or is even totally aware of it. That's why Android's still so successful despite its many 'flavours.' But HP's also in this for the enterprise market, and you certainly don't want to have fragmentation when you're dealing with corporate matters. "Well, we can't give our thousands of employees this app that will make their jobs easier because they all have various OS version through various hardware manufacturers." Gingerbread and Honeycomb won't come out the same day for an EVO as it will for a Galaxy phone. Or a Droid. Mostly because of the varying UIs and, of course, the carriers.

Personally, I'd rather buy an HP phone with HP webOS. We've really yet to see how this will all play out. HPs made some empty promises, but I think once the products hit the market, things will start to take off. But hey, I'm an optimist.

I don't think the enterprise cares as much as people want to believe. I can't tell you the number of times we've had to make a call against "apps that would make employees jobs easier" because of something as simple as the version of Internet Explorer they are running. Most companies will simply standardize on a specific hardware/software configuration for a while (during which time, anything that doesn't fit is either ruled out or a change to the hardware/software configuration is considered).

Corporate America has been dealing with fragmentation for decades.

Probably HP has a plan on how to prevent fragmentation... Primarily it's only corp that is worried about fragmentation because they need their devices to work the with Emails/ and other enterprise systems. HP would want their devices to work with their printers, pads, laptops etc etc..
Thus they might so call provide applications specific to their HP enterprise range on their HP brands, and remove these for OEM Palm WEBOS.
The normal consumer does not care that much about fragmentation. 99% of them do not hack their phones, so they go for are phones that work as advertised, looks good, has good consumer apps, and is of quality.
HP can also probably try to prevent fragmentation by putting SLA's to OEM's that all patches would come from HP, like what MS does with Windows.

Fragmentation is actually more troublesome than people think even in a more closed environment like WebOS. Microsoft is already struggling with it with Windows Phone 7 despite their best effort to make sure all OS updates work on all phones. They've been having difficulties with all phones working with updates. In my eyes, I'd like to see HP work with other companies to help develop a stellar phone just as for example, Google has done to create the Nexus line. Having Samsung or HTC design the phones would be a wise choice as long as HP ensures, no matter the phone, the performance will always be in line.

made a bet long time ago with friend of mine
won the bet
was about licensing out webos.
at least, in the end, they realized....maybe :P

Given HP's inept methods of bringing hardware to market, it sounds like this is their way of getting out of that business but building market share in multi-tasking portable devices.

If HP is going to try to brand webOS then fragmentation is a huge problem. If they release a new HP device that has webOS compatibility and the customer buys it then it had better work, that day, with their Asus/HTC/Sony webOS smartphone. Otherwise it's going to be a frustrating return of a printer or a PC - just because they licensed webOS out to that manufactuer for $10 or whatever.

If Palm had licensed to third parties from the beginning, they could be where Android is right now. Palm's way too far behind to take on Apple & Android by itself. Sign up the third parties! (if they're even interested at this point...).

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Wow. I am speechless, dumbfounded, and left scratching my head. Dieter quiting and webOS getting licensed out. Is the world coming to an end??

@gfdos.sys - so true

The thought of a hybrid WebOS / Android crossover sends me into joy spiral although all that really needs to be done is stick theWebOS cards interface and notifications on Android and your pretty much there...we already have the apps and a better out of the box experience.

I think I had already said somewhere...gimme a BB Torch with WebOS 2.1 and I would have crawled over broken glass to get one...I would still, had I not been super spoiled by the Samsung Galaxy S2. Now...put a touch of WebOS on the S2...that would indeed be awesome.