HP considering moving tablet development to notebook division [rumor] 82
Tue, 08 Mar 2011 2:50 pm EST
Devices like smartphones and tablets take a while to develop. Apple’s iPad 2 may not seem like a huge upgrade, but it take a lot of work to cram more into a smaller space like the folks from Cupertino managed to do. We’ve seen companies like Samsung take a step back to reevaluate their decisions since the iPad 2 was announced, and if DigiTimes’ sources are to be believed, HP is considering making some changes with regards to the next generation TouchPad. Specifically, HP is considering moving research and development for the TouchPad away from the Palm Global Business Unit to HP’s notebooks division (both fall under Executive Vice President Todd Bradley’s Personal Systems Group).
We’re a little conflicted on this rumor. While we’re obviously most interested in the software experience of the TouchPad (awesome hardware is nothing without awesome software), we have to admit that the TouchPad doesn’t exactly blow us out of the water in comparison to the current generation of tablets, even when compared to the year-old iPad and current releases like the Android 3.0-powered Motorola Xoom. And that’s not even taking into consideration Palm’s recent history of ho-hum build quality.
HP’s notebooks division, however, has been hitting it out of the metaphorical park with their Envy line of laptops. Designed to compete head-on with Apple’s MacBook Pro computers, the Envy laptops are both technically and physically solid, while still managing to be beautifully crafted. The TouchPad? Aside from the more advanced Qualcomm processor, it’s not that far ahead (if at all) of the curve in just about any technical aspect and aesthetically it’s, well, it’s a shiny black slab, front and back.
That said, we have a hard time believing that anybody was caught off guard by the iPad 2. Apple did exactly what everybody expected them to do: released a thinner version of the iPad with cameras, a new dual-core A5 processor, and other modestly upgraded internals. What’s going to drive iPad sales is precisely what drove tens of millions of iPhone and iPod Touch sales over the past few years: apps. And we're not talking about the sheer number of apps, if anything that's a bad thing. We're talking about the quality of those apps. A good portion of the iPad 2 event was dedicated to demonstrating new apps from Apple, including the awesome-looking GarageBand and iMovie (both priced at a surprisingly low $4.99). It’s the software experience that makes the iPad platform and sets it apart from entries like the Xoom.
No doubt, hardware is important, but for a personal device like a tablet, the software experience is what sells it. Processors, displays, and cameras are means to an end - the modern customer is asking “what can I do with it?” You’ll notice that Apple didn’t even give a clock speed for the A5, because it doesn’t matter, just like it doesn’t matter that it has 512MB of RAM - all that matters to the customer the iPad 2 is fast and fluid and can do everything under the sun. HP would be wise to give more consideration to give more consideration to software for the TouchPad, and that is definitely not the notebook group’s area of expertise. Then again, an webOS-powered Envy tablet would probably one sweet piece of kit.
Source: DigiTimes; Thanks to Atikayo for the tip!
82 Comments
First.. and totally agree :(
Yes lets get the Palm Business Unit working SOLELY on WebOS Phones!
Lets get this engine churning!!!
My name is Charles and I support this message!
I don't think Palm designed it in the first place. It's a rework of the Android slate they were already working on. That's why there isn't a gesture bar on the bezel. You know Palm would never have done it that way...
All I care about is getting the current touchpad shipped, and for HP to stop making shiny black fingerprint magnets... matte black or brushed aluminum please.
I put my original back, back on my pre and change it 30 minutes later. I like the feel of it but the matte finish is so much better! If they could make the entire phone out of that save the gesture area that would be sweet!
That's what they did with all phones since the Pre 2. The Pre 2 actually only has the gesture area and the screen without that "layer". As much as I have seen the Veer and the Pre 3 seem to be the same.
That's one more reason why I was surprised why the Touchpad became such a fingerprint-magnet ;)
But as Cantaffordit said, this was a redesign of the tablet originally planed by HP... There you see that thos things take AT LEAST one year to be done... So we can expect the first "real HP" phones at about August ;)
I just want them to move it to the stores so I can buy it!!!
The only things that I didn't like was the missing touch-sensitive bezel and that the back is so shiny and not like the back of the inductive cover (as I hoped).
The rest is absolutely ok to me. I didn't expect that HP can put any hardware into their tablet that nobody else can. How could they?
Samsung is producing their own stuff and even they don't succeed in doing so. It's very much like in the car-industry all those big companies are buying at the same sources... It might be that one comes out first with some novelty, but the others are soon going to catch up.
So Hardware was never my big fear. It's the software that I'am caring for and this has to be good!
I have been considering waiting for a TouchPad 2 to see if HP will shore-up some of the deficiencies (16:10 resolution comes to mind).
If it's true that the HP notebooks division is taking over the design work...then I will definitely wait.
Even before HP bought Palm, there was a healthy respect for Apple's approach to the mobile space. That the TouchPad mimics form and factors of the iPad, lends me to think they will continuing to emulate. No 16:10 resolution.
Notice however that Apple was the only major player on a 4:3 resolution until HP/Palm decided to copy them. As long as tablets remain primarily consumption devices - and they will so long as input on a tablet hinges mainly on virtual keyboards - a 4:3 resolution will be a suboptimal choice.
Does it make sense to record 16:9 720p video and then play it back on a 4:3 screen? Especially when the the recording and playback devices are the same?
There's every reason to believe what has happened in the smartphone space will happen again in the tablet space just like it happened in the home computer space. Apple will innovate in the beginning, and then their 'us or bust' approach to licensing will limit their marketshare while a more open ecosystem (was Windows, now Android) will become the dominant player.
When that happens, Apple's 'in my playground' standards won't mean much. And simply following Apple on tablet hardware will make as much sense as following them for computer hardware. I'll take a blu-ray drive in my computer and a widescreen display for my tablet please and thanks.
Then I hope HP, after Appl'izing themselves into the market, can shift/create strategies. Because your forcast for Apple's strategy is not unfounded, its not insane to think that simply following apple will lead down them down the same path. And there aren't enough reasons to belief HP can out Apple at its own game.
Looking at other players in this space for perspective, Google and Microsoft share similar macro theories, large scale distribution of their OS'es, leaving hardware to willing OEM's.
As you've observed, Apple limits itself. Both RIM and Apple operate with a strictly inhouse strategy which is fine. Shareholders are not complaininng.
Both strategies have shown success.
What I dont know of, are companies that operate outside of these two macro theories. Has there been a company that has switched strategies to suit themselves? For now, we know where HP is situated.
It is interesting to look at the players, especially when you take into account where each company came from. Software, search, hardware ... and how they are converging.
I don't want it to be 16:10... But OK, why shouldn't HP also produce such a device for you? As long as they still keep such one for me I'am in ;)
Derek: Importance of Software vs Hardware - Nailed it! Good job, buddy.
Finally, an article that tackles what's important! This isn't about HPalm vs. Apple, a who's who of better football teams.
It's about addressing the real concerns that will affect the biggest denominator: the average consumer who will buy these products.
I find it ultra-surprising that so many soccer moms and grandmamas want to make sure that the next tablet they get has at least a triple-core processor...
Seconded. well put.
LOL
I second that too ;)
Soccer mums also want to have at least 5MP rear and 3MP front cameras. That's why Apples iPad is only bought by absolute geeks who can value "the real value" of a product while soccer mums are buying the Xoom in hordes ;)
To extend your thought with an example:
Apple releases Garageband and iMovie - the demos look great and assuming HP replicates these apps for the TouchPad, the RIGHT way for HP to hit a homerun is to allow the video I shot on my webOS smart phone to sync with my TouchPad so I can edit that video on the Touchpad. As far as I know, this does not exist on the iOS devices and what HP needs to do is INNOVATE, not copy Apple like they did with iTunes syncing at the Pre Launch.
The average consumer is not going to tote their tablet to soccer games to shot video in HD, so video editing on a Tablet is irrelevant if the content can not be easily transferred . HP needs to take this new ecosystem of theirs and dumb it down enough to capture Apple's thunder, or Apple is going to catch up on that missing feature set and look like the "hero" of the mobile connected device industry, again.
Thanks for speaking so candidly about the TouchPad. It was the right thing to do.
Before Palm floundered and HP bought them there were rumors everywhere about the PalmPad last summer. It would have rocked. But a year later those same specs are not market-leading.
As you state, the TouchPad lacks the apps and "doesn’t exactly blow us out of the water...even when compared to the year-old iPad". So the iPad's $399 price is not realistic. But at $299, the TouchPad could sell big.
The TouchPad has what it needs to be a big winner. HP will determine that with the price.
$299 is a wet dream, I'm sorry but that will never happen.
If it does, then HP must pride itself on never making any profit from it.
well they wont exactly make profit selling it at all when people can spend 399 and get a ipad for 499 for the ipad2. $299 is a sweet spot for the wifi only version and HP needs to make that happen.
I am not even planning on getting a tablet BUT if the TouchPad drops at $299 I will definitely get one sooner or later!
Take this simple bit of information and then you can draw your own conclusions.
TFTS reports that Apple had to pay $270 to make each original iPad (Wi-Fi). That means that for each iPad sold, they made $230. (Keep in mind that this was when the original iPad was sold for $500, and they sold millions of them).
Now...how is it going to be possible for HP to release a tablet for $299?
its plastic
And has a better processor and integrated GPU, more memory, better cameras (that 1.2 MP camera probably costs as much as those two cheap cameras inside of the iPad 2...) AND it doesn't have the scale that Apple has, which is planning to sell 50 MILLION of those iPad 2... So they are buying 50 Million screens, cases etc...
Imagine how they can dictate the price. Whereas HP is planing with around 5 million. They won't be able to sell it for 299, even at 350 they won't make a lot of profit on it. I personally am hoping for 399 which would be totally OK for me and would lead me to buy around 3 of them (compensating that one that YOU wouldn't buy ;) ).
These are no consoles, where you can plan to sell something over 4 years and make up for the losses of those first 2 years. HP will release at least on other tablet next year. So will everybody else.
If HP prices the 16 GB-model at 350 to 399 this is already a very agressive price tag. If they would have to price it to make profit it should be around 450 to 499... (which I hope they don't do, as they are the "Underdog" here).
i'm going to have to disagree with you on the cheap camera on the ipad2. what makes you think that? cameras on the iphones have been top notch and i dont think the ipad2 will be an exception to that.
and 5 million to 50 million paints a really nice picture of who is in charge and who is succeeding at setting the price models for the rest of the industry. 399, i think is still a bit of a stretch for even the wifi touchpad, but we will see.
materials dont matter as much as how you manufacture the product.
google unibody construction and let me know if you get it.
I'm not sure how to react to this. On the one hand, Palm has done this before (to mixed results) when they split the hw\sw divisions to Palm One\Palm Source, and the Treos were tanks (literally and figuratively) but a testament to their strengths is that my Centro and Treo650 were "passed" down to family members and are still going strong. (Then again my Oct.09 Pre- is still going strong except for the battery at 73% cap)
But you have to wonder about one thing...Ok Apple releases "the iPod that makes calls" and instantly get's millions of users because they already had iPods and this was the next upgrade for them. Apple jumps way out in front only to fall behind RIMS's massive install base. Jobs does the "if the logo is on it, they will buy it strategy and releases iterative upgrades of the iPhone every year. Apple is still way out in front.
Then Moto enters the fray with the DROID line and now the Android horse is pulling to the front of the pack. Fast forward 3 years and now Apple is THIRD and has basically FLATLINED in marketshare due to the "iterative upgrade" device cycle.
So all that being true, Job is yet again, releasing iterative upgrades of the iPad, they are way out in front, Android and others are releasing tablets now so...
How can you not expect for the iPad to fall from it's high horse to #2 (or even #3) again using the same strategy that caused the iPhone to fall??
Ha, whoa whoa whoa, who ever said the iPhone has fell? Do we need to check the books and make sure that the iPhone still has the capabilities to sell millions? Let's not be hasty here, because you make it sound like Apple is in serious trouble.
@msechea
Read much?
http://www.precentral.net/latest-marketshare-numbers-show-palm-hanging-on
Apple is currently THIRD in marketshare behind Google and RIM with 24.7%. They were in #2 with a long lead over Google, M$, Palm, etc. and have now fallen to THIRD by not overtaking RIM and being annihilated by Android.
It's funny it takes Google fifty different phone models to achieve those numbers while Apple does this (while designing its own hardware and processors...) with four phone models. How much profit do you think Apple is making? Paltry I presume. Do you think its stock will drop too? Next month probably. I wonder what tablet marketshare amounts to? I don't see Apple leading that either. Do you think people will buy the iPhone 5? probably not, piece of junk. Do you think they will reduce the price of the other iphone models when the iPhone 5 comes out? If they can afford to.
I take back what I said. Apple IS third in cell phone marketshare, and rightfully so. They don't have much going for them. I see their user marketshare to decline for the rest of 2011.
So what if it took Google fifty different phone models?
I know you like to deny it, but this comment has fanboy written all over it.
"So what if it took Google fifty different phone models?"
You should look into educating yourself about defragmentation, because that many phone models and that many different OSes being sold and that many OSes being updated; thats a pretty big disadvantage to the consumer.
And could you use more cliche words like troll too?
I don't think HP did this as a response to the iPad 2. This seems like a logical move that HP would take. They already have an entire devision dedicated to "mobile" computing. As long as they keep webOS with the webOS folks, there's nothing to worry about.
Also, I think hardware matters if you can use the hardware to its full potential to deliver an experience above and beyond what the competition is offering. That's what HP needs to do, use all 1.2GHz of their dual-core processor and all 1GB of RAM to the fullest extent of their abilities.
It probably wasn't a coincidence either that Samsung said they need to 'brush up' on a few things before they release their new Galaxy Tab.
Yeah, that's it.
That's Samsung, not HP.
This 'rumor' is the same thing, son.
Would this be news if they had run this after the merger?
Because it was run now, means that the Palm team needs some help, and by help I mean a better designed product than the one they already announced in February.
My sense is that it would be easier for HP to execute if both the tablets, netbooks and notebooks were all from the same group. It reduces overhead, enables engineers who have success in one product group apply their knowledge to another and makes it easier for HP Labs to innovate on behalf of both rather than to split their time between two groups. The yield is better devices developed faster and into consumers hands at a pace more to the liking of Leo Apotheker.
pathetic hpalm....im still angry there's no gestures....what were you thinking?!
They didn't want to put a gesture area around all four sides of the screen and then have people complain if the accelerometer picked the wrong one to activate. Buttons make it obvious to the user what they need to do and it will help the transition to having webOS embedded in HP PCs.
If the accelerometer was wrong, the screen would be upside down too.
If you take a look at their roadmap for the next fifty years that they mapped out so conveniently for us, you'll notice that they want to bring webos BACK to the desktop, when it fact, computing has never meant so much more than anything except the common desktop computer. That's why all gestures associated with the bezel had to go away, for developers to create apps with ease on the desktop.
It's not the catastrophe that you and others paint it to be. A small number of gestures no longer apply to the tablet form, but the on-screen gestures are still there.
Don´t know to what extend I´ll be missing the gesture area, but I hope this doesn´t mean the end of it also for phones for the Pre 4 generation
who knows. i was a fan of it.
Kinda makes sense if you want to make the touchpad the next generation of pc's. I totally expect a Envy Touch with webos or a Envy Pad.
While there is a design element at play, Palm's build quality with the Pre's had more to do with their contract manufacturer. Switching to other manufacturers for the Pre+ and other phones increased the quality of their devices.
Why are people bagging on the TouchPad's build quality anyway? It hasn't been released for anyone to play with, so there is little merit to the claim that isn't well made.
There is much to this than bagging on the TouchPad's build quality. This is about product design and using the right materials that feel valuable rather than going for a cheap, shiny plastic that cuts down on weight.
Surprisingly that's exactly what HPalm had to do because they haven't done their research like Apple has on construction methods that reduce weight, reduce flex, strengthen, etc. They still resort to familiar techniques used to put things together because they use whatever is already in their bin.
Since Apple has had plenty of experience from their unibody laptops, they're able to push the proverbial envelope even more and make their product even thinner than before all while packing it with more features and less weight. They price it just the same as the original, and make the original iPad $100 less. Do you know how suffocating that is to the competition?
This isn't about smudges, or anything else. It's about being the best tech company out there and innovating your product after every iteration. Think BIG...remember?
I agree with you here... nobody builds like Apple
Envy laptops look cheap compared to a MacBook Pro
HP still has the (only) advantage of the OS, let´s see how they handle this advantage... They´ll have to do something to get enough share to build a solid base for the future, maybe even assume some losses at the beginning
So is the current Touchpad a one-off, then? Is the HP Touchpad the HP Slate of tablets?
My only concern is that HP is not known for their coolness factor but then again, neither was Palm. That includes the notebook division. Fragmented departments seems like a complicated idea (Phone division & TP division, both using WebOS sw).
wow..
so palmpad killed.
hp win7 slate goes to palm unit.
hPalm slate becomes webOS pad
now back to the start?
there are between 1 and 4 bad moves in here. Hard to say exactly, but I'm not really a fan of the direction we're going, where palm does software ONLY. It explains why the gesture area was killed (itll never appear on an hp phone, if such a thing ever materializes).
I like the pres and pixis, they were thoughtful hardware, and engineers should be able to vision both.
why can't the envy engineers come work on the touchpad, since, as mentioned, they're hardware not software guys, and softwares the issue. I vote bad move.
Meh, I don't think Palm ever had design responsibility for the TouchPad. I think it's the android tablet HP was already working on. That's why there isn't a gesture area. You know Palm wouldn't have designed that out of the product. That's the HP TouchSmart gang injecting their decision...
Exactly. That's also the reason why there were that "much" leaks about the tablet and also none about the phones... The people at Palm Global Business Unit simply know better to defend secrets ;) (and probably are just a bit "cut-off" of the rest of HP)
I say let H/P make webOS tablets and phone as well. But at the same time let Palm unit make hardware as well. With Enyo coming, one can easily scale all apps to fit all screen sizes.
I say Let Palm unit release TP in June or earlier and then use the same software, and H.P can release a webOS tablet in November. So two webOS tabs a year would be awesome.
Same for phones. Let Palm release Pre-3 in June and H/P can follow up with the same software in November maybe with a better hardware.
This would keep webOS in news and keep selling more and more phones without flooding the market with so many names that people wont know what to buy.
And for God's sake please give an option for a slab phone with VK without killing the pre-3 keyboard.
the touchpad and phones will drift apart in compatibility if this happens. different development teams and strategies will reduce the "better together" story IMHO.
Is the tablet a laptop or mobile device? A little of both? I guess it comes down to what HP and other companies see it being used at.
If it's to gain more sales at the enterprise layer, then they better get a damn video out on it and fast. This one feature will limit the success of the 1st Gen TouchPad has for business.
can i put homebrew apps on my pixi plus?
Yes you can. You simply have to install preware onto your Pixi Plus. Go to www.webos-internals.org and inform yourself about it.
" What’s going to drive iPad sales is precisely what drove tens of millions of iPhone and iPod Touch sales over the past few years: apps ... (and more specifically) the quality of those apps. A good portion of the iPad 2 event was dedicated to demonstrating new apps ... It’s the software experience that makes the iPad platform ... "
I couldn't agree more with this short quip. iOS is best for reasons including the sheer umbiquity of quality apps. Yes, I know, there are tooooo many crappy apps, but those don't drive sales and I don't include them here.
WebOS is superior on its own. it does things better than iOS and Android, but when it comes to an experience, software, on solid hardware, that'll last at least a day's worth of usage, Apple has the best basket of quality.
Maybe its not as easy as OEM's slapping android on hardware and pushing it out the door. Apple is still doing it right, even after taking into account some of the comparative shortfalls of iOS.
Hope this isn't considered trolling, its not my intent.
Ever thought that maybe take away the Tablet design from Palm, so they have more time into develop and design the Software, also let me add it would not be best to promote a cpu that is slower then the compatiton, this why Apple was mum about it, not because they change there stance on hardware to concentrate more on Software
If tablets didn't exist, would you feel you needed one?
Yes. Many of us have been asking for a P.A.D.D. like device for years.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/PADD
Microsoft's Mira (a.k.a. Windows Powered Smart Display) was an early attempt, but as usual, they managed to fail. The think cost as much as a tablet PC or laptop and the home version of windows only allows ONE session, local or remote.
http://www.theyshoulddothat.com/2006/08/ey_do_you_guys_remember_micros.html
But this story still isn't over. I want a WebOS-Tablet which also has a Wacom-compatible surface and pen!
And everything for maximum $ 600 please! Then I want it to be capable to do a Wireless-HDMI-connection to all screens (which of course will support it until then). As a litle extra DLNA also should be included.
Also of course the tablet should be able to be used like a Wiimote (for example for racing games, also with two or more players!) AND sport two cameras at the back, so that it can be used like a Kinect.
Is that too much demanding? :)
I've second'ed the Wacom abilities since touchPad was rumored! There are a lot of designers, students, artists, note-takers, insurance claim adjusters(lol) out there. HP please fulfill our dreams :)
I've been wanting a tablet-like form factor years before the iPad came out. Heck, I remember sitting in class watching someone write out their notes on a touchscreen notebook and really wanting that, and it had a tablet-like form factor when held that way.
this is an irrelevant argument. its the natural progression of innovation and technology. you cannot do anything to prevent it, so why think that you could somehow deny its existence?
I think they should jus work closely together I can see it now a soft touch magnesium back with camera on front and back full hd screen all in a 8.5mm package sound good to me
hardware does matter. I like the what is said but lets face it if it were all about the software the Pre would have moved alot more units, and we (Palm Pre user on sprint) need to realize that. I trying to stick around for the Pre 3 but as for the touchpad I'm going to have to skip. Just doesn't have what I need (HDMI, micrSD slot, etc.). HP needs to stop trying to stay in line with apple and move ahead. Look what android tablets are doing that's where we need to be at.
Software here means OS AND apps, so since the Pre didn't have apps, it didn't have a lot of software to attract people.
Those Android-tablets also cost much more. I expect the Touchpad to be less expensive.
And he said that Software is the MOST IMPORTANT, not the ONLY IMPORTANT thing. Of course the hardware matters, but if it would be only for the hardware, the Pre would have failed worse then the Microsoft Kin One and Kin Two... ;)
PS: I also want to have better components and materials, but in the end everything also has to have a competitive price... And I guess for now HP simply wants to take part in this game. When they succeed to sell around 5 million Touchpads, they will plan for 10 to 20 million next year and will also have a completely differen calculation.
Thank you Harry....These people don't get it. Yes software is important. But good hardware which to me encompasses 3 things....build quality, looks and actual specs is the 1st thing that is going to get potential customers to look at a new product. Make the product feel like you want it, look like you want it and on paper the specs make you want to check it out. It's called curb appeal. WebOS can take it from there. We all know that everybody loves WebOS whether they have a Pre or not. The Pre sold badly mainly because of 2 of the 3 hardware points I made above... unremarkable if not poor build quality and specs that was unimpressive. That led to poor sales. Poor sales is going to result in less apps. The lackkuster hardware (along with the small # of robust API's) also led to poor quality in the apps. I think everyone would agree that if the original sprint pre released had the build quality and specs of the Pre 2 things would have been different. Of course palm still had questionable marketing but I don't see why the author in this article is trying to downplay the importance of the hardware...The hardware comes 1st. We can't get the apps that we need without developer motivation.....and that means the Pre3 and TP's selling well...But its not going to sell if its not impressive out of the box....So to that end maybe HP should make sure that on top of a good hardware product that the apps it comes with are eye catching, top notch, fun, usable, etc. What ever happened to the vendor partnerships that Palm was supposed to have. Will HP make those a reality. I'm talking about vendors like Pandora,sling,skype, gooogle!!!,etc.
At this point I am so disheartened with HP/Palm- I Love WebOS, don't get me wrong, but there have been too many delays and outright Missteps!
You can't run a business like this – sooner or later HP will figure this out, I just hope WebOS is still around when they do
bring back the damn gesture! It's lame to take such an awesome future away... Instead of coming up with ideas to make their product work n feel different from others, they try to make it blend in with others! Of topic! ( I hate Android! N I hate the person who made that Garbage)
What makes me want to vomit is the way the software developer group at HPalm tries to defend the lack of a gesture area as a wise and necessary decision.
BARF!
Well it is something that you can argue about... I personally will miss it, but for people like my parents or my sister this would be very irritating. My sister needed around 2 weeks to get warm with the gesture area (and loves it now... but she would have thrown it away if it wasn't a present of me^^).
I think that the gesture area wasn't inside initially and that they (HPs Touchpad-Group and Palms Group) argued about it, and that somehow they came to the point of leaving it off of it for various reasons (where that point that you mentioned was probably one of the reasons). I hope that they will include it in some future release nevertheless.
i've been saying this for a long time. webOs is the best mobile OS out but it doesn't have developer suppoort. and not just devs like me, i want solid banking app, or something thats actually cool and not just cool for webOS. until hp gets that together, the sales of all mobile webOS devices is gonna suck... i still want the touchPad and pre3 on sprint though... now!
I have to admit if the iPad 2 did Flash I'd go get one for the wife. But no Flash = No Deal. Simple as that.
but HP said that they will be starting apps for companies that may not be showing interest yet in WebOS, then hand it over to them for free. I see this as a measure to get more involvement in their newly acquired mobile operating system. Am I wrong here?
On another note, I would love to see WebOS eventually become an OS in the likes of Mac OSX and Windows (but better than them, of course.)
We get along great with the 'touch' aspect of this wonderful multitasking mobile OS, and seeing as HP has been trying to make touch-sensitive home computers a thing for us, I can see this taking shape. Maybe somehow HP will be successful in this endeavor, in which case I would feel stupid not buying some of their stock.
Lastly, HP has a history of poor build quality, and I see this as a major factor in the TouchPad's acceptance when it is released.
Please reply and criticize this, I'd like to learn more from the people here. Anyone consider the possibility HP stock may actually jump at some point this year?
tablets are just cheap computers without a cd rom in them why wouldn't they take over???!!!?!??? Let palm make the OS that's what they got them for remember !!!! I'm not shur palm knows how to make computers just phones so why would you want a phone company to make a keybordless comp... I'm good with this... let the people that know what they are doing focuse on what they do best ..palm OS HP comps ... Seems like the right plan to me and sense wedos is comeing to comps why would you want to make separate them..i mean wouldn't you want your tabet to be just like your laptop idk just my thinking
Hurry it up 'first generation' we need to fly through the transition hiccups quick.
I just realized the kind of something about the multi-tasking on WebOS on the original pre. There something about it that shows potential with webOS 2.0 adding many features. The issues I have with it on 1.4.5 against something such as Blackberry is the kind of multitasking, Accessing applications actually become more difficult as their open and across a broad range. Something on a Blackberry or Iphone allows it to open and shut while remaining in the background live. Stacks are something that are moving the operating system forward, but when really getting into some work being completed on the phone information is pulled up, minimized and the next application is brought up to do work..
With webOS the speed of operating system overall is kind of slow even with preware additions. Still I'm looking forward to possibly purchasing a pre 2 if I can switch network by that time it will be the Pre3 already. Which just seems too strange and knowing Palm and HP's pletharge to meet their word. (again and again) It will end up being released by Christmas, right about the right time for me. We can just now kind of say the Pre 2 is actually available and still not available for pick-up in store. A highly limited release, which brings the Pre 3 as a strange addition already. It has already become the weird jump device card. Most people will be going there was Palm 2? This is why as I have mentioned several times the devices should just simply be series of phones rather then making people believe their next generation.
I must remind people the Iphone throughout its life as a device has simply progressed and done very little towards a next generation design. A good example for a good understanding is Sony's PSP to the new NGP device(quad core) gaming device. Ps2...to PS3 , etc.. That is what we consider next generation. So when companies start shooting 1,2,3,4,5, every year or 2 with nothing more then upgraded capabilities. Video calling, even the kind of gaming that has been released has been expected even by lightest of the tech world which is most people of this generation.
Floating devices, 3d phones , we kind of expect it, it is incredible but we know its there. We want the quality is the issues were facing, neat applications, but could mobile device companies be producing 1-2 variations of the same phone on their own software every 2 years or maybe even every 5 with some light upgrades and be releasing CGI looking smartphones from front to back with more emphasis on feature programming and less on how much can it do.
When we look at something like secure-lock we can't help but think Bluetooth, with light desktop software and encryption integration while transferring data. We are getting a tone of trinket applications, and it would kind of be nice to have 100 solid apps that do amazing things and branch out from there, These small applications are there no matter what they barely count, they will be developed by someone somewhere every-time on every OS. Apple has allowed easy quality development but we still can't find the serious attitude for them to develop such secure and quality software. Plus like most of you no one wants to be branded a "consumer" at 24. Again apple still seems too much secretarial. Something I originally thought of the palm, but Apple just can't get serious about anything. I want to turn on my lights and AC before I get home I just want to know other people can;t do it. If or when Microsoft does it we'll know it isn't attached to some plug in gadget to the wall.
What of course kind of is lame, is that Microsoft won't do that any time soon, and if your lucky you'll know a guy named mike who used to work there who does it on the side...not the same. So where do we find balance? The truth of the matter is we all need on of every phone just to survive with membership yearly upgrades free of charge and a community development center that produces custom secure applications for work, home, and travel.
We need Palm/HP to really start pushing it and really put at least 3-5 major applications that really integrate with your home system. How about a switch to Bing Maps 3d? and some really quality chat applications working with the social networks, lastly wireless syncing from a media based desktop software. I should be able to click through my palm profile, picture and movies through a routine sync back to my pc, and drag and drop freely.
This maybe a dumb question, but why would I want a touchpad when, for a few hundred dollars more, I could get a fully functioning touchsmart TM2? (which I already purchased for less than $900). 6 Gigs ram, 500 GB HHD, dedicated graphics, touch screen, i5, stylus, keyboard (which we all love about our Pre's), a full OS, and the option to install any software we want. With freeTether on my pre to boot. Yes, it's a few lbs heavier, but it seems like an easy choice, at least for me that is. That's a heck of a lot more bang for the buck, yes?
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So I've been waiting for HP to bring out something that will run the programs I continue to rely on on under Palm OS5 -- on a Clie TH55.
Any hope they're going to support the classic Palm operating system?