HP gearing up for Pre3 apps; Early Access emulator coming this week 62
Thu, 28 Jul 2011 5:57 pm EDT 
We’re still expecting the HP Pre3 to come this summer (HP’s still got until September 23rd if we’re going by the heliocentric definition of summer), and they’re getting set to make the App Catalog available on the new big-screened webOS phone. In an email to developers, HP announced that they are now accepting App Catalog submissions for the Pre3 and is running through their existing catalog of smartphone apps and testing them for compatibility with the Pre3.
The device is likely to run webOS 2.2, and while that version of the OS will bring support for Touch-to-Share, we’re not sure what else might be in store. The Pre3 does, however, bring a larger and higher resolution screen to the game. In fact, the 480x800 screen of the Pre3 has more than double the pixel count of its 320x480 Pre-series predecessors. Those extra pixels can be used in one of two ways: to display more content, or to display the same content as before, but using more pixels so everything just looks sharper (and a bit bigger) instead of friggin’ tiny. As HP noted a while back when they posted their quick guide to what you’ll need to do to make apps for the Veer, TouchPad, and Pre3, the plan for the Pre3 is to scale Mojo apps up, which will result in fuzzy graphics if you don’t provide any of the larger-sized assets. So, developers, update your apps, please.
You’ll notice that we haven’t mentioned Enyo until now. That’s because it seems that HP has quietly backed away from their February declaration of support for Enyo apps on the Pre3 and webOS 2.2. Right now, it’s looking like support for Enyo apps on the Pre3 won’t be available at launch, though it’s possible it could come at a later point.
As we discussed back in February, right now developers are faced with the prospect of two different programming languages for two different webOS devices. There’s the HP TouchPad with Enyo magic, and the Veer and Pre3 getting by on the increasingly outdated Mojo. Developers can make Mojo apps that work in full screen on the TouchPad, but as we’ve seen, it’s rarely ideal. And Enyo might eventually come to the phones, but when that will happen is anybody’s guess. Hopefully it’s sooner rather than later. We’ll always love you Mojo, but it’s Enyo’s time to shine.
Source: HP [email]
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Yay! :)
I hope pre-4 is under development
If it is, I certainly hope it's called something different than 'Pre 4'. I cringed when I heard they were naming the Pre3 what it is.
PLEASE NO MORE PRE'S!!!!!!!!! Thats what doomed this phone.....
I have to admit, the "Pre" name is getting tired. I think they need to revise the form factor a bit (I still actually like the vertical slider, but they could lose the "river stone" look.) and rename it. It's time.
Considering HP has actually done worse with the Pre 3 (February announcement - September release) release than Palm did with the original Pre (January announcement - June release), I predict the following
The Pre 4 will be announced by the end of August 2011. The Pre 3 will then be released in September/October 2011, with the Pre 4 scheduled for release in the Summer of 2012 with an actual release date of February 2013. In March of 2012 the Pre 5 and the Veer 2 (even smaller than the original!) will be announced.
This is good news. I hope both of those guys still developing for webOS phones get this going!!!
I kid... sort of :(
HP realizes that marathons are still a competition, right?
Wonder why they didnot make pre-3 resolution : 960-by-640
Because they don't make displays. They buy them from display makers. And these guys only offer 480x800 at the moment. If HP were Apple who basically own their supply chain, that would be a different story...
Somebody needs to tell HTC and Motorola that display makers are only making 800x480 displays because I'm pretty sure they've both released multiple qHD (960x540) devices this year worldwide.
Atrix, Photon, Evo3D, Sensation, Droid 3, etc.....
Pretty sure they don't own their supply chain either.
If I knew the details I wouldn't be commenting here. But my assumption is that just like Apple, HTC (and Motorola?) are big guys in the smartphone market and probably negotiated deals that bar the competition from using the same supply chain. I am specifically thinking of arrangements similar in nature to those described here for Apple: http://www.quora.com/What-would-be-a-good-use-of-Apples-76-2+-billion-in...
I remember Ruby said, tablet and phone software may never merge. Enyo may not come to phones till pre-4 or pre-5.
Ruby also said flash by the end of 2010 on all existing pre phones.
Ruby also said webos 2.0 was coming to the pre/pre plus lines.
Ruby also said people do want the veer.
Ruby likes to smile and give false hope. He should be a politician.
Ruby needs to shut up and go back to what he does best; Engineer cool stuff under some else's direction. He's a nice guy and all, but he had/has no business running anything larger than an engineering department. I think even HP has figured that out by now, hence his removal from the WebOS GBU.
Expect him to either leave, or move to an "internal" position within 6 months.
Developers update your Mojo apps for Pre 3 users, only? Since it won't be on Sprint then you really have to wonder how many of these smartphones AT&T will be able to sell when they arrive with the iPhone 5. I would imagine that most developers are going to wonder whether it's worth their time to make their apps look prettier on this unique screen resolution on a dead-end development platform.
As a Dev, I couldn't have said it any better myself!
This phone will be a fail if they try to release it for $200. I hope HP can learn from their experience of the TouchPad launch that their first revision products, running lesser hardware than the competition should not be priced high.
I agree. But I´m telling you, look at how long the iPaq phone, or whatever HP´s thing was called, has remained on the market. It´s still out there. It doesn´t sell, and they don´t care.
That's not good news for webOS if that is how HP works :(
Hopefully, the carriers can bring the price down for the HP Pre3 to between: $149 to $179. I noticed other similar, high-end phones, such as Samsung Galaxy 2s, Motorola Photon, and HTC EVO 3D are priced right now at: $199.00.
you can get the evo 3d for $179 on amazon. this phone shouldnt be released in my opinion. as for me, im not excited about this phone at all. i was for the first week of so after announcement but now its not even worth it in my opinion. i will put my upgrade to good use as oppose to this.
*yawn* oh wait? This phone still isn't out yet? September release, kinda around the time IPhone 5 and news of Nexus Prime will be surfacing....I think I get it now, someone at HPalm is getting a kick out of reading and watching the WebOS faithful get hurt and ridiculed by other OS users....we're kinda like those nuts that thought the rapture was coming
- WebOS user: "wait until [insert date] - THEN you'll see, Palm will kick ****
Iphone / Android user: "yeah, ummm, OK....."
---- said date comes and goes and Hpalm release another turkey, WebOS users still say they are satisfied with the device and can't wait for OTA updates and developers to get onboard!! that is until rumours of Pre4 surface, and off they go again:
WebOS user "wait until [insert date] - THEN you'll see, Palm will kick **** "
The rest of the world: -no longer listening......
HEY! >:(
I resemble that remark!
:'(
close to home?? LOL! That was me while waiting for an upgrade from the original Pre...then they released the Pre2...at which point I got myself a nexus S...still use my Pre though - just biding my time until HP get it right, I've decided to no longer punish myself!
I've been ready for a new phone when the Pre2 came out, but it wasn't on Sprint. Plus, it wasn't enough innovation and change from the Pre. Pre's were too slow, not snappy enough. Even with the 1GHz kernel boost, it's still slow. Now with the announcement that it won't support Enyo. Well, I don't care that much as long as new innovative apps are released or that companies offer innovative websites which support HTML5 and more. HP recently said that they were hurt from drastic cuts in R&D funding and now they are spending the money. Well, I hope they are putting their money where their mouth is. HTFU.. and get some decent products out there. Still the smart phone is the key. Tablets will follow. But I'll buy a new smart phone first.
if they want to sell well ,i suggest that they try in the Asian emerging markets that's how samsung and htc did it .
This is going to be a classic case of not listening to the market. The market has clearly, CLEARLY, spoken. They want high profile apps and desirable hardware. HP has not delivered on either of these. I don't want to hear about market share, independent developers don't make Netflix and Hulu apps, nor do they make games running on Unreal 3 tech. Just pay these damn companies, it's so easy it's ridiculous, and you know they are not doing this or else the touchpad would have had more apps then it did at launch.
It's clear that whoever is making strategic technical decisions at Palm/HP is doing a poor job. "Hey lets announce the new Pre 3 in Feb. and then launch the Pre 2 in the US a few weeks later, also let's make sure the Pre 3 doesn't run at a resolution that lets us scale apps easily from the pre2/pre resolution." Why didn't they use 960x640!? It's not like another competing phone came out last year with that resolution, in a year they couldn't find a manufacturer able to do this?
I think HP pushed tablets way to hard after acquiring Palm, released a lackluster piece of hardware (and software) and now finally has started in earnest to work on smartphones again, even though Windows 8 is going to basically bomb them out of the tablet market in 12 months, all while crushing their dreams/reasons to launch webOS as a layer on Windows. They should have built a better phone OS and launched compelling phones, now they're just waiting for the other shoe to fall while they launch tablets that nobody is buying.
Don't worry though, I'm sure we'll see the Veer 2 by December.
oh God. Not a veer 2. Just kill the veer already. I was at best buy the other day they were giving them away for free and the salesman told me "we haven't even sold 1 at the free price. no one wants it"
I am really really starting to believe the rumor that Apple is paying HP to kill webos.
December of which year? ;-)
Didn't Jon and that new guy mention in an interview on "this is my next" that for the foreseeable future there will be a different webOS on Touchpad than on phones? The way I understood that is that Mojo will remain in place on the phones and Enyo is for tablets exclusively. I wonder what they call the webOS fork for printers. Or how about a different framework for every screen resolution they support? It's obvious that HP is playing catch up with Android trying to emulate their fragmentation.
I can't stress enough how important bringing Enyo to their smartphones is, especially for new developers. Mojo, along with Palm, Palm's Pre and the rest of the garbage they put out, is dead. HP, as well as everyone here, should forget about everything that happened to WebOS before HP. It was a complete failure. This is HP WebOS now, and it should be seen as a new life for the OS.
WebOS is finally on the verge of being "officially" launched (ignore what happened with Palm, it was a failure, and most people other than sick nerds, have forgotten, dont care, or dont even know what Pre/WebOS is), with the backing of organization that can properly support and advance the ecosystem. To modernize the ecosystem, especially for developers, Mojo need to be written off, and Enyo has to be the API thats used from this point forward for all WebOS devices. At this point, for new and even existing developers, there is no point to using Mojo - First, wanting to target "legacy" users (of which, the numbers are practically non existant) isn't much of
a reason, especially as those users are running some of the worst and most outdated devices. Second, if Enyo will be the future anyway (even if its not on phones at release), while taking the first point into consideration, most new developers will not even give Mojo a thought. Although the devices would be able to run Mojo and Enyo, I dont think there would be much of an incentive for them to support Mojo, or maintain two different code bases.
Android might be fragmented, but its just OS version, its not to the point where you have to use two radically different APIs or SDKs for phones or tablets. Although I probably can't make one app build that targets both 2.x and 3.x (at least not until ICS), I can still at least reuse the same code (Java) for the non UI related functions. Thats not as bad as whats happening in WebOS, but you can still see the lack of 3.x apps as a result, as everyone is slow to bring their apps
to 3.x. (also, Im sure the worthless Android Honeycomb emulator has a lot to do with that as well)
Until there is some "Synergy" brought to the development experience for WebOS, I wouldn't place any positive bets on the long term viability of the OS.
Agreed. It makes no sense to simultaneously be trying to migrate developers to a new framework, and introducing new devices that are still on the old one. Stop putting roadblocks in front of your developers! Right now, you need them desperately. Don't forget it for a second!
It's exactly what they have told us back in February - Enyo support was never mentioned to be part of the Pre 3 by release:
"While Mojo has been the foundation for apps on current webOS devices and the upcoming Veer and Pre 3, Enyo is the future (...) so you can start dreaming about the amazing capabilities that will power webOS 3.0 devices, starting with the HP TouchPad"
http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/02/mojo-and-enyo-two-great-opportuni...
Thank you!
enyo was never going to be used to develop webOS 2.x apps. i don't know what made people think otherwise.
Derek, you need to update your post.
Nice how you skipped the last sentence of that paragraph from the blog post ... how about you include the whole quote, you missed:
"You’ll be able to leverage this work for Enyo-based smartphone updates as well."
While this is a bit nebulous, since they have not announced anything beyond the Pre 3 the assumption would certainly have to be that Enyo would be supported on the Pre 3.
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::YAWN:: I'm so tired of waiting..I thought I'd have the Pre 3 by now since we're well into summer.
Thinking now I might as well wait for the Pre 4 (whatever they're going to call it). I've been using my Treo now for mostly everything except where I have wifi access for web browsing on my Pre +. I'd be completely satisfied if the Treo's browser was faster and completely give up my never ending wait for a new unbroken webOS device. Still no mention of CallRec on a webOS device and I really missed the memory card feature.
I really feel burned by hp and Rovio (and wonder if that's become the norm for webOS developers) since I purchased it with the understanding I would receive routine updates but I play Angry Birds on my son's Iphone..
someone wake me up when a new durable webOS device comes to at&t that won't be outdated at launch.
I want it I want it I want it!!!!
woohoo!!!!!!!!!! it's great news!!!!!!!
who gives a **** - its not coming to sprint! not giving up my 25% discount or unlimited data! going to try the motorola photon because of international capabilities..if it eventually makes it sprint then i will switch back!
Looking forward to this. I may switch from VZW to ATT though.
Look at what is happening to Sprint after they posted their massive subscriber exodus. It's like the Pre not only took down Palm but it helped to take down Sprint, also.
a year late.... dont even bother with this
I have been told by a Verizon employee who was @ the time holding a Pre3, that it was said to be releasing in Sep. The source is very reliable.
Awesome news. Launch the same month as iPhone 5 EXCLUSIVELY on the two carriers that are 100 percent confirmed to have it then, and have sales staff that are predisposed to that and Android.
Yep, that's just keen business savvy. Let's also ignore the only viable US carrier without an iphone and has over half your webOS base.
In a year or so this probably won't be an issue as HP will have dumped webOS for windows 8.
I will add the Pre3 was a "world phone" it had a Sim card also.
Gawd. isnt this something, that should have done 2months ago. HP, what is really up with you?
p.s: When i started to type to come on this site (which I come to everyday), I typed iprecentral before i caught myself. Take note of that HP. That's what you've made me become
I would wager Sprint's incredibly BAD customer service did far more to drive customers away than the Pre ever could.
Sprint has turned this problem around and now ties with Verizon for best.
webOS devices need this type of turnaround.
I'd like to know how you get those great Sprint reps - I must just have bad luck?
In their latest quarterly, Sprint keeps losing subs but adding prepaids. Lack of phones, bad marketing, and that crippling choice of wimax will do that.
Pre3? **** im still waiting for flash on my pre+ :)
I used to be one of those "tired of waiting" people. Then i realized, HP has only had a year to bring webos devices to the market. everyone is still thinking (Palm) and holding on to their pre's waiting for updates and new phones. (me included) I love my pre+ and even though i could get a nifty Atrix that has everything my pre+ does not and more, it just doesn't flow like webos. I am either crazy or stubborn, but im excited about HP's direction for webos. For now my OC'd pre+ still kicks ****
What's the old Deniece Williams song? "Too much too little too late..."
I love webOS, would have loved the Pre3 - but it should have come out in May, not *possibly* September. I've already dumped my near-dead Pre- for Verizon's Pre2, and that'll satisfy me until next summer.
The Pre3 WAS a nice phone, when announced. Now it's a cycle behind (again!), and I don't see any point in buying one at this late date. And this is from a TouchPad owner. I'd rather just hang out with my Pre2 and see if they finally get their s**t together for the next product cycle, and release the long-anticipated "superphone" in a timely fashion.
Or just let Samsung/HTC license webOS already, geez.
Even if you manage to buy the unit with the best tech specs in any "cycle", something better will soon arrive. There are no cycles, only continuous improvement.
This is true for phones, audio equipment, and refrigerators.
If you like webOS, just jump in when you find something that works well for you. Like any other appliance, there will be something better soon. It's your decision whether you let that bother you.
So let me ask the group. Do you think the Pre2 will be able to run WebOs 2.02 with Touch to Share enabled?
Sprint unlimited plan, FrankenPre2 and my tether for a wifi Touchpad. Not all that elegant but it could work.
And webOS people call Android development fragmented....sheesh.
What I dont get is why WebOS is presenting all of these problems for scaling to different size form factors. One of the biggest things that everyone at palm talked about when WebOS first came out is how it was web based and how easily it would scale to any size, why is this now a problem with every new form factor. I get how graphics/images work and how they get pixelated when you scale them up, but i dont get how they got that information so wrong.
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Well smith2sc its like this. Vector graphics is the use of geometrical primitives such as points, lines, curves, and shapes or polygon(s), which are all based on mathematical equations, to represent images in computer graphics.
Adobe Postscript fonts is an example where Vector graphics is used, STOP REREAD. Poscript language....PDF....Adobe.....Palm.... HP.....
What did Palm fail to do.....Render PDF's and the last thing they did was break the pdf viewer after a couple months of making it better. 1.4.5 killed the pdf viewer dead. Thanks jackass's! Postcript language belongs to adobe. Vector graphics are great with curves graphics, pictures circles etc. SOMEONE (HP) is not paying the ADOBE piper I suspect and thats why to this day we now are all looking to the open office company to render the PDF along with general office app files. HP on the other hand invented the PCL print language that is mainly good with strait lines and only has minor support for the postscipt language. Palm HP really piss me off about the PDF support. I hope people wake up and demand better PDF support. Blackberry does it , office to go or what ever support all PDF Acrobat disstillers back to 15 year ago or more from the beginning of Adobe files I think. If Rim can find away to get it done. I would think HP could have done it but , **** I bet Pre 2 still have no support or some crappy broken PDf viewer. I would piss myself if im wrong.
I imagine in the future colleges of business administration will have the Palm/HP Palm cell phone fiasco as a textbook case on how to foil a good thing.
O.K. I was suspicious about the 1.4.5 update on my Pre- and my PDFs not working. Thanks for confirming my suspicion.
is there any app which records phone call conversations as yet for pre 3