HP hopes to ship 100 million webOS devices a year, bringing new cloud services 33
Perhaps the implications of webOS getting included on every single HP PC in 2012 and beyond didn't quite hit you, so we'll let HP's CEO Leo Apotheker give you a number, just dropped at the HP Summit: 100 million webOS devices a year. That's a bunch.
Before you go too crazy thinking this will make webOS - even if on PCs - the dominant force in mobility, remember that last we heard there are 208 android devices activated every minute compared to the 120 PCs a minute that HP sells. So 100 million webOS devices is a serious (and for current and future developers, seriously exciting) number, it's quickly becoming clear that if you're not playing at that scale in the coming years, you're not going to be in the game at all.
CEO Leo Apotheker also made reference to an "Open cloud" that HP is building for developers to take advantage of to offer clould services to HP customers. It looks like they're ramping up Enterprise, SMB, and consumer cloud services - more on that as we get details.
Update: and HP has dropped a press release:
HP intends to build webOS into a leading connectivity platform. As the world’s No. 1 maker of PCs and printers, HP has the potential to deliver 100 million webOS-enabled devices a year into the marketplace, and HP plans to use that scale along with leading development tools to build a robust developer community that is eager to access every segment of the market and every corner of the globe.
Source: HP Summit
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That number is all fine and dandy, but the number of actual users is the one that counts, and probably the one that will never be revealed.
That should be 2 PCs a second.
And 2 Printers per second. Thats a lot.
A lot of the Android devices that will be activated are replacing other Android devices and phones have a much shorter shelf life.
Those PC's are used for years.
I am really hoping for real connectivity through the cloud... Music, files, pictures, data, games and all my contacts on all my devices pulling data from my cloud account. Open a file with my phone on the train ride home, review it on my TouchPad or desktop/laptop, print from any device or email it too. All the music I have on my computer available on any of my other devices via "cloud"....So coool. C'mon HP, make it happen. You are the only guys big enough to do it all, but you need to do it really well, and quickly too!
I'm pretty sure the number of PC's HP sells is 2 per second that being 120 per minute. Not 2 per minute.
Yeah, figures out just a couple months ago pegged their LAPTOP shipments at 50 million/year, which is 1.6/second. 100 million devices per year works out to 3.16 devices per second, whereas 208 Androids/minute is just larger at 3.46/second. And those 3.46 devices are probably running at least 5 different version of Android :-) Apple is selling 85 - 90 million iPhones/year and another 10 - 12 million iPads, so they're in the same ballpark as HP (or vice-versa). Either way, 100 million WebOS devices/year makes HP a Tier 1 player.
There is a huge difference between "hopes to sell" vs "is selling". There is also a huge difference between selling products with this as "the" OS vs computers with a second OS tacked on. 100 million is a nice number, but it will not fool developers.
True, but unlike tablets and smartphones. HP already HAS a huge marketshare. They don't need to build momentum or take sales from Apple or HTC or Samsung or Motorola. HP can include webOS in every Windows PC/laptop it sells without an upcharge. So all it needs to do is keep selling its main products at the pace they already selling to reach this milestone.
I like this strategy. the ability to use an app on your laptop or desktop, then seemlessly transfer the data to a smarphone or tablet for mobile use has great promise.
Dream on hp.
Last quarter (Christmas's quarter) Apple sold 16 millions iphone. So they sell around 60 millons a year and not 85-90.
16M in the xmas Q, meaning M/year should be much less than 60M
i would like to know the basis for the calculations when google says 208 devices being "used"
my best guess is, if you sell a device, you are also "using" it
you cannot really compare both numbers, # devices sold/min is included in the # devices being used
100 million devices a year for HP does not make it a Tier 1 mobile player. Not when the shift is clearly away from using desktop and laptops to more mobile devices like smartphones. So while it will be nice to have webos on more items, how much do you think people use their computers now compared to their phones and tablets? Hopefully developers will develop anyway.
At the enterprise level desktop/laptops/notebook still rules, but soon to be replaced by the TouchPads and Pre 3s. So 100 million+ devices indeed Tier 1 player , specially backed up by secured cloud services.
Do we really care that WebOS is on a PC or printer? Hey, I can use my WebOS Facebook app on my computer, or I could just log onto Facebook. Whoopie, Angry Birds for my printer.
Yes you can.
But imagine a medical admission and diagnostic tool located on a light and easy to carry, long battery life tablet, that can then transfer that information seamlessly to a webOS equipped networked laptop/desktop that retreives the data and uploads it to the hospital's server based patient management program.
Then WebOS transforms from a mobile platform to an enterprise platform. I would have gotten a RIM device if that is what I wanted.
So when is HP gonna put webOS on a TV ????
"HP hopes to ship 100 million webOS devices a year"
The problem is: how many are they going to really sell? Shipping to the shelves is different from selling!
I fear that our beloved webOS will be doomed with these guys. They are making mistakes over mistakes and now they also dreaming about 100 millions/year and useless printers with webOS...
Ed Colligan and Jon Rubenstein killed Palm and now Leo Apotheker is killing webOS.
:-(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI056nhaduk
Then please write a detailed analysis how HP can do everything right and easily win the race against Google and Apple. Send this to Mr. Apotheker and explain him, that you apparently know more about software, business, programming, management, marketing and the market than anybody else at HP or even on the world.
Of course 100 million webOS devices a year is a marketing number. But even if of those 100 million PCs sold with webOS only 10% actually use it... this would make up another 10 million webOS devices. Together with some other millions sold on phones and tablets this would clearly push Windows Phone 7 to the fourth place and establish webOS as the third power in this game.
HP isn't planing to surpass Apple nor Google for now. First and foremost they want to stabilise their position and become recognised as a viable platform for developers. When this is done, the next step is to try to surpass any of the others and even if HP forever stays at some 10 to 20% and the third position... this wouldn't be bad at all and would still guarantee a good support for all webOS-users.
I see future bloatware being forced on the consumer... can it be uninstalled?
Devices need apps. Apps need APIs. webOS needs to mature and add those APIs.
I wonder if the plan is to allow the same Palm profile to work on all of the HP devices (phone, tablet, printer, PC, etc.) If so, this should be good for the consumer avoiding repurchasing the same app over and over. However, this does not equate to multiple sales for app developers. Will this have a negative effect? Or, will the larger potential market be a motivator?
I'm looking for any sort of indication that HP is going to differentiate this from, say, the Chrome OS and web store.
I haven't seen it yet. It looks like this, Ubuntu, Joli OS, and Chrome are going be fighting for the same generic HTML5 scraps.
Love the positivity in here guys. Wow u guys are seriously pessimistic. Glad we don't look to you guys for the future. Long live webOS.
Not that at all. I say that because I tried Chrome and Jolicloud/Joli OS when I first got my HP mini netbook. I thought a "light" and "cloud-based" OS with lots of HTML5 apps would smoke Win 7 and make for an amazingly different experience.....
...it didn't. Win 7 starts up quicker if you keep it in sleep mode. Chrome on Windows is just as fast as Chromium. A lot of the same apps are available in Intel's AppUp netbook store to run on Win 7.
I want more from WebOS on PCs than "it runs in a browser". So will developers who use GPS apps, make games, make camera apps or make microphone apps. Otherwise, might as well stick to focusing on phones and tablets. I would think anyone around here wish they would.
As they said the transition will be a step-by-step thing. Of course they can't simply wipe away windows and install webOS onto their computers.
HP clearly expects that (at least the consumer market) moves more and more to touch computing devices. And as such they want to have a slow transition (maybe over 3 to 5 years) from Windows to their webOS.
No sense in being pessimistic, it wouldn't do any good anyway. ...
HI all,
I don't get you people...way too many of you have WAY to many negative comments....The REAL bottom line here, is that HP has just shown the app community that it means business and wants as many WebOS apps written as soon as possible!
As far as ti being bloatware, that a bunch of nonsence...I know a number of people in their 90's that know how to remove unwanted programs...
BTW who says webOS will be unwanted....I am SURE completely POSITIVE that HP is leveraging it's huge sales and the fact that it is 8 million pound gorilla to make more webOS apps available asap!
PLEASE, STOP WHINING AND BE HAPPY!
Also keep in mind HP WANTS to have as many webOS apps as possible for another reason...the more successful that webOS is on PC's and laptops the more clout that HP has to keep MS licensing fees at bay!
In many , many ways it's in HP's best interest to get webOS out there and in many hands as possible..
THIS IS ALL GOOD NEWS FOR ALL OF US!
Take care all,
Jay
Let's talk about the real issue here. Is it me, or does Apotheker look like he's about to get his hands on some major boobage in the picture above?
OK...a lot of people here haven't been paying attention. Per Todd Bradley's 2/9 remarks, HP CURRENTLY ships 2 laptops or desktops/second, and 2 printers/second (or 240 devices/minute vs. Android's 208). Do the math: that adds up to 126,444,000 devices a year that are planned to ship with webOS.
From Leo's remarks we gather that the Windows machines will get webOS first, with the printers to follow. It seems clear that the "hope to" factor is how quickly it makes it to the printer line, NOT whether that many devices will ship. Apple has sold 100 million iPhones total and 15 million original iPads.
I kind of like the way this stacks up for webOS vs the competition. THIS is what Windows has always wanted to be, and SHOULD have been: a unified operating environment across multiple platforms and form factors, with effortless and seamless information sharing between devices and into and out of the cloud, and now with an app framework where developers can write the code once and it runs on multiple form factors.
Are you kidding me? If HP can pull this off this is SICK!!
+1 SWP
Besides, that's 100 million next year. HP also has the potential to use auto updates to add WebOS to every laptop they have currently sold and to package it to be added to non-HP Windows devices, Linux devices and yes even Macs and Apple devices in the future. Doinng this would mean tha WebOS would link HP Tablets to Mac computers and Linux computers. They could potentially make it available on Windows, Apache and FreeDSB servers.
Though I am hoping it's not dual boot but side-by-side like gadgets and widgets or Areo and Silverlight.
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