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by Derek Kessler Fri, 09 Dec 2011 1:50 pm EST

HP today announced their plans to contribute the webOS operating system to the open source community. While HP still has not announced any plans for new webOS devices, they are committing to furthering the development of the webOS platform through collaboration with open source developers. In today’s press statement HP CEO Meg Whitman said that by open sourcing webOS, “HP unleashes the creativity of the open source community to advance a new generation of applications and devices.”

HP plans to make the underlying code of webOS available as part of an open source license, allowing anybody from a homebrew developer to a manufacturer to pick it up and make their own enhancements and versions. HP will also “engage the open source community” about the rules of the webOS open source project, and laying out a few promises of their own.

  • The goal of the project is to accelerate the open development of the webOS platform
  • HP will be an active participant and investor in the project
  • Good, transparent and inclusive governance to avoid fragmentation
  • Software will be provided as a pure open source project

HP also intends to contribute the Enyo application framework to the open source community in the near future. So at least that will have the opportunity to live on.

Notably absent from the press release is any mention of hardware, either from HP or possible partners. The open sourcing of webOS brings to a close months of speculation and hand-wringing about what HP would do with the operating system after former CEO Leo Apotheker cancelled hardware development. It’s clear that HP’s conclusion was that it would cost too much for them to try hardware on their own again, while simultaneously they were unable to find a suitor willing to meet HP’s price and conditions for a sale of webOS.

Press release is after the break.  

HP to Contribute webOS to Open Source

HP to enable creativity of the community to accelerate the next-generation web-centric platform

PALO ALTO, Calif., Dec. 9, 2011 – HP today announced it will contribute the webOS software to the open source community.

HP plans to continue to be active in the development and support of webOS. By combining the innovative webOS platform with the development power of the open source community, there is the opportunity to significantly improve applications and web services for the next generation of devices.

webOS offers a number of benefits to the entire ecosystem of web applications. For developers, applications can be easily built using standard web technologies. In addition, its single integrated stack offers multiplatform portability. For device manufacturers, it provides a single web-centric platform to run across multiple devices. As a result, the end user benefits from a fast, immersive user experience.

“webOS is the only platform designed from the ground up to be mobile, cloud-connected and scalable,” said Meg Whitman, HP president and chief executive officer. “By contributing this innovation, HP unleashes the creativity of the open source community to advance a new generation of applications and devices.”

HP will make the underlying code of webOS available under an open source license. Developers, partners, HP engineers and other hardware manufacturers can deliver ongoing enhancements and new versions into the marketplace.

HP will engage the open source community to help define the charter of the open source project under a set of operating principles:

  • The goal of the project is to accelerate the open development of the webOS platform
  • HP will be an active participant and investor in the project
  • Good, transparent and inclusive governance to avoid fragmentation
  • Software will be provided as a pure open source project

HP also will contribute ENYO, the application framework for webOS, to the community in the near future along with a plan for the remaining components of the user space.

Beginning today, developers and customers are invited to provide input and suggestions at http://developer.palm.com/blog/.

About HP

HP creates new possibilities for technology to have a meaningful impact on people, businesses, governments and society. The world’s largest technology company, HP brings together a portfolio that spans printing, personal computing, software, services and IT infrastructure to solve customer problems. More information about HP (NYSE: HPQ) is available at http://www.hp.com.

This news release contains forward-looking statements that involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions. If such risks or uncertainties materialize or such assumptions prove incorrect, the results of HP and its consolidated subsidiaries could differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements and assumptions. All statements other than statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemed forward-looking statements, including but not limited to statements of the plans, strategies and objectives of management for future operations, including execution of growth strategies, transformation initiatives and restructuring plans; any statements concerning expected development, performance or market share relating to products and services; any statements regarding anticipated operational and financial results; any statements of expectation or belief; and any statements of assumptions underlying any of the foregoing. Risks, uncertainties and assumptions include macroeconomic and geopolitical trends and events; the competitive pressures faced by HP’s businesses; the development and transition of new products and services (and the enhancement of existing products and services) to meet customer needs and respond to emerging technological trends; the execution and performance of contracts by HP and its customers, suppliers and partners; the protection of HP’s intellectual property assets, including intellectual property licensed from third parties; integration and other risks associated with business combination and investment transactions; the hiring and retention of key employees; expectations and assumptions relating to the execution and timing of growth strategies, transformation initiatives and restructuring plans; the resolution of pending investigations, claims and disputes; and other risks that are described in HP’s Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the fiscal quarter ended July 31, 2011 and HP’s other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including but not limited to HP’s Annual Report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended October 31, 2010. HP assumes no obligation and does not intend to update these forward-looking statements.

© 2011 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P. The information contained herein is subject to change without notice. HP shall not be liable for technical or editorial errors or omissions contained herein.

133 Comments

Holy S***!

So...
(1) No more having to meta-doctor oneself - full, modified webosdoctors can now be distributed
(2) Ports to other hardware - I would love to get the newest Android phone and port it over to webOS! Even better would be for a hardware manufacturer (a la HTC or Samsung) to take the OSS and make a phone for it!
(3) Can HP still turn a profit from app sales alone?
(4) Will we see large 3rd-party support diminish until the user-base tips? Android had minimal 3rd-party support when it first started out. Obviously, support from solo devs, small firms, and the like will continue.

Wow!

AWESOME

Is this the tech equivalent of putting the furniture that you don't want out on the curb?

If so, Google put Android out on the curb on day 1.

Google pumps tons of money to develop and maintain Android as part of their overall strategy. We'll have to see if HP is willing to do the same.

yep. . . that's the big difference. people may not like that Google's Android isn't "community driven" but the reality is Google spends a boat load to push Android forward and I really doubt that any mobile open-source platform will be truly successful without such backing. . . and I doubt HP has a way to recoup the required funds to really make webOS successful. Nor do I think other OEMs will see webOS as a more viable alternative to Android. . . but you never know.

Dude, the Android products that run AOSP Android are junky, cheap "tablets" from the like of Coby and Pandigital.

That's what any future WebOS hardware would look like. Nobody is going to manufacture top notch hardware, put money behind advertising it, and then slap an open-source OS with no ecosystem on it.

Disco!

Regardless of this line from the press release: "Good, transparent and inclusive governance to avoid fragmentation.", I can't help but see a future where WebOS devices get the same treatment as Android devices simply because everybody and their mother is offering 12 different AOS devices on the showroom floor at any given moment.

That said though, I can't wait to get me some new WebOS. I'm about to run out on my 2-yr contract with my gen1 Sprint Pre. I'm seriously considering extending the contract without getting a new phone - just keeping the Pre. THATS how badly I do not want to go iPhone4s.

What AOSP Android PHONES do you know of?

I can't think of one (and no, the Nexus series doesn't qualify).

I know people (well, people here anyways) want to port the phone version of WebOS to top-notch Android phones, but the variance in chipsets, GPUs and such are going to have WebOS essentially be like an anonymous Android ROM (as opposed to the top-notch ones like Cyanogen): Works on some phones....mostly. LTE or WiMax access will be less than dependable.

Fragmented. Will be funny to see the demonizers of Android reduced to defending these attributes.

yup me too. I think next will be a frankenpre for me. hello craigslist for body parts..

You do not have to Renew your contract to stay on your plan. I haven't purchased a phone from Sprint in years. I buy off ebay. I don't renew and still have my150 to put on a new phone If I renew my contracts.

Yup

not exactly what i had expected...
so there is a chance webOS could show up on an HTC or Samsung phone?

Let the next chapter of the webOS saga begin.
Very interesting.

Good news!!!

Rod Whitby and the whole webOS internals team -- we need you now more than ever!

I truly hope webOS Internals still pushes to expand on webOS.

I seems like they could just make their own version with all patches pre-installed and have a menu to enable whichever ones you want.

These folks will get more of my money if they continue to update.

I am eager to see how much of the code is open sourced. WebOS on current Android phones seems like a reasonable goal.

So no layoffs from HP?

AWESOME!!! Thank you HP for taking webOS in this direction!

Smart move. Get the software going... Establish a wider software base.

Then, let's see if the hardware follows...

Better than just shutting it down.

So what happens to the servers? Private clouds now?

What will happen to the paid apps in the app Catalog?

Probably just like how Android Market is today.

If companies do start to pick this up, and we see WebOS forks, all the voices that constantly say "well look at the fragmentation that occurs with android" will be silent.

I for one look forward to our badly skinned webOS overlords.

In other words webOS is the next meego.

This is my shocked face: :-o

Can we take "HP will be an active participant and investor in the project" to mean they'll keep servers for Palm Profiles live? Real leery on how that part's gonna work.

I guess it means they will keep the servers going for *their* version of WebOS, ZTE's fork will have it's own servers (plus a really cool neon skin and a big clock in the middle of the page) etc.

looks similar to my "o" face ...*im not a comedian*...lol

well, so still kinda no idea what the future will be for webOS.

It's better than shutting it down I guess, but it's not like hugh commitmend either

I didn't expect that to happen, but much better than watching it die on HP printers.

So I'll keep watching and waiting and hopefully it will gain some traction and I can return from the Android blitzkrieg back to a more civilized, albeit app-light, webOS world!

Long live webOS!

this could go either way. Away from the smart slick os we all love - or this could actually mean that other companies gets interested. Everybody loves open source... (except for apple).
not even android is open sourced. I'd bet samsung, sony and htc , perhaps also lg are happy little pigs today!

Android better watch out!! It's not the only outstanding open source mobile OS anymore!

I'll be laughing my **** of when there are the first webOS ports for the Xoom, galaxy tab and iconia tab :D

I am interested to see how fast webOS gets ported to other types of hardware.

If this statement is out of scope please educate me as I don't know the current depth that this could mean for legal.

lol, It makes me laugh that the answer was 4 months ago. :) (a recent article on precentral)

Awwww, yeah....looking forward to the Viewsonic W Tablet with a low-quality screen, chunky build, and no ecosystem whatsoever.

Booyaka!

Does this make it similar to Android OS where it can be used by anybody bloated and stuck on a phone or tablet?

Great because this place and the constant cloud of self-delusion will never completely go away.

Also, those who invested in the devices already will continue to see some return on your investment.

Bad for anyone who ever expected another decent, supported WebOS product to be made. Aint gonna happen, but then again, any realist knew that months ago.

About the best fate this community could hope for.

Go away!

It's true. Now the loonies can speculate *forever* about how HTC and Samsung and Nokia and LG and Sony are going to release WebOS products.

Reminds me of that "Ship in a bottle" episode of Star Trek TNG. The webOS community has just been placed in a cube with enough memory to live out their fantasies in a world that is real only to them. HP has promised to keep that cube powered on for as long as possible.

Congrats guys/gals.

Everybody needs a hobby, lol.

Nice! Hopefully this means we'll see some good hardware rather soon from other manufacturers.

From what I can tell, our Homebrew community works rather well together. Let's hope we don't have some lil kids suddenly jump into the mix and mess things up by bringing big egos and inability to work together with others. Recent history from September come to mind. lol

"Hopefully this means we'll see some good hardware rather soon from other manufacturers."

Yeah, don't hold your breath Hobbz.

hey - If you're gonna lose a ton of money, you might as well make people happy in the process. I bet they didn't mention any hardware plans because they will want to see what the success of the open source community is before they put it on something else. Ironically, the success will be limited without something else to put it on.

+100 for spelling "lose" correctly. Why is it so hard for so many to do?

Did not see that coming...

I think this is the technical version of "I think we should see other people..."

Sigh.

That is possible, but we are at least still friends.

I've called it for over a month.

No hardware support.
Want to keep the OS.
No buyer.
No hardware to put it on.
Want to do good by the community

= Open source.

I'm no programmer by any means, but this is a great opportunity for the community to develop webOS even further. It was incredible that the homebrew community was able to flourish, but this just trumps that completely. The homebew community is now our overlords. This is really the next best thing to HP keeping webOS, and personally, I think it's even better.

Thank you, HP.

I'm with you. I foresaw the same equation, except I thought Intel might by the patent rights and merge webOS and Tizen efforts. The later could still happen. It will be very interesting to see if it does.

didnt expect that, but **** its good, we might actually get the missing bluetooth transfers to other devices at long last.

vivla webosinternalsOS

Sorry guys, I call this a "soft shut down".

This will be great for hackers to install over their next and greatest Android phones, but there is no way this will make it to the general public in the form of a trouble free, well integrated phone or tablet.

Don't get me wring, it's great that they are doing this, but there is no way you'll ever see another webOS device on the market.

Luckily, iOS works well (even if it's boring), Android is becoming less of a mess by the day, and Windows Phone 7 is a little gem of usability and interface design (just lacking apps.)

No matter what happened to webOS, we are still living in a golden age of mobile computing. Let's all be thankful to Palm for opening that door from the beginning, even if that same door was slammed right in their face.

Long live Palm!

I agree with you. I don't think webOS will be popular. There are several open-source mobile platforms already and only Android is doing well and that's because of the tons of money Google puts in along with their high-end hardware partners. I don't see those OEMs dropping Android in favor of webOS, but time will tell.

While I'm still on the wall with this decision, this could be as good as it is bad.

What I mean is, it depends on how HP decides to open source it. If they truly open source it the right way - not like android, vendors may flock to this as a free alternative. Keep in mind Android is not really free and does cost manufacturers money to sell it on their device.

IF HP decides to truly make it open and "free" that could push other phone manufacturers to drop Android altogether (especially since Android is in a ton of lawsuits).

This could be good, but if they don't do it right, it will die.

anything is possible. . . however, like you say, this depends on HP doing it "right."

Don't want to rain on the parade -- but how is this a good thing?

Sure, sure, anyone can get the source and put it on a device. Sure, sure, any manufacturer can pick up the source and modify it to work on their devices. Sure, sure, it will be FREE for anyone to work with....

But....

Are manufacturers really going to be interested in this twice defeated OS?

Would anyone with the capital to make a dent in anything be willing to pick this up when HP is basically washing it's hands of it?

To me -- this is the second worst option (the worst would obviously be to shutdown and keep the source private).

Obviously only time will tell -- but there are not just mountains to climb, but mountains on top of mountains to climb for this to mean anything.

It's great for the likes of Coby, Viewsonic, Pandigital, and Chinese KIRF manufacturer, etc...

But you won't see anyone manufacturing quality hardware for an open-source piece of software. And as far as open-source phones.....nah.

I'm sure people will try hacking this onto top-notch Android devices going forward. Seems silly with Ice Cream Sandwich coming native on them, but whatevs.

Why is this great for those manufacturers when they are already using Android that has a much larger ecosystem?

I really don't see why any of these manufacturers would bother with webOS. HP sold a lot of Touchpads because they were dirt cheap and supposed to be high-end tablets.

I don't see OEMs bothering with webOS. . . but who knows.

They don't have access to the "much larger" Android ecosystem, and they're stuck witha "phone" version of it. From what I understand, they'd have full access to the build of WebOS on the Touchpad.

Now it would most certainly run like a dog on the cheap processors they'd be using, much like Android does. But it would look snazzier than AOSP Froyo.

Hey...I'm trying to keep the hope alive 'round here. Work with me, will ya?

They are no longer stuck with a phone version. Android 4.0 ICS has been released to AOSP and is phone+tablet ready with GPU hardware acceleration.

They have total access to the Android Market -- only requires they join the OHA and follow the guidelines. If they choose not to do that then they don't get Google's apps, but they are easily added by the end user. Not much of a big deal there.

Yes. . . all those craptastic things run poorly and will with Android or webOS. . . . probably worse with webOS and the reality is they don't sell well at all. But in a year we'll have pretty good hardware at the bottom end so that may be different.

I know. . people want to keep the hope alive. . . but the reality is, the market can't support that many open-source platforms or platforms in general. While some may not like everything about Android at least it has significant financial backing, has a flourishing ecosystem, dev community, and hardware support.

I think the best that could happen is if Android brings into it the best parts of webOS to make it that much better but HP probably wouldn't like that.

IMO, one great open-source mobile platform is better than several mediocre ones.

BUT. . . we never know what the future will bring.

And so comes the end of the 3rd age of middle earth...now the 4th age begins...the age of men!

How am I supposed to have closure? It's another turn of the page! Good luck, maybe some cool stuff will come from open sourcing, at least those with the 'fire in their belly' for webOS can do something with it if they want.

so there is a chance webOS could show up on an HTC or Samsung phone?

No.

It could happen, but not likely at all

Someone can hack it on there, probably will not be official though.

Probably, it is cheaper than Android because HP is offering patent protection.

Wow. Does this mean we could maybe possibly get a webOS dual boot on the EVO 4G? Would it be able to use the 4G radio?

That's what i'm hoping for. Have a OG Evo4G and would love to have WebOS on it. Gotta remember this, as it is now WebOS is still a beta at best OS. There are still many issues that need to be worked out so that it can shine in the face of IOS and Android.

Now that it's open sourced, webosinternals can have at it and fix many of those issues. Given time and XDA. I can see this being first ported to android phones and tabs for the adventurous among us. Once most of the issues are addressed you can have HP take another shot with OEM's and get new product out.

As of right now it's not ready yet.

This is going to open up A LOT of possibilities. Cant wait to see what developers do with this. webOS has a lot of good developers that can take advantage of this.

So can apple or google now use things like cards and swipe to close on their OS? Or does all that stuff remain only on webos?

^what he said

well blacberry pb did before opensource webos so I would say yeah

I can not wait for someone to get webOS 3.x up and running on galaxy nexus style hardware. That would really be something.

Good question. Does this free Matias Duarte to take Android even closer to webOS? Small steps to-date but possibly no barrier to a big one tomorrow?

Maybe Android and webOS will become one!

The extremity of this entire business case continues it's strange romp through the modern consumer tech landscape.

Reminds me of the Architect's line from Matrix III: "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept."

I think that's actually from the second one.

They should have done this from the start.They need apps and phones fast now

Did I miss the detail of WHEN this will happen?

My head hurts...

So this is where Palm went.
Sounds like an end to a drama. Which it is.

I have always thought that PALM made a big mistake by selling to HP. HP dumped PALM after many years of great success with their products. Wrong decision from PALM, and even worse product handling by HP. Now we suffer the terrible decisions made when one wants money instead of helping the community. Apple (I dont like Apple products but I do respect them) had some tough times before reinventing. Palm could have done the same, but chose to sell itself. Horrible. Now that HP destroyed one the best pioneer companies (PALM) in handhelds, and almost destroyed the best product ever made in the mobile/handheld industry (WEBOS) I have the next intriguing question, like many of you might have also: If no hardware is coming from HP for WEBOS, now unleashing the software to the OPEN SOURCE community instead of selling (somewhat like Android and Google), are we expecting to see other device manufacturers setting up their new devices with WEBOS? Frankly, I love my Pre, but there will come a time when I need a new device with better hardware. Will it be available to install the fresh new WEBOS that the community upgraded? I really dont want to live my life with the best OS software but using a prehistoric device.

Maybe, and Yes.

So, will my Veer get an update (to fix various bugs)? [I really don't get open source.] Who would work on that? And why would they?

Will we now see things like: "available for iOS, Android, Windows Mobile (or whatever it's called), Blackberry, and webOS. I'm so tired of seeing that list with webOS left out.

It's been said, but here is is again - the Veer is just great (form factor) - just update the OS a bit.

"Will we now see things like: "available for iOS, Android, Windows Mobile (or whatever it's called), Blackberry, and webOS."

About as many times as you saw that for Meego.

It should eventually and it will be worked on by HP and/or community developers. I'm not certain HP's motivation, that is what the company stands to get i.e. how they make money, the community does it because they love webOS.

Depends on how big webOS gets.

This news just makes me glad that I jumped on the Android train, my Moto Razr is lightyears ahead of the Pre family in terms of hardware. Still love WebOS and if two years down the line we have great phones running with it, I will gladly switch back but for now this is just anothe "wait and see" & "...in the coming months"

Smells like a MeeGo 2 to me.

Few peoples knows Meego...

Best Regards... B)

Seriously, how many carrier branded meego handsets has Sprint Verizon and AT&T sold compared to WebOS? (Zero I think.) WebOS has an ecosystem/userbase established over 3 years. Even users that left WebOS, want to come back if there are new offerings to come back to. Meego is a mirage...

It would have been kinder to just take it out back and shoot it. Now this paraplegic OS with no proper nurse to attend it is propped up on a chair that crazy fans call a throne as they dance around and shout, "Long live webOS!"

LOL. You have a way with words, my friend.

I guess no one want to buy it.. it's one of the few options left on the table. but better open source than leaving it just die like Access's mobile OS. It would be very interested to see if any hardware company would pick it up.

HP had the talent from IPAQ and Palm, both teams are the best in business and still can't make it work. It just made me sad.

I think this is a BRILLIANT move by HP!

WebOS is a truly great OS, the only thing it's missing is a userbase, which means it also lacks apps etc. This it the best possible way to create that userbase, now that all major manufactors (incl. the ones who already showed insterest in WebOS) will be able to choose this at no extra cost compared to Android. Amazing opportunity this is for WebOS!

Only thing that worries me a bit is that this business-model, doing open source software, seems to be quite new to HP... and i would have liked to hear about more plans for HP hardware as well. I really want you, Pre 4! :D

Good decision by HP. I think its good for the community. But im afraid it will end up like MeeGo and Tizen. Great OS that no one wants to use.

Much as I would like to see this as a positive, I agree that it seems unlikely for any of the top hardware manufacturers to release a webOS device. Still, it's enough for me to feel more confident about dropping $ on a Pre 2 to franken my Sprint Pre minus.

That said, I'd be thrilled to see someone capable take this and run with it.

WOW.

Of all the speculative ideas that were thrown around as to what HP would do with webOS, this was the one I put the least credence in, and now it has happened.

On the downside, webOS has lost it's backing in a sense. No more deep pockets to pay for marketing and promotions, and centralized, focused R&D.

On the plus side, HP will still provide some level of support and governance to prevent fragmentation, and I assume maintain the servers and the market, so that's good.

What's even more interesting is that all you true believers who have been praying for more webOS devices and salivating over the TouchPad Go prototypes and going to get your wish.

CHINESE MANUFACTURERS ARE GOING TO BE ALL OVER THIS LIKE WHITE ON RICE.

You are going to get tablets, handsets, media players and all things in between from tons of Chinese companies who will be looking to differentiate their offerings from the run on the mill vanilla Android that they have all been putting out. Most of them will suck, but there is a possibility we might see some decent stuff as well.

This should also be great for developers, as price point alone will guarantee good sales numbers for those devices, and itll make sense to put resources into creating webOS Apps again.

"Most of them will suck...."

No, all of them will. Or rather....there will be exactly the same number of great WebOS hardware products made as there are generic AOSP Android products made across the world right now.

As far as I can tell, that number is ZERO.

I do agree that cheap Chinese manufacturers will slap it on at some point. Probably with a KIRF skin to make the main screen look like Android or iOS, tho...

That's the rub, isn't it? When Palm and HP, with complete end-to-end control of the hardware and software, couldn't make a compelling WebOS product, how on earth does anyone expect Chinese manufacturers to make something that people outside of this site would want to buy?

And of course, developers and entities like Netflix would be just chuffed to throw their hard work and valuable content onto an easily hackable, unaccountable platform that could rob them blind and has no current hardware to speak of.

The comparisons to Android miss two obvious facts: 1. webOS, short of a few minor bugs, is far more refined than Android was when it was first released to the open-source community. 2. Despite its warts and pimples, Android is the number one OS on the market. I think there's room in the mobile OS space for another open-source OS, especially a high quality one like webOS.

webOS 2.X, as an open-source OS is light years ahead of Android on the day Android was inaugurated. Device manufacturers now have at their disposal a well refined OS just waiting for a device or devices to claim it, so to speak. And it won't cost any of them one thin dime.

This is great news for webOS fans! The most elegant OS for mobile devices gets a new lease on life. There is a Santa Claus afterall!

Gah....Yes, there is an open source Android. NO, it is NOT the number one OS on the market. AOSP Android is junk that no one but cheap companies bother with and they put it on cheap hardware. The Nexus devices are NOT AOSP Android. The Droid series is not AOSP Android. The Galaxy Tab and S/SII series are not. Neither are the Evo devices and so on......

People keep misunderstanding this. The most successful Android devices are the ones that strayed FURTHEST from AOSP Android. THOSE are the ones that drove the platform adoption and got carrier pushes.

And most importanly, they were behind a platform that a company (Google) was pumping billions and billions into. This is NOT the same. HP will provide limited support, but has no ecosystem. There is no HP maps. No HP Goggles. No HP movies. No HP Mail.

If manufacturers were just dying for this OS, they would have PURCHASED IT, so they could control it. Now, they would reap no benefits and no app revenue, so they have even LESS incentive to make it a priority.

Android vs. AOSP: I think you're splitting hairs.

I should have made it clear that Android is the number one OS in the U.S. market.

Your point about no maps, no mail, no movies, etc., is not an obstacle. webOS has something called Synergy. What is the iOS email platform? Okay, they have iTunes. There are quite a few retail giants who could leverage the potential of a great mobile OS such as webOS as a new vehicle for product distribution. Amazon (with its rather extensive movie and music library) comes to mind. There are others as well.

Great news! Now where can I sign up to donate to the open source webOS cause? BTW, I called this in my Haiku entry:

webOS' future:
open source, oh, open source,
open source or bust

This is the best possible news ever. Anyone who does not think so does not understand how these things work. This will mean tons of users, multiple manufacturers, multiple form factors, and tons of apps.

The only way I can see this as a negative is if you were in love with hp hardware or if you care about tech bloggers harping on the fragmentation which is bound to happen with this scenario.

I for one am just about to go outside and dance in the streets!

"This is the best possible news ever. Anyone who does not think so does not understand how these things work. This will mean tons of users, multiple manufacturers, multiple form factors, and tons of apps."

Because that happened with other mobile open-source OSes such as.......?????

I'm waiting for an official statement from webOS-Internals as to what this means to them. Can we all just agree that they have become the de facto governing body for the direction of the now open-source webOS?

(...kinda makes sense that webOS would go open-source since its underpinnings are Linux anyway...)

So.....how does porting to an Android phone work without the gesture area...?

And would the larger screen cause problems?

Part of the screen would be sacrificed to simulate a gesture area, and apps would not run fullscreen (or be rather blocky-looking) on qHD and higher devices (pretty much every Android device going forward). They probably wouldn't take advantage of dual-core hardware. A homebrew onscreen keyboard would have to happen and be well-integrated with the open source build. Getting the 4G radios to work would be a challenge and would probably not happen on every device.

All of the guys who supposedly "hate" slab phones and horizontal sliders would look kinda silly.

But...it would work. Mostly.

Thanks. Hopefully some manufacturers pick it up...

So, HP saves face by leaving webOS in our hands so that we can only blame ourselves when it dies?

If no hardware company jump it in 6 months or so, it would be a dead OS. If HP is serious, it should bring out unlock pre3 just to keep some hardware present. Maybe sell a few more to the carriers they had not completely pissed off. All engineering work is done and production are set, how much is to loose?

I am wondering why Sony and Dell not making any noise. These two big players in PDA era are so quiet comparing the like of samsung, htc...

If no hardware comes out in 6 months, people here will just say that companies are working behind the scenes on some "superproduct" to bring it back.

It will never die. Which is fine by me. This site is my favorite entertainment destination on the Web, by far.

I agee. Webos will never die

is this just another way to string us along or shut us up I don't know what to make of it yet all I know this isn't what palm wanted when they thought HP would save them from drowning palm created an os and hardware were now at an disadvantage because webOS is seen as a failure to Samsung htc and the rest I don't think they will waste time making us hardware and google will probably make them so much more money they won't want 2 even consider it

I called it yesterday... I knew this was the only way it could survive.

To people thinking cool new hardware from other manufacturers will happen now that it's OpenSource: Highly unlikely. Forget about it.

But the not too bad part of it is that there wouldn't have been any new hardware anyway.

So, all in all, it's AWESOME for the already owners of webos devices. It means support will never end! It may mean that many long lasting bugs will be worked on!
And it's a great great news for the opensource world, we will learn so many things and will be able to reuse so much great tech like the enyo framework!

It's the best thing that could happen after the awful Leo's announcement. Internals will do wonder!

Guys, HP didn't support WebOS enough when they were trying to sell it... i.e. I still haven't received updates they were promising this time last year.

What makes you think they'd be better at supporting this when they don't have any experience dealing with open source?

When I bought Palm I thought I was buying into a cloud ecosystem. HP hasn't brought any of the improvements I thought they would given Palm's early indications. I can't see HP doing any better with that if this is open-sourced.

did anyone remember Duke Nukem

and years of waiting :-)

let there be time.......

just a joke

but i hope that WebOs will live on...

on my 2xPre- , 2x Pre 2; 2x Pre 3, and last 1x Veer

Iam really happy that webos did not meet same fate as BeOs.I hope phone bsp's will also be open sourced.

HP has not reveal any webOS device plan, but that doesn't bother me at all. Chances is we will be able to run webOS on iPad and other Android devices soon. WebOS may well be able to start a new model that tablet HW and OS could be chosen separately.

Sweet... Faith has been restored... There is a light at the end of the tunnel... Finally time to exhale.

webOS vs. Tizen?