HP Pre3 to land in jolly 'ole England by the end of August; US launch still hazy 186
Like you, we’ve been wondering for some time when the next flagship webOS device – the HP Pre3 – would launch. We’ve been teased for months now with incorrect pricing and ship dates for the smartphone from retailers all over Europe, but now we’re getting it from HP. According to ZDNet UK, HP General Manager Personal Systems Group UK Paul Hunter confirmed to them that the Pre3 in the UK will be “coming this month.”
When exactly this month? We aren’t sure – we’ve got 29 choices for which date, though we think we can rule out tomorrow. Regardless, that still falls within HP’s “summer” release time frame. We also didn’t get carrier or pricing details from Mr. Hunter, but surely the cost will be something reasonable given that the Pre3 is rapidly encroaching upon “old” status before it’s ever seen the light of day.
Also missing: a launch date and pricing for anywhere else in the world. That’d be nice too, but we’ll take what we can get.
Source: ZDNet UK; Thanks to mmeade for the tip!
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Doesn't he mean September 1?
I'm happy to wait. Like the rest of you I'm scratching my head about all the vaugeness around this launch, but when it comes I'm picking up my Pre3 on AT&T and saying goodbye to you-know-who (Sprint).
I have to believe that launches will go more smoothly in the future, afterall, HP has launched what, thousands, or maybe millions of products to date. I hope it's the last of the switchover issues from Palm.
I am doing the same I don't know how much longer I can wait....
Stop trying to kid us. You will wait forever.
Yeah, be a wait hater. Lets hope HP wont forget Pre3 in 2012
By the way, I've taken to looking at the names on each post before reading them. The ones I am tired of or bored by I'm simply just ignoring in an effort to keep my blood pressure down- this is about a mobile os afterall, not really all that important in the larger scheme of things.
I'm not replying to the guys who annoy me and I bet they are glad of that too!
Really, we are all one community, and it's assinine of me to constantly try to inflict my point of view (however much I think it's better than yours ;-) ) onto everyone else.
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Very smart perspective there. Hope others learn from it. Thanks.
DOA PEOPLE!
That 5mp camera is going to really draw the "moms".
All those apps are going to draw the dad's.
This phone should never have been announced in January 2011 and released August 2011 maybe...
I already "drawered" my Pre Plus for my old Treo Pro until my contract runs out, because it broke for the fifth time.
Sorry HP you screwed the pooch and you screwed me.
BYE BYE!!!
i am so right beside you. What a freaking riotous joke these guys have played. I am laughing all the way to the Android platform. I have been sucked back in so many times. Palm/HP aren't the as$holes. I am the as$hole for continuing to believe. Meh. Ciao
It's the Pre 2 all over again, it seems. Pity.
whaaaaaa whaaaaaa whine whine
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
:D, dude, we disagree on a lot of things. but props for the Princess Bride quote. it definitely gave me a chuckle.
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inconceivable! Funniest part is when the Sicilian switches the glasses after the massive monologue of logic as if he's pulling a fast one.
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It's still in the "coming months". Besides, if it does not come to Sprint it doesn't really matter, at least for me.
Whatever, HP is the biggest joke around, I just can't take it any more, I've moved on. They really need to get their act together, and decide if they want to be in the mobile business. If they do, then they need to realize that this type of delay, and vagueness will not work, and is just costing them money. The pre3 is already outdated, it's been 6 MONTHS since they announced it!!! They should be half way to a pre4 by now, not still trying to figure out how to release the pre3, simply pathetic!
Edit: wow cant believe all the hate mail and thumbs downs. Maybe I should have said, "I'm moving on" and sending back my touchpad. I'm sure I've been a palm fan longer than most of you guys on this board, aren't you frustrated too? It's the best mobile platform out there and they are treating it so poorly, and killing it.
I mean really, no pptp vpn, no rdp, no vnc (non-homebrew) no slingbox, no netflix, no document editing, no hdmi out etc. These should be the basics, I can live without all the apple and android **** apps, but I gotta have the basics. I can't even recommend this to my business partners over the ipad because it's lacking so many key features.
Some of you people need to grow up, and admit fault in the products we all love, or else you're no better than apple fanboys.
you've moved on? so what are you still doing here? don't you know that's illegal to stalk your ex-girlfriend?
The definition of moved on must have changed recently.
I just quit smoking. *lights cigarette*
Moved on from owning a device on the platform. That's what he means. He's free to weigh in here as much as he likes.
The day you guys demand Jay/Ilovedessert GTFO because he's never purchased a WebOS device or app is th....forget about it. That day will never come, and your double standards will remain laughable.
When I sold my HTC Hero, I stopped reading forums about rooting Android devices and stopped posting at androidcentral. When I sold our iPad1 to buy a TouchPad, I stopped reading tipb.com. You find my opinions laughable. I find the participation of those that have 'moved on' (and also those that haven't/won't buy a webOS device) kind of funny.
REPOST: One of the reasons you keep seeing "SOME" of the same names of consistent "trollers/haters" here is because they have been banned from the forums. Criticism is one thing; but clearly some of these posters here have more than just WebOS issues!!! It's more of an obsession to drive the narrative in a negative direction. The forums are much better now... in the recent past, EVERY post/topic was invaded/hijacked by some of these same banned posters with their "WebOS is doomed, and Apple/Android is this/that..." It's actually quite comedic to see some of these banned posters hanging by a thread here... as if being weaned from an addictive drug.
Interestingly, despite their predictions, WebOS is still here... go figure!!! And I would bet it will still be here for years to come....
Funny...the "trolls" wanna talk about HP and WebOS. You guys wanna talk about people you don't like.
Who's obsessed again?
I don't dislike you!! I don't even know you!! It does seem odd that once one is banned that they would scramble to find whatever mechanism available to continue their relentless diatribes against a particular type of technology/program. Interesting lesson in human behavior!!! Clearly the forums found your communications, and others, consistently counterproductive to the goals of the site - thus, the ban.
No, just some juvenile recent mods. I was a longtime member well before WebOS and will remain one for as long as I see fit. I much prefer it out here, even though I still have an active forum account under another name.
You seem kinda worked up, tho. Everything ok?
Fine here... I have a life outside these forums!!!
Fine!!!!!
I feel like I'm having a conversation with Lil' Jon. Would explain a lot.
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Ahh, Mikah. You're a funny guy talking about others being "worked up". You seem to be the quintessential example of one being worked up. Your posts make me laugh.. in a disturbing "what is wrong with this guy" kind of way.
Happy you follow me everywhere, read all my posts, and care what I think.
I can't say the same for myself about you. Sorry.... :-(
Hard to avoid you, Mikah. You seem to rear that ugly head every time someone posts something positive about webOS. You need a cape or something.
I'm all about free speech, and the forums have taken a nasty turn in my opinion. Why some can't see that social discourse creates change, often times for the better is beyond me. mikah912 is obviously a WebOS fan, but he also chooses to point out where it can benefit from change.
If you stay completely silent and ignore the problems, are you expecting HP to fix everything? Do child safety devices fix or recall there products without watchdog groups?
If you can't take social discourse, ignore the post, or make a comment if you see fit. It's freedom... until it becomes banned like the forums.
do you frequent the forums much? there's a bunch of threads there for how to make things better, enhancement requests, etc. threads about people having problems with certain features and other people helping out. a bunch of threads with balanced reviews of the products--what's good about them and, to your point, also what's bad about them. that's social discourse. and those users don't get banned.
but if everything that comes out of your keyboard is how this webOS device sucks, that webOS device sucks, and how HP will fail, and how this webOS device is doomed and that other company's device will kick butt before either devices even come out...especially on a "fan" site...well, that's not social discourse, that's not freedom of speech. that's yelling fire in the crowded theater...the sole purpose of which is to get the people all riled up.
You must be talking about a different forum.
Yeah, not the cross-platform forums, the basement from where people like mikah912 emerge.
Speak for yourself, but I personally dislike the guy and having to see his rants and ramblings all over the comments on 80% of Precentral stories. There's no way to ignore him. If you try to call him out on it, he rambles some more about "trolls" and "oh what am I supposed to own a webOS device to post?"
Bull**** mikah912. Just plain bull****.
The only reason he hangs around here is because people actually put up with it. Bet he doesn't hang around elsewhere because they don't tolerate him.
So much anger. Anyway, can we get back to talking about HP and WebOS now?
.. except your definition of "talking about HP and webOS" defers slightly from the normal human being. I wonder what kind of reaction I would get if I plopped myself down into an Apple forum and started spouting off how everyone there who likes Apple products are essentially morons (in so many words, of course). I probably wouldn't be surprised at the fall-out. You, however, either a) get off on this or b) are genuinely taken back by the harsh reaction to your umm, rants. Either way dude, they have professionals that help with stuff like this.
you don't mean a webOS doctor, right?
What professionals help with you making things up? When have I said anything about people here being morons for liking WebOS? In fact, when have I said anything about people liking WebOS? My first "rant" in this thread was less than ten words rather dispassionately noting the resemblance of the Pre 2 launch and the Pre 3 non-launch thus far. It's not even making a strawman argument....you're literally imagining things.
This thread is about the elusive release of the Pre 3, and I am commenting on that. You guys want to keep derailing it with whatever it is you're talking about. I'm kinda just skimming your posts at this point....
OMG, you're following all my posts like Greggo and responding with gibberish. Poor lads.
The cheerleaders seem restless. I see they're still resorting to thread derailing and personal attacks. Some things never change. Definitely mod material.
You keep giving the same defense, damnit! It's getting old, mikah912. It's getting old!
rsanchez1, give it a rest.
You guys need to stop personally attacking someone because they have a different opinion.
"It's the Pre 2 all over again, it seems. Pity." was a completely valid comment. I would like to see all you eyes closed fan boys be banned from comments for personally attacking and harrassing an individual.
Quickly deteriorated from there, with the same old from mikah912.
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I have been on this OS from it's inception and am disappointed to **** and back. We've been asked to have patience for years now. If everyone else here can purchase new devices at will; bully for you. Some of us can't and were waiting for support of existing devices and were apologized to and promised to make it right.. etc. And now we wish to undermine the jerk-offs that couldn't manage only slightly better business practices with the facts and frustration that has gone with the hardware.. we loved WebOS and had faith. It turned to **** So here we are. Get over yourself. We wish to injure the brand, perhaps in an effort to prevent them doing to newer costumers that which was done to us. Maybe they'll get their act together. And the product will triumph in the end. I won't like this. Promise promise promise fail. Promise promise promise fail.
No, I find the double standard laughable. Any amount of argument, harassing members, trolling, and spouting off without owning a device is acceptable and even encouraged....as long as it's done "for" WebOS or to cheerlead this platform. It's blatant hypocrisy, and it's quite amusing.
On the other hand, this idea that you should only post on forums where you own the device is just plain stupid. People move between platforms all of the times these days, and it only adds to the value of their perspective. They may even return someday, but it's unlikely when they are getting harassed in hopes of them leaving. But I don't expect you lot to recognize anything beyond your own silly myopia. It does please me to know you're unable to deal with divergent opinions though. That's gotta suck....
You know what, it does suck. I hate being so close-minded and near-sighted. I think I lash out at all of these people because of my unhappiness with a lot of my own character flaws.
i bet that if i go through the many article comments in this website, that the majority of the heavily indented arguments (no, these are not "discussions") involve either you or the late glenn beck.
it reminds me of that guy that's gets into several car accidents a month and it's never his fault.
you must really like to argue.
Mikah finds it odd that a fan website about webOS has people in it that actually dislike it when someone speaks negatively about the very products that it supports for its fans. Reason and logic are two qualities that are lost on him, I'm afraid.
i have a couple of theories:
1) he's a disgruntled HP employee....got fired for ranting out in various forums instead of doing his job :)
2) that he used to have these "discussions" with his friends; but now they don't talk to him anymore so he just hangs around here.
speaking of theory #1, i better get back to work before i get fired myself. next thing you know i'm hanging around crackberry.com and giving those people **** ..and no one wants that! :)
I have a theory that people don't really want to discuss webOS in these forums. It's about cheering blindly. Grab your pom poms. He must be an iphan since no one who uses webOS could possibly not like everything about it and HP.
Uh-oh, there's that same guy again. How dare he? Let's get him.
no one said he has to like EVERYTHING about webOS. but can you really tell me one thing he DOES like about it? read thru his posts before you answer that question.
I applauded the Facebook line contest, Advanced Browser and the Leno/Fallon spots.
You're welcome to find the front page articles for each and check for yourself. Made countless other pro-Palm/HP posts in the forums before the inmates started running the asylum.
I bought a Pixi for my wife way after I'd pretty much given up on WebOS for myself because I knew it was the best device for her needs. She still likes it okay, for the most part. Don't try to dissuade her otherwise.
If you want to gnash your teeth over a cartoon "eeeevil" version of myself that you have imagined that snatches ice cream cones away from kids, kicks puppies, and lives to slander WebOS, have at it. You guys apparently need something to do.
"You guys apparently need something to do."
Says the guy who rants half the time, defends himself from people calling him out the other half of the time...
No offense dude, but i've seen plenty of complaints from you about Precentral, HP, etc. It's ok for you to rant but not others?
I have skin in the game. What does mikah912 have?
Until you know what it is like to deal with HP personally as a developer, especially when you have several critical problems blocking your app, please keep your opinions to yourself.
Again, rsanchez1. Give. It. A. Rest.
"You guys apparently need something to do."
Oh Lord Mikah. I can't even begin to come up with something witty to say about that. It's just too obvious of a pot/kettle comment.
Watch out dude, you might get slammed by morrison0880.
It's not about liking and disliking. It's about having to read his rants all the time. Actually, reading his rants half the time, then reading him defending himself against being called a "troll" and not owning a webOS device the other half.
He owns a Pixi. Not a great webOS device mind you, but its one nevertheless. Just like i still have my Pre minus sitting on the touchstone being a great clock/email reader.
Keep my name out of your mouth!
+1
Also, I think the late Great Mitch Hedberg put it best by saying "I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
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So? Maybe he's a tech enthusiast. I still follow blogs when I don't have a particular device anymore.
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Of course he can weigh in as much as he wants.
And of course others can point out that this is not really having "moved on".
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LMAO at you and greggo!
I bailed. After sticking with this family since Handspring Visor days, I just couldn't wait another year for the pre3. I got a NexusS 4G, and while I miss the physical keyboard intensely, and it's crazy-less efficient for multitasking (9 steps - to - 2) vs. webOS for something like switching to and fro between a webpage and a draft email...
at least i have an actual, fast, very capable phone physically working in my hand.
Maybe IF pre4 makes it, my contract on Sprint will be up by then. sigh.
I'm still nostalgic and optimistic - which is why i keep checking in here to see when (if) the new version of the world's best phone for mobile doers will show up.
Awesome News! I am just looking forward to the release of the HP Pre3 smartphone in the U.S. very soon. Hopefully, the pricing will be reasonable for both Pre3 versions. Perhaps $149-$169 for the 8GB version, and $179-$199 for the 16GB version. Thanks HP.
Update: There is a possibility the 8GB could sell for $99 and the 16GB $149. Especially when you consider the monster devices out there i.e., Samsung Galaxy IIs, HTC EVO 3D, Motorola Photon, Bionic, etc. are easily selling at $199.
I'm with you. Hopefully with all the other phones that have bigger screens, dual core processors, 3d, or other areas with more impressive specs, the Pre 3 will be priced low. I don't think $200 on contract would be justified.
It may not be justified, but it will be what they ask for.
Then it would pay to wait it out a month while they find they need to drop the price.
Yeah, I'll definitely be waiting a month or two before purchasing one to try to catch the best deal.
I don't think the specs make it DOA. It's just that the two carriers who are rumored to be launching it in the US already carry a medium (Pre 2) and a small (Veer) version of this handset that is pretty much identical except in scale and screen resolution.
Same app catalog. Same design. Same fate.
Both devices are non-sellers. Don't see how this will be any different. HP should be dropping rumors and demos on the next generation of WebOS devices like Microsoft is doing with Mango.
Well, they do have a habit of leaking out pics of future devices just as their new device hits the shelves. I'm expecting to see an image of a new webOS slab phone the week before the Pre 3 actually launches in the US.
Some of this is due to HP's traditional way of churning out successive hardware iterations so that you often see two similar printers, or whatever, on the retail shelf. One newer than the other with the older one having a $50 rebate.
They are already doing it with the TP 4G. They bumped up the processor a month or two after their initial launch of the TP "just because they could."
I think that's why they don't seem to treat their launches as real events where the entire company or at least a division gets geared up for a specific delivery date right down to the retail level.
That's a good point. I wonder if HP ever intends to do a "hard launch" the way other, way more successful smartphone companies are doing.
More importantly, I wonder if they care to. Probably not a big priority.
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I agree that it is
Ughhhh..... Well, against better judgement I took the plunge and ordered the TouchPad utilizing all the discounts. Here's hoping as a Sprint Pre- customer that the Pre3 or something will land on Sprint so I can fully utilize this tablet. I am just so confused and puzzled by this whole situation. Other companies....phones get announced with a solid date and carrier info. The Pre3?....it's like the greatest mystery besides the existence of Bigfoot. After reading all the articles on this site and webOSroundup, I don't know who to **** to anymore....Sprint or HP? I wish Precentral and webOSroundup would team up and use the full force of their combined websites to get some answers from somebody. Remember the demise of Pontiac and Saturn? At least GM was upfront about it..Knowing FORD and CHRYSLER was there to pounce on the fresh meat, they were very quick to tell you that that they had wonderful Chevy and Buick models that would fit the bill quite nicely. HP, by their lack of anything has basically told us, "FU loyal webOS adopters....Go get an Android and have a nice life"
Me sitting here bitching about a phone?....Maybe I should get a life!! LOL
What will be hilarious is. With the intro done in the UK. We will have reviews before the US launch. If this is as underwhelming as it seems to be. It might just be killed before it comes to the US.
Love the list -- it's so true.
You left out one very important cliché that probably gets repeated 'round these parts more than any other -- "in the coming months"
You know what this says to me? HP just can't find a carrier willing to carry the Pre3. We've only been hearing about Sprint refusing to carry the Pre3, but what about AT&T and VZW? If either of them were on board, we would have a definite release date for the Pre3 in the US along with the UK release date. Perhaps HP ruined a lot more than webOS's perception with the launch of the Veer.
You have NO idea what you are talking about, the Veer has been a big hit! The black Veer is still in the top 50 on Amazon phones (48) and the white veer is still in the top 100 (90).
Look at Sprint, they just reported losing 100,000 subscribers, and do you know why??? No Veer on Sprint!
Come on Webosies, lets get these trolls out of here!
They're losses were all from the NEXTEL-side not Sprint...Sprint actually gained 275K post paid subs and their Churn is down vs last Quarter..
So not carrying any new WebOS device has not had any effect on Sprint numbers.
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
This is what happens when you go for commodity instead of cutting edge. The TP, Veer, Pre2-3 are all lackluster devices. There is nothing here to say "Wake UP and get this." Until they get that and do the OS right. They will continue to fail.
Not just that. Gotta scrap those (no pun intended) pre-existing designs and start fresh.
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I don't get it guys...
I own both a Veer and a TouchPad, and they are anything but "lackluster." Have you actually extensively used/owned either one of these devices you're so knowledgable about?
They are lackluster in that they are not inspiring customers to pick them up and use them. They are generic. The Touchpad looks like an iPhone 3GS. The Veer just like a Pre. Both are considered fairly ancient designs in late 2011.
That's right, the iphone has changed it's design with every release. I forgot about all that.
There's one glaring difference. IPhone sells no matter what. Pre not so much.
The Apple "i" has been ingrained into our daily lives for years now. This makes it more difficult for other device manufacturers to compete within the same mobile space. When you consider iPads, iMacs, iPods, iTunes, iPhones,heck even the proverbial iCloud...yep, we all get it!
I understand that, but stating it's the form factor that needs to be abandoned is factually incorrect, that was my point.
The form factor is part of the Pre branding. A brand that seems to see weaker and weaker sales with each new generation. Love the FF or hate it, it's not working.
When Pre3 was unveiled at "Think Beyond", it initially brought groans. Six months later, the unit so proudly displayed by the now displaced Rubi, is probably even less inspiring.
Its exactly the phone I asked for. I'd have bought it in the blink of an eye on VZ or Sprint...a year ago. Now, it's milk a couple of days beyond the expiration date. Might taste great when you get home, but the day after...perhaps not so good.
While I agree on Pre line being a failure TODAY, in the long run & broader perspective (nett gain) - but it certainly is not the fault of the form factor - rather the lamentable build quality, and tons of other issues that plagued both hard & software, and also terrible marketing & decision making over last two years.
As OldSkoolVWLover rightly pointed out, form factor itself was VERY successful - until... Well you guys have mostly pointed the issues out, that really killed it - namely, lack of build quality, software incompleteness (and lack of quality...), returns (because of lack of quality...), and bad word of mouth (someone did say "don't buy it, it lacks quality, it does that funny Oreo thing and screens are cracking on their own"???)
I think that terrible build quality, married with them being apparently incapable of/unwilling to release high-end hardware, is something that misfired - and not the form factor itself.
While I also agree, that for webOS' sake they SHOULD (and loooong ago, well before and instead of the unbelievably pointless Veer) have released 4(+) inch, high-end slab phone (for the reason being, they have the people's and media attention, and would show them (HP) reading market and being connected with reality, INSTEAD of Rubinstein's wishful thinking). That would put THE PLATFORM back into meaningful territory (well, ideally - half a year ago...), and then people would/could honestly chose whatever form factor they wish, having trust that platform will not vanish after next shareholders meeting - and I am sure that for professionals, slightly bigger vertical slider/ slightly bigger QWERTY, with very good screen resolution/decent size (as Pre 3), and VERY decent processor - it would sell as crazy. If priced & marketed right (and it is a big IF, for what we've seen from HP to date). Oh, and did I mention killer PIM software suite, syncing back & forth with your Outlooks out there?
I do not really think that Pre's vertical slider form factor is anything to be blamed here, not at all... That it was falling apart just from looking at it - oh YES.
Agree. There's a place for that form factor. It's just not as the flagship phone. It would thrive better in the shadows while a slab gets the limelight.
probably true - I also think that Consumers tend to chose slabs (let's face it, there's more of a cool factor in them, than really hard, practical reasons), while Pros would appreciate physical keyboard AND large enough and dense enough screen resolution (NOT the Pre -/+/2 one, it is neither big enough nor it has enough resolution). Plus a processor snappy enough to move things around smoothly. Plus reasonable price to boot, and NOT the top-end one.
It's called a successful product line. I understand if you're unfamiliar with the concept.
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I understand that, but stating it's the form factor that needs to be abandoned is factually incorrect, that was my point.
Wouldn't you start there if four variants on said form factor across countless carriers have all failed?
Well the original Pre was FAR from a failure, you do remember that right?
I am not saying it wasn't without it's issues, but being the best selling phone ever on a top 3 US carrier is a pretty big deal and surely cannot be labeled a failure. There is absolutely nothing that can be labeled a failure about the form factor.
The (at the time) sales record was what it was, but if you want to know how much it NETTED - not gross, but profit after churn, returns, service costs, and the like - Sprint, let's look at the follow up handsets they eagerly solicited from Palm like the....
...um........yeah.
No carrier - especially a third place one facing oblivion once AT&T consumes T-Mobile - would turn away the followups (and there have been several) to a SUCCESSFUL device.
It has failed everywhere. Moreover, the horizontal slider aint been doing too hot elsewhere either. Dell venue Pro, Blackberry Torch.....neither a hit. Heck...even the horizontal QWERTYs like Blackberry Bold and Droid Pro are having problems moving significant units.
The look, name, feel, and form factor all should be significantly altered in the next handset.
It has changed. It went from half plastic, to all shiny plastic with a signal, to all shiny glass and no signal :)
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mikah912 - the iPhone UI design is basically 4 years old and consumers have no problem with that. One of the great things about the Pre is its UI ( very much appluaded and appreciated as unique, different - a joy to use - like nothing else etc )
We could talk in detail about the cards metaphor and why its the only phone UI with "true" multitasking...
Its not the UI , its the marketing muscle which makes the product visible to consumers and on their radar. Once it is , and with a healthy App Store, they will love the UI.
I believe HP are the company which can enable this - they have the muscle and are 100% behind webOS.
There is nothing lackluster here, there is just product and consumer awareness needing to gather momentum and snowball.
"I believe HP are the company which can enable this - they have the muscle and are 100% behind webOS."
well, apart from BEING the company that _CAN_ enable this, they would rather need to start _DOING_ things, and fast.
And they have yet to _DO_, anything, to show they really _ARE_ 100% behind the webOS, apart from _repeating_ that mantra.
Apple is 100% behind iOS, and it shows, everywhere. Google is 100% behind Android, and it shows, everywhere. Microsoft is 100% behind WP7/8, and they are splashing hard cash on it, making flashy acquisitions, getting EVERYBODY on-board (carriers, developers, OEMs). HP is 100% behind webOS??? Realyy, is it? And who is aware of that, apart of a bunch of dying out fans on that site??
Very different 100%s from these different companies, apparently.
Yes and it's still lackluster.
The TouchPad only lacks luster because you're holding it wrong! Put the gloves back on!
If this is less than a month away, why not announce it. Wait they were so busy fixing TP that there is no one left to work on pre-3.
What worries me more is they are giving a month but not a single UK carrier. O2 have already ruled themselves out, no word from Vodafone which have been touting the BB 9900 for months - I think this is a HP store launch again, and will meet the same fate as the Pre 2. Why not announce that Orange or Voda or T-Mobile are on board if it's not happening?
It's got to be on Orange at the least. Otherwise why put up a support page for it.
Didnt see the Orange page - I hope that Voda pick it up. Orange are absolute balls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKQGA76IQJY&feature=player_embedded#at=13
Take note that once the Pre³ boots up, it is connected to Orange's network. This article is on webOSroundup.
http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/08/hp-pre3-unboxed-and-reviewed-in-fren...
Well, finally began...
Next step: just release to all world. Only this.
Best Regards... B)
If pricing is reasonable HP will satisfy a lot of people(they don't have the luxury or leverage to premium price it). Moving forward they should focus on making accurate announcements and sticking to them. Empty promises are not what you'd expect from a corporation this large. It's not in my nature, but I've had a chip on my shoulder for being lead on for so long. Palm takes some blame, but when HP got the go ahead they should've hit the ground running. 80% of the work was already done for them. Imagine the position they could have in the mobile market if they made better decisions. Think slab before the veer and pre3.
"If pricing is reasonable HP will satisfy a lot of people(they don't have the luxury or leverage to premium price it)."
The Pre 2 is AT MOST $49 and the Veer is AT MOST $99 (much less or free if you buy from a third party reseller).
How is that working out for them?
Actually, when the Pre 2 came out HP were selling it for £399 (about $600). That's why I didn't buy one then.
潅水のチル単純な心
He does a mean Ruby impersonation. That's how I imagine him at meetings.
Ruby: potato potato potato
Leo: Are you sure this little phone will sell?
Ruby: potato!
Leo: You're sure the Touchpad is ready to go too?
Ruby: POTATO!
Weeks later...
Leo: Rubinstein get your failure out of my face.
Ruby: potatoooo...
疑似知識
1. I for one am glad to see HP focusing on putting WebOS on their own smartphone hardware. The dumbest thing on the planet would be for HP to license WebOS to (frex) Nokia or a strictly hardware manufacturer. I mean, who in their right mind would by an HTC phone running WebOS? That would be like MacOS on an Intel processor!
2. I am also glad that HP has made clear that it's priority it to sell second rate tablets vs. third rate phones. I mean, when you have to choose between pouring resources into a global hardware launch with a new version of WebOS vs. delivering voice dialing to existing customers, it's a no-brainer, right? The next thing the whiners will want is WebOS 3 delivered OTA to the Pre2 owners.
3. Meanwhile, the integration of WebOS to HP printers proceeds apace. Can I print from my Pre? No? How about from my iPad? Yep. Hmmm.
4. Finally, it's a good thing that HP made the winning bid for Palm rather than Apple. If Apple had won, we'd have to wait for iOS 5 to get WebOS gestures and notifications on top drawer phone hardware -- and that could take months!
"Finally, it's a good thing that HP made the winning bid for Palm rather than Apple. If Apple had won, we'd have to wait for iOS 5 to get WebOS gestures and notifications on top drawer phone hardware -- and that could take months! "
They didn't have to. They got the people that made WebOS when they left Palm. Both Google and Apple are laughing up their collective sleeves. With the Fail that is HP.
Re: #1. I wouldn't say dumb, just premature. No companies will be interested in licensing webOS until it's market position is secured.
Re: #3. I can print just fine from my Pre- to my OfficeJet 8500. Any ePrint-enabled printer should work fine.
Good, it's nice to see somewhere other than the US getting devices first, I get so tired of that. My original Pre- is still going, but when you're on a 2year contract this'll hit just before it runs out.
Okay, so O2 aren't offering it in the UK, and I don't know any network that is. But that means I can switch to sim-only, cut my monthly bill by £10 a month, which allows me about £240 to splash out if I deem fit (assuming the same 2year period).
Remember, networks over here will offer the phone for FREE, but they'll get some (if not all) of their money for it through your monthly bill. Hence i'll be able to cut mine down a good bit without compromising.
Now I just want to get my hands on one and try it. Chances are though, tough to find on the high street, and bound to be £399+ too.
Since our favorite phone shares the name or nickname with the great runner Steve (Pre) Prefontaine, maybe HP should take notice of this "Marathon" runners approach to success.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Prefontaine
Prefontaine was an aggressive runner, insisting on going out hard and not relinquishing leads. He was quoted as saying, "No one will ever win a 5,000 meter by running an easy two miles. Not against me." He would later state, "I am going to work so that it's a pure guts race. In the end, if it is, I'm the only one that can win it".
So the adage of it's a Marathon might hold more weight if you take this mans approach.
One big difference - Steve Prefontaine was great at running. HP, thus far, isn't great at making smartphones. Other than that, it's a solid strategy.
HP has made it fairly easy for just about every competitor to nudge them out. Apple got a head start and continues to accelerate. Android got a slow start but easily overtook webOS. Windows Phone got an even later start but now has new phones on every carrier.
HP? Not really in the smartphone game in 2011. It sounds like they are going to have trouble even showing up with the Pre 3.
I agree with you about not making great phones, but that could change.
If HP put out the right kind of hardware, did it aggressively and in a timely manner, things could be looking much brighter. I want people that like physical keyboards to have that option, but HP needs a Slab if they are going to compete.
Sadly, we've been playing this "if" game for a couple of years.
Attention, HP: I just had to reboot my newly patched TouchPad because I experienced the "disappearing sound" problem again. (No system sounds, no music coming from the music player.) Keep in mind I have *never* plugged in a headset or paired this device with a BlueTooth audio device of any kind (just a BlueTooth keyboard).
Happy with all the fixes, but this was disappointing to say the least...
(Pardon the odd posting here; I know HP monitors the latest posts...)
No they don't.
If they did don't you think they would have made an announcement about the pre 3 carriers & pricing a long time ago to stop people from leaving webOS?
Here's a lesson. Rich companies don't care about you. They only want your money. People like you will continue to give them money despite broken lousy products. They have their money so they are happy.
I agree with you up to a point. If money is the only thing they "listen to", they'll do whatever it takes to keep it "talking". If they have any brains at all, they'll listen to our complaints to fend off more desertions...
I agree with you but it's not that simple. They need to actively maintain and support these products or they'll see higher than usual returns rates. Not only that, but the impact of negative word of mouth is an opportunity cost that HP can't take for granted.