HP's Windows 7 Slate caught on video 63
HP has clearly decided to go ahead and release plenty of the products they'd been developing before purchasing Palm. We've just seen that crazy Android Printer/Tablet combo and now their Windows 7-based Slate has hit YouTube. It looks to run decently fast and though the design of the product isn't exactly awe-inspiring, it's not like there's a ton of room for designed to play with in this form factor.
The Slate is rumored to be released this fall (or possibly even this October), though HP has made it very clear that the device is focused on Enterprise users, not general consumers. We'll see if that distinction holds up once HP and Palm get around to releasing their webOS tablet - what few rumors we have seem to indicate that HP is excited enough to be pushing hard on development for that product. Of course the only official word we have - from HP's quarterly financial call - still pegs release of the webOS tablet / PalmPad for 'early 2011.'
Video after the break!
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Nice I would love a Win 7 slate but will probably go with the WebOS one instead.
I'm not at all a Apple FanBoy but what a symbol to see that the guy shooting this review is doing it with an iphone4 !! (visible in the reflection of the tablet screen right after he has shown all sides buttons...)
There is a long road to run before Apple ends with its Jail-supremacy.
Come on HP people, move your ass and release a stunning stuff for USERS (we are all users, entreprise, home, ...)
when will computer makers finally realize that "enterprise" users and "general consumers" are the same people?
Sadly, only apple seems to get that.
People want to use the same phone at work and at home. people want the same computing experience at home and at work. that's why the iPad is selling so well in "the enterprise" even though apple has no idea how to sell/support a couple hundred thousand units to a single company (hint: the CEO isn't going to schedule time at the Expert Bar" when he has a question).
Please HP, stop trying to build different stuff for "consumers" and "enterprise" as if people have split personalities.
All enterprise users are also consumers, but not all consumers are enterprise users. Imagine if sony tried to launch "enterprise" editions of the walkman or playstation?
How about an "iPod-Enterprise Edition"?
Nonsense (no offense). RIM and Windows would be the perfect counterexamples. I would argue that the enterprise should come first in any successful, long-term strategy. It's why I see WP7 doing well in the long run, because MS has the business "cloud" locked up.
It's why Dell, who's computers are so bad that, of the four I've owned of them, two have literally exploded or caught on fire is still a major PC vendor: they sell to the enterprise.
Then people just go home and order what they use at work.
What they should do (and mostlikely will do eventually) is have a Dual Boot system.. WebOS and Windows 7.. So for fun ease of use you will have webos and for the times when you need a true computer with windows programs, then you will have it on the same device..
that would blow ipad out the market.. well it would atleast help HPalm ALOT!... so all the windows lovers will gain experience with WebOS and fall in love with it.. like everyone who knows how to use the OS does..
:)
That would be awesome. They should add that to this with a download or something later on. At least if they did that they could test and see if people would actually like the webOS on a tablet before doing a stand alone device.
the tech road is littered with failed attempts to make "dual boot" interesting.
the answer is something like the iPad with enterprise apps delivered through something like a Citrix VDI implementation. Not affiliated with them, I just think they have they right approach.
Well, you're going to want to run apps, too, right? Since Android is free why not port it to the tablet and TRI-boot the device. WebOS, Android, Windows 7. That way each time you turned the device on, you would have a 2 out of 3 chance you would have to reboot to do what you want.
no offense taken. but if RIM is the perfect enterprise device (which it was) that doesn't explain why Paris Hilton has one... lots of non-enterprise users want a blackberry because they need a good email tool.
and those of us that had personal blackberry devices just added our corporate email account to them. those with corporate devices just add their personal email to them.
See? the same people using the same device for both. most people want to carry fewer devices that better integrate into their lives at work and at home.
apple didn't get in to the enterprise buy selling to big companies, they got in because people brought them in from home and school.
Paris Hilton uses a BB because her sidekick got hacked/lost/stolen (in 2005) and her address book was compromised...
I'm sure she went to BB for a more secure device (remote wipe) not because of good emails....
you are also assuming that RIM and Windows got their start selling to the enterprise. RIM did, but Windows didn't.
RIM is the exception that proves the rule on this. BTW, check out what Rahul Sood says on this. He clearly thinks that innovation at the consumer level is what drives products into the enterprise.
Windows definitely did get it's real start in the enterprise. although it had been around for a while, consumer applications remained mostly on DOS. It was "Windows for Workgroups" that made Windows the de facto standard that it still is today.
I remember it happening well.
that means you weren't around when Lotus 1-2-3 (DOS) put the PC firmly on the map in corporate america.
That's why the windows 3.x team had an internal mantra "DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run" as they tried to make Windows and Office compelling (and stable) enough to be attractive to companies. DOS applications are STILL running in some big companies.
Not sure if you're making my point or arguing against it, but nevertheless, I still miss the slash commands...Excel has surpassed 1-2-3 in every way but that one.
But yeah, that was MS targeting the enterprise. Get rid of those "other" applications (WordPerfect, 1-2-3, Harvard Graphics) and get folk on the MS equivalents (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) and on Windows.
My first Windows-based spreadsheet was actually Quattro Pro, bought in a package with WordPerfect 7 (if memory serves). Never used Excel in the DOS days...
And I actually still work, very occasionally, with a few DOS programs myself, most notably FigP, which a coworker of mine refuses to relinquish.
My point is that Windows saw early success in consumer and education markets first because the stronghold of 1-2-3, etc made it so hard to inject Windows into businesses that were running the company on 1-2-3 for DOS.
Consumer/education adoption did not cause Windows to "move into the enterprise." It was a razor focus on MS's part to move Windows into the enterprise that made it ubiquitous. Windows 95 was really the first attempt to bring windows home. Penetration was much higher in the enterprise than on home-users' computers before then. Where are all the XP machines that still make up something like 60% of the Window's user base? In the enterprise. Home users have mostly moved on.
My point is, once you get "in" the enterprise, it is much harder to dislodge you. I think most home users who use a Web office suite use Google Apps today, but mark my words, office Web Apps will be the dominant office platform on the Web for at least several years, because the enterprise will go with MS.
Rapid enterprise adoption leads quickly to home user adoption. I do not believe the converse is true. That process takes much longer, although it can happen.
doesnt look like they will sell lots of this lagpad.
It doesnt look like its lagging. It looks like this person doesnt know how to use it so he's trying to use it like a frickin iPad. To me, it looks like dragging your finger moves the cursor around. Probably holding the screen for a second or two will go into "scroll mode." Thats just what Im seeing.
I was actually hoping the scrolling was more of a "two fingers" at once thing. Though eh does seem to get it scrolling on youtube with one finger so your probably right about the hold and wait a second thing. Which is unfortunate.
I thought it ran surprisingly well. There's a trade-off for all the additional power you get with a real PC in your hand. I can have real MS Office with real Outlook, real Firefox (with Direct2D acceleration!), real WordPeftect (yeah, that's right, I still use WP sometimes), and some of my specialized work programs like those written in MATLAB and the graphing/analysis tools I use (SigmaPlot, SPSS, etc.).
I wouldn't make this my everyday computer, but this was netbook to low-end laptop/desktop responsiveness, which is good enough for most folk, me included.
I'll take one...
(I'll also take a new webOS phone, BTW. And soon, or it's N8 here I come.)
Now THIS is what a slate/tablet/pad should be. I dont want my phone on a tablet to take around with me. I want my PC on a tablet to take around with me. Who agrees?
Nothing personal, I disagree. What kind of apps do I want to run on Win7? Excel for massive research oriented number crunching, Word for writing journal articles and reports. These would be terrible to do on a tablet form factor.
Everything else I pretty much do in a web browser, perfect for a webOS tablet. I can't see any use case where win7 would be better than webOS on a tablet, in fact, most cases would be worse and more clunky, the UI is just not designed for finger based interaction.
Now a webOS tablet I can see being hugely useful, notes in a meeting, email on the couch or on the go, web news, facebook, web browsing, media, etc. all done better on a simple tablet form factor.
Taking notes on this thing will be even better if they can figure out the waicom stylus thing, give us the best of both worlds.
My personal opinion, I have a phone for that. I dont see why I would need both my webOS tablet and my webOS phone on the go when they do the same thing.
because it has a large screen and a huge battery. sometimes that is important.
Those are the only reasons? That doesn't make me want to spend hundreds of dollars for just a bigger screen and better battery. I'll wait for the next phone from palm. Again, this is all just my personal opinion. Tablets are cool, but I don't need an over sized Pre.
EXACTLY! Remember when they said smartphones would eliminate the number of devices we carry around? Now smartphones & their apps have created another device for us to carry around! :)
I travel often and would rather have a webOS tablet to carry with me instead of my bulky laptop. I just love webOS, I'm not afraid or ashamed to accept that I am a fanboy
Same here, but it has to have the functionality of my lap top & not be laggy as this slate appeared to me.
I already have that. It's called a netbook. 9 hour battery, runs Win7, even has a "fold out" keyboard...
Saying that it is for enterprise users is saying:
"OK, we know this will be sucky to use but companies have legacy Windows software that they want to run on a tablet so they are basically going to force these things on their employees. We know that real consumers will not want to use this."
By the way, there's no pen. If there's no pen on the Slate then there is probably zero chance there will be a pen on the webOS tablet. That wouldn't make any sense.
There is a pen. Just read the comments on the youtube page. It remains to be seen if it is a wacom pen though.
I am really hoping the Palmpad will have a wacom type digitizer as well. A tablet without a pen seems silly to me, honestly. Skillman's recent comments are quite encouraging to me.
Heck, a 4.3" Palm smartphone with a stylus would be my dream device. For a tablet, I'd rather have a tablet style powerhouse like the VAIO Z, complete with Wacom digitizer. But my needs may be different from most people.
By the way, notice how it seems to have a couple little webos features? Like the ripple effect when you tap the screen. Or the full side swipe to switch between internet windows. Maybe thats just a coincidence. Maybe...
That's actually built into Windows 7 as part of the "touch" experience. I see that little reticle ripple thing pop up when I click using my Wacom Bamboo Pen. Apparently HP has figured out how to enable it for finger-touches which I've been trying to figure out for a while.. only shows up when I'm in "pen" mode LOL
Give me a webOS tablet, that's all I ask for!! :-)
Ok...here it is ..I would love Webos..and was looking to see how HP would develop theres..but since they are doing the IPAD no keyboard number..I am headed for the Dell Duo as soon as it releases..this on screen keyboard is a pain which is why I love my pre and have been a palm addict for 20 years. Thanks but no thanks to the Slate webos or no..its too bad...Del Duo is slick.
Wow. Not impressed at all.
Looks ok but seems to have to many buttons on it for a touch device. Waiting for webOS version.
looks good i hope palm pad is slimer and more responsive i know it will be faster
Looks like a horrible user experience. He couldn't get it to scroll, and accidentally clicked to create a new tab. Windows was not designed for a touch interface, and this video shows how bad of an experience users can expect.
Interesting that they took a cue from Palm and indicate where you touch the screen with the droplet animation.
I think scrolling how you typically would think to, moves the cursor and perhaps tap and hold for a sec enters scroll mode. Not everything is an apple rip off. I commend them for doing something different. Im sure if you use it and get used to how it works, scrolling would be a no brainer.
i like the over size of the tablet, the build quality looks great only whats with the ctrl alt buttons.
Windows is not designed for touch screens. This is going to flop so hard like the Android tablets.
Damn 3MP's only sheesh...
Let's hope that this windows tablet will NOT come remotely close to our soon to arrive webOS tablet.
Man you guys like bashing anything non webos eh?
Its a PROTOTYPE for the love of god...
He's using one hand to work it, while holding an Iphone in the other to shot the video, that alone will make it seems craptastic to use.
If this was a webos slate, shot by the same guy using it the same way and the same issues were present everyone would be.
Oh its a prototype of course it has problems, the guys using one hand to use it he should be using two, those issues will be fixed by release etc etc etc...
Take off the blinders folks.. everyone says iphone fanboys are bad you guys are just as bad if not worse....
^ Way to slap the whole community...................................................................................but we needed it.
I like the back of the slate. Ipads are always scratched on the back.
I like the back of the slate. Ipads are always scratched on the back.
personally I think that a key to beating the iPad will be the ability to auto-magically sync data with the "cloud" so it is seamlessly integrated in to netbooks, PCs, etc. I don't need another device to search for something, or another version to reconcile. I know you can sync to the cloud today, but it isn't seamless or simple enough for average users.
So the Win7 Slate comes with a Ctrl-Alt-Del button. Yea... they don't foresee any system crashes here :) Too funny.
Bring on the PalmPad!
Ctrl-Alt-Del isn't only for system crashes.
I was thinking the same thing. How confident are they in the stability of the OS tho have an "Uh-Oh" button? Hahahaha! No thanks, I'll wait for a webOS pad
any tablet/touch device using a mouse pointer is dedicated to fail.
I stopped watching after waiting for it to boot up. No thanks.
OH COME ON you must be in denial because my pre takes about 3 times longer to boot up then this thing did. I love webos just as much as the next guy but don't tell me you wouldn't buy this thing because of it's boot time if you are toting a webos device!
Why are you booting your Pre? I wont use any tablet that requires me to wait for a boot up. I just slide to unlock on my iPad and I am ready to go.
I guess you should trash your Ipad as well because the the guy clearly said he had the slate "OFF" not in sleep/hibernate but "OFF"
Here's your lovely Ifail rebooting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzX4IxdGgks&feature=player_embedded zomg it has a boot time.
Any news out of HP is good news at this point, Finally a leak about something we have been hearing about for so long. webOS is just around the corner. :-)
I had the chance to play with a production model today. It's pretty sweet. Plus not having to write or rewrite apps so that they can run on a tablet/slate is even better.
is really cool but a web os tablet means that we gonna need laptop to install stuff on to it so I love the hpslate can't wait for it
Wonder when they'll let the FCC approval cat out of its bag? If they don't already have it, I doubt we'll have an opportunity to purchase one of these in October. On the other hand, they may already have it, but they're going the distance to make sure we don't know it.
Hp Slates, like 'em or not, they're definately coming.
http://hp.com/slate
All I can say is that interface is ugly as hell on a touchscreen tablet. webOS and iOS are vastly superior in that regard. For that reason alone, I would never by this iteration of the slate. I can easily see how many would find the familiar interface a selling point, though.
Also, ugg.. IE8?
There were some interesting comments to which I wanted to respond, but there were too many fanboy and silly ones distracting me.
I have an iPad.
I WANTED a webOS pad.
Now, I want this Slate...if it has great battery life and the right price point.