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by Derek Kessler Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:35 pm EST

If there’s one product announced at HP’s Think Beyond event that we haven’t been able to fully wrap our hands around, it’s HP webOS 3.0. And that’s not just because of the literal challenges that come with wrapping physical hands around a non-physical entity like software, but also because there’s simply a lot we don’t know about webOS 3.0. We do know that the basic interface paradigms remain unchanged: the familiar cards, launcher, Just Type search, and more are all there. But apps built in Enyo and working without a gesture area (at least on the HP TouchPad) mean a lot of changes are coming for webOS with version 3.0.

What we know:

webOS 3.0 will launch this summer with the new TouchPad tablet, and we’re not at all surprised that the tablet requires a significantly overhauled OS. It’s not that webOS wouldn’t work find on the larger screen size, quite the opposite, in fact, as much of the webOS user experience we know and love is still present in webOS 3.0. Just Type search and Quick Actions are there, your apps launch in cards and you can move them around in stacks and throw them off the top of the screen, and you can still browse your apps in a familiar grid of icons.

But that’s where the similarities appear to end. Every app we’ve seen demoed in webOS 3.0 has been thoroughly overhauled to work better with the tablet experience. Overhauled isn’t really a correct way to describe it, as the apps are actually ground-up new experiences. HP has taken to Enyo to build more flexible and richer apps for the TouchPad, but that required they start from scratch.

The fruits of their labor are immediately obvious with features like the sliding panels in the revised email client and the side-scrolling reels in Photos. Also obvious is the more iOS-like nature of apps like the browser: there’s now a desktop-style address bar with navigation buttons at the top of the browser window (it scrolls away) instead of the floating buttons we’ve grown used to in webOS.

Many of these changes were dictated by the sheer size of the TouchPad screen, and it’ll be interesting to see how they translate down to smaller devices like the Pre 3 and Veer. Other changes were dictated by other hardware aspects of the TouchPad, like the lack of a gesture area for swiping, tapping, and holding. Without the gesture area for back swipes and meta-taps, the webOS 3.0 user interface needed an overhaul to make functionality more easily accessible. In a way, putting webOS onto a tablet has forced HP to adopt some of the best features of the iOS UI while still retaining the points where webOS continues to shine.

That’s just the built-in apps, which will all be built in Enyo. But the TouchPad and other 3.0 devices will still be able to run older Mojo apps, but there’s a catch. The older apps won’t be able to access all of the scalable UI goodness that is Enyo, and they’ll have to run in a UI emulation window that will provide buttons to simulate the gesture area. It’s not an ideal situation, but it’s the best solution to retaining backwards compatibility when removing the hardware that software depends upon.

As you might expect, webOS 3.0 isn’t just a UI overhaul for tablety goodness. The new version will bring a number of new features to webOS, including shared notifications and built-in HP printing support. The shared notifications work with a paired webOS device and will allow your calls and text messages to be forwarded to the tablet over Bluetooth. The TouchPad will even be ale to handle video calls from a paired Pre 3. That pairing is established using the Touchstone-tech Touch-to-Share communication coils, but all data transferring happens over Bluetooth. So while you can leave your phone on the Touchstone charger while you play with your tablet, you still need to be in the general vicinity (plus or minus thirty feet). In essence, the TouchPad becomes a Bluetooth headset for the phone.

Printing support will only be with HP ePrint printers, keeping with HP’s desire to build an ecosystem of interacting products, and though we only saw it demoed in the Photos app, we can assume that it will be integrated with a number of built-in apps and have an available API as well.

What we don’t know:

First and foremost on the list of don’t know is the same thing that’s at the top of the don’t know list for the TouchPad: when? HP says that they’re planning for availability of the TouchPad sometime this summer, but that’s at least a three-month range (June-August) and the “planned” bit leaves open the possibility of a delay. They say they’re not going to launch until the product is ready, but that they still want to get the TouchPad, with webOS 3.0, in customers’ hands as soon as possible.

There’s a second part to “when?”, however: when will webOS 3.0 come to devices other than the TouchPad? Not too long ago we’d point our fingers at Android and mock them for their fragmenting operating system installation base, with new Android devices running everything from 1.6 to 2.3, and tablets running on 2.2 and 3.0. Google claims that the next version of Android, presumably 3.1, will unify the diverging operating system forks, but we’re not certain when that will come.

Similarly, we’re not certain when or if webOS 3.0 will come to devices like the Pre 3, Veer, and Pre 2. Our assumption is that some sort of webOS 3.X update will eventually come to these devices to bring feature parity across the modern webOS lineup, but we don’t know if that will be webOS 3.0, or a newer form factor-bridging version like 3.1. In the meantime, with webOS devices currently running versions 1.4, 1.4.5, 2.0.1, and 2.1, with 2.2 and 3.0 on the way, you’ll notice that we’re going to be all sorts of quite when it comes to mocking our robot smartphone friends.

On the subject of other devices, there’s the question of your Palm Profile. HP says that for things like shared Synergy to work your devices need to be on the same profile, which makes perfect sense. They even made a point of it during the Think Beyond presentation: when you get a TouchPad, all you need to do is log in with your profile and all of your Synergy data will automatically sync down to the tablet. But there’s a problem that still needs to be solved: right now your Palm Profile is a one-device pony, and activating it on a new device will result in the erasure of the older one.

While there’s the technical problem of how to transition from single device profiles to profiles that can be shared across multiple devices, there are also logistical questions to be answered. The one that we know most of you are wondering about is the one that we’re wondering about too: apps. As we mentioned above, running Mojo apps on the TouchPad won’t exactly be the best of experiences, we’d all still love the option while we’re waiting for the developer community to prepare the apps we want for the tablet (yes, HP is going to do everything they can to make sure the apps are available, but the thing that’s going to convince developers the most will be sales of devices, which obviously can’t happen before the device is available).

So will our shared profile also result in shared apps, or are we just going to be looking at shared Synergy data? Synergy data is easy to solve; it’s just a set of logins, passwords, and a few preferences here and there. Apps are another beast. Syncing the app itself is a simple matter; it just has to be downloaded onto the other device when purchased on the first. But taking care of user preferences, caches, and databases is a different story. Then again, it’s a fairly natural extension of Synergy, and it’s definitely something we hope we’ll see integrated, especially with webOS headed to the PC in the none-too-distant future. On that subject of Synergy, there was something that Jon Rubinstein teased after his presentation: Music Synergy. We know precisely nothing about it, though we can infer a lot from what we know about Synergy now and some of HP’s recent purchases. Same goes for HP’s video store, which while not really discussed, was thrown up on the screen for all to see.

There’s one more point we’d like to touch on. During the Think Beyond presentation, Time Inc’s Chief Digital Officer Randall Rothenberg talked about how his company is bringing their publications to webOS 3.0, and will be offering both back catalog pieces and presumably one-off current article purchases, but what about subscriptions? Given recent moves by Apple and Google, a webOS subscription service would make sense to us, but we’re admittedly puzzled by Rothenberg’s hints that current paper subscribers would be able to access the same content free-of-charge on webOS.

There’s an awful lot of unknowns about webOS 3.0, and it’s really more than we could possibly hope to cover in a single piece like this. Much of that is because there’s still a lot of webOS 3.0 that needs to be hashed out by HP. It’s very much a work-in-progress, as evidenced by the very controlled and scripted demos offered at Think Beyond. While the argument could be made that HP should have waited to reveal the TouchPad and webOS 3.0 until they were ready for primetime, the counterargument can be put forth that they had to announce and get out in front of the impending flood of Android tablets and the next version of the market-defining and –dominating Apple iPad.

So we have another four-to-seven (or more) months during which we’ll be able to find out more about webOS 3.0, and the TouchPad. Hopefully we’ll be able to fill in many of these unknowns as the launch draws nearer, but we wouldn’t be surprised if HP holds back to reveals something new when the TouchPad is finally much closer to release.

62 Comments

thanks for the article Derek. sounds like hp has their work cut out for them

I'll miss gestures :(

webos 4.0 and the tablet BETTER incorporate the Gestures back in!

Atleast keep it on the phones!!

pretty please??

i dont see how it could work on a tablet..youd constantly touch the gesture area by just holding it. unless there was a way to able and disable the area easily...idk. but i agree about keeping it with the phones.

I want the new notifications so badly. I'm tired of having to launch the email app just to see my second new email.

Better HP take anytime they need to make TouchPad a well-polished product, rather then rush it to available at market but lots of problem. More over, when I buy HP TouchPad, I want there are lots of apps/games that already supported WebOS 3.0. Not like Motorola Xoom, when it already launched.. seems no Apps on Google Market really support it.

The schedule to launch at summer, seems HP prepared to launch Pre3, Veer , and TouchPad worldwide at same time. They already announced their new products in China, and will make all WebOS products available in Asia Pacific market.

I own the Xoom and i have found the vast majority of apps do work on it even if there not optimized for the huge screen they still get the job more than done.

I think that is why they are waiting until the summer to release it. I would much rather have a tablet with apps that are meant to be seen on it rather than having phone apps scale to fit the screen with lots of left over screen space.

me too dawg :/

Is there anyone else out there who wonders how to share these tablets with multiple family members? I was wondering if you would touch on this in regards to webOS 3.0.

For example, just because I let my daughter borrow my touchpad it does not mean I want her to automatically have access to all of my facebook, twitter, and email accounts. This is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. (Newsflash: not every family is fortunate enough to be able to afford a tablet per person).

Uh... I don't see multiple profiles coming to a single device any time soon. A tablet is a personal device.

I disagree, I think a tablet should be a shared device. It should be a matter of which phone is paired to it. My in-laws have an iPad, and everyone uses it when we go to their house. You can look at their email or facebook with no problems. I wouldn't want that with my own tablet. I think it would be best if HP created a separate type of account for tablets/pc's that can tie into your existing phone account. This new account can be shared with other family phone accounts. Apps purchased on the touchpad would be added to the new account, and all shared accounts would have access to that app, but apps purchased through the phone would only be available on the tablet when that phone is paired.

There are numerous problems I can see with this approach, but I see problems with the single user approach as well. I'm sure they will do single user just because that is how the iPad is and it is easier to implement, but I think it should be a shared device. It looks like the Playbook is shared depending on the device it is paired with, but I haven't seen how they handle apps from different accounts.

Just think of how much more Tablet units you'd sell to families if their device was able to be switched to specific user profiles.

The whole family issue is really something they need to address.

Above and beyond that, if HP is going to market this thing to "The Enterprise" then they better get their **** together and allow for it to support a multi-user environment. Why would this be any different than a laptop with the equivalent of multiple local users setup.

Good God, it is 2011! Please don't make this like Windows 95.

I wish Palm would have done well on its own and remained independent. We'd have many phones in different form factors and we'd still be getting OTA updates every month for ALL devices. HP hasn't really done anything special.

I think you're giving Palm too much credit and HP too little.

HP was working on slates long before the acquisition. Their combined efforts have been disappointing and anti-customer. I dont see any synergy in the merger and they continue to develop stuff so advanced the mass market can't embrace it, while neglecting basic stuff the entire market needs and demands.

@precentral @sprint @hpdeals #HP don't forget about your loyal #sprint @palm #pre- / pixi- owners..small pittance=loyalty! make it worth our while plz :D

About the app preferences, saves and everything, it is certainly do-able: Steam (Valve) does it.

I think I'm one of the few who think the gesture area should have been expanded. All four sides and the gesture areas follow the screen orientation. Makes a range of possibilities for wave menus. I had thought of putting notifications in a pullout menu (a là Android), but HP's way is better.

The main app I imagined this in was a photo editor, where a gesture in from the side invokes a wave menu with sub-menus. I love menus.

Oh well. Life goes on.

The competition has embraced gestures and may lure away customers. One of the best, most unique features of webOS tossed aside despite very vocal customer disapproval. *shrug*

HP, please move the notifications icons to the center of the top bar. it looks too much like windows taskbar over to the right, plus notifications are a big deal and deserve their own real estate on screen, not shoved in the corner with status like wifi, bluetooth, etc.

good idea. i also thought they were too minuscule.

What I'm curious about is if the gesture area will be phased out with 3.0 and if Enyo allows the use of the gesture area. If the gesture area will be phased out of the phone. If it is I will be an extremely extremely sad WebOS user.

From what I have been able to find about Enyo, which is not very much, it looks like it still supports gesture areas, but for apps on tablets, the screen real estate available makes a gesture area less useful (except for the launcher/card view gesture) The gesture area will still exist on their phones because there is not enough screen to display everything like on a tablet.

I think they should rework the gesture for launcher/card view to be recognized without considering the gesture area. A swipe up from off screen would perform the action, regardless of the orientation of the device. There could still be a gesture area on the "normal" bottom of the device that is used for back and forward gestures and meta-taps, but the launcher/card view gesture would not be tied to it anymore. I know this is possible because TealOS was able to perform these kinds of actions with gestures from off screen on my Treo.

This kind of implementation could even be brought to the Touchpad because it wouldn't need a physical gesture area.

The gesture area isn't going anywhere. It's still necissary for smaller devices. They explained that in the conference.

Techradar UK has confirmed the release date as mid June. They have an article on it. I thought Derek would have been aware of that.

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/hp-touchpad-uk-release-da...

"Sources close to the matter" isn't terribly convincing.

On a side note, I can't believe HP are still charging £399 for the Pre 2 in the UK. You would need to be insane to pay that for a phone that will be second gen in three months. At least make it affordable and get it out to the masses. What will they do with the old stock when the Pre 3 ships? Insane.

Running Mojo apps doesn't have to be unpleasant. Remember, you are still essentially running web pages. Web developers have been refining fluid design for years. Hopefully, a Mojo app will be able to tell the TouchPad "Hey, run me in full screen" and the app will just scale up, just like web pages that respond fluidly to different screen resolutions. Heck, hopefully the app can also say "Hey, get rid of those legacy buttons, I ain't usin' no gestures."
I don't understand the need for "emulation" when merely ensuring the app can find Mojo where it expects to find Mojo will suffice. There shouldn't be "emulation" of anything, just an ad hoc addition of legacy buttons, and only if needed.

but being all just web tech the emulation seems to be rather quit simple and not like a real emulator. So either way it seems not that bad to me.

"putting webOS onto a tablet has forced HP to adopt some of the best features of the iOS UI"

So I guess we (and that's all of us, not just Derek) will also be 'quite' about RIM's 'adoption' of cards and other WebOS GUI elements from now on?

"best features of the iOS UI" according to whom? If I wanted an iPhone, I would have bought one.

I don't know if i'm missing something, but if they're keeping the gesture area for all the "smaller" devices, and not having it on the touchpad, does that mean enyo will automatically detect the screensize and compensate by adding use of the gesture area?

I absolutely love the gesture area, and think it's one of the top features of WebOS. if enyo doesn't work like that, won't that be kind of a nightmare for developers?

The other issue is carrier accounts/contracts and fees. AT&T required an additional contract for an additional monthly fee, either $15 for 256 Mbps or $30 unlimited. If we have one profile, I'd want one contract. The devices should be used synergystically - If I'm in the middle of the commute, check the e-mail on the phone and see that someone has sent me a document, touch-to-share so I could read the document. $30 is too much. I pay enough to Sprint.

There is the possibility of using the TouchPad as a WiFi device with Mobile Hotspot on your phone. The question is how much for Mobile Hotspot...

Removal of gesture area is a backward step. With its removal we say goodbye to one of webOS's stand-out differences when compared to competing OSs.

What I Know:

Next week I get my new Android phone.

HP/Palm lie to my face and want to continue supporting them? F Off. Enjoy last place......

Buh-bye. I think we can cover for you.

Oh I'm not going anywhere. I'll still have my Wi-Fi only Pre- and two Pre Pluses to play with. I just won't be buying any new webOS hardware and my cellphone won't be webOS based. If you want to continue financially supporting a company that lies to you that's your prerogative, good luck with that. Don't be surprised when they do it again down the road.

And let's not mince words, HP/Palm has LIED. No amount of sympathizing precentral articles will change that fact. Their website continues to tell me my phone cannot run webOS 2.0 while meanwhile the update has been released to another region. That's what called lying, and there's no excuse for it.

I can't fathom why you care about this. I just bought a Pre 2 at full retail. Trust me, webOS 2.0 is not a significant change. What new earth-shattering things do you expect to do with webOS 2.0?

My phone is an appliance, and I don't expect major feature changes over the 1-2 years of useful life.

I bought the Pre 2 because it works almost exactly like the original Pre Plus I bought. I would have been fine with webOS 1.x on the Pre 2.

I care about HP lying, I care about my GPS that has never functioned correctly, I care about new API's that might allow some of the MANY apps missing on the phone to be developed, I care about voip and Skype, I care about Flash that has promised since 2009, I care about access to the newer app catalog releases that won't run on my phone, etc. etc. etc.

I can't play Divx files.

I can't access my webcam remotely.

I can't use FTP.

No Logmein app.

No voice dialing.

And on and on and on.....

I hope you are forced to upgrade to the Pre3 in a year if you want webOS 3.0 stuff and then maybe we'll see if YOU care.

I honestly can't fathom why ANYONE would want to continue to support HP/Palm. Though at least they'll know they can literally crap all over what remaining user base sticks around and you'll take it like a champ. What a good little consumer you are, now fetch boy!

You bought your Pre because you expected all that? If so, then you've learned a good lesson at a relatively cheap price. Don't expect that kind of enhancement to an appliance from any vendor, and good luck if you expect it from the maker of your Android.

If good little consumer = buy a product becuase I like what it does NOW, and reamin satisfied when it continues to do what I bought it for, then guilty as charged.

I'll be happy to buy a Pre 3 if it has new features that I want.

> You bought your Pre because you expected all that?

No, that's not what I said. Those are reasons for me to move to another platform. I DID expect the phone to have aGPS (as it said it did on Verizon's site when I bought it) and it STILL does not function correctly without VZW Navigator. And I'm not 100% sure it's "evil Verizon" intentionally crippling it, especially when it apparently works fine with webOS 2.x.x. I did also eventually expect Flash, which was announced but also never happened. I expected webOS to be superior to Android in the long-run because there would be no fragmentation. Remember that?

I'm sure those who bought the Pre+ within the past 6 months or so expected a webOS 2.0 upgrade as the carrier sites and HP/Palm also said this was coming.

The only expectations I will have of my Android phone will be what the manufacturer tells me will be coming, nothing more.

HP will be the one's learning the lesson if they think they can continue to treat loyal, paying customers the way they have treated me and others. The biggest insult is the outright lying STILL going on by Palm reps. Please, PLEASE do not tell me with a straight face that "Your device is not able to support the new features of webOS 2" when that is patently untrue.

I understand your being upset about the lies. But we still don't have an official word, if we ever get one, about the 2.0. It's a big boy world, and I think you should start looking at it that way. If you aren't happy with a device, don't buy it. But bashing them because they won't OTA a new software update over to an outdated device is a useless argument. Most people complained about their "broken" phones and how they wanted new hardware....now everyone is complaining that they can't keep their old hardware to get new OS goodies. If you want a better OS, buy the new phones when they come out. If you refuse to buy the new phones because they told us something before realizing the implications, and you think that would be immoral, then ok I can admire your anti-hypocrisy. But to bash them? You take a step down.

If Android has the features you want, you should be buying one of their phones anyway. While loyalty is nice in the industry, you have to remember it all comes back to the fact that it is just technology. And if one company isn't delivering the tech you want, then you go to one that is.

btw, flash has yet to work well on my pre2. I've seen it work well on the tablet tho. So 3.0 I expect will be the build you actually want.

Actually, I do not think it is unrealistic to believe Palm's new OS would have AT LEAST as many features of the previous one. That still has not happened, and may never happen for "legacy" devices.

Man, what took you so long to say goodbye???

Good riddance! Go! And don't look back, or come back with your negative comments.

Gee, I'm sorry if I dislike being lied to. And as I said, I'm not going anywhere, I will still own several WiFi only webOS devices. I was once a "salesman" for webOS and now I bad mouth them and HP at any chance I get. They have turned a hardcore supporter into a hardcore hater with their actions.

I don't understand them getting rid of gestures. I know you don't want to take up more space by putting it on every side of the bezel, but why not just at the "bottom" and just extend that area to have the illuminated line we are used to rotate with the device?

Assuming that the intent is not simply duplicate the phone UI, I think the problem is that with the potential for more active foreground (i.e. available window) views that the bigger landscape allows, use of the gesture area would become a two-step operation - focus, then gesture.

Not necessarily. Besides, what OS does not require you to set focus on the app with which you want to interact?

The Wave Bar, UP swipe for launcher, full swipe app/card change do not require app focus.

WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE THINK THE ONLY GESTURE IS THE BACK GESTURE???

I'm really excited about the TouchPad! I'm putting a little money away each week so when the time comes I can purchase it and accessories no sweat. It would hepl to know what it's gonna cost but I can guesstimate based on competitors pricing.

I am planning to pass on my laptop to the woman of the house in favor of the "pad", hope it is functional enough to do that.

Also, I'm really curious about cloud music services and maybe swithching from itunes to purchase music. I really don't like Apples' death grip of control they have on everything...

I'm saving too. I'm hoping the TouchPad delivers some lifestyle improvements just like the Treo & Pre did.

HP's webOS announcements are increasingly disappointing and even infuriating; this site's gushingly uncritical coverage of them is saddening. Remember when it told us that one of the reasons webOS (the original -- not 3, or even 2) was a superior operating system was that it would so easily scale up for use in tablets? Eight months ago, or even six, a webOS tablet stood a chance; now it will come after Honeycomb and after Ipad 2 and will, along with webOS itself and its devices, last as long as HP is willing to throw money down the drain. It's all a shame, because webOS really was superior.

Infuriating? Lighten up. It's a product line, ok? If it doesn't meet your needs, then move on to what works better for you. I believe androidcentral is through the door to your right.

Meanwhile the rest of us who still like our webOS products will take advantage of the info this site provides.

I wonder why they chose to remove the gesture bar...I hated gestures for about 1 day, and now after getting used to them think they are wonderful.

Uhm you got some typos in this article... :)

It's kinda funny; prior to the leaks and announcement, I was kinda concerned about how the gesture area would work on a 10" tablet. The it seemed to me that the weight and size would make it awkward.

The Prē works well with gestures because it fits in your hand. Every time I pick up an iPad, I hold it with my fingers on what would be the gesture area of a WebOS tablet. Also, whenever I try to hand my phone to someone who is not familiar with a WebOS device, either to show them a video or a picture, they inevitably hit the gesture area and get confused.

I hope they never take the gesture area out of the phones, but I get it with the TouchPad. Hopefully 3.x is a tablet OS and they just update 2.x with more compatible features. It would seem silly to limit what either device (phone or tablet) could do just to make them "the same".

Couldn't agree more. The added display space for the tablet should allow new UI features and workflow.

I'd like to have a consistent theme, but integration between the devices is the key value proposition.

This is what I know. It sucks and no one is gonna buy it.

Commenting on the lying HP has done...I agree. They took their words and tossed them out the window. I was annoyed as everyone else. But what I see over all the anger is HP changing the face of WebOS to create a wider appeal and introduce the HP environment. Before, Palm made the Pre to be an iPhone killer. Now, HP sees beyond simple phone competition. They are making WebOS toasters and fridges (joking) because their vision is to create a seamless environment where anything digital you want is anywhere you need it.

The iPad created the tablet market and launched it into immediate overdrive. HP wants to create the cloud market, thereby overtaking Apple.

I say this with no degree of certainty, mind you. It's still a vision. HP has definitely pissed off a lot of people, and that will hurt them. But, they remain vigilant in their resolve to achieve their goals. It remains to be seen whether people catch on the the idea.

"Similarly, we’re not certain when or if webOS 3.0 will come to devices like the Pre 3, Veer, and Pre 2. Our assumption is that some sort of webOS 3.X update will eventually come to these devices to bring feature parity across the modern webOS lineup, but we don’t know if that will be webOS 3.0, or a newer form factor-bridging version like 3.1. "

Really? Our assumption?

They flat out guaranteed us webOS 2.x for the Pre -/+ and then changed their minds. What makes you "assume" that they'll continue to support the Pre 2 and Veer?