HTML5 Editors Draft Hits W3C, Flash Doesn't Break a Sweat (yet) 36
The HTML5 specification came another step closer to becoming a Web standard today, as the first editors draft of the technology was released to the World Wide Web Consortium. HTML5 is the technology that makes up a significant portion of webOS, the new and improved Google Voice mobile web portal, YouTube and a few other notable Web services. This is great news for the Web as a whole and for the webOS platform in particular, but what are the implications for Adobe’s Flash technology?
Despite Steve Job’s recent comments about Adobe and the fact that the iPhone and iPad won’t support Flash, the proprietary Web technology won’t be going away anytime soon. As Dion Almaer (the guy Palm hired last September along with fellow Mozilla luminary Ben Galbraith to head up developer relations) noted in a post to his personal blog, Flash has good penetration and Adobe can rapidly evolve the technology. There’s no question that HTML5 is powerful and will one day be as ubiquitous as Flash is today, but it’s still a young technology, and short-term expectations need to be tempered with some perspective:
[…] And, this brings me to the Adobe half of the Steve Jobs equation. Flash isn’t dead. HTML5 is slowly going to put a dent into it if we ever get some of the use cases just right (e.g. video), but Adobe has a good penetration and can move at the speed of a dictatorship. The iPhone/iPad combo not shipping Flash will have an interesting dynamic here too, hopefully helping the HTML5 video cause. There is still much more work to be done. Flash and browser plugins have had a long history at forging new paths, and the Web can come in behind them and standardize. May that continue. […]
It also helps to keep in mind that HTML5 is still some ways away from becoming completely standardized. The W3C website spells out the process of a specification from start to finish, and the HTML Working Groups' own website anticipates a candidate recommendation later this year, and a final recommendation sometime in 2012.
So, while HTML5 continues to evolve and companies such as Palm, Apple, and Google continue to go back and standardize on it, Palm is also going to give this Flash thing a go.
Meanwhile, we're excited for the features possible with HTML5. Developers: anything in this spec making you giddy?
Thanks to flea for the tip!
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Waiting on flash and video recording is meh...
Waiting for speed improvements is also.. meh.
Flash is just such an immense pile of suck if you're not running windows.
Flash on OSX? Error-filled, prone to crashes, and a memory hog.
Flash on Linux? Error-filled, prone to crashes, and a memory hog.
Adobe's support for Flash on both of those platforms has been middling at best (after *YEARS* of ignoring both platforms). It took them a tremendous amount of effort to even get Flash running on them, and it's still a sub-par experience.
Don't even get me started on the fact that 64-bit Flash is still very much a work in progress.
All of this points to the fact that Flash always was, and continues to be, a designed-for-windows application. Cross-platform compatibility is something that has been bolted on, rather than an integral part of the design.
Adobe will always treat platforms other than windows as an afterthought. Don't expect anything better than that.
I know you are basing your assumptions from experience...or at least hopefully you are...but you cannot knock on something until you have it in your hands running, you know? I don't think Adobe is foolish enough to venture into the mobile world ON A GRAND SCALE if it wasn't ready...especially with it's name on the line. Like you said...they're always working hard improving Flash w/ platforms other than Windows...who's to say they haven't solved the issues running on webOS? Sure webOS is Linux based...but it's not Linux.
If Flash comes out...at least the Beta ver...and it is plauged with issues...there will be an army of pissed off people, but it's in Beta for a reason.
...I guess we just have to wait until it lands in the App Catelog either the day webOS 1.4 lands, or shortly after.
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I use osx & have never had issues with flash
I heard that flash had / would have something like this too.
I looked at one of the online demos for silverlight on this and it was awesome. It sends you the best stream based on your processing power and bandwidth and can change that up or down depending on both. sanyo xacti vpc-e1 waterproof digital camcorder
I have not tried out theis flash version yet. Just don
Well, starting with v3.5 of Firefox and Flash v10.x, I have "some" trouble even with Windows (7)!
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...and 90% of computer users run Windows. Kinda makes sense Adobe (Macromedia) would choose the majority to run with.
it sucks also on windows. it consumes toooo much of my processor time. and most of flash is only good for ads. I can life without flash! its simply overrated!
I'm excited for all this new technology...mainly because it is already or at least will be integrated within Palm's webOS =) We get to have Flash first...then when HTML5 becomes 'a norm' our Pre's and Pixi's and whatever device Palm releases will flawlessly integrate it. Palm did a great job with its webOS...and I don't think people are giving them the credit they really deserve - thanks to the likes of Android and iPhone...blahhh lol.
"Palm did a great job with its webOS"
maybe... and only mayby... for the USA. but it sucks outside the usa
Curious if html5 will contain anything like Silverlight's adaptive compression capabilities. I heard that flash had / would have something like this too.
I looked at one of the online demos for silverlight on this and it was awesome. It sends you the best stream based on your processing power and bandwidth and can change that up or down depending on both.
I sure hope HTML5 has / will have this.
the difference between flash and html5, flash can always be supported with a plug-in, full html5 will depend on the browser, and it will quite a while before microsoft properly supports html5.
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Do I see HTML5 eventually taking the place of Flash? Probably. Just like Flash basically took the place of embedded Java Applets. It's just the evolution of the web. Now to completly not support Flash like apple is doing? I don't like that idea. Palm has it right by making it a downloadable *option*. Just like we have on our PCs. Either way, HTML5 looks promising.
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"...Adobe can rapidly evolve the technology."
You're kidding, right? As a Linux user, I've seen Flash "rapidly" evolve from "hey, it exists, get off our back" to full-blown second class citizen status - all over the course of a mere 6 years!
I'm less interested in the arrival of Flash than I am in how the browser will behave once its installed. Will there be Flash-block? Will there be a "toggle" to have the browser pretend Flash isn't installed when off, and then make it aware when on? Even though it's up for debate just how much Flash sucks, there's no getting around the fact that Flash-based banner ads are going to eat my CPU and battery more than .jpg's and .png's.
from what I have seen of the demo videos, you must double click inside the flash "sandbox" to activate it. If this is the case it should ease your concerns.
I am looking forward to the update and very happy with everything webos.
my eyes glazed over mid first sentence. i kinda don't get any of this. oh that's not a veiled request to explain it either. i'm quite happy not knowing.
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>anything in this spec making you giddy?
Not really. It is easy to turn off Flash by not installing it or using a Firefox Add-on to control when it is used. I hope we can have selective control over Flash in WebOS. When html5 hits, if it is integrated into the browsers, I hope users will still have control there, too...
(Hint: Some of us don't want the browser to turn even more into Television, we want to read pages WITHOUT tons of distracting, memory-eating, CPU-gobbling, battery draining movement and animation)
Well said crxssi.
Do not like flash turn it off unless you need it or do not even download the plugin (you have that option). According to the videos the flash does not automatically start without you turning it on. To bad because the way html 5 is being worked out now, it can be turned off but the site can turn itself on without the user setting it to on basically forcing you to look at the multimedia or whatever they want as a requirement to access the sites.
so with the current browsing experience you can disable to surf a site without a problem, with html 5 you do not have the option. legitimate sites might follow your requirements but others might require that you allow full access basically it is either you allow it or you do not allow the code to run (basically you can not even look at the test or images the page had to offer without following the page requirement)
Freedom is out the door, no more skipping the ads, and a lot more potential attacks on your system and privacy. There is one good thing less crashes (for some reason i feel cheated. we are giving the industry more than what they are giving us with this html 5 deal)
"b-b-but Flash is so BUGGY! It makes OSX crash!!!" *tear*
"Flash is just such an immense pile of suck if you're not running windows."
I disagree with this... I run 5 computers with the flash plugin on Ubuntu GNU/Linux and it works fine.
In fact, if it weren't for Flash - my wife wouldn't be able to watch Full episodes of her favorite shows on hulu.com because abc.com uses the crap Silverlight/MoveNetworks player, which is NOT compatible with GNU/Linux at all!
I'm an open standards advocate all the way! HTML 5 will help put an end to the cross-platform compatibility issues.. but until then, it's Flash all the way on GNU/Linux!! Down with the movenetworks player and all the companies that don't make a plugin for GNU/Linux at all!
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People seem to forget that Adobe can easily make Flash as an program export to HTML 5 if really necessary, just like Adobe once supported SVG with its failed Flash-killer before it acquired Macromedia. Adobe could easily position itself as a HTML 5 development tool, just like they are about to do with iPhone apps.
Adobe is not a stupid company.
Just to be clear, that document is only an editor
Flash is not going anywhere...not for several years at least. HTML5 is nowhere near Flash in terms of addressing DRM (demanded by folks like Hulu) and Codec licensing. Furthermore, Flash is installed everywhere...and your average user takes quite some time to upgrade their browser. IE8 *just* surpassed IE6 this month.
Here's a great article that explains why HTML5 is so interesting (including video capabilities and other features)...and also why its video capability isn't making Adobe sweat...yet.
http://gizmodo.com/5461711/giz-explains-why-html5-isnt-going-to-save-the...
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I see this going somewhere definitely. The evolution of the web is continuing and I see html5 moving in possibly. But it could also go nowhere, like many seemingly so promising applications on the net.But as a computer nerd, this is always interesting.
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