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Kerris: work on webOS and app ecosystem will continue 97

by Derek Kessler Fri, 19 Aug 2011 8:54 pm EDT

Like you, we’re wondering about where the future of webOS will take this community. At the very least, HP intends to continue working on the operating system, even if they’re not going to be making any devices of their own. To that end, HP SVP Worldwide Developer Relations Richard Kerris took to the HP webOS Developer Blog to address the developer community:

We have opened the next chapter for webOS, and we understand that you must have many questions. Yesterday we announced that we will focus on the future of webOS as a software platform but we will no longer be producing webOS devices. While this was a difficult decision, it’s one that will strengthen our ability to focus on further innovating with webOS as we forge our path forward. Throughout this journey, our developers will continue to be a vital part of the future of webOS.

We will continue to support, innovate and develop the webOS App Catalog. Our intent is to enhance our merchandising and presentation of your great products and to continue to build our webOS app ecosystem.

As many of you are aware, we are currently scheduled to hold many developer events around the world. We are planning to continue with these events, however, due to the recent announcements; the nature of them will change. These updates will be posted on our events registration site this coming week. We are eager to present to you the updated strategy for webOS and to hear your feedback.

So HP wants you to continue making apps, as they still see a future for webOS. But what future is that? We’re not entirely sure, and we’re eager to find out. The sooner the better, because we’re not entirely sure how many more near death experiences the Palm community can take before it gets tired of being on life support...

 

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Just got that email right now... Words are pretty but I'll feel much better when they ACT.

The next chapter for webOS is 13, right?

It's actually just one of those flashback chapters.

Too late imo, and I'm as hardcore a webos fan as anyone. HP absolutely destroyed the trust of their palm customers, than proceeded to cr*p all over their devs in their handling of this announcement. As much crud as Palm has always gotten for the way they've managed and bungle things, HP has outshone them spectacularly in mismanagement.

What POSSIBLE good could this announcement have done? Their stock dropped an astonishing amount today, and for what?? The chance to say "hey devs, who have been supporting us all along and putting work into our promised platform - guess what, no actual devices!!! lol, but hey - keep on developing kk? thanks a lot!"

Poor Kerris - I'd be livid if I were in his shoes... developer relations my ***. Leo is a nutcase who failed at SAP and now fails harder at HP.

Poor Kerris has to spin-doctor this now - I pity the guy. Being forced to put a smilie face on this while the credibility of HP crashed to 0 and nobody is trusting a word they are saying.

And what difference would it make now,even if they DID act,now?

NOBODY is taking them serious anymore, nobody will license webOS from them, not after this year-long comedy of incompetence, show of absulute stupidity from them

I agree - licencing from HP would be insane.

A company interested in webos (there are a couple potential candidates) would need to buy it and then licence HP to use it as an embedded os for printers etc.

exactly, no one in his right mind, willing to bind his company's future with webOS, would allow HP to be a key player in this equation

for webOS, the only chance is to spinoff and be bought as a whole, by someone like HTC, Samsung or, hmmm... well, that is, by HTC or Samsung.

Given that HP will try to make a killing by selling it, it ain't happen, and they will be dwindling and dwindling, and bleeding webOS until it gives the final kicks.

Loving your commentary Derek. Near death is sooo correct. Man if webOS makes it out of this alive this is definitely one for the tech history books. whew!!!

It already is for all the wrong reasons.

One for the tech history books, and another for every marketing and management class on how NOT to operate your company.

I Agree 100%!! This has beeen the WORST example of Good Business. And no matter how you slice it, HP STILL F'd Up!!

Near death? It's dead. When the worlds largest computer manufacturer does a cost/benefits risk analysis and finds out that it isnt advantageous of them to pursue selling webOS devices. Even with their "SCALE" then tell me why anyone else would?
Seek other employment. Unless you want to review printers.

Except that HP doesn't even want to be the world's largest computer manufacturer anymore!

Can I be the guy you give one of those Bodygaurdz cases to? I want to use it to beat myself over the head with.

Seriously though. If you are still giving one away...

I want one of those cases too.

Derek, I seem to recall an article in the forums a little while back called, "Why HP should be afraid of the iPad." It seems prophetic now that the HP CEO validated everything I... I mean, the poster had to say.

Back then, the mods were a bit heavy-handed and inconsistent, and banned a lot of people somewhat capriciously, or so it seemed. How about granting some sort of amnesty? :) Now that the editorial staff can freely say what many of us were saying a long time ago, lifting the bans seems like a fitting gesture.

Either way, I never miss a Palmcast, and I never miss a front page article. I love PC, even though I am a Palm expat. Keep up the good work.

The risk analysis was probably one sided with a different agenda.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-19/apotheker-sets-biggest-hp-strat...

I don't think Apotheker's team has any experience/knowledge of the mobile and tablet business to make a valid analysis? Clearly they didn't even understand the WebOS ecosystem. They just scared off all consumers and app developers, and yet they are seeking to continue WebOS-software side and maybe even seek buyers? Oh faux pas. HP (Apotheker) screwed up big time, and he screwed everyone along the way (i.e. early adopters, developers, partners aka AT&T, homebrew community, and other devotees who were willing to give WebOS another chance).

Heads got to roll for this. Get Leo out!

Just take solace in the fact that anyone who really was part of the brains behind the creation of webOS now works for Google. Googarolla will make something really nice for us all to adopt that is not iOS. WebOS, rest in piece. Rubenstein and all the rest can burn in HP **** They are all done. That is the last part of sweet justice. Their stock will continue to drop drop drop. Bye bye HP!

Just like Derek said, HP is also giving up the PC business. They pretty much said on Thursday that, "Oh, we are making tons of money in this sector here, however due to our insanity we are going to say **** the money and go down a path that HP hasn't really done before." If they just said we are not making WebOS devices, I would understand, but that was not the case.

You missed the part where they are dumping *all* of their consumer hardware division. Not just webos devices - all PC business except printers.

And it's just spineless talk from a headless chicken company that has no clear vision anymore. They have been fumbling around with Grand Strategies for a decade now.

Luckily for Apple Jobs didn't think IPod, IPhone and Ipad were too risky (those businesses were all considered risky before Apple made it successful) - or Apple would be gone by now.
I'm not a big Apple fan (too restrictive for my taste) but I have high respect for Steve Jobs willingness to take risky bets (with proper technical and marketing preparation).

My prediction is that HP will fail in their quest to get higher margins in the cloud.
While Appple is printing money with high margins in the consumer space HP is moving into an area that has commodotization built in. In 2-3 years they will change CEOs again and announce a new better vision for their future.

HP - Headless Poultry

Richard's post is more vague, meaningless commentary. They're going to keep building webOS as a software platform and keep marketing our apps, but to whom? Software is nothing without hardware. Without providing details of where the apps will run, it doesn't give me as a developer any reason to want to stick with developing webOS apps.

Apple has Foxconn make its iPhones. Palm used to use HTC to make Treos. Google used...lots of companies to push Android. HP has very, very rarely made **** hardware in the history of their company. That's just not what they've ever done. They're HP. They're the guys who make the cheap 400 dollar box that you put under your desk and use as a cheap backup system.

It's not as uncommon as you'd think to license an OS to a vendor. The big question will be whether or not it's an exclusive license, or a broad license. I'd opt for the exclusive license, myself, as it allows a lot more control and prevents manufacturers and carriers from injecting bloatware into their phones and tablets as a means of "adding value".

Yes but why would ANYONE pay HP in licensing when they can get Android for free??

As a backup plan with Googrolla happening.

People are going to want more OS to choose from. People always want options.

Except that android skins make the Android look different. That's enough for most people. Google is a name they know. The HP name meant little or nothing apparently and especially now that they're withdrawing from consumer market.

They can't get Android for free anymore.

They will soon can again, after moto acquisition.

Besides, it is not really about the price. I doubt if there would be too much interest in making webOS hardware even if HP license it free, right now. R&D, prototyping, and manufacturing is NOT free, and why anyone would invest hard cash in a dead platform.

HP developing & licensing webOS, and succeeding against Google and Microsoft in that space? Buahahaha, give me a break. They'll eat them alive, raw, and without spices, and without even breaking sweat.

"They will soon can again, after moto acquisition."

Sounds like the same optimism everyone else here had.

really? And when "everyone else here had so much optimism", where I was? Wasn't it the reality's side?

Exactly like with Google/Moto deal. I am saying it is for patents, crowd here sees the "alternative" dimension to it, and a "chance" for "endangered & enraged" OEMs to get on board of wonderful webOS. Sheesh!

It is for patents, baby, and Google is clear that Moto will remain a separate entity. Maybe, just maybe, because it is a LOGICAL thing to do? To continue the strategy that brought Android from nowhere to no.1 spot in smartphone market? And secondly, because it is Google's long-term strategy and philosophy, and always was?

With all the patent wars going on and some Android manufacturers actually paying MS patent fees (aka protection money) Android isn't free anymore.

I don't see anybody licencing webos.
The way forward is:
1. A company buys webos (fairly cheaply after HP just critically damaged the brand)
2. Licence it back to HP for use in printers etc... as part of the deal
3. Rename it

There are good reasons why a company like Samsung will be interested if the price is right (and comes with enough patent defense).
* Samsung (el al) is facing costs for Android due to broken patent system anyway.
* It's healthy to not be overly dependent on just one option (they already mainatin their own alternative Bada system - put on low priced entry level smartphones)
* MS/Nokia and Google/Motorolla changed the landscape this year.

It would be much easier for Samsug to come out with new webos devices relatively quickly (compared to HP) because they are already big in the mobile market.

Oops. I guess sechxy is a word that gets filtered out. My bad.

Richard Kerris doesn't know himself what's happening. Engadget or All Things D said that Todd Bradley was told this past Sunday. Reminds me of when the doddering old King makes crazy decisions and the minions have to scramble and try to make it work somehow. HP could have set up the webOS successors first to soften blow and guarantee that hardware was continued for a year. Or that phones were sold online rather than in brick and mortar places until the successors were there. Instead, whoops, did I trip over the life support plug? Worst PR move ever. (esp with rumors months ago that HP was going to spin off PC side- which was of course denied vehemently)

+1

If HP really wants to WebOS to survive as a platform they would have strapped on a parachute before pushing it out the plane. Until a suiter or licensee was found HP should have kept quiet.

That's right, with no hardware to put webOS on, who would want to develop for webOS? I don't understand why HP can't hold back the announcement on the discontinuation of their webOS devices until they've lined up licensees to take over the hardware. This extremely poorly managed announcement has completely undermined the webOS ecosystem and makes their pledge of continued support for the webOS platform totally not credible. *sigh*

I can kinda see your point Dan but think about it, HP is going to sell EVERY SINGLE TOUCHPAD they manufactured at this point. BestBuy had 270,000 you can extrapolate numbers for their other channel partners from there and that's over 1 MILLION DEVICES.

As a Dev, do you care HOW MUCH a user paid for their device? Or that they HAVE a device?? Not sure it you have a TP app yet (been waiting for MPR HD) but there will be a TON of new users now who will see the app catalog and buy apps. Plus there's several hundred thousand in HP "App credits" that you devs are getting as well.

It's actually a GREAT time to be a DEV, not a vendor\consumer seller.

I think that's true for devs who have an existing app out or plans for small apps that are easily ported at low cost. The firesale will create a lot of fresh customers for a short time.

But bigger apps, especially if they were early in development will be cancelled. This is a short term market without continued new customer growth.

Devs need a constant stream of new customers they can sell stuff to.

Plus customers will hesitate to buy apps for a comatose/dead platform. People who now get the TP will see it as a EMail, EReader, Media consumption and browser device. Because that's what it can reliably do without continued support from the manufacturers. The kind of customer who relies on apps will not be interested in a TP even at current low prices.

"People who now get the TP will see it as a EMail, EReader, Media consumption and browser device. Because that's what it can reliably do without continued support from the manufacturers. "

precisely. If I only could, I'd buy TouchPAd myself at that price, because it is a steal, for a device of this quality and functionality out of the box, and I do not give a **** what happens next to apps/ecosystem.

That is probably who is getting them en masse now - casual users, who were considering "a" tablet, as a web/ebook/email reader, youtube viewer.

Good enough for me. Will push new updates and apps next week.

Next week, yes. But what about next month?

HP: "lol hey sorry for being a deadbeat dad. You're still going to have to take care of the kid on your own and I'll watch you take care of it, but I just don't think it will live up to anything really."

@DanPLC: they will gain 100+k "beta testers" this weekend. :)

Yeah I'm curious how many they'll sell at $99.

Apparently a lot. Everyone who was selling then for that price is sold out within hours of putting them on sale.

That's a crazy good deal.

At that price forget apps and webos technosphere - just think browser tablet, ereader, media consumption device for $99.

If that deal were available here I'd buy one in a second. Heck - I might buy a 2nd one as Backup.

I guess there were lots of people sitting on the fence watching Touchpad. I would consider buying a failed tablet for that price. (instead I'm an early full price payer- hey, where's my $50 webOS rebate, HP? ) But do you think the average consumer is snapping up the TP or techies who see a deal? In any case, weirdly enough I think app purchases will spike up hugely in the short term but then collapse quickly as the firesale TP purchasers lose interest.

All of them.

$99 is crazy cheap. Even with zero future updates and no new apps at all that's a good deal to get a nice browser device.

Plus dealers will buy up anything that customers don't get right away to re-sell at 150-199 - making a quick buck. My guess is that's the range at which you can get one on ebay now/soon.

...every last one of them, that is sure.

Its all Bull Sh*t

Great, where can I sign up to develop an app for such a viable platform?

They are cought in bad timing and have ipad and android to face. If they wanted to take a break they should have just sold inventory and stopped further production NOW along with continued software support and development. Ofcourse with the intention of bringing the right hardware to market. thats better than just making dum late anouncments with a bunch of confusion. Wow this is the American corporate world? Makes me want to move to Japan!!!!!!

No - it's not a matter of poor timing.
It's a spineless lack of vision.

Consumer hardware is a fickle and tough business with low margins.
Nevertheless HP (with buying some companies) managed to get to be #1 PC manufacturer.

The division was even profitable (and let's remember we have a difficult economy).

Yet instead of figuring out ways to improve margins HPs top management thinks it's better to flee the fight and seek shelter in just the enterprise business and the cool new cloud business.

They'll find out soon enough that enterprises seek to lower costs even more than consumers and that the cloud biz is going to be even more commoditized than the consumer PC biz.

But I'm sure it looked cool and promising on powerpoint presentations.
First they wanted to copy Dell. Last year they wanted to copy Apple. Now they want to copy IBM.
One Grand Strategy Initiative after another.

"First they wanted to copy Dell. Last year they wanted to copy Apple. Now they want to copy IBM."

...a good one :)

Sounds good - 2 questions:
1) Who is going to develop apps for an OS that has No Hard-ware

2) Who is going to develop Hard-ware for an OS that has No apps.

With the Fire sale due to start tomorrow - there will be 500,000 TP's left out in the wild. Then what?

The only way they can make it work is if they cut out the hardware altogether, ie. actually make webOS a WEBOS.

That will definitely give jolicloud a run for its money (lol).

I can kinda see your point Dan but think about it, HP is going to sell EVERY SINGLE TOUCHPAD they manufactured at this point. BestBuy had 270,000 you can extrapolate numbers for their other channel partners from there and that's over 1 MILLION DEVICES.

As a Dev, do you care HOW MUCH a user paid for their device? Or that they HAVE a device?? Not sure it you have a TP app yet (been waiting for MPR HD) but there will be a TON of new users now who will see the app catalog and buy apps. Plus there's several hundred thousand in HP "App credits" that you devs are getting as well.

It's actually a GREAT time to be a DEV, not a vendor\consumer seller.

Why bother?

Just walk away. MS is willing to help:
http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-extending-hand-webos-developers

So which of the 8 (!) version of webOS should app developers target? On WHAT hardware should app developers expect their software to run?

Let me get this straight, after being told for two years that Flash was coming and it never did for the original hardware, being told for at least a year that webOS 2 would be available for the original hardware and then at the last minute being told "NO SOUP FOR YOU!", after being told the TouchPad and Pre 3 would be available in the coming months, after being told that HPalm would "make things right", WE SHOULD TRUST YOU TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT APP DEVELOPERS, CURRENT, AND FUTURE CUSTOMERS?!!!

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The only way that it would have made any sense to announce that you were getting out of the device business is if you coupled that with an announcement that someone else took it over.

"We have opened the next chapter for webOS"

Are you kidding me..yeah you opened it alright, nice and wide

It the final tragic chapter where the hero meets his fate.

I always thought they would take my webOS when they pried it from my cold dead hands but I don't think I can stick around for "the next chapter."

I'm convinced no manufacturer will pick up webOS. Why would they? What's the payoff? Sell a couple of thousand handsets? webOS needed a HUGE push to make a dent in the market. Look at WP7 and how hard MS is working to get back in the game, esp with developers.

HTC or Samsung making a webOS handset for a dead community is a waste of money for them. And good luck convincing devs this is a profitable platform. And even if the do we won't see a new phone for at least a year but probably more like 16-18 months.

I still have my SIX HUNDRED DOLLAR TouchPad. I still have around $47 bucks on my App Catalog credit. I like it and will continue to use it. I will also continue to buy apps if any devs still care to create any.

I love webOS. I've had my ORIGINAL LAUNCH DAY PRE for over 2 years! It's cracked and chipped and the volume rocker is busted and it's dying a slow death. I can't wait another year and a half for a new phone. I just can't.

I'm going to continue (or start) developing for WebOS. I still have my original Sprint Pre-minus also, and it too has a cracked/scratched screen. Someday, I'm hoping to replace it with a FrankenPre2 or FrankenPre3. I'm not gonna give up the fight. Only the truly devoted will be left.

Having said all that, I'm beginning to realize this is quite a test to "stay the path".

Just hoping something is salvageable from all this. Thank you WebOS and HomeBrew community. You are the best!

I have a glimmer of hope that there will be an announcement of deals with a handset maker in the coming weeks, but I have a sick feeling in my stomach that there won't be a deal. If HP is going to keep developing, are they going to build up the software engineering team? Mr. Kerris says the decision to stop making devices "will strengthen our ability to focus on further innovating with webOS as we forge our path forward.", which implies that more funding will go into the software (otherwise, how is the ability to innovate strengthened?).
And what chance does webOS have of getting Netflix and other big apps to support it?
I will keep clinging to my webOS devices and hope that something more comes, or else wait for Android to catch up with features like webos cards. If webOS dies, maybe the webos developers can make a webos like interface for android, the way that samsung and others make their own interface for android.

As long as HP controls it webos is comatose/dying/dead.

Kerris is doing what he must and spin-doctors as well as he can with the bad hand he was dealt by his topsy turvy top management. We can safely ignore what HP is claiming right now. Most of them don't know what's going on either.

Devs will drop webos development as of now. Don't expect *any* new apps. There might be a few small apps and some updates to reap the benefits of the firesale customers.

Anything beyond that needs a new owner like Samsung or HTC. A company already established in the mobile business with a running start to get hardware out quickly and cheaply. If that doesn't happen very soon (announcement within weeks) webos finally die from HP mismanagement.

this is the reality, tholap, well said. 100% correct.

so this was the deal in purchasing Palm: HP needed to continue the launch of Pre 2 (which was already in th final stages) launch a tablet (which they were in the beginning stages of) and launch a phone of their own to fulfil the acquisition of Palm. Now they have the software from Palm (webOS which they needed) to put on the crappy hardware which they continue to make for all things not mobile. Cause in a mobile community crappy hardware doesn't cut it and HP IS NOT ABOUT TO MAKE QUALITY PRODUCTS just to jump into the mobile arena.

I don't think that this was the plan.

The plan changed with the new CEO and top management going for a new Grand Strategy (again). And it seems that even HPs middle management was surprised.

I also bet that this is the real reason Best Buy was pissed. They got wind of HP dumping its PC business including the just introduced TPs that Best Buy was trying to sell. Disapointing sales would be a reason to re-negotiate terms - but not to cancel everything. Especially with an important business partner like HP.
But HP dropping it's whole consumer hardware division is a game changer in their relationship with a consumer hardware retailer like Best Buy.

I don't think that this was the plan.

The plan changed with the new CEO and top management going for a new Grand Strategy (again). And it seems that even HPs middle management was surprised.

I also bet that this is the real reason Best Buy was pissed. They got wind of HP dumping its PC business including the just introduced TPs that Best Buy was trying to sell. Disapointing sales would be a reason to re-negotiate terms - but not to cancel everything. Especially with an important business partner like HP.
But HP dropping it's whole consumer hardware division is a game changer in their relationship with a consumer hardware retailer like Best Buy.

Q: How can you tell when an HP exec is lying?
A: Their lips are moving

Really, how can we believe anything they say now?

Q: what is the difference between HP exec and the flying pig?
A: the letter "f"

"...it’s one that will strengthen our ability to focus on further innovating with webOS as we forge our path forward."

There's an old joke about an exec in a large company that wants the "truth" in the form of employee feedback about an idea of his. The feedback from the trenches was "that's bu11sh*t". Of course, that got "translated" as it moved up the corporate ladder - and the message was delivered as "it's a powerful agent for the promotion of growth".

Guess that sort of translation is also required when addressing an external audience - if it's done in a public forum that may be reviewed by ones' superiors. The statement above sure smells like a powerful agent for the promotion of growth to me.

oh, yeah, sir, that's exactly the kind of corporate talk, that is translated at the watercooler by regular employees into "what a f...g bull.t, f..k me, what that f..gn muppet was talking about?!"

..you might bet your life on that, been there, seen that enough in my life

I don't believe a word of it. I wanted to believe in HP and webOS, I really did. I bought a day 1 Pre-, still have it although it's nearly dead of multiple diseases. Bought a day one TouchPad, and all the accessories. Bought a hundred dollars worth of apps just to support the developers.

Can you say sucker? money is tight, I saved for the touchpad, packed my lunch every day, really saved so I could support the ecosystem... Couldn't wait for Pre3.

Who will still develop apps now? Will we ever get the ability to edit documents? What about touch to share? What? Oh, I didn't realize they were talking about the STD's we'd get when they fokked us all in the pass!

For a long time a lot of people on this forum exclaimed that the leadership of HP was stupid, inept and the like. I defended HP saying 'give them time' and 'they can't all be stupid'.... boy was I wrong! Leo MedicineMan is sofa king wee todd ed it isn't even funny, it's sad, really.

What a chance HP had to make a really great and all encompassing ecosystem that brings all our fragmented digital lives into one place... My dreams of digital Camelot just aren't going to happen.

I did figure out how to edit my novel with my touchpad! Yippee Me! Using my laptop I email my current chapter to myself and on my touchpad I opoen the email and move it to DRAFTS and save it and it is fully editable. When I'm done I can email it back to myself and copy it back into Microsoft Word.

So... I'll probably keep it even though Fry's has agreed to take it back for store credit... Nothing else has a touchstone...

Google Docs works for document editing.

I used to feel the same way you did about HP/Palm until I lost faith in Feburary.

I never liked Kerris. He continues telling everyone what they want to hear.

P.S. Hey Richard, you should have a chat with Joshua Granick about a little conversation he's been having with a certain developer. Might do you some good. Just sayin...

Up until yesterday, I was about as hard-core a webOS fan as you can get (even though I've been a vocal critic of both Palm and HP). I would be *very* surprised to see HP pull a licensing deal out of their hat, and I would be even *more* surprised if any major developers stuck around for this platform (if you can call it that now). HP has completely mishandled this, and managed to tick off and scare away both customers and developers. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES think that buying a TouchPad will get you anything but what comes out of the box. And for heaven's sake, don't waste your time developing new software for it. (If you're an existing developer, fixes or improvements are always welcome, though... :) I just don't want to see anyone else wasting their time or money on this...

Happy Birthday Homebrew... who knows, webOS might succeed and I might be able to get a Pre 3 when my Sprint Pre contract ends at the end of the month...

RIP

off topic, just hit me today. Why doesn't the Pre have a gripped side to push and pull it together. It would be a great thing to so. As i nearly have to scrap and pressure it together to open and close the phone.

This is hilarious.

I can't believe there are still some fanboys out there.

HP is going to continue to invest in webOS until it finds a buyer.

Invest means keep it on lifesupport, not continue to develop it.

It will be a small player that will buy it, and webOS will die. Or a big player will buy it and integrate some of the features into their own OS, and webOS will die.

No one will now license it from HP. They won't trust them, and why would they bother? Differentiation? No, they have 'sense', 'touchwiz' and hardware to do that.

Basically, webOS is dead and these guys are back peddling to try and maintain some future value in the investment, but unfortunately it is too late.

Thanks again for the two years of roller coaster ride. I hope we maintain the same community interaction on AndroidCentral or WPcentral.

Wowww this whole website just crashed n burned in one day

HP did drop a nuke on it after all.

If they want any confidence in webOS from consumers, they should at least release v2.2 for the Pre 2 and Veer.

Oh ... and just announce solid plans instead.

But I guess neither will happen.

If only nDrive didn't lose its gps signal all the time, I wouldn't have a reason to get an Android phone and would just use my Pre 2 (or even a 3) until it doesn't work anymore.

"... continue with these events, however, due to the recent announcements; the nature of them will change."

He's got that right at least.
They will be held in phone booths.

LOL

I'm just a common man that loves webOS. There must be a plan for it because nobody could possibly he as dumb as HP seems right now, right? Maybe?

I feel like I just got dumped by the hottest, most popular (but dumbest) girl in high school.

has anyone heard if Best Buy is doing anything for early buyers that got sqrewed like me?

Is there anyone who still trust them?

Google should immediately pay $1bn to HP to acquire WebOS. HP will find it very hard to refuse at this price, and **** the patent portfolio will be much more effective a shield against patent infringement sues.

And since both Android and WebOS are Linux based, surely it would not take too much tinkering in the next couple of years to come, to incorporate the best features of WebOS into Androind, calling it Webdroid.

Off course they will continue to develop webOS, after all Leo, Kerris, Ruby and his 2 kids are users.......... For all HP cares, you the customer and supporter of webOS can go **** yourselves.

No HP product will ever enter my home and offices again.

So does this mean if I purchase the Touch pad they will continue to support it?

No they won't.

It's pretty simple - if you like the TP *as is* for the price you can get it now - buy it.
If not - then don't.

Do *not* expect any future support from HP or a potential new owner of webos. If that happens - great - but it'll be an unexpected bonus at this point.

just posted a comment on stoney704@wordpress.com

"We will continue to support, innovate and develop the webOS App Catalog... __"

A) so that when or/if somebody else (not us) makes something that still runs webOS, they can play Angry Birds 4 on it.

B) until we all quit and/or lose our jobs

C) for the 25,000 toasters Best Buy just ordered.

D) because Ruby and the Doc are going back in time to put a hit out on Leo before he joins HP and to tell Hurd to keep it in his pants.

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