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March Smartphone Madness Championship: Palm Pre Plus takes on the Motorola Droid [UPDATE: And wins!] 129

by Derek Kessler Mon, 05 Apr 2010 9:36 am EDT

Palm Pre Plus tops Motorola Droid in March Smartphone Madness Tournament UPDATE: In the end, it was no contest. The Pre Plus struck out an early lead and never let up. Even with four days of voting and more than 32,000 votes cast, the Pre held a commanding 65% to 35% lead over the Motorola Droid from the opening bell. Congrats to Palm, and big ups to the webOS community for rallying like you did. It's over now - and the Pre Plus is the champion!

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It’s been a grueling challenge that’s seen more than it’s share of upsets (BlackBerry Tour topping the iPhone 3GS, Palm Pre Plus trouncing the Nexus One (and BlackBerry Bold (and HTC HD2))), but now it’s all come down to one final match-up. For the championship. Of the world.

Laptop Magazine’s March Smartphone Madness has come to the finals, with the Palm Pre Plus taking on the Motorola Droid (hot off of crushing the iPhone-beating BlackBerry Tour). In many ways, it’s unsurprising to see two Verizon phones going head-to-head for the championship, but we have to admit that the groundswell of support for the Pre Plus has been overwhelming. Now it all comes down to this - after handily trumping the heavily-favored Nexus One during the first round, the Pre Plus is gunning for the next-best Android phone on the market today. It’s guaranteed to be a good fight.

For this to be a good fight, we need everybody to play clean. If it's not a fair win, it doesn't mean much, now does it?. Voting is open from now until 9 AM Eastern April 5th.

(And before you ask, no, we’re not going to pin this - but we'll toss it up in the sidebar, which makes the poll appear on darn near every page on the site.)

Thanks to everybody that has sent (and will send) this in.

129 Comments

Wow - Pre is leading by a 10-1 margin right now!! (LOL - Droid has 1 - ONE! - vote)

May the best smartphone win!!!

and the pre plus wins!!

Are they going to post up an article about the win? Or not?

Thanks! Just voted from my Pre :) I will vote from every computer and phone at work. GO PRE!

does android central inbed this too? that may be why the pre is crpping all over everything else

err... wrong reply...

Playing "clean" sounds funny especially since this poll is obviously flawed.

The iPhone didn't win. Before you write me off as an iPhone fan boy, I'm FAR from an Apple fan. The company's tactics bugs the crap outta me and I want the iPad to fail miserably because of the lack of multitasking and Flash.

But, let's be realistic there. There's FAR more iPhone users than any other smart phone users. If this was a fair "vote", then the iPhone would CRUSH all other phones. I see basically 1.5 iPhones for every other smart phone out there... combined in my personal experience. Amongst my friends with smart phones off the top of my head, there's 4 Pres, 1 Nexus One, 1 G1, 3 Blackberries, 1 Touch Pro, and like 12+ iPhones.

Well, I guess in the end hopefully the Pre gets more recognition cuz I'd hate for Palm to die since I actually really love my Pre. A few more tweaks and add ons and it'd be SO MUCH better than any other smart phone out there.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. I love my pre to death, but iPhone is, by far, the more popular smart phone, and realistically should be the winner (because this is honestly just a popularity contest.)

That being said, the Pre winning is like free advertisement for it, so, GO PRE!! COME ON PEOPLE, WE CAN DO IT!!

+1

I think the poll says less about the phone and more about the communities around each phone. And I'd like to see Palm take more advantage of this community.

+infinity this.

That right there is what this is all about-- the active community that surrounds the device. IPhone users for the most part are passive in their use-- a lot of cousins, uncles and fathers who got it because they liked what they saw it do on TV and then every onceand again they download an app somebody talked about. Every single Pre owner I've met takes a vested interest in the phone and seems to know about patches, homebrew and updates. They seem to get really excited about the phone with a passion I don't see in most iPhone users.

*That* is Palm's strength-- it's community-- and I hope they recognize this.

I love you guys. ... So... Much...

i'd totally agree "says less about the phone and more about the communities". Personally I don't know if that's a compliment or not.

Yup. It's something that we *enjoy* using, and are therefore advocates of. It's a good thing, not flawed at all.

Kind of the same I'd expect from Windows vs. Linux. People who actually have to do custom things with their hardware really appreciate what the latter brings to the table. Even though rabid advocates exist, I'd say that windows users in general aren't a particularly passionate bunch, even with such huge market share.

just because your friends all have iPhones doesn't mean there are more iPhone users than anything else. If you actually took the time to look up what the most popular platform was you would see that Blackberry has way more users. And if you want to see those numbers in real life come to New York City. There is a saying at least among my friends that moved here from somewhere else, "if you live in New York you have to get a Blackberry."

Let's not forget that the iPhone got to be the heavy hitter that it is by having the simplest and easiest-to-understand interface of any smartphone on the market. Meaning it is super easy to just pick up and use which has put it in the hands of many people who aren't remotely tech savvy. You know, people who haven't even heard of websites like tipb.com, laptopmag or even engadget. Not tech geeks by any means.

Meanwhile, blackberry users tend to be a lot more business oriented individuals who would be more inclined to regularly visit a site like laptopmag.com, resulting in more votes for blackberry phones.

And then there's WebOS and Android users who tend to be more tech savvy indicated simply by the fact that they are aware enough of the smartphone landscape that they didn't just settle for the most ubiquitous smartphone available (ahem, iPhone). By their very nature these folks would be more likely to regularly visit gadgety-type websites. Hence more votes for these phones.

To sum up, iPhones everywhere but often in the hands of folks who don't know a whole lot about modern technology. Hence not nearly as many votes for the iPhone as there are iPhone users.

"But, let's be realistic there. There's FAR more iPhone users than any other smart phone users."
Wrong. Since you didn't set any parameters, that title belongs to Nokia.
EVERY poll is going to be slanted/biased in some way, shape, or form, there's no avoiding that (i.e. Engadget's polls, LMAO).

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.. and which model of Nokia phone are you comparing to the iPhone? Surely not all of 'em .. They crap out a new phone fairly often.

iPhone users are out of touch. They all glbbed over the 2G version and announced themselves "early adopters" even though most of us where already using 3G devices at .25 the cost! I stopped by the Manhattan apple store and one guy in line was bragging that he captured his own ring tone and installed it on the POS Motorola he had. So, I let him watch me capture a sound on the Treo, and install it as a ring tone. Then I let him watch some live television via sling before I left him to write out his $650 check, payable to Apple.

So it's not our fault they're waiting to be spoonfed the ipad rather than learning about ever improving industry standards and applications. They only get their news from Apple sites and apple sites don't monitor the mainstream world, just Apple and ATT.

The Poll is which Smart Phone is BETTER, not more numerous. Of the Phones in the Poll, here are those that I personally believe are better than the iPhone:

Palm Pre Plus
Palm Pixi
Nexus One
Motorola Droid
HTC Hero

Personally, the Pre is already better than the other smart phones I've tried. That IS what the poll said. Which Smart Phone is Better?

Does this really need to be clarified?

It is a poll. A poll is dependent on the number of people who vote for one option or another. People tend to vote for the device they choose to carry. Presumably they carry that phone because they believe it is "better".

Probably not a lot of Blackberry users voting for the iPhone or Droid users voting for the Palm Pre Plus.

Actually, I think it was a good point. The poll was which smartphone you think is the best, not what you currently use. Some people can't get the Pre because of contracts, or it's not currently on their carrier of choice.

The majority of the iPhone users are non techy. So they don't surf these type sites. Or just to busy playing a "fart app".

+1 for this.
I think that's the huge flaw of putting polls like this on sites like precentral or engadget, etc. It only reaches a small minority of the actual people who own some of the devices.

I'm sorry, you are wrong and double wrong. The poll isn't on engag or pre central. It's on Laptop Mag. You're just seeing stories about it, it's not a Palm or precentral poll.

So, you're right in a sense as Palm and Moto don't make laptops and apple does ( a lot of them) and that actually is not fair to the non iphone players.

But it triple underscores how out of touch the apple crowd and 'apple media' crowd is that they got horsewhipped in round one by a company that does not make laptops on a laptop oriented site despite apple has outselling competing phones by magnitudes, not percentages.

No one was "horse whipped" - the poll results don't change the bottom line .. You just don't see iPhone users get worked up into a lather over a poll. They know what they know - That their phone is the one they like. No need for confirmation

The followers the Heaven's Gate as well as Jim Jones supporters had all the answers too! :) This was billed as a "tournament" so surely a few of those overwhelming millions of enthusiasts could have taken a minute to answer all "one" question there was in the "poll".

Anyway, not fully convinced Pre is the best device overall, but glad WebOS is at the victory banquet. It's great today and still has room to improve and develop.

Alright so there are more iPhones. What does that say then when the iPhone loses out in the early rounds?

It means iPhone users aren't as passionate or knowledgeable about the product as much as Pre users are with WebOS. It seems to me that since as you pointed out, everyone has an iPhone, then that everyone includes the casual, the technical illiterate, and the dumb.

This poll speaks volumes for WebOS and the community.

It's not "cheating" or "fanboyism" -- don't they call it "greater mindshare" these days?

"but we have to admit that the groundswell of support for the Pre Plus has been overwhelming."

You are only kidding yourself.

My inbox disagrees.

lol I'll bet you have been slammed. Hang in there, this is the last round!

Of course, you are part of the staff of a Pre oriented website. Don't expect a barrage of Droid oriented emails.

Given the amount of Pre support with a much smaller user base, one thing is clear. The Pre users are (per capita) the most supportive of their mobile device!

Yet we're also the most critical. Poor Palm has the best yet paradoxically the worst type of fan.

agreed. Reminds me of "Give a pig a pancake"

This is not going to be pretty. Pre is and will win.

their catching up fast

they're

woops

Not really. The percentages are getting closer, but the vote margin has been pretty constant.

I did a post on the last one Droid vs Tour. Go and check it out. John is bashing Precentral.net, and that we only talk about multitasking, 3d games, and how the phone fits in you pocket. Other people are also complaining that we are double posting, because you can vote on both precentral and laptopmag. How simple minded are these people? They should give it a try, they will find out it says you already voted. Btw if that were true, they could have voted for their phone to win.

Thank you for the sidebar addition. And may this be a clean fight and the Pre Plus crush the Droid.

sorry. Accedental spam

Stop refreshing or hitting back on your phone.

aha yeah I figured that out. I'll just wait to refresh to see what people are saying

The auto-refresh thingy is the biggest cause of my double posts. I know it's an issue with the Pre because the same thing happened on a different website. I solve it by going back to the home page and coming back in again.

thanks for the tip

Interestingly enough, there is a patch to stop the auto-refresh. Works wonders when you want multiple web cards open. Not so great during Woot-offs though...

@crissd00d
We got it, we also have until April 5th. No worries I already voted, and my wife did also. Both from our Palm Pre's.

we should get crackberry to put this on thier site, and vote for the pre for revenge

great idea!

Lame x 2

-1

The Android Army is mobilizing... catching up! Be sure to keep voting all day as best you can!

Come on people! Palm needs our help! Winning would be a good advertisement and we all now that Palm needs it!!!
Ask all of your friends, colleagues, relatives to vote for the Pre.

IN A WORLD OF DROID
PRE DOES IT BETTER


that should be their new slogan lol.

+1

PREferred by those that make up their own minds and who do not fall for marketing gimmicks.

IN A WORLD OF DROID
PRE DOES IT BETTER*









*According to the Pre fans at PreCentral, even though there are MILLIONS of unsold Pres in warehouses around the world.

How sad must your life be that you have absolutely NOTHING better to do with your time than to troll a blog for a Phone OS that you don

How about the followers of the Pre who spend their entire evenings and most likely, the entire weekend trying to find ways to cheat and vote on a stupid poll which means nothing, just so that the Pre Plus comes on top. How pathetic is that?

We really don't work at it that hard. Don't have too because we have a superior device.

How about the trolls like you who spend their entire evenings and most likely, the entire weekend trolling to say nothing. How pathetic are you?

This isn't a Good Housekeeping poll. Its run by a technology company that knows how to prevent ballot box stuffing. You're in a forum devoted to Pre products. Yet, you don't offer any evidence that would suggest why the droid is a superior phone.

That makes you an Orthodox level Troll and means your assertations and blame generally lack substance. For somebody that does not like the Pre, you spend a lot of time in all of these threads. TALK ABOUT PATHETIC?

Have a great and BITTTER day and a wasted weekend bashing a phone liked by people that discount you an online rodent.

The inherent difference, is that as sad as that dedication of time is, it's a dedication to something they feel positive toward. They like the Pre, they love the Pre, they want it to succeed.

You, on the other hand, are simply full of hostility and negativity. You don't set out to push for something you like in a positive way, but rather to put down what others are enthusiastic about. You'e a sad, angry little individual. Someone like you can't have much happiness in their life, and for that you deserve the pity of everyone here.

yup and droidfags are NO WAY cheating cause they are sweet little angels and are to innocent to break the rules. Amiright?

even if no one cheated, the pre would still win by far

I really don't get why people overexagerate when the truth is already bad enough.

There are not "MILLIONS of unsold Pres." As I recall, when the numbers came out, it was just over one million. One million is already bad enough. Doubling the number was unnecessary.

I believe the 1.15MM number was an estimate from an analyst, ditto the "six months" of inventory. Considering "Thinker" was in here spreading manure from Deutsche that had VZ selling out the 600,000 units they initially ordered (despite cancelling 200,000 well before launch) and looking for more, I think we need to consider all the reports and take a general average.

I'm guessing Palm has a 3-4 month inventory and cant think about a a new device until they get down to about a four to six week supply. And considering they cant trump an ATT launch by announcing a new device, I doubt we'll hear anthing concrete until ATT proves to be a bust, or gets beyond their launch buzz. If next device is 4G, ATT wont be in that game anyway, so they need to hit their homerun early for Palm's sake.

+1

This is similar to a thread I started a while back.

Palm doesn't do everything the Droid does...
...Palm does everything the Droid does, better.

http://forums.precentral.net/cross-platform-chat/229773-palm-doesnt-do-e...

I took my friends Droid and voted for the Palm Pre!! LOL So now he cant vote and im going to get to his laptop later.. LOL

LOL That's good s**t right there.

I'm taking everyone's phone & voting, a simple "Hey, lemme check out your browser" will sufice.
....and if they have a "dumb" phone I install Opera Mini (m.opera.com) so that I CAN vote, that way they get a nice bonus for their time.
win-Win-WIN!

At Palm we don't do smartphones, we do them better. That just reminded me of the BASF commercials a long time ago.

@caricortao,pathetic?why would you say that? it's an open online poll, i'm sure Droid users are doing everything to win. It's like the Preplus is(spartan worriors) vs the mighty Droid(persian worriors). We're a small community&very pride of our phone.WebOS,is the future,so we have to defend it. We preplus owners we might be small, but with our community,we're strong. It's no cheating here, we believe that we got a better phone(webOS),so we gonna vote,& do everything to win.

+1

it's not cheating lol... It's like we say in the Marine Corps... ADAPT & OVERCOME lol

Hey guys,

I will vote for Palm again but it will not last long.
After receiving 1.4.1 update I'm very disappointed.

1. My phone is slow without 800 MHz patch. I'm angry on palm that they can not push any from Mhz patches live. If 800 Mhz is in their opinion not safe, let's release at least 600,650,700 patch whatever is possilbe and would be stable. It would help for sure to make our experience better ! Even when I scroll music, contacts it is just slow now !!!
After going to 1.4.1 I again receive a lot of TO MANY CARDS message. I have to restart my phone few times daily. It is not acceptable !!!!! It was fixed by WebOsInternals !! Palm should take lesson from them.

2. I'm supporting PALM, showing phone to friends, saying it's good. But I feel PALM doesn't care last days !!!! WHY THIS ERROR TO MANY CARDS IS STILL THERE !!! Why PHONE IS SO SLOW. You have more contacts, more music, more apps and phone is getting slower !!! PALM should take a risk and release CPU / kernel patch in next release let's say 1.4.2 ! Otherwise phone feels outdated, it doesn't catch up ! It's to slow ! and what more is slow and unstable (TO MANY CARDS OPEN !).

3. I think - If PALM will not introduce new phone im jumping into EVO. No other choice. Think PALM think !

Sorry for to many exclamation marks but I feel left by Palm (I'm on sprint, we have old Pre, it is what it is, they left us).

Best Regards,
Michal

You could only claim Palm left us if a different carrier gets first dibs on the new hardware coming out later this year. But because I fully expect to be able to get a Sprint Pre Plus on our 1-year anniversary, I think you'd be wrong.

I would also gleefully accept a Pre Plus PLUS, or (my secret wish) a Pre Plus SD. Guess what the SD would stand for?

-1

Get a grip dude, the Pre is a first issue webOS phone that IS getting better with age and updates... Chill the F out or please do the rest of the community a favor and leave.

My 2 cents

OK. Enjoy TO MANY CARDS OPEN forever :)
Accept everything and never say a word of critic.

Issue with cards is there since a long time, looks like WebOS Internals group was able to do something with that. It's amazing Palm seems not to consider this issue as a real issue.

Maybe it's a feature then :)

and maybe you need to read what I said before you come back attacking me and telling me I need to accept critique (which by the way is what you were trying to say there but failed with bad English)... I said this is the first iteration of the pre... Things have to start somewhere and if you cannot accept it for what it is without complaining, then go switch asap so you can stop contributing complaints to the posts... As an engimeer, I know for a fact that when you design something you should stick to the design limits... What the internals did is taking a chance on going past the limits... They did a great job, but like everyone is warned, do the patch at your own risk... That's why palm hasn't done this themselves. Its not that they haven't considered it an issue, its that they cannot risk burning up equipment. People like YOU need to chill out and realize this... By the way, I have a Sprint Pre and I do not get the too many cards warning... Must be something you did

OK. I agree, I overreacted. I just have had bad day with my Pre :-) But I did a reset to fabric settings and now it is better, we are friends again :)

However I still hope Palm will present new handset soon.
I still believe WebOS is the best mobile OS, however PALM needs new handset, visible hardware improvement which will attract new users. I wish to see new handset in Sprint, not Palm Pre Plus in Sprint. As you have said - if this what we have reached design limits - then we need new handset to jump into the next level.

PS. And of course I'm waiting for 800Mhz patch for 1.4.1.

Best Regards,
Michal

My phone was also running sluggish before the update came out. So before I applied 1.4.1.1, I gave my phone a fresh start by removing all patches/themes, and Doctored my phone to 1.4.

After about 15 minutes of setup (phone re-syncing with google/yahoo, and automatically re-downloading all previously installed apps), I updated to 1.4.1.1 and re-installed everything else I had on it.

The phone runs much faster than before, and I have yet to get the Too Many Cards message.

You might want to give it a try before you start throwing in a towel.

HOLY CRAP!

Android Central is actually encouaging voting multiple times.

"...The poll closes April 5, so vote early and often...."

http://bit.ly/aBC2i7

Stinking cheaters!

On a completely unrelated note, has anyone found a way to pull up the poll on a Centro? Blazer won't seem to pull it up. :-D

Centro? People still use those?

I've got my vote in :)

@Caricortao you know its even worse that you had to take the time to make up a screenname on a site you don't even support just to put it down... Now if that's not a troll, I dunno what is... Oh and I have a family and 2 kids to take care of, plus am a full time student at an ivy league school while working part time... I don't have time to be on precentral all evening and weekend... But I still support Palm and their underdog efforts 200%... You are an uneducated droidinistic pig

+5 Education

If you use Twitter, tweet this:

The future of Smartphones, Palm Pr?: http://3.ly/Vote4Pre

...any connections you might have with celebrities that use a Pr? might help to get their followers to vote.

BTW guys, this matchup runs ALL WEEKEND and ends Monday morning at 9 AM.

I REALLY want the Pre Plus to win and I know Derek and Dieter do, too. It's just that 50+ hours is a long way to go. I know you said you wouldn't pin this post, but I think you need to. Hear me out.

The mobile site has no side bar and if this post gets pushed down much further (it's already 3rd), visitors making a beeline to the mobile forums are likely to miss it.

Weekends are also slow news days. What's the harm in pinning this to the top if nothing else is going on? If the C40 or Flash gets announced, then by all means park that at the top and leave it. But if something light comes in instead, bump this post back to the top at the end of the day.

yeah when I got on precentral mobile it said the poll was on the side bar. I didn't see a sidebar or poll. And you can't vote on the mobile site now. You have to go to the full site. It's gonna hurt the votes

The margin continues to climb... we're up by over 5800 votes now. ... And Android Central doesn't even have the poll pinned in their sidebar.

Keep the ass kicking going .... as silly as this whole thing is, one thing it should prove is how much the small user base supports Palm and the WebOS platform..... that should speak volumes to Palm / Analysts etc.

nm, it works now. never did before

This just in: Giant slain by river stone.

Now see, I almost got over it, and you bring it back up again! ;)

...I have this fear...that I might accidentally reach into my pocket, pull out my Pre+, and skip it across a stream, or a lake. Crazy? Yes...yes I am. But I have fond memories of skipping stones across the water...something my Dad taught me as a young boy. Every time I walk along a mountain stream I have this urge to find just the right shaped stone...and fling it! Well, one of the comforting things about the Pre+...other than it's great UI, web browsing, game play, synergy, etc., is it's shape! It 'feels' like a river stone to me...which is comforting to me I guess. Oh well, pray I can resist the primitive instincts that tempt me!

And big WOOT for the Palm Pre+ for pulling out the victory in the March Madness poll! Does this portend doom for Duke tonight?

wow Android site has nothing on the contest... are they sore about losing?

Would you post about it if you were them?

Honestly Yes but I'm of the mind of fair press LOL which doesn't happen now a days

pre|central is open and honest about bad news for Palm. WE even have "DOOMCasts!" Looks like Android Central are a bunch a sore losers.

WOOOHOOO!Pre Plus is the Champion, with it, the Palm community is Champion. Way to go everyone!

woot. Next year: pre2 vs droid2 ! Same results!

As I said before, big doesn't mean better. Small things do come in bigger packages. WebOS os packed a big punch. It's the future of mobile OS, so it's just a matter of time others catch up. Once you experience webOS, you will never go back. I think the Pre will do good with AT&T because, it will have flash,& iphone lovers will get it just for flash,& it's muti-tasking.

I knew we could do it! I just didn't expect that we'd win in this bad!!! If you guys feel like laughing, check out some droid friendly sites and go look on their forums... They are PISSED cause they lost. Most are trash talking the Pre and saying the win doesn't matter but it's clearly bugging the frak outta them ;)

Well, uh, the win doesn't matter. It was a popularity contest. ;-)

agreed but put it this way.. If they would've won, i'm sure they would've thought it matters... It's easy to say it's just a stupid poll when they lost. You know what i'm saying?

NOW let's all contact adobe about flash player . We can show them just how good WEBOS is and liked. Tell then to read all the reveiws WEBOS got Tell them tom go to LAPTOP mag NOW NOW Before they erase the coments. If someone can leave a link for flash and say we want it now!! WEBOS is here to rule..

Perhaps now a certain carrier will wake up and begin promoting and selling the WebOS device they have, which is apparently a whole lot popular with its user base than that other phone they carry.

I would be surprised if a company selling cell phones reads a magazine about laptop computers?

I hope Laptopmag does some kind of write-up on the Pre winning. All they've done is post the results.

I know some iphone users and they want so badly to get another kind of phone. Just because there are more iphones out there doesn't make them better and plus the iphone has been out alot longer.

I'm glad the Pre won, go Palm!

Although I wish the Pre had the Droid hardware ... hopefully the Pre2 won't disappoint on this regard.

Ciao

Here are the top 10 things people want fixed on their iPhone (taken from a Facebook survey Most wanted ever | PleaseFixTheiPhone ) I didnt make this up people.

Multitasking
Ability to view Flash content in Safari
Ability to sync without wires or bluetooth
Unwanted standard iPhone app icons cant be hidden
Notification of missed calls and sms messages
On screen button to shut off wifi - bluetooth and cellular signal
Larger capacity battery
Different views of home screen -Swipe up to change view like Palm OS
Better camera with flash
Customize and change text alert sounds

The Top 10 Things the DROID Doesnt Do That Palm Pre DOES:

Droid can

That was the "Noid"... "Avoid the Noid", one of the dumbest ad campaigns ever.

The Noid was lame, but I loved the claymation animation.

"A lot of the above issues can be resolved just by buying a Palm Pre."

You'd be substituting one phone's problems for another. The Pre has plenty of faults too. Maybe switching to pre gives you a better camera but then you have to deal with pre faults like, very few good apps, no itunes sync, crappy music player, short battery, no virtual keyboard, bad autocorrection, less gigabytes etc.

I've never understood the obsession with iTunes. I don't find it to be any better a media player than any other. Back in the day it was pretty much the only portal to legal music downloading, but that day has long since passed.

"I can

My final thoughts and then I have to go:

I just tried using my Palm Pre as a WiFi Hotspot Router with 4 of my buddies. 2 Iphones 1 Droid and a Blackberry Curve. They were very impressed. Can your DROID OR IPHONE DO THAT?

There is talk of a new device coming from Palm in the coming months. I predict that it have all wrappings of the Palm Pre + to include the following

Free Wifi Tethering for all carriers (Not just Verizon) Why? Because Sprint has an inclusive deal with Clear to offer 4G WiMax service. The service is already up an running in Houston. The next Pre WILL be a 4G phone. This is the reason Sprint is Hush Hush on their next Pre Phone. Yes I prefer 4G over another 8GB of memory.

5MP camera
MicroSDHC memory card slot for extra storage (support for up tp 32GB)
Flash (Built-In)
Voice command and recording
HD video recording
VOIP support
Over 8000 apps by the end of the year.

The reason I believe the SDHC card was initially left out was due to the magnets of the Touchstone charging base and phone back.

Interesting theory on the SDHC and magnets.

I've used my phone as a mobile hotspot for my friends and their Droids before as well. What little smack they talked about my phone has since ceased :)

I agree with a lot of what's been said concerning this phone. The main point to take from this is that there is a very strong community that is backing up WebOS and there are many of us. It will be foolish to continue to ignore WebOS. I am hoping this win does something for Palm, in that we may hopefully see developers bring WebOS higher on their list of priorities.
(We still have no apps from banks!)

To be fair, most Bank apps are glorified portals tot heir websites. I have no trouble with online banking from my Pre just via the browser.

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