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by Riz Parvez Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:29 am EST

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With the unfortunate and oddly-timed announcement that Epocrates will be ceasing to support webOS early next year, individual healthcare practitioners as well as enterprise managers in hospital systems may be wondering whether webOS devices are a viable option for them moving forward. Well fellow providers, take heart! As it turns out, there are plenty of fantastic medical reference resources still available on the platform. Read on for a tour of all the tools you can still put in your "doctor's bag."

Lexi-Comp ON-HAND Lexi-Comp ON-HAND: The folks at Lexi-Comp stepped forward Facebook to reaffirm their ongoing support of webOS. This is heartening because even when first released last year, Lexi's solution (read our detailed review) had significantly more depth of information than their now-departing competitor. Also, with the RAM bump of the Pre+, TMC/Memory handling issues are no more. In revisiting the app since that review was written, fit and finish have certainly improved. The rubber-band side-scrolling issues have been addressed, and load-times throughout are much better. The bottom line still remains, Lexi-Comp's depth makes it feel like "med school in an app." Lexi-Comp's reference app is available for free as a 30-day trial, after which yearly subscription packages start at $115, with vendor or facility discounts also available.

Pepid PEPID: A lesser known contender, PEPID is also a full-featured cross-platform medical reference suite, with detailed information suites tailored to Emergency and Primary Care physicians, PA’s, NP’s and EMT’s, as well as a myriad of different packages and guides for RN/LPNs. In addition, they offer a standalone pharmacy guide, student guides, and healthcare licensing exam prep materials through the interface. While the trial was limited to their toxicology reference materials, I found the depth of information to be quite good. Navigation however was a little more cumbersome than in Epocrates or Lexi-Comp.

Outside of those two more comprehensive options, there are a slew of excellent lightweight (and often free) medical reference and utility apps from Palmdoc.net. Dr. Alan Teh, (palmdoc on Twitter) is a Malaysian physician who specializes in hematology-oncology & stem cell transplantation, uses a Pre, and is a vocal evangelist of the webOS platform. He's crafted several specialty webOS medical apps:

DoseCalc

Drugview: this free app is a fast way of accessing multiple online drug formularies. Following Epocrates’ departure announcement, Teh added back a mobile view of the Epocrates database to Drugview. So if Epocrates was your end-all be-all, this’ll get you there much quicker than the browser.

MediPDA: a comprehensive set of medical calculators, organized by subspecialty.

OncoPDA: a collection of Heme/Onc algorithms. (Did I mention Teh specializes in Hematology/Oncology?)

Dosecalcfree: Need a quick check of MG/KG dosing? This is the app for you. A convenient lightweight app designed to use calculate dosing by BW or BSA using a persons height and weight.

Stroke: a standalone app for calculating NIH Stroke score. Big buttons with no scrolling make this very easy to use in the clinical environment, and each question has an info button with extensive detail on scoring the item.

eMedicine Viewer

Eponyms: A classic from the days of Palm OS, this app (which was indispensable to me during med school) provides rapid access to definitions of over 1,700 medical eponyms.

eMedicine Viewer: an app which provides rapid access to eMedicine's expansive library of medical topics

ICD-9 and ICD-10: Quick reference for ICD billing codes.

As you can see from the list above (which isn’t exhaustive), even today there are lots of fantastic applications available. Palmdoc.net and Lexi-Comp have also mentioned more great stuff on the way:

Shots2010: From Dr. Teh, this Ares-built app is likely familiar to former PalmOS and Windows Mobile users. It provides a quick reference for the 2010 immunization schedule. It’s currently in private beta with a plan to be released for free into the app catalog when complete.

Classic Porting: It’s obvious that Teh continues to be active in the community. His future development plans are focused on porting over useful Palm OS medical apps that were previously only accessible via Classic.

Lexi-Comp Updates: In speaking with Lexi-Comp, they note that active work on their webOS application continues, including a hybrid version with faster performance and a better user experience in the next month or so. How's that for commitment?

So there’s plenty of excellent medical applications available to the webOS user. Even without spending a penny all of the information Epocrates had provided is readily available. Heck, even the paid disease reference information Epocrates never brought to webOS is more than made up for by the offerings from Lexi-Comp and PEPID.

What’s more, with the release of stacks in webOS 2.0, the smaller, single-purpose apps are able to shine like never before. This is important because no one wants to be sitting in the ER waiting while their doctor is scrolling through a launcher and loading apps. With webOS 2.0, clinicians are able to create ultra-efficient stacked workflows with all the tools they’ll need for a clinical encounter running and visible on one screen before they even enter the room. When you think of it that way, is there a better platform to use as a physician than webOS?

Don’t get me wrong, the impending loss of Epocrates is a significant blow to medical professionals using webOS. Their app was stable, fast, and intuitive where it really counted: in the field. While I truly can’t fathom what reason Epocrates would have for making their departure announcement less than a month before CES, announce they have. Time will tell what comes of it.

I continue to hope that there are calls being made from HP to Epocrates trying to bring them back to the fold before they leave for good in February, but even if they do depart it’s comforting to know that there’s a wealth of resources still available to help us webOS users working in healthcare get the job done right.

49 Comments

You forgot Vision for WebOS for Visual Acuity Tests

Once WebOS gets more users Epocrates better not try to come back!

you gonna beat them up after school?

ROFL

Awesome picture! Love it!

Just another signs of a user base hosed by Palm/HP. Other vendors are sure to leave just like they have with every under-supported or dead OS. Nice going, clever boys.

+1!!

when is the pre going to die?
We need a new line of phones already. Thinner bigger screen. I can't take my oreo effect phone anymore!

Don't worry. Palm will introduce several new revolutionary devices in the coming months.

Santa Clause Does NOT exist

I really don't comments like this, if you wanted a different style phone, why not get it? There was bigger screen phones on the market when the pre launched anyway.

Theirs a lot to moan about, but moaning about form factor you knew and brought isn't one of themmm...

On Sprint? It was really slim pickins at the time. The Instinct wasn't a viable option. I guess that left the TP2, which wasn't that great of a phone, either.

When the Pre launched, I really believed it was the best all-around phone in the world. Sure, the blackberry had a better keyboard, and the iPhone had more apps, but as a complete package? BB touchscreen phones blew at the time (think BB Storm). iPhone OS was dog-slow at the time, notifications were awful, and text input was atrocious. Don't believe me? Try an iPhone 3G and tell me if you want to throw it out a window.

At this point, Android, iOS, BlackBerry, and Windows Phone 7 (yes, Windows Phone 7) have eclipsed HP/Palm and WebOS. I don't know if it was the integration with HP, or lack of resources on Palm's part, but Palm just couldn't keep up with the innovation of their competitors.

Don't believe me? Use your 30 day return window and test out the Epic or Evo 4G. But only do that if you are ready to ditch Palm, because you will never go back to your Pre after a few weeks with a modern smartphone.

@Londontom:
Because those different style phones don't run WebOS.
I guess it's my fault because on the day i decided to buy the pre i thought to myself, "Hey the pre has to play catch up and release new hardware within a year. Since Sprint gives me the option to upgrade in a year i'll just upgrade to the latest webos device then!." Boy oh boy was I a fool. I knew i was in trouble when their next hardware released was the pixi(without wifi) then the plus versions.
... so dumb.

So dumb...so dumb....so dumb...so dumb... They're climbing in your windows and snatching your people up....

hide yo kids, hide yo wife, and hide yo husbands cuz they rapin everybody here.

"We gon' fiiiiind you, we gon' find you"


LOL! +1

Thx for the :D

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Epocrates is like the kindle of medical apps: everyone already convinced each other that nothing else will be good enough. Heck, maybe the "relatively low interest" they were talking about was a result of everyone using the other options presented here. Sorry Epocrates, you lost to Lexi-Comp.

The headline should really say:

Moving on from Palm: your options... ?

I decided to just test out the Epic 4G when it came out to remind me why I love WebOS and will never switch to Android. My launch-day Pre is now sitting in a drawer someplace. I don't even remember which drawer. What I do know is that I never want to see that dog-slow, ugly-screened, flimsy-hardwared Pre ever again.

Will HP/Palm come out with a device that can compete with the top Android devices "in the coming months"? Maybe. But I'm not sure I care anymore.

WebOS was great and all, but I've kinda gotten accustomed to the switch from, "Oh, please please please dear god, was someone kind enough to make a WebOS app for __________?" to "Oh, I'll just download one of the several Android apps for ____________. Someone obviously made it for the top-selling smartphone platform."

Epocrates is pretty neat, by the way. I downloaded the Android app to give it a spin.

It occurred to me the other day that the level of hostility by epocrates is not about interest, but about HP. HP already is in the medical tablet space. Perhaps HP's integrated cloud services will include one of epocrate's competitors and this is sour grapes. Or maybe epocrates is about to go all DataViz and get bought by RIM or Google. Note that they still support palmOS--that's a clue that this is not about palm's market share and more about HP, which doesn't own palmOS.

It occurred to me the other day that the level of hostility by epocrates is not about interest, but about HP. HP already is in the medical tablet space. Perhaps HP's integrated cloud services will include one of epocrate's competitors and this is sour grapes. Or maybe epocrates is about to go all DataViz and get bought by RIM or Google. Note that they still support palmOS--that's a clue that this is not about palm's market share and more about HP, which doesn't own palmOS.

Don't kid yourself. A comprehensive and up-to-date drug reference requires a lot of effort and a significant backing from a major player in this space. If I'm looking for a drug-drug interaction, I would feel much more comfortable knowing that I'm using the most popular database available for this kind of search. I would want to use the one that everyone has heard of and most everyone uses.

as a physician, this is a bummer, but I'll make do. Love the graphic by the way, and @palmdoc is amazing. He's made many great apps to help, including date calc and date diff calc that help you calculate post op windows, # of days since injury/surgery. He's aweome and quick to respond to questions.

HP Palm Acquisition = "I will by your WebOS, strip you down to your skivvies, and throw you out of my getaway car at 80mph, while you grip your PALM PRE hoping for salvation."

HP bought PALM for the WebOS "Intellectual Property" not to make phones..

C'mon guys... rent the movie Pretty Woman, in case you need it to be explained to you visually.

*Pours out his 40oz (or his 8oz Sunny D juice box... just to be PC) for Palm PRE*

ROFL @ pouring out some Sunny D for the homies. Too funny!

One giant resource that was not mentioned is Google Health. We have been putting all of our medical history in Google Health since it was introduced. They recently made a switch from Flash so that the data can be viewed on the Web OS browser.

It is very convenient when going to a new doctor, because you can write a PDF to your desktop/laptop then print it to give to the doctor's staff instead of filling out all of that paperwork! If you have one of those new HP e-printers, you can send the PDF via e-mail address to the printer from your Pre. It's also great for linking to your pharmacy and the meds list will be updated whenever you get a new med or a refill. Some physicians will even allow linkage to your medical records.

If epocrates wanted a better usebase maybe they could of opened up the app to more people besides just physicians and medical students. I really wanted to play with this app but couldn't because im no doctor. It needs to verify your medical status before even launching it. Plus most doctors have blackberries anyway because of mail being so secure.

But if they wanted to change their target market, wouldn't they do that across platforms? And wouldn't the ratio of interest on webOS vs other platforms be the same? Or are you suggesting they change their target market for webOS only?

Ah...but here's the key.

Epocrates IS....STILL...SUPPORTING...PALM OS....

So if they are "abandoning" Palm, why are they still supporting the "truly dead" Garnett 4.x??

1. I have no way of answering that without seeing their install numbers.
2. Did they say they didn't get enough "Palm" users or "webOS" users?

If they have enough of an install base running Palm OS I could see them continuing to support it. Again, I have no idea what their install base is on either platform, but according to them, there isn't enough interest on "webOS" for them to continue.

BTW, I still see more Palm OS devices in the wild than I see webOS devices. Could just be my surrounding here in Atlanta though. So who knows? Maybe they have enough Palm OS users to make it worth their while? No idea really.

They don't want to expand their userbase of non-clinical users. Their advertisers are largely pharmaceutical companies who aren't going to pay such a high premium for non-prescribing users.

It's been about a year and a half and we are still saying things like "once they release new hardware the app developers will come" or we are blaming developers for not creating WebOS and suggesting that they are too dumb to cash in on an easy audience.

We need to face facts, unless something earth shattering happens, the WebOS app catalog will never ever have the size, options or even be competitive with iPhones and Android.

I've been promoting, hacking, evangelizing my Sprint Pre since launch week back in June '09 and I'm sadly giving up. Over the next few months I'll look to see if Sprint has something for me on Andriod or I'm just going to go for the iPhone. I'm tired of having a fringe device that I have to tell everyone how great it is when the companies that make, sell and develop for them can't seem to effectively sell it.

Yeah, but once HPalm releases new hardware, the developers will come and there will be a flood of apps.

I want to see a pole of how many people plan on jumping ship if HPalm does not announce new phones at CES.
... I think i'll be one of em cuz i don't know how much longer i can take my pre with the oreo effect. I have dreams about it snapping apart, no joke.

Don't get an Epic then. That thing has more oreo new than my 18mo old Pre-. :/

You need a category for leaving regardless of CES. i'm leaving next year when i can afford it but CES is pretty much irrelevant. Though they need new hardware that's just a small thing for me. it's lack of apps and features in the os, and attention to detail, that bothers me. Short of a massive upgrade not announced in 2.0, many other things i'm not mentioning, and a shit ton of major new apps CES won't change my mind.

I honestly hope that I am wrong and that you are right. I'd love to see WebOS getting the flood of apps that it needs to be competitive; but with each passing day I just feel like the window of opportunity has already passed and they missed it. Again I hope I'm wrong because I love WebOS; but a great OS without a competitive app catalog just isn't going to stand a chance. Andriod has proven that app catalog wins over OS in terms of sales.

Lexi-Comp costs beaucoup money, while Epocrates is free for the most part. None of the other programs you mentiond come even close to Epocrates as far as drug info is concerned. The Pre and WebOS are dead to pharmacy and pharmacy students. iOS reigns king for medical professionals thus far. Palm blew their chance at retaining us, have fun selling phones to 14 year olds. I'm sure they'll buy a truckload of shitty ported apps.

You are exactly right. lexi-comp is expensive compared to the free version of epocrates. The free version Epocrates was so complete you really didn't need to pay for a full version. The suite Epocrates provided to entice you to pay for the full version was good but nothing you couldn't download yourself.
Lexicomp is originally for pharmacists (they make text versions) so yes it is more complete but more cumbersome too. Epocrates was all about efficient look ups and very up-to-date info even back in the b&w palm pda days. Looking up drug interactions was perfected on point-of-care apps like epocrates.Epocrates can be used in web version but it is still too slow for daily use.
I have backup iphone 4 (hate looking things up on a virtual keyboard and lack of multitasking is painful) so I will still have epocrates but this lack of support by Epocrates REALLY infuriated me as as physician.

PEPID is offering a $40 discount to ease the switch from epocrates - just enter promo code SWITCH at the checkout.

Hello folks. No worries if anyone leaves the party. Homebrew is amazing and the community is amazing. If they won't come we'll build 'em ourselves ;)

lets get a jumping ship poll going, then "in the coming months" have another poll of those that came back. I would love to see how that will look.

Keep an eye on the marketshare and mindshare numbers over the next few quarters and that should give you a general idea.

lets get a jumping ship poll going, then "in the coming months" have another poll of those that came back. I would love to see how that will look.

I think HP/Palm should intervene to keep epocrates on webos. Epocrates is a flagship app for medical professionals, Lexi-Comp doesn't even compare. I've used this program daily for the past 12 yrs and will definitely move to another platform even before my contract expires if epocrates is withdrawn.

I'm curious as to what type of medicine the author of this article practices...and also what kinds of specialties other webos users are practicing. I'm just an m2

I'm a family doc, who did jump to Android (Samsung Epic 4G) so that the rumored Sprint WebOS2 update wouldn't leave me suddenly without Epocrates Essentials & Skyscape 5MCC. boy was that an unfounded worry!

2 words: ANDROID SUCKS

(compared to the ease of the WebOS user experience).

I tried it, and found LexiComp too clunky to use in clinic or busy hospital rounds, and I just don't have the confidence in Pepid's database or interaction programs to risk patient's lives on it. Epocrates largely replaced the pocket Tarascon books with most docs I know, and has the confidence of being the "gold standard" now. I think LexiComp has an equal reputation for reliability too, and is certainly better for in-depth info, but is well known for being hard to quickly extract information.

So now I have this giant Android phone that IS easier to read, with it's gorgeous screen, and easier to hear people on (though the volume patch on Pre helped that problem a lot). HOWEVER, the dang Android mishmash is always beeping at me, or never beeping at me. No nice unobtrusive easily-set in-between like Pre. And unlike Pre where I could look at the message on the lock screen, still, the Android has to be "unlocked" and gone into the messaging app to see the message. Want to view your Yahoo calendar or see Google Calendar events? Try finding an Android app that will mix them all like WebOS does. Not happenning, and REALLY annoying to have to experiment with App Market this and that apps for such basic tasks that are SWEETLY integrated in WebOS.

As for the vaunted bigger App Market, most of it is garbage, medically speaking. There is not a single app that approaches the usefulness of PregTrak on PalmOS. (Or OBTracker on WebOS, if it gets finished). There are some medical calculators that are good, and the obligatory vision apps. PalmDoc and a couple other developers have EASILY filled the calculator/vision app needs in WebOS to be just as good as Android. (However, Android does have about 97,000 more Sex Girl and Sex Tips apps, in case there are any budding Sexologists out there who need more of those than the WebOS App Store provides).

For me, it is all about Skyscape (5MCC) and Epocrates available on Android. My patients and I deserve me using the best tools that I can quickly access, without waiting for dog-slow or absent internet access to provide the needed info. Otherwise I would have returned my Epic in the first month. And talk about slow OS updates - my Epic has been waiting for the promised Android 2.2 upgrade to unlock features (from the inital AOS 2.1) since it came out in August. So nothing to brag about there!

iPhones and Blackberry? AT&T dropped calls are legend in our rural area. An outdated OS for BB, that is annoying most docs I know once they try ANYTHING else. I rarely see new BBs now. My partners with BB have not been too happy with them lately, and one of the 2 already switched to Android. My partner with AT&T/iOS was asking about Android last week, too. Phones are no good if you can't actually talk on them! Sure wish I could show them WebOS like I used too, but without exception, everyone's main requirement for a medical phone is Epocrates. Sorry WebOS, and hopefully HP can get Epocrates back on board soon, so I can jump back to WebOS ease of use!

Since ePocrates'announcement I have been looking into other alternatives. As I've written on other sites I am frustrated that ePocrates will not only no longer support WebOS development but will DISABLE the app on WebOS devices in May 2011. Like others I speculate that the obvious reason is that ePocrates will be bought out by or merge with another tech company that is HP's rival.

This article is great summary of the options out there for healthcare professionals. As for myself, I have loaded Lexi-Comp's app and will be trying it out for the next several weeks. I have used their printed versions in the past and have liked how loaded they are with info. Of course, it is more expensive than the free version of ePocrates but if the UI is easy, info complete, and allows me to continue to use a WebOS device then they have earned my business.

BTW, nice plug for Palmdoc.net. They are a great site and resource for docs, especially those using WebOS.