New HP videos show new devices and their best features [video] 112
by Nathan Mylott Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:57 pm EST
HP’s marketing efforts early on already seem far more promising (or at least they feel that way) than the much criticized efforts of Palm back in 2009. The company has released another great video (it was previewed at the Think Beyond event) about all of its newly announced webOS products, along a trio of individual videos for each device. It shows all three of the new gadgets and their best features in a well done, professional video that gets the point across clearly and quickly. Check them all out after the break.
Source: YouTube
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your mobile site should have links to youtube, because my palm pre don't have flash and I can't watch them
Oh, the irony. The sweet, sweet irony.
Lol. Oh man that's horrible. I'm glad I upgraded to an Epic back in November. Do I like Android better than webOS? No way. Do I like the Epic more than my Pre? Yes. It mostly has to do with the screen size and app selection. I am still holding on to the idea that one day HP will make a touchscreen only phone that has a 4 to 4.4 inch screen. And it would have to be released on Sprint of course. Here's hoping...
You're lucky to have the tube. It is "non-existent" here in China, so I've missed out on a lot of the goodies ...
*Now* in S,M,L?
I hope the L is an unreleased slab phone that gets announced in MWC and they add the Magnum, I mean XL as the touchpad.
this is what would have made it a homerun.
S=veer
M=pre3
L=slab (evo/droidx)
XL=touchpad
Yippppeeeee....! THERE ARE NO SLABS IN HP/PALM PRODUCTS ! SLAB CLONES HAVE LOST THE WAR AT HP/PALM KINGDOM.
Or
S= Veer
M= Pre 2
L= Pre 3
XL= 4" Slab
XXL= TouchPad.
More choices are better for the consumer.
+1
And don't forget-
Smedium= Treo+ (Pixi form factor with a 3.1in screen!)
That too! And a landscape slider (not a fan it just seems some want it).
In 12-24mths our ridiculous expectations could actually be realised. All of you have glossed over the leaked smaller tablet (7"?) due release in "the fall", not a fan of non-global date references.
"the coming months" is temporally adjacent to "now"... I don't see what your problem is?
I'm hungover. The event was great, the pre3 and touchpad are great but I'm starting to feel the side effects of HP's "in the coming months" formula.
Hmmm...
On June 6, 2009 I bought the Sprint Palm Pre and was told that in the "coming months" I could run Adobe Flash. I "shelved" it in early October 2010, when I ported my number to an AT&T iPhone 4 which can't run Flash either. After owning my iPhone for only 6 hours I realized that it does everything (and more) that the Pre did, and did it better, faster, easier, and was a lot more "polished" to boot. I thought that the Pre would eventually catch up to the iOS device but, sadly, the iPhone, Android, and even Windows (oh, God no!) have outpaced the Pre. BTW, How's that Flash working for you?
When I saw the promos for the S, M, & L devices along with the customary "coming months", "this summer", "soon WebOS will be able to ..." I thought to myself, "Oh no, not this again? Is today Groundhog Day?" I shook my head from side-to-side and whispered, "Good luck!" By that I mean "Good Luck" to all those who purchase WebOS devices under the HP name. And just when I thought that Palm could never make something as bad as the 700p, I chose to make my next device the Palm Pre, or as I call it the "Palm 700p, Jr." I admit, I was wrong! R.I.P. Palm!
Flash is working about as good for me as it is on your iPhone. How's that multitasking working for you? Oh wait... you don't have that... Oh and how is it paying twice as much for your service as me?
you are so stuck in your tiny webos world. when you jump on a real phone, come back and talk.
That may be so. But he is accurate. The iPhone's multitasking isn't real. The apps have to be updated to work with it. And obviously, neither have flash but at least the new webos device will have it. iPhone will never have it because of Stevie boy.
Doesn't webOS 2 have Flash? You could always get a Pre2 now or Pre3 later if you absolutely need Flash. With iOS, there's no 1st party option for Flash.
Ha - funny thing is, we do have flash. Its called opening up the SkyFire browser app (in the app store, not jailbreak) when need be. That means, when its not youtube or a variant of - you can copy the link to the site that has the flash video you want to see. Then, when you open the skyfire app, it immediately ask if you want to open the copied URL, select yes and you're off to viewing all your Flash pleasure. So, fact is, the iPhone does have flash right now - and you don't. I really don't see the big deal with flash considering the amount of times I open the Skyfire app up anyway. Most video and music on the mobile web is optimized for viewing on the iPhone (not specifically) anyway.
I've tried that app on my iPad. It barely works. It doesn't work with a lot of sites. Specifically, the ones I use. It only works with some videos. Not flash apps.
Now, I didn't say it was perfect either; although it works most of the times I've had to use it. However, it is a workaround to viewing flash content (to some degree) on the web. I didn't mean to be misleading either, but just that I was pointing out your "neither has flash" statement when technically it is WebOS that does not have flash. iOS does - even if its just to a certain degree. And what flash apps are necessary considering the amount of apps in the app store? I'm not understanding your point to that extent.
Well, there is this speedtest that I find to be more accurate than the ones in the appstore. And I need to use a lot of flash apps for school that were made years ago that definitely won't be in the appstore and the developers of them may not even be around anymore. Pretty much every single website I need for school is in flash.
That sucks - but I go to school to and yet I'm not that flash dependent. Unless you mean you teach and you use flash apps because of that. Nonetheless, why would you think an iPad was for you if you knew the situation it wasn't there for your flash needs?
The reason it doesn't work well is that it's not playing flash... It's converting the flash video, which is slow, buggy, and causes artifacts to be introduced into the video. There are sites that let you do that on WebOS phones, but it's sort of worthless because of the aforementioned.
I don't like it on my Pre+ or my iPad. as an owner of both OSs, I gotta go with WebOS. Maybe it's because it has the apps I want, and it's so configurable.
But other ppl are right. the Pre2 is on VZW this week, and it does flash AND html5.
That's fine. And its your opinion - however it doesn't go without saying that current generation devices don't do it at all. I still will say that I hardly use it. There are many more plug-ins that aren't flash that work just fine with the iPhone. Anyway, I don't understand it when you hold webOS up because it has the apps you want when iOS clearly has all those apps and more. Furthermore - you can do quite a bit of configuration to the iPhone if you jailbreak. And to me, after installing Preware on the Pre and jailbreaking the iPhone 4, these are both comparable solutions to the drawbacks of the OS's in their original form. And honestly, jailbreaking is easier yet it is a bit more frustrating when you have to wait for the next version of the jailbreak to be released after Apple releases an update to iOS. This obviously won't happen on the Pre (for now) as Palm and as I understand it HP too both support the internals community and what they do. Hopefully they don't change this relationship.
Okay iOS fan. Thanks for talking the iPhone up. This site is for discussing Palm products (and now HP products). There are plenty of Apple fan sites out there where you can talk up the iPhone and how great it is. Now get...
Actually, I'm in the same exact boat as gopostal - and my service w/ AT&T (for two iPhone 4's) cost me $13 more a month than with Sprint. Yea, you could do the math and highlight how much money you're saving. But to be honest - to finally experience what product support is really about is more than worth it; plus I get an awesome device at the same time. Yes, WebOS is great at some of the things it does but I think promises were broken just like gopostal pointed out. You can be the brainwashed individual and think HP Palm is looking out for you if you want but since moving on I really can't say I miss WebOS a lot. Sure, there were some great things I wish iOS could do that WebOS does better - but that goes both ways if you're being honest with your self. And to clear up your multitasking statement - iOS does it just fine for me. You'd be surprise how card style multitasking becomes just another way its done after using iOS. For starters, I don't even worry about closing down apps since the battery life on iPhone 4 trumps any WebOS device out now. I mean, just think why you're so worried about the multi tasking style you have - its because you need to quickly be able to close those apps down so they don't eat your battery up. iPhone 4 - sorry man, but it doesn't drain the battery down or make the phone lag - AT ALL. And when I feel like shutting apps down I do. I honestly find myself shutting apps down with iOS because I just want a certain groups of apps down there to quickly toggle in and out of, not because I'm trying to preserve battery life or fix lag issues. Hopefully you understand that there are real reasons people have iPhones that doesn't involve unicorns, Jesus, sheep, and clones; as the jokes insists. The iPhone 4 (my only iPhone ever) is truly an outstanding device; and that's coming from a guy that still has much love for WebOS.
That's great, just great. Bye, please leave.
I hate Apple fanboys.
funny, everyone I spoke to who went from a Palm Pre to an iphone 4 or EVO never speak of coming back....
but everyone who owns a palm pre.... well that's another story
A friend of mine lost his Pre couple of months ago. Since there was nothing new from Palm available (on carrier) he decided to try the iphone. Of course he liked it. The iphone is a great phone if it is what your looking for. But he says he´s missing webOS. And he is now waiting for the release of the Pre 3, he´ll get it with his wife account, and he´ll give her the iphone.
The iphone 4 was released a year after the Pre, so it´s gotta be a "better" phone. But some people still prefer to sacrifice specs because of an OS. Of course most of us would´ve moved to the Pre2 if it would´ve been available.
But the question is: what are you doing here anyway? I mean, I can spend some time in the sites about the OS of my likes, but I wouldn´t waste a second in the site of an OS I don´t like. Don´t you have better things to do with your life?
I was somewhat like that for the first few months after transitioning from WebOS to iOS, but after while - my take on it evolved into just being involved in both worlds. There is give and take on both sides and I think that's where the comparisons need to be made; it's not a one sided situation at all.
As an iPhone 4 owner and previous Pre owner, I stuck around precental and checked out other webOS news with hopes that this thing can finally get into direct competition with iOS. With Android as iOS's current competition, I really don't see where Apple is being pushed to become more intuitive because Android just doesn't bring everything together smoothly. I believed it would take the elegance of WebOS to push iOS to compete on that level but at this point we'll probably never see Steve Jobs declare war on WebOS; he simply doesn't have to (for now). As long as Android is the competition, he just continue to highlight it as fragmented as he'll never want to implement some of the things that - I admit - Android does do right. But hey, me hanging out with the WebOS guys still is a good thing because it helps me focus on the things I want from both worlds (WebOS and iOS).
I did the Evo for the 30 day trial. I came back to the Pre. There were a number of us, but now you can say you know someone.
What a dick! Go away and make sad love to your precious iphone. Leave those of us who are aware that Palm/HP have a better vision of hte future and are bring us towards it.
If I was an iphone fan I would not wast my time on any other forum AND... as a Pre fan I never even look at iphone sites, let alone leave comments.
Go away, loser.
Good start..
As long as they expand on it, this is great start.
They need to add that little "light circle"
(that acts as a finger touch, like when you first got the phone the little tutorial they had)
So people know that there is a gesture bar there!
So when people go in store to try it out they wont be lost on how to make it work...
They need to educate people on how webos and the gesture bar work!
agree..put up ytube links instead, or make them release flash support for my minus - your choice :)
im a loyalist to webos. the only thing missing is investment. people have to be convinced to invest. marketing will be key this time around...
HP is bringing a pretty clean cut approach to the marketing here, and i think it may pay off at least in appealing to businesses.
the veer seems to be displayed in a feminine light in this video of it, the pre3 in masculine, and the touchpad a more professional unisex. i assume this mainly based on the music and color.
if they are aiming to appeal to sexes with one device more than the other, they may be limiting their own products. alot of ppl complained about the pixi & its femininity...
eithery way, whats important is HP's reputation. that will count for something. standing out counts for something, but the problem is the blackberry playbook.
sticking to the design of the earlier palm devices seems like a good call. most smartphones i can think of are squared; stone pebble is palm's thing.
interesting: knockoffs like the kin & the playbook means palm did some things right in the first place. it seems HP is aware of these things..
lol agreed abt the link... It really suks to be on a Pre minus right now.
I assure you Pre+ owners suffer the same...
youtube links please, or flash for my Pre.
I'm watching Battlestar Galactica on my computer ATM ;)
it really sucks to have a palm for the coming months. i don't know why someone hasn't ported webOS to another device yet.
Because I'm very happy with my Pre-, and none of the other devices is right for me. I've seen my friend's EVO and that thing is a monster (not in a good way). I've tried various Android devices and they just lack the ease of use of WebOS. Windows just plain looks weird and kludgy to me. And I'm not switching carriers (at the moment anyway) to go to iPhone (although, I'm not terribly motivated to get one of those either).
So, I'll stick with my Pre- until a better WebOS device comes along. It does everything I need it to.
Sorry, must still be waking up, thought you meant to move to another device/OS, not get WebOS on something else.
HP really needs to leave the Palm name on these Items, their already losing some elegance. In 5 years you might never have heard of Palm devices. Not really what we want to occur.
Palm name doesn't matter anymore.
Honestly with as poor of a launch that happened with the original round of webOS products it might work out better to have a new start with HP branding. It will help to distance it from those problems. Don't get me wrong, I'm sad to see the Palm name go. I have had palm devices since before smartphones even existed. But maybe it is better to just have a fresh start. I'm pretty sure that's what HP is thinking.
Yeah, I'm with you on this. It makes me sad, but *if it's done right,* a subtle rebrand could be a deft move at this point.
I like the new line-up, but I don´t understand why they didn´t include a virtual keyboard on the Pre 3 and HDMI output on the Touchpad
Homebrew community will take care of that. If nothing else, that's the one key ingredient that HP has that Apple has refused -- outside ingenuity in patching the OS for individualized experiences. Note also that many of the homebrew patches were ideas that were eventually integrated into the official upgrades. I like the direction that HP is taking this -- just wish there were more devices and more choices and all coming much sooner (like, running down to Best Buy this afternoon sooner)!
unfortunately the virtual keyboard from the homebrew community is not good. (This is not a knock on the home brew community - they rock). But the virtual keyboard just plain stinks. It's buggy and doesn't work all the time.
The new touchstones are rumored to have HDMI out.
i feel like hmdi should come out of the TS........
I’m not sure... I travel a lot, and an HDMI output on the TS would mean I would have to carry my TS everywhere, and I wouldn’t want to
Also, regarding the 1.5 update for older devices, HP would have to consider if they build this update for overclocked or non-overclocked phones. Since I don’t think they can consider we all have our phone overclocked, they would have to build an update that would bring little to nothing new if they want a Pre(-) or Pixie(-) to be able to handle it.
Not true. Based on the performance of the Veer at only 800mhz, it is quite likely that the optimized 2.x OS would work quite well on +/- phones from yesteryear.
The Veer has more processor and more RAM. The original Pre hardly moves 1.4 without overclocking, at least not the way it should. Anything you add would make it go slower.
I don't think you realize that the new OS version uses the built in GPU and makes the OS run faster on current devices. I think that other issues are driving the lack of update.
Wow, the music is a pain... Other than that, nice stuff!
I agree, the music is awful.
Actually, I love the music! If you grew up in the 80's listening to any kind of new wave/synth pop, you'd recognize it as OMD! I can understand if it wasn't so hot to those who weren't familiar with it, but it's actually kind of cool if you remember it!
Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark!
What a flashback to the 80's. Although I would have gone with Depeche Mode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Z9jSvT3hc
taking the p1ss, no flash
honestly it sort of reminds me of a power point presentation.
WTF I can't watch it, no flash!!!
They should focus on giving us our migration path to WebOS 2, or at least, trying to smooth things over with the upset user community at this point. New customers will come for these new devices. If I did not have another 15 months under my current contract, I'd be looking at Android devices right now.
No, they shouldn't. The community does not comprise even 1% of the market. Why should they care? We all knew what we were buying and have enjoyed it. Stamping our feet and screaming 'You owe us!' is absolutely juvenile.
There is no need for a migration path to 2.x - it would be nice, but why should they waste resources on supporting 'old hat' when they obviously DO NEED to focus on succeeding with a line up of good products.
Face it, you bought an aging platform too late in the game and it has been superseded - welcome to the smart-phone world.
Go buy an Android phone, or complain to your carrier until they swap your WOS phone for one...
They didn't owe us a migration path...UNTIL THEY PROMISED US ONE!
I'm with you in that I'm not a fan of a false sense of entitlement in general. Especially over something as superficial as tech.
But first off, this is a commitment they explicitly made to users at the end of last year when they said webOS 2.0 would be released as an update to existing devices. Failing to deliver on a promise like that, which some may have used to make purchasing decisions, does not shed a favorable light on HPalm to users new or old.
And second, what small user base they have now is faithful. The best (and potentially worst) advertising is word of mouth. Keeping the devotion of even a small seed of passionate users could help grow something great while turning them away just taints the waters and makes going forward more difficult as that nagging voice keeps heckling from the back of the room.
If ~1 million Palm phone owners. [underestimating if you ask me, someone said there were 2 mil WebOS devices, owing to attrition.] is 1% of HP's market, that's good news. 100 million WebOS devices sounds good to me. I think it's less than 1/4 of that, at least in the next 1-2 years.
The videos refer to world class apps. HP needs to look in the App Catalog, unless it is planning to write world class apps, it won't find many available. In every category, I have found better apps for my iPod than are available for webOS. How about some business apps, like a financial calculator from Power One or a true navigation app from anybody?
I am giving things a couple weeks to shake out before deciding whether to move to the iPhone. Not getting webOS 2 OTA was a big disappointment. HP can't afford to take months to figure out what they will do to get its current user base to webOS 2. If there is going to be a trade-in program or some kind of rebate, tell us now. If the plan is to get us all on Pre 2s, don't make us burn an upgrade to get it with the Pre 3 around the corner.
Come on, HP, you and Palm have given the current users enough bad news in the last year. Now is the time to surprise us in a good way.
dude I feel you. I have been having my upgrade available since october and I have been loyaly waitin for hpalm like old yellar waiting for jimmy to come home. Hopefully I don't end up like yellar and get shot in the face by hp
ironwill989...I don't know how to tell you, but...Jimmy fell down the well. :(
But don't worry, Lassie found him and told someone who would listen and he's living happily ever after at Lassie's place! :)
Disclaimer - This story is fictitious and should not be applied to actual persons or phones living or dead. ;)
Same boat. Can't believe I sat on my upgrade for this nonsense. Too much BS from HP last Wednesday to stick it out any more.
So...much...fail...
I can see no reason to believe things will be any different this time.
So...much...fail...
Flash was a 2009 promise. Document editing was a 2009 promise. New devices should come out not less than once a year. I have had my Pre for 18 months and I can't even get a replacement for when it dies (which it might do any day now).
So...much...fail...
They announce the Pre3, which looks really nice but isn't even a top-of-the-line phone today (although the processor is great) and then tell me it's at least another six months away and even then maybe not on my carrier.
They show the Touchpad. Looks good. But again, not absolutely top spec even today and not coming out for six to nine months. Worse?!? It is running webOS 3.0, which *doesn't have a gesture area* so it really *isn't* webOS, now is it?!?
So...much...fail...
Anyway, this is all waaaaaaaaay too far away to be meaningful right now. There will be 3D phones out by the time Pre3 launches. It's over guys. Time to pack up and move on.
So...much...fail...
Finally, they say, no 2.0 for you, so document editing and flash will *never* be coming to my phone. I honestly think a class-action lawsuit may be order. Anyone know a good firm?
So...much...fail...
Why? We're not even 1% of the market. What is there to gain by making us happy? Not much...
Did you not read that HP will be supporting high-end apps by offering freely developed support for large companies should they not want to invest their own dollars?
HP is a world-class company with global influence, something tells me they know exactly what they're doing.
Even Palm knew what they were doing by selling big ideas wrapped in empty promises: they were treading water until the full dollar-potential of the company could be realized for a profitable buy-out.
Want a Pre2 - upgrade. REALLY want a Pre3? Wait - we all did the first time around. Or just go off and get something else, you're the only one holding you up.
There's actually one good reason why HP might want us onto 2.0 ASAP - apps.
App devs need a platform to distribute to.
The next generation of devices is not here for a few months - and then starts at 0. So no dev can make money from that yet.
So it's in HPs own interest to get us onto webos 2.0 nowish. Either by giving us 2.0 on our old devices or make us offers that tempt us into getting the Pre 2.
That way there is a market for devs to sell to.
3% is not a big market share - but it's way better than 0%.
I think the following might work in everybodys favor:
Offer a trade-in program where any owner of an old Pre or Pixi can trade it in for a Pre 2 for - say 50-75$. The Pre 2 comes with a coupon that gives you a rebate of 50-75$ for a Pre 3 when it comes out (can also be used to get a Veer).
That has a lot of advantages for everybody.
We get a fixed Pre for now - without having to worry too much that we might want to get a Pre 3 in half a year.
HP and it's carrier partners get rid of all the complaints and returns about those old devices. HP holds on to existing market share and can built on it right away.
Devs have have a sizable 2.0 market within weeks not months.
In the short term it will cost HP some money - but part of that is marketing cost (the program will create some buzz and produce free articles on tech sites) and all of it is good investment into their grand new platform.
Damn - I'm brilliant. ;-)
I support this idea
Not sure who you mean by the "we" that is not even 1% of the market. Do you mean that the current webOS users make up only 1% of the total smart phone market? Therefore, HP can alienate all of the current Pre and Pixi users and still have 99% of the market to fill in the loss. I have been in retail a long time and I haven't seen anyone use that strategy successfully.
I did read that HP will be supporting high-end apps by developing them for other companies. They failed to mention if the new apps will be released in "coming months" or "coming years." But, at this point, they aren't even vapor ware.
I have used Palm products since the Palm III in 1999. At that time, if your Palm product developed a problem, customer support would send a replacement overnight. We have come a long way from that kind of support and concern for current users. Which is why I get frustrated with the current pattern of over promise and under deliver.
I don't really want a Pre 2, I want webOS 2 as we were promised some time ago. You're right, I can wait for the Pre 3 to be released "this summer." But, the President of HP told us 2 weeks ago that the company would no longer announce products that weren't ready to ship. A week after his speech there was a big new product announcement from HP and none of the products were ready to ship. I guess he didn't mean it.
You are also right that I am the only one holding me up from leaving Palm. I hope, like many of us, that HP may read this stuff once in a while and listen. Just in case they do, I want to give them some time to act before switching to something else.
Yep, The PR department @ HP is in full on Bull Shit mode........
I thought the "world's best apps" plug was a bit of a stretch. Let's see... this is lie number...
I'm gonna try to hold out till Nokia gets that WP7 handset out. I don't care what HP comes out with, I'm not gonna support these @ssholes anymore, too many lies.
and thanks to them, I have now developed a hatred for the phrase, "in the coming months" My fiancé said we're gonna have a baby in the coming months and outta instinct I punched her right in the face.
you hear me HP! You made me punch my fiancé!
very nice, lol, that one made me laugh for bit
perhaps then you are not ready to be a father
hp needs to pull an apple: show the phones features up close in action
WOW! Why has hp changed the format from youtube to a format that their own devices don't use. Come on guys. That's like Sprint having a free data plan for only GSM devices.
enough is enough. DAMN!!!
Uh, that would be because they are marketing to people/businesses that don't already own WebOS devices. While we in the community can be either their best friends or their worst enemies, their marketing department will not rely on us either way -- they'll do their own thing, which involves putting Flash videos on the HP website. (Notice that putting it in Flash does poke a stick in Jobs' eye as well...)
Sold.
My girlfriend and I will both take a Pre3.
Thanks!
Pre3 already out-dated by many devices now and what will be out in June/July.
Really? Such as? What is out TODAY that bests the specs of the Pre3?
ughh.. who cares?
specs don't matter
if the device performs the way it is supposed to, then that's all you need.
In fall, HP will release the Pre "Me Too"......
I have a nasty suspicion that they won't be releasing the Pre3 on Sprint. This will be bad for their business because I will not be buying a TouchPad if I can't get a Pre3. I'm not switching carriers either. I've got 4 lines for my family with overlapping contracts and I'm not going to upset the apple cart by switching.
I'm sure I'm not the only person in this situation. HP, get a phone to Sprint soon!
You absolutely are not the only person in this situation. I'm hopeful that the 3 will be available on Sprint for all the same reasons you mention. I have a Pre-, my wife has a Pixi-. I got her that one so she could learn WebOS and be able to operate my phone as well. It would be an absolute crying shame (and somewhat of a matrimonial disaster) if we had to change operating systems. WebOS is easy to use, but not necessarily easy to learn for a neophyte like my wife. From what I understand, Android is even harder to learn and use.
The Pre 3 should be a sure-fire chick magnet with the HP logo on the back of what looks like a large bar of tar soap.
So true!!
The Veer should come with discounted coupons for Pampers or Huggies since it's the perfect size for a toddler's hands.
Sorry HP, if as we were told, these products were available in the next few weeks, I would buy both a PRE3 (if it was on Sprint) and a touchpad. However, since you are falling back on your "in the coming months" BS again, I will have gotten something else by then.
I would have even overlooked the fact that you flat out lied to us about getting 2.0 on our pre if these devices were available now.
I cannot see myself ever buying an HP product again, as it is clear that HP is a company that is not capable of being honest with it's customers. I also am a tech consultant, and I can promise that no customer of mine will be purchasing an HP product through me, as I can't tell them with a straight face that their product will be supported.
+1000
THIS
Good lordy people. Look, so the damn thing doesn't do flash.. Yea yea they promised it... Whtever... The OS is loads above anything ellse out there. For months you guys bitched about hardware... Look we got hardware now.. And GOOD hardware too. Remember it took apple 4 iterations before it came out with a front facing camera. We now will have a good processor and a good sized (bigger than apple) screen towork with. Would I like to see it before summer? Sure, but hell my contract isn't up for 10 months anyways. Be patient, they are goin to release in summer. They aren't going to make that mistake again. Apothekar said no paper launches. They simply don't have the pre and touchpad ready. Would you rather have them release a shit product? My guess some of this wait is for apps. The veer won't run many big namers, but they want to have a solid app base when the phone is ready. I'm sick of hearing you bitching and complaining. Stfu and leave this forum already and go to your damn evo/epic/ishitphone and I will laugh at you when webOS surpasses you in are or 3 years. HP knows marketing, it may be a slow start (a very good start however IMO) but they will get there.
Agree! WTF is up with all this whining? I remember the whining competitions on the Palminfocenter forums, I can't help but wonder if there's something about Palm that attracts all these whining people to the brand? How old are you anyway? 5?
Yes, new products arrive all the time, older products get dropped... I have flash on my Pre2, works fine, but I wouldn't die if it didn't. I like using my Pre2. It handles nicely. It doesn't have to do EVERYTHING. I don't expect it to.
Try making something useful and constructive instead of feeling sorry for yourselves! If you are not happy with your Pixi/Pre+/-, get another phone.
It's really not all that complicated. If it's too hard for you though, why don't you go whine at a lamppost or something?
Is Grace Lee the most common Korean girls name? My cousin's name is Grace Lee!
Aren't these the same videos that were posted on Palm's website on Feb 9th when these products were announced?
This just makes me want all of them..
As disgruntled as I am with my Pre- not being supported anymore, I must say these videos are hot. If these products were out now they'd be getting a lot of impulse buyers such as myself. Unfortunately, come summer the landscape will be a lot different than it is now.
Also, I guess I'm one of the few who can live with his Pre- not getting 2.0. I still love my phone and it's in great condition. I will happily use it for the next few months until the new ones come out and maybe even longer. I jumped ship for an Evo for about a month and just couldn't live without a physical keyboard and the elegance of WebOS.
I know I'm in the minority here but I can't wait until summer!
one thing was the hardware. yes that's true, but i was thinking they would have some new and improve software features other than what was showed to us previously on 2.0 .If they was more innovative with the software, i would think the hardware that was presented wouldn't matter so much. making the software more intelligent with all the apps communicating with each other along with VOIP assisting with the OS, this would have been so far superior to them all. I still believe.
There HAS to be a slab phone coming soon!!! Pre3 is awesome but that isn't enough...
Honestly. The level of suckage here is unbelievable. What a POS.
OK. For everybody that wants to whine and complain about 2.0 on your Pre or Pre Plus, quit your whining, find it, and install it. It's out there. It's not quite a finished product, but for the most part it works great (other than no O/C kernel, although it can be boosted back up to 600MHz)
If you don't want to do that, then quit your whining and wait for the amazing products coming. We've seen them. It takes time to work out bugs and solve engineering problems. If you want a quality product they take time to make and test. Not to mention they also have to go through mass producing the devices, which in order to make enough for a large-scale launch like they seemingly want to do, it takes time. They don't magically appear out of thin air, people have to build these things.
Anyway, I'm done ranting, I'm just sick of everybody crying like spoiled babies the first time they're told "No".
That song in the Pre 3 video sounds like a cover of the song "Messages" by Ganymede. Wonder if somebody at HP happens to be a synthpop fan. =)
Well, if it matters, I'm pretty geeked about HP getting the marketing machine going this soon.
Did anyone else see the HP "Everybody On" ad right before midnight (EST) during Saturday Night Live tonight? I swear it was 90 seconds.
The TouchPad was featured prominently, as was the Pre3. Showing the Pre3 tapping the TouchPad at the outset of the commercial was AWESOME! Showing the TouchPad while actually seeing how incredible Facebook looks on it (while scrolling), and then the next frame saying, "HP webOS. Your world seamlessly connected" was also a nice touch. Heck, there was even a later shot of someone watching video on their TouchPad while receiving an 'incoming call' message.
And for all you "slab" lovers, the Pre3 actually looks pretty adequately sized while in a real person's hands (showing the capability of the front facing camera).
Showing this commercial and how all of HP's products and technologies will work together, is a great first step in getting people excited about HP's new stuff.
I have to say, was the shot of tons of boxes being shipped out of a warehouse some kind of not so subliminal message? I know, there was that little note on the bottom at the end about "Pre3 and Touchpad coming soon", but still...
At least this gets more than us webOS diehards on board, and on board EARLY! Way to go, HP! I'm ready!
Heck I have been wanting to own a pre from day one but only now is the Pre 2 available on Rogers in Canada. I was soooooo close to getting it but with 3 year contracts up here in Canada I just knew I wasn't going to be happy with the PRe 2 over the next 3 years. So yes... I upgraded to the iPhone 4 and yes it is a great phone. However, its not sooo great that I wouldn't leave it for a webos product. It would just have to come in a timely fashion. Had the Pre 3 been out now (which lets all agree it should have benn) I would of made the switch. BTW, for those who don't use iOS.. the multi-tasking, although not true multi-tasking is so fast that swithing between 2-4 apps is a breeze, very fast. And the screen is 2nd to none...
I have waited almost 3 years for webOS.. I can wait another couple until they actually offer something great, at the right time. I will be using the smartphone for the rest of my life so I really just need to be patient I guess.... :(
Maybe interesting for german users: For the first time ever, HP has mentioned the new devices on the german website too! Although a click on the link on the main page leads to the US-"Palm"-website, it seems (and I very much hope so) that HP plans to bring the devices to market at the same time all over the world! Yay! ;-)