New webOS Based Hardware Coming This Year? 145
Palm’s failure to gain traction with variations of the Pre and Pixi in several key markets, including the crucial North American market, has been troubling to fans and investors alike. The handsets are compelling products to be sure, but it's quickly becoming apparent that jump-starting the company’s sales efforts may require the release of a new flagship device to increase consumer mindshare against current (Droid, 3GS, et al) and future (refreshed iPhone, new Android devices) competition.
According to the Wall Street Journal (subscription required), Palm is well aware of this fact and is actively developing a new handset (C40, anyone?) for release later this year. This, in combination with a better-executed launch on AT&T later this year, could will hopefully help.
This probably isn’t a terribly shocking revelation to many as it’s generally been anticipated that Palm would release updated hardware around the time the original Pre was released last year on Sprint (June). The real question is this: Can updated hardware and new carrier partnerships get Palm back on track to realize its sales goals?
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At long as the new hardware lands on Sprint, I'll be happy.
As long as it isn't exclusive to Sprint. What a huge mistake that was last year. >_
I agree, they should release this next phone on Verizon and Att. A CDMA and GSM 1-2 punch. Then 3 months later, everywhere else.
Actually, they need to get away from carrier exclusives altogether and release simultaneously on as many carriers as they can afford to supply product to. That will prevent fence-sitters from delaying purchase and keep the cash flowing.
+1
Other than Sprint & I will not buy.
Double edged sword. Was thinking about this the other day why Palm didn't go the all carriers route, was probably because Palm didn't have a choice. While more carriers can have a broader reach, Palm simply didn't have the cash to push them like that, so the carriers held them by the neck and will only carry it if they got exclusive. But by the sound of things in North America the idea of a "free" phone is so hammered into consumer's brains and there's simply no way to push no-subsidy phones.
Here we are sir, the iPhone, and the iPhone killer. We have hundreds of millions tied up on exclusivity with the iPhone, but frankly, I'd rather sell you this start up phone with no video, a 40 app limit, 36 free apps available and 90 minute battery. How many would you like?
iPhone's different. Remember what an iPod is? Apple is smart in this. They built an user base, then basically sell the iPhone as an iPod with phone functionality (well it is, really). So essentially it's just like selling to existing customers with a new model with a tad bit more features.
And one thing Apple had and Palm didn't: cash.
Now you may argue Palm has a Palm OS user base, but webOS is such a dramatic change over and a complete change of focus for the customer base. That's potentially where the marketing geniuses at Verizon came up with that stupid mom ad idea. They were like "oh, Palm OS was all for geeks, we need to change that, let's sell it to women!"
You are right, iPod made it an easy sale. iPod was a way of life for many people in many demographics and it turned an electronic toy into a fashion statement. More usable than any mp3 player, more elegant than any Walkman Sony ever turned out and a nearly intuitive interface in a technology that was executed terribly before apple showed up. Apple didn't need cash to make it work, but it certainly helped.
But my point, ATT sold their soul to get Iphone. Lauching Pre there would have been stillborne.
+1
Exactly the problem that happened with the Pre. They made a weak carrier pick up the Pre and Verizon prevented their existing customers from jumping by saying "it's coming". In the meantime, Android hit and Verizon pushed that as their primary phone. By the time Palm landed at Verizon, much was already lost....
For a small company like Palm, carrier exclusives are a God send. Properly done, the carrier can pump big promo dollars into the product to give the the buzz that attacts attention Palm needs. When the exclusive carrier knows that they're not promoting a phone that other carriers can sell while leaching the publicity the paid for, it makes it easier for them to spend the money. I don't think Sprint did enough of this, but considering that Sprint is the same sinking ship as Palm, and seeing how bad Palm did on their own, it should have worked better, but Sprint was their best choice for the six months they had it.
Nobody would know what a droid is if ATT carried it too on day one.
Except that those exclusive agreements come with subsidies from the phone companies..
are people going to adopt the new palm phone at a greater rate if they have to pay 300-400 for it?
"Subsidy" is merely an advertised price to sucker people into long contracts as most consumers don't look into real cost. They are too hammered into the concept that phone are "free".
If you talk about real cost of ownership, it's a whole different story.
Example in Canada, say a phone costs $600 retail, but you can get it for $199 if you sign a 3-year contract (it's universal in Canada here). A typical smartphone plan with the usual features costs $70. They have comparable retention plans for about $50, about $20 difference, and that's per month.
Assuming I can call in to retentions after activation approx 6 months down the road and successfully get a retentions plan, I'm looking at $20x30 months of savings, and that already exceeds the phone discount. And one major difference here: I'm not on contract so I'm free to cancel anytime.
Subsidy is just a number game. And the consumer always loses.
Maybe things are different in the States, but that's definitely what I'm seeing here in Canada. This is what happens when competition is lacking.
If they had released on V or AT&T sales would have been even worse!
By releasing on sprint they released into a carrier with 4 other comparable smart phones and at a hugely affordable introductory rate for data and voice. If they had gone with AT&T they would have been directly pitted up against the iPhone 3G and 3GS (no contest who would have won that one). On Verizon, they would have been pitted against the growing Android movement. They may have had a decent chance but the hardware issues would have become much more public causing major burns in Palms reputation.
Now they are releasing revamped, sturdier hardware on Verizon. They probably executed this to late to take on the physically more powerful Droid but only time will tell if they can dig out on Verizon. I don't think the Pre is even going to make ripples on the AT&T front because Apple will release a new iPhone this summer with the rumor mill for it ramping up right around the Pre's release.
Yeah that's what I've always thought. Though at the time there weren't any Android phones on vzw. But maybe Palm knew they were coming.
And as far as the next iPhone, from what I've gathered, it looks like Verizon might be the candidate for that. So that would leave a gaping hole with AT&T.
And then what does Palm do? Go to AT&T with their bad service but large number of subscribers (who just might be moving over to Verizon to follow the iPhone) or stick with Sprint with their ever dwindling customer base (though I switched to Sprint from Verizon to get the Pre, and I'm pretty content with Sprint, especially every month when I get my bill). I still think they should stick with Sprint.
Though the idea of a non-exclusive, multi-carrier simultaneous release is quite appealing.
Its as simple as that. I would believe that was the major factor in their decision to go with Sprint. It was an issue with getting the most out of their money. Its like deciding whether to spend your $2.15 on 2 cheeseburgers or go to Jack in the Box and get 6 tacos!
Darn right. We early adopters better not get screwed out of the opportunity to upgrade to a webOS device that is actually competitive with the iPhone and Droid in terms of screen size and memory.
Definitely needs to be less plastic-y than the pre. Maybe metal??
Something that looks more "manly". Like a Droid. That would be sweet.
The actual hardware is very good. Just needs different shapes.
I think Palm can definitely do it, but they have to really provide "next level" hardware in the exact same way they provided a next level OS last year. The only reason the Pre is a good phone is because webOS is a great operating system. Take that away and suddenly it looses its appeal compared to other devices. Palm needs a device that can hold it's own (regardless of OS) against any iPhone, Blackberry, and HTC hardware out there now and in the immediate future...
What next level hardware can Palm produce that will be that much different than its rivals? Faster cpus, slightly better screen, more memory? Only techies care about that. The Pre plus has corrected most of the plasticky, sharp edges of the original Pre and has a improved slider mechanism. Palm should have done that with the Pre from the beginning (it's all part of the 30 second initial experience of the prospective buyer) Webos 1.4 supposedly (verizon is slow on its update) reduces the slight lag time of the os but that lag shouldn't have been tolerated from the start with the original Pre! Hardware-wise, Palm could make a new form factor or a Pixi style flagship device. But the device field is cluttered with competitors. Make the webos the key differentiator in all advertisements. All ads (print, tv, internet) should show the elegance of the interface which is really what I love. Have working demo units at sprint, verizon, and all best buys, radio shacks with knowledgable salespersons. People won't get what's great about webos devices unless they can try them and suddenly their blackberries, window mobile will feel antiquated and stupid. If all this happens, then Palm will get off life-support. It's hard to recommend a device from a manufacturer that many prospective buyers know is struggling.
Pick up a Droid (or iPhone, or Blackberry 9700, or a number of HTC devices). Then pick up a Pre/Pre Plus. Can you HONESTLY say that the Pre gives you that same "quality in hand" feeling??? THAT is something everyone cares about (especially non-techies).
Non-techies would also like...
World Phone
5+ MP camera
Much better battery life
Larger screen
Better keyboard
Micro SD card slot (techies would like this too!)
For the techies...
4G (with 3G fall back)
Wifi b/g/n (instead of just b/g)
Higher resolution screen
At least a Snapdragon w/512+ MB
This next device may very well be Palm's last if they don't put something compelling in people's hands (look at Palm's stock as of late). All I'm saying is that they can't half step on the hardware at this point in the game. It will be competing with devices like the HD2 at that point (and who knows what else 6-8 months down the line).
Love for it to have a screen size of at least 3.7" and not keyboard. It also needs business level PIM applications and full and complete support for Exchange.
Not trying to be picky here but 4G is a dream....Which network do you know that throughout their coverage they support target peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s for high mobility such as mobile access and up to approximately 1 Gbit/s for low mobility?
Don't forget that only jailbroken iphones were/are world phones. Cameras are always gimmicks on phones. My sony had 5mp but that didn't replace my camera. Did it have a good flash? auto/manual focus? optical zoom? You get the point.
I love the Pre keyboard. I must have the perfect fingers for it....
Bigger screen also means bigger form factor. Personally I'm very happy with its size. I rather not have a brick in my pocket.
Wifi N? Will you be streaming HD video to your phone and you need such bandwidth? It has only just been signed. iphone doesnt support it. Only droid does and although my router is an N one I am generally very happy with my Pre b/g support.
Regarding the memory and resolution +1. However did all the above "problems" stop you and me buying a Pre? Don't think so... :)
Sprint has very good 4G coverage here in Chicago and a few other cities, more being rolled out later this year (including NYC).
Your point about iPhones being used as world phones boosts my point on why Palm's new devices should be too.
The keyboard isn't bad, but it can be better.
I'd love a bigger form factor! Those who don't (nor the other features I mentioned) should stick with the Pre or Pixi. There is no one form factor that will please everyone, you have to select what fits you best.
If I had the phone I speced above...yes, I would stream HD movies to it! :-P
I NEVER said they were "problems". I'm simply saying that it's time to step up the hardware if Palm intends to compete. Great software alone won't keep anyone in the mobile game...
Sprint has very good 4G coverage here in Chicago and a few other cities, more being rolled out later this year (including NYC). New devices should be built for the immediate future, not the immediate or immediate past.
Your point about iPhones being used as world phones boosts my point on why Palm's new devices should be too.
The keyboard isn't bad, but it can be better.
I'd love a bigger form factor! Those who don't (nor the other features I mentioned) should stick with the Pre or Pixi. There is no one form factor that will please everyone, you have to select what fits you best.
If I had the phone I speced above...yes, I would stream HD movies to it! :-P
I NEVER said they were "problems". I'm simply saying that it's time to step up the hardware if Palm intends to compete. Great software alone won't keep anyone in the mobile game...
4G, wifi N, GSM radio, bigger screen, bigger processor, higher resolution....It better come with a heavy duty extension cord so it still works when your laptop sized battery goes dead.
4G is not with wishing for yet. Too few cities, too little area is the cities that have it, no roaming, and some pretty butch batteries to make it hum. That will be one phone to skip on 1.0
Man...everyone seems to harp on about Palm's stock price.. Well...I remember quite vividly what it was at in December 2008, 1 month before CES 2009! Approx. $1.38...something like that. I don't think the current $11 or so is a sign that Palm will be out of business soon...
The worst thing that will happen to Palm, is that it gets bought out by a larger competitor...that would keep producing WebOS phones with the Palm name, but have a lot more capital to promote it..that's all.
Regarding a Micro SD slot...with all the different speeds on all the different cards, I'm not so sure I want an SD card to work with my device. I realized that I don't really need to store every song and game I have on my Pre (I was schooled in that by a very intelligent post by someone who said that).
I think the reason that the best devices don't have that slot is because they realize that they developed the phone to work best with the HD it comse with...at least that makes sense to me. And with the ease of adding and removing files, do we really need to have a 64gb card addition? I'd rather they just MAKE a 64-128gb device, right? It WILL be definitely possible in the very near future...if it isn't already.
About 4g...yeah..I really thought a lot about that....but for such a small device, it really doesn't matter, does it? Plus...I live in the Chicago area.. The city line runs down the middle of my street.. I'm on the suburb side...and directly across the street, they are on the Chicago side....but, even though 4g is available here, and has been for some time now, I can't get it because of my stinking address?? No matter how good it is, I don't want it anymore just because that's inexplicable to me. Although, the Sprint people and Clear people have made very valid arguments to me about why this is...yet I don't care. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!! Lol
Also...please, please, please.... do NOT spell LOSE as LOOSE!! I know it's not a big deal...but it's extremely annoying...and it takes away from the very intelligent post you've written when you say something like "Sprint will LOOSE it's customer-base" y'know?? People in Europe see us spelling poorly and we justify their contempt of us! Lol..jk, Europeans...I know you don't mock us! Ha ha..
Just a pet peeve of mine... and what kills me is, I've seen reporters actually write blogs with the word loose instead of lose!! Amazing!! And, every now and then, I'll see a major newspaper story that missed correcting that mistake and THAT really blows my mind!
Anyway...outside of those things, I think you've made some very valid points regarding the next WebOS device...and I certainly hope it will be available on my Sprint network, because at this point, 10 years in as a customer...I've given too much money to them to just quit them now! I'm sticking with them out of spite these days! Plus...Verizon and AT&T, etc...will probably charge me a $300-$500 to join their stinkin' network...and THAT'S outrageous,no matter how lousy my credit rating is! Plus...their plans are just way, way, way too expensive..
Verizon's data plan for phones is an EXTRA $30/phone on top of the ridiculous plan charges?? Nope...I'll never switch...
I think they are in dire need of a business oriented phone with WebOS running on it. Maybe even a business oriented version of WebOS with some extras in it.
The Pre and Pixi Plus are probably the best business phones out there, so it's not really clear what you want.
I whole heartly agree!! They also need a larger screen, at lest 3.7" and a micro sd card slot or at least 32g internal storage. I really like for the next device to not have a keyboard.
Always gonna be 3 steps behind. WebOS is awesome, Palm dosent care about advertising it, and Sprint is to busy selling Android. I have sent 3 people to Sprint store & had them sold on Pre's in last 7 days and all 3 have left with a Samsung Moment, must be a higher profit margin for Sprint and / or employees. All I can say is Palm better go for broke on next phone and they better build it like a tank, I don't care if I do have to pay 100 dollars more!! I want a well built phone that is POLISHED PAlmmmmmmmmmm
worked for a couple of the big 4 carriers. It's not about margin or commission. Sales reps get the same commission regardless of what phone a customer buys.
what happens is reps push what they know/like/use. Reps actively steer customers away from "problem" phones. Palm and sprint/verizon need to address this last issue because I think palm has been getting treated like one of these "problem" phones.
Yup had the same problem with my sis. Even though she asked about the Pre they didn't even bother to show it to her. Just moved on to the Hero. When I asked her why she bought it, she said, "cause it has a better camera." Now twice a week I get the how do I get it to do this? call.
I think the problem is that sprint employees aren't educated about the Pre. The few times I've been at a Sprint Store and talked to a Rep or Tech, I felt like I was educating them about the Pre. Best Buy is much, much worse. I think a lot of it is the people they hire.
I think youve hit it right on the head. Thats why Verizon is "re-educating" their reps on the Pre and Pixi Plus. That is definitely how it is with reps, the phone they like is the phone theyll push the most. I personally do not think that is fair to the consumer when choosing a phone they will use for the next how ever many months/years.
Well, good luck. Was at Palisades Mall tonight. One VZ kiosk and one store. The store had the WebOS stuff in the last display, back where they tend to keep the outdated clearance stuff like Sanyo text phones.
The Kiosk had it on the back side kinda bordered by 3rd party accessories. And not captive buyers chatting over them like they were at the Sprint kiosk. The Sprint store had the webos phones in the 3rd and 4th slots from the door.
Always gonna be 3 steps behind. WebOS is awesome, Palm dosent care about advertising it, and Sprint is to busy selling Android. I have sent 3 people to Sprint store & had them sold on Pre's in last 7 days and all 3 have left with a Samsung Moment, must be a higher profit margin for Sprint and / or employees. All I can say is Palm better go for broke on next phone and they better build it like a tank, I don't care if I do have to pay 100 dollars more!! I want a well built phone that is POLISHED PAlmmmmmmmmmm
Palm has already shown it can develop a superior device.
Look at the Pre+, its better than the iPhone and the Droid.
The Pre 2 should be better than the Pre+, so we can look forward to a device with amazing hardware
Incredibly sound logic to me.
Biggest failure of the Pre is the quality of the HW. Follow that by terrible, terrible marketing ideas (not sure who they were targeting with creepy girl ads) and the Pre would have performed 10x better in sales. Word of mouth advertising was tough to do when you have to question the hw. WebOS is by far the best mobile OS in the market but the poor quality of hw is the achilles heel of this device, even if it is a 1st gen device.
I've got a day one Pre and love it, but it's like a father loves his handicap child kinda love. The hardware is pretty flimsy, but WebOS rocks meh socks. If Palm can get a solid body for the OS on Sprint by summer, I'll be happy as a pig in his own stink.
LOL +1
Hopefully there will be a better hardware for this one.. I still love my pre!!
I'd love to see upgrade hardware with the same basic style, but slightly bigger screen (similar in size to the old PPC6600).
they don't have a choice cause what they sell now isn't good enough. But will it matter. if i was a betting man i'd say no because there's more then just the hardware that's at issue. The software has some holes in it, they refuse to make a desktop sync solution, and their marketing decisions are shocking. Really i just have little faith in palm's management to execute properly but that's cause they haven't so far. It could change but based on passed experience i'm not holding my breath.
I would love a Pre with a flat slider that has an aluminum chasis and glass, WVGA 3.7 inch screen. Put the center button back on too and I'll buy it unlocked to replace my Pre :)
It is absolutely imperative that Palm's next product has a solid build that surpasses the current products out there. I love my Pre, but just like everyone says, the hardware is good but not great. Palm please pull out all the stops and make a better one next. The company's future is on the line here!
Whatever Palm releases better be equipped with Snapdragon, a 3.7 inch glass screen or bigger, bigger keyboard, 1gb of ram, etc...
Heck, maybe they should let Htc design and build their phone.
Didn't Htc build the Treo Pro?
Yup, HTC developed the TP, and it would be a dream come true if they designed/developed the new Palm device because they making AMAZING phones.
If I remember correctly, the Treo Pro was actually built by HTC. Anyone know what's the quality on that? Haven't personally touched it, only seen dummies and they look a bit flimsy.
Pro is very solid, nice keyboard. Still on the short list if I move on from webOS. But I've had a few thing go very right on the Pre the last couple weeks, to I may be in for longer than June. We'll see.
What they should do is sell out to HTC and HTC can build nothing but webOS phones, take that punch Android!!
I really believe is they make a superior device to rival what Apple puts out along with the impressive spec'd and built phones released by HTC, Palm could really have a great shot. Also adding a good launch on AT&T they will be in extremely good shape if they market the device properly, which they have been failing at.
The Pre is amazing, so take WebOS and put it on a more powerful and better built device and you have a winning combination. Add onto that the improvements they have been steadily making to WebOS and you have a real winner on your hands.
I just hope it comes to Sprint also, since I want a new WebOS device!
Give me a similar phone to the Pre, running WebOS with:
1) Slightly larger screen (doesn't have to be higher res, just fill more of the face)
2) A landscape slider keyboard (sorry, I just can't get into this ultra-tiny/mushy portrait one, it is my #1 hardware complaint)
3) Removable storage (microSD)
4) SOME type of 5-way or 9-way nav control. I severely miss it from the Treo. Would make editing, games, and other controls so much better.
5) Better battery life (however you want to go about that)
6) Make sure the WebOS uses all hardware video so it is snappy and efficient. My #1 software complaint is the slowness to launch apps.
7) At least as much RAM & Flash as the Plus (512/16).
I really want to plop down more $ come the 1 year anniversary of the Pre :)
bigger screen and waaaay less plastic please
Why is everyone so mad about it being made out of plastic? I personally would rather have a plastic phone than one made out of metal and glass...less chance of breaking it that way?
I've already dropped my Pre more than a few times...and a couple of them I thought my phone wasn't going to make it when I picked it up. But, due to the lightweight of plastic...it didn't hit as hard as it would've had it been metal and glass.
Glass breaks a heck of a lot easier than most people think...no matter how hardened it is.
If the plastic were a bit thicker...like the heavy-duty plastic we used to have on our Treos...THAT would make a HUUUUGE difference....
But, I don't see the point of making it out of anything else because a)it would be heavier and b)more likely to irreparably damage it because you'd be ultra-careful with it, thereby sabotaging yourself into dropping it more often! Just my thoughts...
Aside from all that, though... I really don't think the plastic is all that bad... it's jut how it's put together...the way it doesn't stay tight for very long after purchase. THAT'S something Palm needs to work on. My phone is so loose, you'd think I've already had it for 2-3 years, instead of 9 months! I'm sure dropping it didn't help...as the long scar along the bottom of my Pre will attest...lol
Phones made out of metal and glass are strong, durable and solid than plastic ones.
You don't need a screen protector on an iPhone. For the Pre's plastic screen, it'll scratch easily and even crack from being in your pocket.
Plastic is not as good, period. Glass screens are better, period.
throw in all that and 4G on Sprint....... Who could touch that?
bigger screen and waaaay less plastic please
throw in all that and 4G on Sprint....... Who could touch that?
Just to add on what a few people have already said, carriers ARE talking customers out of phones. I've also sent people in that were sold on the Pre, only to see them come into work with the Moment, talking about it's processing power and how it's better than the Pre's.
They're selling based one some specs, while not focusing on others, selling the phone's they know.
As far as build quality goes... Palm's is the same as every other phone I've ever used and returned. If your power buttons are broken, and screens are cracked, in a lot of cases you could have prevented it by using a good hard leather case and not put the phone in your pocket to get beat up all day. What I'd like to hear more of is hardware failures, that's something I haven't heard much of at all.
As far as the future of Palm goes, I'm not all that concerned. It's not all about the phone's they're putting out, they could also license the OS, if they do that, there's money in it for them. BUT, then you're getting into the Android boat and having too many versions of an OS out, and phones not being updated across the board.
Palm should stick with what they're doing and limiting the number of handsets out, but also get on board with these carriers to make sure they're selling them right. My solution, hire some district rep's to go into the carrier and demonstrate the OS for potential customers.
I think they need to just let HTC design it and keep the Palm branding the same way Google did with the Nexus One.
My first smartphone was the Palm Pre and I am loving WebOS. Palm knows that WebOS is starting to shine all over the world. Whatever phone that they are developing must be high quality and a eye catcher. The Pre is a wonderful phone and Ive had it since July 2009. My only complaint about it is that the slider makes the phone flimsy. Oh, one more thing, this phone has to have a "Great Name" like Palm V. Pronounced Palm Five for the 5th WebOS device released in the US.
For the love of everything good and holy... please create a virtual keyboard and partner with HTC!!
honestly palm's primary problem is their marketing. its not biased to say that the pre/pixi/webos are good. given that the only reasons for bad sales are poor distribution or brand awareness. as for distribution...sprint and verizon....say what you will. i would argue that they could have done better sure but at&t was not at&t before the iphone. therefore i am left with piss poor marketing. i think we all can agree that the stupid adds didnt say anything about the phone but instead tried some dumb bs. this is what i blame palms issues on. if they dont fix the marketing the phone fails.
1.4.0 IS HERE!! I'M DOWNLOADING IT NOW!!!!!!!!
Um, duh. That is so 15 hours ago.
I find extremelly funny and sad at the same time that some people could find as THE ONLY HOPE for PALM some points that I dodnt agree at all hardware wise.
I dodnt see as an imperative a landscape keyboard, for me the one handed operation is one of the key points of webos and the hardware. Neither a touch screen one, not even the swipe thingy, that depends on a dictionary the most.
Some other people still want a native desktop solution as the one and only hope for palm when I would absoluty HATE palm to invest any resources on that. For me, that would be as including a floppy disk drive in todays computer, sorry.
Also, I have had pretty bad experiences with HTC products, to begin with my last one, a windows mobile 6.1 HTC s740 didnt even included opengl drivers just because HTC wanted it to be like that, and keyboard was crappy compared to thepre one, very very crappy, even been landscape.
Id actually like a pixi like form factor (so avoiding the problem that some people feel about pre having too much pieces) but with pre screen size and better resolution than pre and so.
Whatever, I jut wanted to write in here to let you know there is people that think completly opposite to you and still wants the best for palm and webOS.
I still have my day 1 original pre and the hardware is substandard. You don't really notice it at first, but after only about a week you realize it's pretty flimsy. If Palm would release superior hardware with removable memory, BT file transfer and a better camera with better quality vid (even though the new 1.4 is pretty awesome), they'd have a winner. Poor HW with creepy ads equalled a poorly informed buying public and Palms loss.
I've been holding out on buying a webOS phone because of obvious speed/lag issues. I will definitely be purchasing this device if it's able to handle webOS at a much faster speed than the Pre Plus. It also wouldn't hurt if it was released on AT&T, because then I can just buy it and put my sim card right in. I'm really sick of the iPhone, and now the choice is just between Android and webOS.
I agree that it is going to be important for Palm to have compelling new hardware to complement the elegant and increasingly full featured webos. I do have two concerns: One is making sure that Palm does not over-extend their finances by pushing th r&d too hard, or by producing more units prior to lanch than what they really need. It would be better to use fairly similar hardware (i.e. Arm based) and tweak other areas (more ram, bigger screen, add storage [read micro-sd], and if possible wimax) and produce just enough to read the market before producing more.
My second concern is timing. I think that last year Palm captured everyone's attention in January, but then after a 5 month wait and the launch of the iphone 3Gs, palm lost it's chance to have a major impact on the market. If they are going to avoid those problems this time, they need to have the hardware ready now, and be ready for a launch no later than May (which I think is probably impossible, and a May launch is usually not good unless you have something that appeals to people going on vacation) or wait until August when back-to-school and Christmas will provide natural sales traction for your new product. Of course coming in after whatever Apple launches in the summer means that you either have to beat Apple with your device (hardware/o.s./apps) or with price, or, better yet, both.
Palm will not catch up with Apple, RIM, and the others for sales, and they don't need to. But these are the things they need to do to continue to make inroads in the market while staying on the path to real profitability.
palm should make a phone with a big 3.7in glass AMOLED screen
i like the portrait keyboard or landscape whatever
make the devise out of metal or aluminum
make it have a micro SD Slot
better battery
5 megapixel camera
oh and 4g and it would be an awesome phone lol
Name change to WebOS central?
Anyone with me?
err...
pre2pluspixi2post2central.com ...has a better ring, tho, doesn't it?
EDIT: On second thought, that is a pretty serious problem with getting people to find this place. Think about it...
- If you type "pre [plus]" or "palm pre [plus]" in Google, the results shortly point to precentral.net
- But if you type "webos" or "pixi" or "palm pixi"... precentral.net is BURIED.
Food for thought, PreCentral!
palmcentral.com
Not like they have any other active products.
/me is laughing at the nay-sayers... just be patient and prepare to have your socks blown off...
I have no doubt that Palm is strategizing something awesome :)
good!! I am sure the new palm phone is going to be great!!, we already palm upgrading the pre with double the RAM and Storage. Obviously they know what the platform needs to be competitive. The pre 2 should have a faster processor, even more ram, auto-focus camera,a larger screen, by then we will have more apps, wow the only bad thing for me is that y I just signed with sprint for two years and I don't have change of phone rights for a long time. I don't mind to see webos in all the carriers, maybe like that we can secure its existence
I think palm needs to upend the market with features that no one else has and upgrade on current thing. I think itt should go as follow:
digital compass
bigger screen
5 megapixel with autofocus
removable storage
1gb ram(just saying)
pre like form but less plastic
dedicated voice button
voice command
webos enhances:
customizable universal search
google navigation
touchstone included
WebOS is amazing. HTC makes good quality handset. I wish they would merge.........
Palm needs to rush, I honestly hope they already have the build in mind because w/ sprint we're eligible full rebate upgrades after a year, need to lock those users back in with a webOS phone come time to renew.
There is no reason for the Pre 2 to take as long to get set up as the Pre 1. The Pre 1 had a pretty good prototype back in CES 2009 months before it actually came out. The holdup was WebOS. Now with WebOS practically matured, we could see a Pre2 in a few months or less.
I love the idea that palm makes the software and hardware, this creates an excellent comparability, if not look at the iphone, know everybody loves WebOS, the problem arises with the hardware, I like it, but not many people does! Just make the hardware like the HTC legend, unibody-metal design, more memory, bigger screen, more storage, with Webos, the stock will raise like crazy
Although it's too little, too late, as it's just a matter of time before is bought out by a rival manufacturer (hopefully RIM BB or HTC).
There is still some things they can do to help there own cause.
1) build a solid, SOLID device, no more flimsy garbage.
2) no more exclusive carriers, put the new device on every single carrier that'll have it.
3) leave WebOS alone, do not change it a bit, it's the only thing they're doing right.
4) and lastly and most important ... MARKETING, MARKETING, MARKETING. Put that thing in peoples face as much as is physically possible.
@clintwinstead
Yeah because the jebusphone is perfectly built...
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=525177
/rolleyes
Although it's too little, too late, as it's just a matter of time before is bought out by a rival manufacturer (hopefully RIM BB or HTC).
There is still some things they can do to help there own cause.
1) build a solid, SOLID device, no more flimsy garbage.
2) no more exclusive carriers, put the new device on every single carrier that'll have it.
3) leave WebOS alone, do not change it a bit, it's the only thing they're doing right.
4) and lastly and most important ... MARKETING, MARKETING, MARKETING. Put that thing in peoples face as much as is physically possible.
you are right,good points!
hey whoever said HTC should buy palm, i must say thats not a bad idea at all. Think about HTC builds the best quality phones, and they could keep Palm as internal designers for the OS. You would have phones made with qualcam 1ghz processors, large screens, and beautiful landscape keyboards. Even if palm dosent sell they should consider bringing in HTC on this project.
if htc bought palm youll have a bunch of unfocused phones designed with no idea on how people actually use their phones, but youll be able to show them to your geek friend and say "ey it got snapdragon!" or wharever stupid new chip is in at that time.
Here's my wishlist
- Better Build Quality possibly extruded metal
- Slightly larger screen
- 4G on Sprint (LTE on others)
- Keep the keyboard as is just make it slightly bigger to match the screen
- Business Applications
- iTunes Integration (sorry apple haters, but this is a huge selling point for most)
- Better Battery (nuclear?)
- Streamline loading, the entire application should not need to spin if only part of the application is loading
Keep up the good work Palm
>- iTunes Integration (sorry apple haters, but this is a huge selling point for most)
That is just a waste of time (as has already been proven). If you want to be chained to iTunes, then get an iPhone. Otherwise, be FREE. Buy/download your own music from the store of your choice that works ON THE OS of your choice (which includes Linux). Has nothing to do with hating Apple, it has to do with not wanting to be locked into a particular host OS or music "environment".
There is only one entity that will even have a chance for a full buy-out of Palm: Microsoft. Given that they didn't buy Palm in the last year, and have decided to rebuild WinMo from the ground up, it seems that they decided not to when they had the chance.
Nobody is going to attempt a leveraged buy-out because it will become too expensive for very little short term gain. Palm has BILLIONS of dollars worth of patent assests laying around, and even though the stock price seems low, any rumor of a buyout will instantly raise the stock price for that reason.
The rumors of Nokia being interested, quite frankly, don't make sense from just about any well thought out angle. They are developing a their own linux based operating system, and they are not friendly to the US subsidy based market, plus they have no history of a working relationship with Palm.
Partnerships, on the other hand, are something that Palm must look for and foster on all fronts, and licensing WebOS to other platforms should be kept as a possibility.
>it seems that they [MS] decided not to [buy Palm] when they had the chance.
Thank God, or I would have absolutely dropped the Pre/WebOS like a hot potato. The end!
I hope this is HSDPA+ and it lands on Bell! that may help them on the Canadian market as bell(and telus) have the largest HSDPA+ network in Canada.
I cant wait I like my Pre but I want better. I will stick with Palm as long as there is a new phone this year on Sprint. no later then Aug and ill be happy
"...launch on AT&T later this year, could will hopefully help."
'Could will' help, huh? I believe it!
"...launch on AT&T later this year, could will hopefully help."
'Could will' help, huh? I believe it!
How about the idea of RIM buying Palm? RIM makes very good QWERTY hardware and with Palm's desire to have a physical QWERTY device this seems like a great match. RIM also needs to update the BlackBerry OS big time to compete with the UI of all of these new operating systems. I would love a BlackBerry Bold 9700 running webOS with BB Messenger, Synergy, and a battery life that goes forever. Come on RIM, please buy Palm it will be good for the both of you.
Rim is doing great, but I don't think that they have cash on hand to complete the deal. A buyout of Palm will take BILLIONS of dollars, and a leveraged buyout would be too expensive and either scenario would take years to pay off. Palm is at once too expensive and too toxic to touch.
WebOS is what makes the phone different. Why limit it to one or two form factors? Have it available in multiple forms, for example: pre, pixi, a side-slider like the moment or google phones and a virtual only style like iphone, hero, etc.
WebOS IS amazing, there's no doubt about it. Palm definitely has a winner. However, Sprint has had to deal with a dearth of returns due to poor hardware, and quite naturally a carrier is going to point buyers to the better product. For most people that's the hardware.
Palm would do well to release a new WebOS device by June 6, because a lot of people are going to jump ship on June 7 if they don't. I want my next device to be powered by WebOS, but I also want it to be sturdy enough not to fall apart in my pocket.
I'm sticking with Sprint and I want to stick with Palm, but at this point HTC/Android is looking very good. Palm, give me a reason to remain loyal, that's all I ask.
Yes, yes, yes and yes.
Contrary to what some have said, and others think, then Next WebOS device should not premiere on ATT. The simple fact is that the iPhone is a brand that everyone and their neighbor's dog recognizes and for the most part trust. Yes it should go to ATT but T-mobile, Sprint, and Verizon should be the focus. More Verizon, Sprint, T-mobile and then ATT in order of importance. I know Dieter; You want a GSM WebOS device right freakin' now, but to challenge the iPhone on the same carrier is suicide. The ATT reps, by and large, would ensure the device remained in a dusty, dark corner.
I agree with most on the hardware. The OS is rock solid. The theory and practicality of WebOS is years ahead of where the rest of the industry is (With the possible exception of WP7S). Talk about a phone that "Just works" and WebOS should be the first name off peoples lips, but due to the hardware issues the informed buyer does towards the new Windows Mobile (aka Android).
Speaking of informed buyers... Have you folks ever considered that WE, the one percenters if you'll pardon the term, are the reason for the unease? Consider that for the most part we're the enthusiasts. Thus we tend to complain more than the average consumer. The media (engadget, gizmodo, even old line print media) reads our comments and from the sheer number of people complaining they come the conclusion that the phone is "cheap". All the while never considering that those who are passionate tend to be the most vehement in their complaints AND praise (scant though it may be in relation).
One more point: Sprint and Verizon reps do sell what they know. I recently went to the VZ store to pickup the Jawbone Icon because it was the only place that had it in stock. The Pre Plus hadn't even been released and yet the two reps I spoke to told me that the Pre and Pixi were both horridly hard to use and cheaply made. They had never handled one. I pulled mine out and within 5 minutes the manager was a convert. But I have to ask the PC community: Is this the exception or the rule? Simply put by another poster - Reps sell what they know/like/use. And that's where the major break down is.
It's been my experience that AT&T reps, especially those who work at the AT&T mall stores (as opposed to stand-alone locations) don't sell iphones and push blackberries instead. In fact, most AT&T employees that I talk to kinda look down on the iPhone for whatever reason (they probably don't make as much commission or something).
phonearena seems to think the new phones will be GSM.
There is a now a thread on the precentral forums called Rate your Verizon store, for people to give feedback on specific store experiences so Palm/Verizon can improve marketing
new hardware alone won't do it. They need to get devs behind application development and make the OS feel less like a beta.
I'm not sure they can bounce back though, they've made too many collosal mistakes.
1. Too long to come to market
2. Revealed their unique advantage (and in taking too long to come to market let other companies copy it)
3. CDMA before GSM
4.Sprint Exclusivity...(a dying carrier WTF, even Verizon would have been a better choice)
5. No SDK @ Launch
6. No access to hardware for devs.
7. Lackluster hardware - Pixi i'm looking @ you...
it's really sad b/c WebOS could have been great. It had all the earmarkings of a revolutionary OS.
1)2) agreed
3) that is not a mistake- but it would make a LOT MORE sense to design a phone that can work on ALL carriers. It can't be that more expensive, and it would GREATLY simplify production, inventory, repair, resale, etc.
4) Sprint is not a "dying carrier". But I do think it was a mistake to lock into ANY single carrier. However, Sprint is a long-time Palm champion, and it probably made sense to Palm and Sprint at the time.
5)6)7) agreed
Totally agree on your addenum for #3. Don't know WTF were they thinking to design two versions for Europe and North America GSM. If they just paid a bit more made it tri-band UMTS like the iPhone is, it would be just one version just software differences, and it covers most of the whole world. It might cost a bit more per phone, but they will save in stock-keeping for just one version of GSM hardware and one version of CDMA hardware.
For starters I would be using a Pre already, us North American GSM fence-sitters don't need to be still sitting.
palm c40 with 4G / wimax on sprint = palm PREdator, lol
When you go into a store and ask about some phones, undoubtedly the sales reps steer you away from Palm for one reason. Battery life. That has happened to me a ton of times going with my wife when she was ready to upgrade from my old Centro (my priors were 650, 755p and 800w).
She went with a Pre recently and loves it. So do I and trade off with my TouchPro2.
Until Palm significantly improves battery life, I think you will always see this happen since the reps have nothing much to do all day except mess with their phones, so battery life is key for them.
You will never get iPhone users to move to Palm due to the iPhone apps. Personally, I think 95% of apps are crap regardless of phone or carrier, but I travel a lot for business and don't really care if my phone makes fart noises better than someone elses for $1.99.
I love the build of my TP2 and put up with WinMo and enjoy great browsing using Opera Mobile 10.
If I had my choice, I would have WebOS on a larger screen with the 800w qwerty. Why this doesn't exist is a mystery to me since that keyboard was so wonderful and a nice solid build like Treo Pro with a larger screen and MicroSD slot would be so functional.
...whenever you are ready, Palm. I will be back.
Well.. Let's be honest. Things just aren't looking good.
The iPhone is an exception. "Same" OS, "same" phone and their able to sell the "new" version in mass each release.
Android is only part of the problem. It's a free OS that manufacturers can jam on whatever high or low end hardware they want.
And that is the problem. Well, combined with consumers A.D.D..
Bigger screens, faster CPUs, make a big initial buzz and sell a ton of phones fast before the next flagship is released with bigger and faster.
I love WebOS but not the Pre. I want a bigger screen, a bigger keyboard, although I don't need it, even a good OSK,
I want the OS to be snappy and not psuedo snappy with flashing load screens.
Palm could release WebOS as an OS for other manufacturers and make revenue off the store. But that would be it Android bundles Google apps. Palm has no apps or usualbe cloud of it's own.
How much can the store generate on it's own?
Will Google now see WebOS as a competitor and shut down it's integration?
I love WebOS but jam it into a Supersonic and I'll cream my pants.
With all that said I'm picking up another Pixi Monday. Doing my part for palm (:
I think a big reason salefolk are steering buyers away from Pre is they don't want to deal with the folks walking back in the store w/ hardware problems. (my Pre has been perfect but my Touchstone was defective). WebOS is awesome and would be the best tablet OS. The Mom ads pissed me off - good idea to drastically shrink your possible customer base? Probably not.
I would say webOS HAS all the earmarkings of a revolutionary OS.
There are lots of complaints about the Pre/+ with hardware, lag, etc, but the one complaint I rarely, if ever, encounter is about the way the OS works; everyone, wether they come from win mo, iphone, BB, absolutely everyone seems to love the way the OS works. It's not that webOS does that much that other OS's don't do; it's how it does it. The cards. It's simpler, easier, clearer and faster to switch from one application to another. I wish Palm would make adds comparing it to the iphone the way apple compares themselves to windows. A little tongue and cheek if you will... And I wish they would show people VERY CLEARLY how it works. A huge, high-tech clear screen with many apps working, draw a phone around one app, then wave hands switching which app is currently seen in the phone, but keep all apps around working. And explain what is happening. Then make the iphone look old. Maybe have a stat like "8/10 people who try webOS say they prefer it to the iphone". After all, most people do seem to love the OS... Sorry for the long post...
I have my day 14 Pre and it works like a champ... except for the folded paper holding the battery to the contacts...
and of course the day 1 Pre had dead pixels.
Yeah. If a whole new device comes out, it needs good engineering and good engineers are hard to find.
The idea, further upstream, of a more "chunky" and "manly" device appeals to me from a "solid" point-of-view. Might even be easier to engineer than a pretty design like the Pre is.
I agree...i think a new device every 6 months would b nice...get this WEBOS on the map!!! How many phones run that droid os??
I want the Palm Prexus one(nexus one running webos)
I want the Palm Prexus one(nexus one running webos)
The only thing Palm hasn't hit is the crowd that is fine with shelling out a couple hundred more for a top of the line flagship phone. Pre is a good value option, Pixi is a good ultra-value option, but neither are what people who are fine with dropping big bucks want as far as case design and screen size goes. Personally, the Pre is perfect for me, but then again, it's like they have a Mustang, a Bug, but no Porsche in their product line.
I wouldn't, however, even think about a metal box with squared edges for a phone. I find the Nexus, Droid, and yes, even iPhone's design lacking a lot. I like the shape of the Pre, it holds so much better in the hand than anything else (or on the shoulder). What I'd want is the Pre, but maybe a little thinner, slightly wider with a screen to match, with a metal case and a clickier slider for the keyboard. Keep the rounded corners and natural curvature of the phone with the keyboard extended. Drop some more processor and memory onboard, maybe even microSD support. That would be what I'd drop big bucks for. Put a compass in there for AR and I'm on cloud nine.
they can't afford to miss this one. It has to have a bigger keyboard (keep the same vertical layout rather than horizontal, but make the keys and phone a bit wider), bigger batter, AMOLED screen, reliable hardware!!!!! and add all the features everyone's been complaining about on these forums and the iphone forums. Just get it right!
UPDATE: Need I also remind palm of a good advertising firm? Make sure you prep the audience and put them on their seats before you release it. That's what catches attention... just like droid. Dare I remind palm of how effective this commercial was?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoYr8-uG5C0
Can't argue that sound effects from movies like Transformers will also catch your audience's attention....
Anyone ever use the Palm LifeDrive! It was an ALL METAL touch screen with an internal hard drive running PalmOS. I loved the feel of that device... very sturdy/heavy metal construction! I would buy a metal webOS device in a heart-beat. I used it up until I got my pre... then sold it on ebay. Put that type of body on webOS! Really felt like a Droid without the keyboard (and a bit thicker).
* Definitely need to get rid of the slider. That damn thing is a nuisance and would make it much easier to slim the phone. If anyone has tried the virtual keyboard patch you'll know this thing works pretty damn well without the keyboard.
* Touchstone back should come with all their phones in the future like vzw got(improves the slippery factor of the phone too which has cost me three small dents).
*Screw 3.7 they should go to a full 4 inch screen. That extra .3 would be a major sticking point and would barely increase the phone size.
*1 ghz clock
*sturdier and heavier materials. It's funny we're at a point where we need them adding weight back on these phones.
Screw droid style adds. They should do an add with their biggest fans using the OS with the new phone and drooling all over it. And don't forget to use full flash websites in the commercial(if we ever get flash 10!)
the next pre for sprint should be called webos2..made of carbon fiber..oled screen 5m camera..3.7 screen..slide out horizontal optical keyboard..1g ram..OMAP4440 operates at 1+ GHz. ...i have a design
As I am stuck out here in the middle of nowhere doing my job for my country I can't help but be upset over most of your comments. The Pre is an excellent phone withan excellent OS. Its being brought down by ignorant folks and lousy advertisement. Did it have poor battery life at the beginning? Yes. Was it any worse than any other touchscreen smartphone that multi-tasks? No! My HTC Tilt had horrible battery life too. You can't compare it to a standard Blackberry. They don't have touchscreens. Are the edges sharp? No! That was a crazy internet myth that refuse to die. You can't cut a block of cheese with a Pre. Is the slider flimsy? Compared to what? Every slider phone I've used has been the same. If it is too tight it won't slide right. My son's Moment and my old Tilt are just as flismy. The Droid has better build quality? Are you insane? One of my soldiers has had one for less than a month and it looks like crap. Chipped paint everywhere. Who paints a darn phone? The Droid also has the worst keyboard ever on a smartphone. Thank God for the on screen one. Look people. Palm made some mistake with marketing the Pre and Pixi. Those mistakes cost them. Just like Google made some mistakes marketing the Nexus One and it is costing them. The Pre is an excellent phone. Does Palm need to make a new device? Yes. Motorola has several handsets. So does HTC. The Pre and Pixi form factor doesn't fit everyone.
+1 for your comments...
One thing I disagree on. My gf's Samsung slider phone is far more solid and the shell is aluminium. Feels more rigid and you not scared when you put it in your pocket if it will start doing the oreo.
I wouldn't change a thing on my pre plus. Slider is sturdy and I'm getting the hang of the keyboard. What I love most is that it fits in my pocket and feels smooth and sleek in my hand. I trust that Palm will keep upgrading it. I've been a TX user and love having phone and pda in one pocket size piece. Mainly Palm needs to market it to everyone, not to moms, as a palm-sized all-you-need for managing life, fun, friends, and media. I call it my brain.
It doesn't need to be huge, just large enough to stand toe to toe with the competitive phones. Their real competitor is the Blackberry, not the iPhone. The Blackberry crowd are the people who see reliability as more important than flashiness.
The "iPhone-bots" aren't going anywhere else. You might pick off a few, but for many of them, it's their religion. The BB users would come in droves if they could get the classic Palm reliability with the snazziness of WebOS.
Give hem reliable e-mail and contact management... and reliable HARDWARE, and hey would take real market share from RIM. Not everyone, but enough to be taken seriously.
Palm initially was like the proverbial (in sports) underdog "nobody wants to meet in the playoffs" (a little March Madness here). With just a few strategic tweaks in hardware and advertising, they can still strike fear in the hearts of the big boys.
Anyone ever use the Palm LifeDrive! It was an ALL METAL touch screen with an internal hard drive running PalmOS. I loved the feel of that device... very sturdy/heavy metal construction! I would buy a metal webOS device in a heart-beat. I used it up until I got my pre... then sold it on ebay. Put that type of body on webOS! Really felt like a Droid without the keyboard (and a bit thicker).
If this is true and there is new hardware planned for (let's say) June, then it's a smart move to not announce anything officially just yet. Last year they announced the Pre and then we had to wait 6 months, and the hype train lost a lot of steam.
On the other hand, kinda sucks for guys like me who need to know if there's something there worth waiting for just over the horizon, or if I should pull the trigger on a Pre+ next month.
if there is no palm phone planed for june/july, then in will get blackberry tour2...solid phone...not a lot of bells and whitles, but very reliable...
Web OS with a monster screen like the Droid or Nexus and I am sold! Sign me up and here is my deposit. Otherwise I will jump ship to Android and the Supersonic even though I love web os.
All I'm saying is my next phone needs a big fat screen so I can make use of it like the multi media, surf the web, play with my apps, and read my newspapers monster that these phones should be these days!
Im feelin,
--Snapdragon processor
--WiMAX (obviously)
--larger screen (with touch sense above as well as below it)
--landscape keyboard (for larger keys, as I see it a general complaint was the small keys, They are with out a doubt way to small to be used in games)
and hopefully a tegra or similar video processor to power the sexy interface
Please Grant us with a webOS Slab device Palm Gods!
iPhone phone factor with webOS = Epic Win!
Palm should open the Pre to all networks here in the UK too.
What they did wrong here in the was use o2 only when none of the other networks had the iPhone. Had they used Vodafone, Orange, TMobile and Virgin then they would have seen lots of sales. Now that all UK networks carry the iPhone Palm have missed the boat but they can still push units out if they secure other networks.
There will be people nearing the end of their iPhone terms and the biggest thing here in the UK now is the fact the app cat is small and not that good. It is good to see NFSU, Monopoly and Sims in the cat for
The reason it launched on O2 was mostly because of CDMA, not some conspiracy. Once there is a GSM version, they will likely start up on other networks.
Like I said in a previous post- it is just stupid to have ANY higher end phone limited in design such that it is physically incompatible with any of the large networks.
I think this a good idea, as more devices with WebOS means more exposer and more choice for the consumer. I hope the third WebOS device will be all touch screen as I know a few people who loved the WebOS concept but were turned off by the physical keyboard on the Pre and Pixi.
for me this is what I think palm needs to get their foot in hardware game for the next webOS device and get on top.
-4 in screen(could be a side slider or a revolutionary bottom slider)
-8 mp camera(with video already :P, autofocus, and led flash...please don't subtract capabilty)
-front webcam(step into the future) for skype etc...
-docs2go
-processor more powerful than snapdragon
-plastic cover that is less fragile maybe a metal one
-32g internal
-the best resolution screen possible
-the ability to navigate phone with only your voice.
-integrate as many useful patches as possible
-more battery life
-tougher cables with an extension includes
like I said earlier this would put the next palm phone as the front runner.
Just thought about this - barring an HTC partnership, Palm should create this...
- Palm Pixi form factor
- lose the physical keyboard
- extend the display to fill the device
- make hardware equal to Pre (no keyboard = more room)
- create a kick-butt virtual keyboard.
As a lowly UK user I'd like to see something simfree. O2 are not the best provider over here especially when the tariffs the pre is available on are not that competitive when compared to other providers. So a WebOS unit available to buy from the Palm store or resellers without a costly contract would be great.
Is a glass screen really that much better than plastic. I would hate to drop my phone and pick up a shattered screen. I hate skins, and everyone with an iPhone has a skin because they are so worried about dropping their phone. I don't have to worry about my screen cracking.
Ironically, I cracked my screen on Friday night (yes, just hours before 1.4 was available...*groan*). I had it in the front pocket of my jeans and played a game of pool, leaned on it, and broke the heck out of it. Where the crack is (from the bottom right corner spider webbed up in all directions), it actually looks like I hit the Update button too many times and broke it. *rolls eyes*
P.S. ...A cracked screen renders the whole screen's touch function totally useless.
P.P.S. ...You can't do ANYTHING on a Pre whose screen is inop.
Waiting for my insured replacement...and still waiting for 1.4 goodness.
The bad luck will make you appreciate the fact that your contacts are backed up. My screen stopped responding and sure it was inconvenient but I was still able to make/receive calls until the phone was replaced free of charge. No contacts lost but I wish they backup'd the linked profiles. Atleast I didn't have to start a stupid "Ineed your numbers" group on facebook like my nonPre owning friends have to resort to.
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didnt the c40 show up in the sprint data sheets? and isnt this the phone that everyone has been speculating to be sprints 4g device? dont see how that makes any sense to be on at&t.
Whats the deal with people wanting 3.7 and 4.0+ inch screens? The iPhone has a 3.5inch screen and thats plenty. For gods sake its a PHONE not a tablet. If I want something with a 3.7inch+ screen that I want to watch video on and surf the web it would be a freakin iPad or whatever. I want a phone that I can comfortably carry around in my pocket, not in my backpack or bag. Even Appe is smart enough to realize that anything above 3.5inch for a phone is absurd.
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