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Opinion: A device-independent webOS future 90

by Jonathan I Ezor#IM Wed, 05 Jan 2011 2:40 pm EST

Like all of you, I was thrilled to see HP's announcement yesterday of its upcoming February 9th event in San Francisco. Like all of you, I have also been wondering about the slogan "Think Big. Think Small. Think Beyond." Given that slogan, the mentions of a cloud service by Jon Rubinstein in his allthingsD interview last month, and the inspiration of PreCentral forum member ka1 who apparently got a rare Palm Foleo for Christmas, I have a prediction for what HP will announce: a new device-independent era for webOS, where users can switch seamlessly in real-time among phones, tablets and other webOS-running machines without caring, because everything is always there and current.

Imagine you own two webOS devices: a next-gen smartphone and a PalmPad tablet. The phone uses both WiFi and cellular data; the PalmPad is WiFi only, but is set to automatically tether to the phone if it's nearby and no known WiFi access point is available; the PalmPad also has a VoIP app to make calls via the smartphone's service. You've got a single Palm Profile, linked to a dedicated HP cloud-based service, which not only provides backup of accounts and app purchases, but syncs the entire device in real-time whenever possible. (The sync would be designed to prioritize updated data over static, and to adjust its scheduling and speed based on bandwidth and battery levels as well as user preferences.) You've always got the smartphone in your pocket, but you only grab the PalmPad when you think you'll need it.

One day, you've left the PalmPad at home, but it turns out you need to access a document you've been writing on it. No problem; although the screen's much smaller, the document is available on your smartphone as well, since it automatically synced from the PalmPad up to the cloud. A week later, you realize that you've left your smartphone on the subway, although happily your PalmPad is safe and snug in your knapsack. No problem; you walk into a coffeeshop, connect to its WiFi network on your PalmPad, use it to issue a remote wipe command that only affects your smartphone, and head to the local cellphone carrier store to replace the smartphone hardware via your insurance. Within the hour, you've got a new phone, you log into the same profile, and poof, all your apps, data and even photos start appearing on it. It may take some time to get everything loaded, especially via cellular data speeds, but that's okay too: you've still got the PalmPad, and everything is already on it. (Of course, any apps that function on one of the devices but not the other, like the PalmPad's VoIP app, will only sync to the one on which they work.)

What about other devices? Suppose that you want to print that document, but for whatever reason you have neither your phone or the PalmPad with you. You do, though, have access to an HP networked printer running webOS. You just walk over to the printer, log in using your existing Palm Profile, and the printer's screen lists all printable files stored in your profile. You tap on one, it prints, you log out, and walk away. A web-based interface could provide similar access on any networked computer, as Amazon does with Kindle books.

This is a logical extension of everything that HP has leaked or hinted at, as well as the realization of the innovative-but-never-finalized (and probably patented) Foleo model. It builds on what Palm is already doing with the cloud, but also leverages HP's enterprise-level infrastructure, the availability of super-cheap mass storage, the growth of higher-bandwidth 4G cell connections and ubiquitous WiFi. It potentially makes compliance for regulated industries much easier (assuming HP provides the kind of security and backup it knows how to do), and avoids any IT-resource-hogging desktop or local server management.  It also blows away anything Apple is doing with MobileMe or Google with its apps, while giving the user much more control. It's both evolutionary and revolutionary. It's big, it's small, it's most definitely beyond, and I want it now.


Im excited at the possibilities

Sounds like a nice "beyond", but don't expect that this February. I think that will be their vision in 2012 when they start rolling out printers. I think at the same time they'll implement the webOS layer into their PC's. Much like the HP touchsmart, but in a much more cloud friendly and connected way, but also with the touch friendliness of webOS. Gotta think that since the emulators run on PC's it wouldn't be too hard to make it work on a touchscreen desktop computer.

I think they'll make it happen with apps first. The news of Amazon and Rubi joining the board and then what Amazon annonced today with Android app store seems like a perfect fit for a cloud app, music, book, and video market place run by amazon, but used on webOS devices.

You can read more about that here at my blog. The last post is specifically about webOS, Rubi, and Amazon. I think this is all going to happen in the next two years, but we'll not see it right away. They'll need market share first to get some big developers helping with the enterprise apps and accessories that will be necessary.


Unlike some people on this site, I actually have patience (even when things are long overdue). So if this vision starts taking form in 2012, i'll be here waiting with a smile on my face.

I might be here with you, but my pre minus will be in 2 pieces because of this stupid oreo effect.
So maybe I'll be here with you with the latest HTC phone.

Yeah.. enjoy your Palm Pre till then.

I can see WebOS implemented into a PC. Also, with all the hacks and new implementation of the Kinect controller; I can really envision the use of gestures on larger devices.
That would be some slick navigation!

Sony announced a touchscreen PC that has a gesture area on the bezel. Seems like it's a legit way to make a touchscreen desktop more user friendly. The bezel would be for quick, gesture-based shortcuts, apparently.

This is the kind of innovative future thinking that needs to happen to get a product like WebOS off the ground.

Too often in the forums people post about how Palm should add features and hardware to be like the iPhone or Android but if you only offer the same thing that everyone else has then you have no compelling value.

If Palm and HP each leverage their symbiotic strengths with one another then they can create a whole new class of mobile computing that doesn't exist.

looks like Motorola is in this game now with the Atrix.

Come on HP with webOS!

I'm in!

OK. I can see it. I'm in.

(and wouldn't it be great if this came true?u

I don't trust palm with this at all. I just remember the pains when my palm profile didnt back up somethings... stoped backing up all things... kicked me out...

If HP has the mojo to make it solid then yeah sounds good.

With all that data though battery will take a hit for sure.

Well said, I think this is the idea although I don't know how far away from execution.

As an aside, wasn't this the idea that SUN saw also some years ago?

This is the dream. Thanks for putting it in a post.

hmmm...fascinating... you have my interest....

That is what I was thinking when Palm/HP kept mentioning "Interconnected Devices". This would really be amazing. All you have to do is just log in with your profile on any device and sync with the cloud. You would not have to transfer anything from device to device or buy an app multiple times.

I am seeing the future now and its going to get interesting.

Pinch me, I must be dreaming.

I like it,I was hoping something like this would be true.Maybe even that watch from the mock up will be a reality.I pictur a world where everything will be connected.

This would be awesome, but are they ready for it? I'm not seeing it being ready any time soon and wouldn't it be better to hang onto stuff like that until it's ready, or nearly ready, so other people don't steal the idea?

Security will be huge in this market.

This would be frackin' awesome if HP follows through exactly with this wish list. Lets keep our fingers crossed that they do and also release devices soon after announcement.

Who wrote this? Just curious. I hope this is all more than a guess or wishful thinking!

I don't feel like readin but I want my new fone nigga!


i'm cautiously optimistic. if they are able to pull something like this off it would be so awesome, but it is a huge undertaking. while HP is a huge company, size isn't always an indicator of quality of execution.

at this point, i don't think a half-baked and half-executed release is going to cut it anymore. the longer the wait, the higher the bar. i just hope that all the waiting won't be for naught. i wish HP the best and i wish everyone of us here patiently waiting will be rewarded with something awesome come februrary 9th.

You have to think that with all of the recent acquisitions of all of these companies lately by HP, this is their exact master plan.

I hope you have deciphered the code, and it is their roadmap for the next year. It's got to be pretty difficult to pull off, but if people could understand it easy enough and get off the Apple bandwagon, it really could take strides in the mobile/printer/tablet/computer/cloud/etc market.

This is an exciting prospect and could be extended to syncing all of this cloud data with non-webOS devices such as PCs. It’s going to be an exciting year!

I like the sound of this. Especially the Palm Profile attached to the cloud instead of a device. Something like this would be huge for universities. You forgot your phone on the charger when you ran out the door late for class, but need to print out your paper, so you roll into the computer lab on the way, login with your Palm Profile real quick, print that bad boy, and sneak into class right on time. Film it, there's your first commercial.

Nice article. Yes, I can definitely see HP moving in this direction - it completely makes sense. HP would need to sell or bundle cloud storage to help integrate everything else together and I would consider that a likely add-on product for webOS products.

Here are some other product lines they could relatively easily integrate into this same vision (thinking beyond):
1. Photo frames - use webOS to automatically pull pictures from local, cloud storage or Snapfish (utilize those Exhibition mode picture cycling, for example)
2. Digital cameras - just as we will start to see Android based cameras, webOS based cameras make sense too. Why should you have to manually upload pictures to the cloud, the user's home PC, or LAN storage when webOS could do it automatically based on predefined configurations set by the user? For example, the camera could automatically upload photos once it detects a user's home wifi connection.
3. NAS/Home Server - A NAS doesn't need a complicated interface - most are web based anyway. webOS has a web based interface built in already. A user can use their NAS/Home Server to make backups of PCs and webOS devices for those folks who don't trust the cloud.
4. webOSTV - ties in with NAS/Home Server for files on the local LAN (music, pictures, videos) and cloud based programming via streaming sources (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu).
5. PCs - HP won't control the OS here but they will need to create client software that can talk to backend services to make files on a users PC (music, video, documents) available to the cloud and, by extension, webOS clients.
6. Car Entertainment interface - webOS could do what Microsoft/Ford Sync does and Android will begin to show up here as well. HP has the scale to partner with the auto industry to make a webOS based system.

Exciting times!!

Good point on cloud storage. I can see HP give out a small cloud storage account and allow people to pay to increase the size. Even if they just allow 1Gb in the cloud, it would be enough for most of usages. So only people needs heavy data usage need to pay extra. That'll allow many people to get use to the cloud idea quickly.

Don't forget, HP just stopped support on their previous line of Windows based NAS solutions and rolled it into the Palm group. I don't know the exact names, but I remember seeing that story come up on here a few weeks ago. Can somebody dig it up? That could be a really good call.

Wow...those are exiting notions and similar to what I said in the past. I'm hoping you are right and new changes to the webOS and who HP/Palm eco-system succeed! Sorli...

Awesome comment. HP's mantra for webOS has constantly been "smartphones, tablets, and more" Honestly, I was annoyed that everyone kept saying "printers and toasters" (thank you whoever started that "toasters" meme) whenever referring to the "more" part. In contrast, you have outlined a very compelling, holistic picture of what they probably meant (Seriously, this is HP. When presented with the option of going big or going home, they tend to side with the former).

Exciting times, indeed. 8^)

I think this post is spot on. HP has been thinking big. A number of us have been pointing that out since the merger, and I think this sounds very much like what they plan to do. Imagine not only how good this sounds to consumers. Think about how much of a God send this could be for IT giving their users the mobility they need, along with the security and automatic back-up that the IT folks won't have to worry about. It would be even more interesting if HP found a way to allow you to use this data on the desktop/laptop at people's desks.

I think the media streaming/storage services are also part of this plan, more focused on the consumer side, and a bit to the traveling businessman or woman.

Can't wait to see what HP and Palm will reveal.

Plus, even given how big of a debacle it was, the Foleo showed that Palm was thinking in that direction, too. Now they have a huge parent company with deep pockets that wants to make the same thing happen (except on a larger scale). Oh, and the most elegant OS in the mobile world to date. Yeah, I'm pretty excited.

Sure, sounds good to me. But this is HPalm we're talking about, here. This could come to fruition some time in 2015.

I love all the ideas, but damn it we need a big advancement in battery technology more than ever.

i hear you. battery technology has been pretty stagnant in its development

Has anyone else seen the advertisements the NFL is running where the guy flips from laptop to smartphone to tablet to television?

Every time I see it I think "that's the synergy and the commercial I want to see HP run. Move from laptop to phone, to pad to television completely seamlessly and advertise it in an awesome manner.

I totally think the same thing I watch it. Every time I'm sure I'm about to watch an HP Palm ad, but it's just NFL.com.

It's called Dropbox and it's available free on all sorts of devices including smartphones. Perhaps HP could expand on this but HP really isn't a software company like Apple, is it?

They are a software company now, and Palm isn't the only people they have brought in that could help implement something like this.

Also, it is not like Dropbox. Dropbox has nothing to do with Apps, nothing to do with six email accounts, doesn't automatically start to sync stuff up when two devices are within range of each other.

If it will actually happen is a whole other question though, it would take more then a year for the full vision to be implemented, more then two probably. If it is even a goal of theirs.

What if there was a webOS computer....

would of been nice to have had new hardware and to advertise it during the upcoming superbowl.

I wasn't considering a tablet but if it were as connected as the picture painted in this article, then I would consider a purchase. It's a beautiful concept! I would love for it to extend to the PC, so I could bang out a spreadsheet on a PC and have it on any device. Better yet, create a powerpoint presentation and bluetooth or wifi connect to a projector, monitor or TV to present. I'm lovin this!

So I'm looking at all of the other blogs of The Smartphone Experts Network and they are all brimming with news (except for Nokia Experts). Then I come back here and I see made up "what ifs" and the promise a future date...to announce the future. *sigh*

Well, at least it's no longer "In the coming months". It's "next month". LOL!!

Great concept which sounds very feasible! I think for the public (beyond us Palm geeks, whom honestly is like, hopefully, less than 1% of HP's customer target base) the concept of having all your gadgets linked in ways you described (and beyond as suggested in other posts above, eg cars, cameras) would be a huge major selling point! All I can say is Feb 9th is well marked down in my diary.

It's a huge selling point for people who want to buy a smart phone, tablet, and have them connecting. Personally, I see it as a clever reason to justify purchasing a smart phone and tablet so a company can make more money of two purchases rather than one. I have a desktop, laptop, and smart phone. I don't need them to connect and I don't need a tablet. So none of this is of any use to me.

If you play music on your smartphone that resides on iTunes or some other desktop anchored PC, if you access email addresses that are common to both your laptop and your smartphone, if you snap photos and then load them on your PC to post to a social networking site, if you check a calendar that you need access to whether you're on a tablet, smartphone or PC, then you will buy in to this seamless synergistic vision.

It's a little small-minded to think this is about selling more devices. I know that once I got my Pre (minus), I was able to travel without my laptop for the first time and still feel connected. This vision is next wave and it's where we are going with our separate devices anyway. I bought a Treo and then a Centro to cut down on the number of separate devices crammed into my pockets (phone, music player, calculator, etc.). Now the trend continues with WebOS and cloud computing. And, I'm not marooned in an earlier orphaned OS when I commit to any one HP Palm device (as I would be in Android-land).

Genius, visionary, comprehensive, and I'm truly excited for February 9th and beyond.

This would be a great accomplishment that HP can achieve with its range and resources. Android devices and Iphones have nice specs but they're just devices with deeper app markets. If HP can provide these unified services without having a locked-down ecosystem like Apple or fragmented system like Android then HP will be able to advance the market.

This has been in my head ever since Palm made WebOS. I didn't think Palm could or ever would create this type of service when it was just Palm -- to small and not enough people or money to make it happen. Now that they are with HP, magical things can start to happen.

The fax machine could become even less important. Think about it. Need to send a document to someone over sea's? Don't have a fax machine? With a WebOS connected printer, and creating a specific "WebOS ID", you can send a document to any printer with and ID #.

Another possible situation is your away on vacation and are taking pictures with your phone. HP can do away with facebook and myspace, because now your family -- in real time -- can see every picture you send (or have it set where only a public folder will be displayed to your friends) and everyone one you WebOS friends list will see a notification and be able to see those photos. Your son just took his first steps and you were lucky enough to catch a video clip of that? Now your parents can see it to -- and anyone else -- because as soon as you save it, it goes to the cloud.

The possibilities are endless and with someone like HP behind them, it's all very possible. I think in Feb. 2011 we will see this announced. Not all these ideas, but the start of it. And they will continue to build on the foundation built this year. If they do this WebOS will be king because so many people will want these features.

It's just a question of whether HP can and will do this.

In case we have forgotten, we were given this vision by ex HP CEO Mark Hurd months ago. People were surprised at the time about the comments about the smartphone business but this was the vision he was alluding to. We are all a little focused on the future WebOS phones on this site but the vision painted in the original post is what HP bought Palm for. This was what Hurd said back in June of last year...

"We didn’t buy Palm to be in the smartphone business. And I tell people that, but it doesn’t seem to resonate well. We bought it for the IP. The WebOS is one of the two ground-up pieces of software that is built as a web operating environment…We have tens of millions of HP small form factor web-connected devices…Now imagine that being a web-connected environment where now you can get a common look and feel and a common set of services laid against that environment. That is a very valuable proposition"

Subsequently HP PR sought to clarify and spin the negative connotation about smartphones in Hurd's comment but I believe Hurd's comments truly did represent his vision. As others have said, hopefully HP can move on this vision in a speedy manner since others are clearly trying to move in a similar direction also.

It will be exciting to see this play out.
Also will be interested to see the fight between Google, Apple, HP etc over companies like Dropbox

I think that they are already doing this. If you go to their HPLabs site, a lot of this is already in the works and has been for quite some time. It appears that HP's acquisition strategy was to enable this vision, WebOS will obviously be a huge part of it.

I am personally excited by this and as a Verizon Pre+ owner am looking forward to Feb 9.

Your "Web OS Friends"? So, anyone who doesn't use Web OS won't be able to see your shared photos? That's a bit short sighted, because the Web OS community isn't growing. It's shrunken ever since Palm bought HP. And "Do away with Facebook and Myspace"? Really? HP is going to do away with Facebook and Myspace for who? Web OS users? Have fun with that. The rest of us will be communicating with people who use every other platform.

The 'cloud' is great....until the cloud is inaccessible. I love the innovation, but in the back of my mind, I always wonder if this furious race to move our data away from our devices is not going to come back to bite us one day. Plus those of us here in non-3G country still like to have actual files saved on our actual devices. I sure hope those options are not sucked away!

I agree, which is why my vision (and hopeful prediction) is of cloud-based syncing, not always-on thin clients. {Jonathan}

O.K., this makes me think the Apple model is doomed because it's closed and so protective rather than open and flexible like WebOS. This article sounds like the future of computer technology in our personal and business lives.

But, who knows?!

Open? Not... Seen WebOS legally running on any other manufactures phones? No, me either.

let me play a little substitution here, just for the heck of it...

Imagine you own two iOS devices: an iPhone 4 smartphone and a iPad tablet. The phone uses both WiFi and cellular data; the iPad is WiFi only, but is set to automatically tether to the phone if it's nearby and no known WiFi access point is available (just hit connect?); the iPad also has a VoIP app to make calls via the smartphone's service. You've got a single MobileMe account, linked to a dedicated Apple cloud-based service, which not only provides backup of accounts, but syncs the entire device in real-time whenever possible (like Dropbox). You've always got the iPhone in your pocket, but you only grab the iPad when you think you'll need it.

One day, you've left the iPad at home, but it turns out you need to access a document you've been writing on it. No problem; although the screen's much smaller, the document is available on your iPhone as well, since it synced from the iPad up to the MobileMe storage. A week later, you realize that you've left your iPhone on the subway, although happily your iPad is safe and snug in your knapsack. No problem; you walk into a coffeeshop, connect to its WiFi network on your iPad(oh wait, that has 3g, no coffee shop!), use it to issue a remote wipe command that only affects your smartphone (yep, on MobileMe), and head to the local cellphone carrier store to replace the smartphone hardware via your insurance (why not just trace it with GPS???). Within the hour, you've got a new phone, you log into the same profile, and poof, all your apps, data and even photos start appearing on it (shouldn't need ANOTHER phone, you didnt even try GPS). It may take some time to get everything loaded, especially via cellular data speeds, but that's okay too: you've still got the iPad, and everything is already on it. (Of course, any apps that function on one of the devices but not the other, like the iPad's VoIP app, will only sync to the one on which they work.(this is true)

This is a logical extension of everything that Apple already does. It builds on what Apple is already doing with the MobileMe cloud storage, but also leverages Apple's enterprise-level infrastructure, the availability of super-cheap mass storage (data centers), the growth of higher-bandwidth 4G cell connections (verizon) and ubiquitous WiFi. It potentially makes compliance for regulated industries much easier (assuming Apple provides the kind of security and backup it knows how to do[already in the works as Enterprises flock to iPads]), and avoids any IT-resource-hogging desktop or local server management. It's NOT both evolutionary and revolutionary. It's NOT big, it's NOT small, it's NOT most definitely beyond, and I already have it now if I just buy an iPhone and iPad. Oh you want to print from your iPad to a printer? Use Airprint.

This "utopia" you've described already exists, and by the second quarter of this year, Apple will have leapfrogged everyone again and reinvent the industry/technology. For HP/Palm to deliver this kind of service, would take them at least two years, and in the mobile technology realm, that timeframe you will be quickly forgotten. Not trying to be too hard on your vision, but cloud storage and hardware integration and syncing are being done as we speak. and if you have been under a rock and have not seen the range of products that companies have been putting out, then you should really remind yourself of how far HP Palm has to go in order to even CATCH UP (thats not even passing anyone!).

I am really hoping that the BEYOND is beyond what you have described, because they are already living it.

You have a valid point. However, Apple's reach is not as far and wide as HP's POTENTIAL reach. When you consider both enterprise and consumer lines, HP currently has far more product lines that could be integrated using webOS in a manner similar to how Apple and Google are doing (Apple and Google will probably both be moving into the areas I highlight in my earlier post).

The mobile game is being tilted toward companies with scale at this point due to the amount of integration and sheer number of services and partnerships that are required. Palm's webOS never would have survived and been the foundation for this type of ecosystem if they hadn't been acquired. RIM and Nokia are both struggling in this new paradigm (RIM may be ultimately acquired). Microsoft has rebooted their mobile OS (WP7) but their tablet strategy is still unclear - it doesn't appear they are going to be scaling WP7 up, instead it looks as if they might try to scale desktop Windows down in the Win7 successor (just announced they will run on x86 and ARM architectures) - but can they hold on with Win7 in tablets until 2012?

As a direct response to your post (somewhat of a loose counterpoint), Apple does not truly have a cloud-based model. Their products are still tied to iTunes hosted on a PC or Mac as the conduit for synching various types of info (music, videos, OS updates). webOS in some key aspects was the first post-PC (non-PC centric) mobile OS (honorable mention goes to Android which shares some of these characteristics too).

Alas, for the vast majority of users, they are not living it and the infrastructure as provided by Apple is inadequate.

My Palm Pre was damaged and a replacement was shipped to me. How did I configure the new device? I logged in and my apps and configurations appeared.

Apple? Well, you need a PC/Mac to connect to itunes. Sorry, that is far short of true cloud based storage.

Keep in mind, client server environment were the initial way computing was done. Society moved away from it for a very good reason. As time and distances grew larger, 100% connectivity was less of a guarantee.

A 100% cloud based model is not going to be the "final" setup most migrate too. What happens when the server/connections go down?

Cloud backup is coming. There will always be a limit on how much actual computing is done requiring the "cloud" due to security and reliability issues.

Think for a moment, a doctor is performing micro surgery and the link to the cloud goes down. I would not want to be the patient if his high tech computer enhanced devices stopped functioning.

MobileMe does a lot of what has been described, but iTunes is still used to transfer your data (contacts, apps, pictures, music, videos, so on) from one device to another. You can't go away on a trip and magically grab the music from your other devices (wait, actually you can with Google Android -- HAHA Apple, eat that!). You can't magically and automatically share every pictures in your phone with all your friends without even thinking about it (no, I don't count uploading them via facebook auto sharing -- you have to do that) and don't forget, MobileMe costs money -- doesn't?

What WebOS can do is put everything iOS, Google Android and Microsoft is doing and put it in one OS. Then they can go beyond what they are doing, and totally blow our minds.

Your right, everyone is doing this. Everyone is going to the cloud. However, the first company to go further and revolutionize what that means "going to the cloud" -- or redefine it -- will make a lot of money.

And honestly, I think Apple is HP's biggest threat. I believe Apple has been working on this vision of HP's for a long time. I do believe Mac OS X Lion (10.7) will be Apple's next step into the cloud and I believe it will blow our minds. The question is, will that be a small step, and iOS follow next year? And will HP get there first? Or will Google beat both of them to the punch and make HP and Apple eat their dust? It's a race to the cloud, it truly is.

Good thoughts. I do have to say though that the music model is changing rapidly as well. No long will you want to upload 30GB of music to the cloud, but you would rather pay $5 a month for a service that provides all the music you need. Just as the sales of in-store physical CDs have already been flushed out the window, so will the attachment of users like you and me to our precious music collections will go the same route. It is about access. As long as we can access X, we will be content. MobileMe does cost money yes, but are you assuming HP will provide all this cloud service for free? Surely HP has to make money (just as Google has the clout to offer services for free, since they 99% of their monies on advertising). Google can do it, Apple will be revamping their MobileMe services with their newly purchased data centers, and we have yet to see what HP (yes, the largest technology comp...) will be charging us. They cannot counter all these services for the users with the purchase price of the products. They will charge for the cloud just like everyone else.

Yes, we will wait and see who has the most seamless and refined cloud integration.

You saved me from typing this.

We already do this; I can pick up a movie, a book, a document from one device (say an iPhone) and pick it up from another right where I left off.

There are all sorts of permutations of this. But they already exist.

We are already doing this, so the rush to get there is too late.

The rush to expand on this concept, and spread it out over more tools, is the current drive.

Meaning that it's already being done and HP is late to the party. Literally late, as everyone else is announcing products at CES but HP. Doesn't HP have a booth there? What are they showing? The Pre 2?

This is a great idea. Complete sync with the clouds seems really good, but think about those which haven't an unlimited data plan...ouch.
Otherwise it sounds really good ! HP, if you read this article, think about it !

You bring up a good point in that if folks are going to have all these constantly connected devices, the nature of carrier plans has to change - plans for most carriers today are by device and assume one device per person. Ultimately, plans will need to shift toward a per person (and possibly usage-based) model. I can't foresee people wanting to pay for an additional plan for each additional device - especially if user isn't using all the devices simultaneously. Clear is the only US carrier that I'm aware of that has been pushing this sort of unlimited device plan.

I would imagine (and probably should have added to the article) that, as part of its deals with carriers, HP/Palm will arrange that synchronization will *not* count toward data use. {Jonathan}

Yeah. Good luck with that.

How can HP promise that, considering that if you are using the carrier's network to synch Data (not WiFi), You're using their data service? I'd love to see them try that with AT&T, who no longer has unlimited data services.

Maybe HP will start their own network.

Yea. AT&T customers come to mind on that "no unlimited data plan" issue. AT&T is releasing three new Android phones. Think they're waiting around for HP to get it together do something? I doubt it.

ok, I'm in . . .but I need hardware soon to replace my Day 1 Pre minus . . .

Good luck waiting around for that to happen any time soon after that big "February 9th" announcement. By the time you get it, a bunch of other people will be on dual core Android phones. Will HP have dual core? Who knows.

Soon we go to a HP WebOS store, & browse WebOS devices & Apps. Like a WebOS Toaster, Printer, Pad, phone. & MOST IMPORTANTLY... A data Plan with ComCast as voice minutes will be VOiP.
Netflix, Pandora, AngryBirds, Skype, etc...
So now you ask your friends & Family " Do you have HP WebOS"?
NOT do you have IPhone, IPAD, HTC, etc... Note HP branding not Palm. As everyone knows HP can/will pull this off..not Palm.

OK Gotta go to the WebOS store for my WebOS Toaster... My Rye toast & emails waiting..

i just wander why are they so late for everything.

They are clueless as to what their user base wants, so a bunch of MBA's get together to figure out what they think we will buy. Not me.

Too little too late unfortunately. I will not be replacing my phones with webos unless they can pick up at least 10% of the market share. I've already purchased an iPad so I won't need anything with WebOS in that arena. It just blows my mind that a technology company can move at a snails pace and expect play in the sand box.

We have a train. The locomotion is provided by Apple, which has the best engineer ever, Steve Jobs, commanding and controlling the machine. Also there is the Steve Jobs right hand man, the ideal user, waiting to be told what to do next.

Then you have the passenger car, which is, hello Android. The passenger cars have the most passengers, and also the best variety of foods to eat. This train is a very popular train and there are more and more passengers wanting to ride it. Still, Steve Jobs is at the very front, seeing what is coming up next and guiding this train along its tracks.

Then you have the caboose, which is basically everyone else (webos, bb, wp7). You might as well call them all "new," since more than one of them has decided they need a good refresh. one of them currently has 1.3% marketshare, so that's pretty much new and doesn't really have anything to lose at this point. another one recently created a new mobile os, and is trying really hard to catch up to anyone. then there is one of them who has a better tablet os than its phone and is losing ground quicker than you can say "choo, choo!" The point is everyone in the caboose pretty much goes where the train goes. The front steers, the middle grows, and the back either stays the same or at some point will ultimately be left at the station.

the moral of this story: its very hard to imagine an ecosystem as vast as the one described when there is one key element missing: users. and the more and more products android releases, the better it is for apple because there is just ONE. this recent influx of fancy android this and fancy android that will confuse the feeble customer, because they are presented with way too many choices (with very similar innards), and apple all by its lonesome has one or two products that they know by heart and they know that everyone else is using them. as much as i would like to use webos for everything in my entire life, its not *that* great of an os to do that. yes, its the best now, on paper, in the cloud, whatever you want to call it, but much like the bb playbook has already adapted some of the beloved features of webos, others will continue to innovate and copy and outdo webos and hp and palm on almost every front where it counts.

its hard to concentrate on the big picture when the small picture doesnt exist yet.

...and then all the passengers start to realize that their train cars all look the same.

Yes, and the Model T Ford was the only car needed, then we go the Big 3 US Auto and that is it... enough how many could we need, then off the shores of Trenton NJ come a bunch of foreign autos, then off the shores of Cal come the Asian made Autos..... of course all this happened in 3 yrs of the first Auto?? now were reshaping the world wide auto industry?? going to electric..l yea right who is gonna buy that stuff... opps I just got one... hummmmmm my gas savings is buying my new HP WebOS stuff.

so personally I am not happy with all this, for my Pre- replacement, but just like the PC took over consumer and business computing, so might WebOS? or maybe IOS and another 2 or 10 companies like car makers. Who knows but it will be fun to watch.

Hopefully most of us will be here for next 2 to 5 years to see everything really change and then we can laugh (LOL) at all these tree-hugger comments.

Hi all,

Being able to move from one device to another....as my beloved Grandmother would say, "Your lips to G-D's ears"...

Take care,


Sure. If you plan on buying an HPalm Tablet as well as a new HPalm Phone. Know anyone with Apple user budgets who haven't bought an iPhone and an iPad? Right. Let's see HPalm inspire anyone to buy a smartphone and a tablet so that they can go back and forth between the two for what reason, exactly other than to waste money and make HP rich? I don't see any need for bouncing from a phone to a tablet. Maybe someone else here does?

interesting read. For me personally there's just not a lot that appeals to me. I don't want a tablet. i wouldn't be writing anything important on that touch screen. Other then wifi printers don't appeal to me. I've never ever wanted to print something off a phone. Remote wipe is cool but it's already in a lot of smartphones, pretty standard on blackberry. So i already expected it. But if this had been about media, music, 100s of gigabytes of remote music storage, high def video recording, music production, business apps, Streaming live hd tv, i don't know that sort of stuff i think i'd be more interested.

But for those that this appeals to great. They should buy the products and enjoy and don't look back. The future looks bright. My interests when it comes to devices are much different.

February 9th event? No announcements of any kind at CES, while every vendor on the planet has released Android tablets and phones, dual core CPU based (including Tegra)more memory, more storage, and gingerbread. HP? Yea, we'll be skipping CES and hosting an event a month later, so if the two of you who are still left waiting round will wait for another month, we'll have something to show you. LOL!!!

Dark_Blu -- Well, Apple is not at CES. Last I checked, they were a pretty big thing. Perhaps HP looked at all of the android 'clutter' at CES and decided that it was wiser to showcase their new products in a focused environment. I think that is probably a wise decision.

Your basic premise that in 4 weeks there will be no room left in the marketplace or mindshare for an innovative product is absurd. If nothing else webOS will be presented as a clear, simple alternative to the chaos that the android marketplace is becoming.

Love the vision laid out by the OP. Wish I could get someone to write a webOS interface for the stereo in my GTI, though. The existing one is ok, but a webOS version would be fantastic. @DanPLC, what do you think? :-D

the PalmPad is WiFi only, but is set to automatically tether to the phone if it's nearby and no known WiFi access point is available

Add a PixelQi screen and that's pretty much my Jesus, Mary, and Joseph Tablet right there.

According to CNN http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/01/06/android.ces.smartphones/index...., the February event will focus on "Palm software". I guess we'll have to keep waiting for new hardware.

I realize this is a late comment, but I just now ran across something. The hardware and idea of this seems to already exist, albeit without webOS.


And no, I'm not a spam bot like the two above me. :-P

This is a combination netbook, tablet, and MID, all-in-one, or separate. The tablet and MID are whole units. The extras include an item that allows the tablet to be used as an external second monitor or to throw any USB host's output to a TV as a second monitor. The keyboard is bluetooth. The damn thing runs 4 different operating systems simultaneously, they say.

The price point is what I like, too. 550.

Now, I'd LOVE to see it with webOS. Make that MID in the back a webOS phone, allow me to transfer my documents over seamlessly, and I'll be happy as a peach.