Palm Announces Q2 FY2010 Results 59
Palm has just announced their quarterly results for the second quarter of fiscal year 2010.
Revenues for the quarter were a lowly $78.1 million with a gross profit of $5.5 million. These numbers, Palm is quick to point out, are GAAP-adjusted, which is to say the "revenues and direct cost of revenues for Palm webOS products [...] are deferred and recognized over the products' estimated economic lives."
Non-GAAP accounting paints a slightly prettier picture: $302.0 million revenue and gross profit of $77.3 million. Net loss (non-GAAP) for the quarter: $85.4 million.
Total smartphone shipments was also disappointingly low: 783,000 units shipped, 573,000 sell-through.
The numbers are are generally lower compared to last quarter, which saw GAAP adjusted revenues of $100.6 million and a net loss of $164.5 million. Last quarter Palm shipped 823,000 units. Palm does not break out specifics on which phones make up their shipment numbers.
Rubinstein's quote indicates they're still looking at the long term and feeling good about the work they're doing now, however:
"We are continuing to execute strongly against our long-term strategy with the delivery of Palm Pixi, the new carrier launches completed this quarter, and the upcoming opening of Palm’s full developer program,” said Jon Rubinstein, Palm’s chairman and chief executive officer. “We’re still in the early stages of a long race, and we’re energized by the opportunity to compete in this exciting market. We remain confident that Palm’s innovative product design capabilities, integrated cloud services and the differentiated and delightful Palm webOS experience will provide the foundation for our sustained success.”
Full release after the break. We'll listen in on the call and let you know if any news sneaks in there.
Update: Quick update on numbers: I'm neither an accountant nor an analyst, but it does sound to me like Palm is looking at slimmer margins on the Pix (no surprise) and increased expenses from both Marketing and R&D. In that context, not so bad.
Update 2: We got confirmation of webOS 1.3.5 and a hint that we won't see new products beyond Pre and Pixi for awhile. Check out the details here.
SUNNYVALE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Palm, Inc. (NASDAQ:PALM) today reported that total revenues in the second quarter of fiscal year 2010, ended Nov. 27, 2009, were $78.1 million. Gross profit was $5.5 million, and gross margin was 7.0 percent. These results include the effects of subscription accounting applied to Palm® webOS™ products as required by GAAP.(1) In accordance with this methodology, revenues and direct cost of revenues for Palm webOS products (currently Palm Pre™ and Palm Pixi™ smartphones) are deferred and recognized over the products’ estimated economic lives.
To facilitate comparisons to Palm’s historical results, Palm has included non-GAAP adjusted measures, which exclude the impact of subscription accounting, stock-based compensation and other items detailed later in this release. The company believes this information will help investors better evaluate its current period performance and trends in its business.
Non-GAAP Adjusted Revenues in the second quarter totaled $302.0 million, non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Profit was $77.3 million and non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Margin was 25.6 percent.
“We are continuing to execute strongly against our long-term strategy with the delivery of Palm Pixi, the new carrier launches completed this quarter, and the upcoming opening of Palm’s full developer program,” said Jon Rubinstein, Palm’s chairman and chief executive officer. “We’re still in the early stages of a long race, and we’re energized by the opportunity to compete in this exciting market. We remain confident that Palm’s innovative product design capabilities, integrated cloud services and the differentiated and delightful Palm webOS experience will provide the foundation for our sustained success.”
The company shipped a total of 783,000 smartphone units during the quarter, representing a 5 percent decrease from the first quarter of fiscal year 2010 and a year-over-year increase of 41 percent compared to the second quarter of fiscal year 2009. Smartphone sell-through for the second quarter was 573,000 units, down 29 percent from the first quarter of fiscal year 2010 and down 4 percent year-over-year.
On a GAAP basis, net loss applicable to common stockholders for the second quarter of fiscal year 2010 was $(85.4) million, or $(0.54) per diluted common share. This compares to a net loss applicable to common stockholders for the second quarter of fiscal year 2009 of $(508.6) million or $(4.64) per diluted common share. The company’s second quarter of fiscal year 2009 results included a non-cash charge with a net impact of $396.7 million to the tax provision pertaining to the increase of the valuation allowance for the Company’s U.S. deferred tax assets.
The company’s net loss applicable to common stockholders on a GAAP basis reflects accounting guidance, effective in the first quarter of fiscal year 2010, which requires the anti-dilutive provisions of Palm’s series C preferred shares and related warrants to be treated as derivatives for financial reporting purposes. The fair value of the derivatives were estimated as of the first day of fiscal year 2010 and are marked to market on a quarterly basis, with any change in value reflected in the company’s financial results for the period. The series C derivatives balance was $178.7 million at the end of the second quarter of fiscal year 2010 compared to $235.0 million at the end of the first quarter of fiscal year 2010. This reduction in fair value resulted in a $56.3 million non-cash gain on series C derivatives and was reflected in the company’s second quarter GAAP financial results. With regard to the series C derivatives, any future increases in Palm’s stock price from period to period will be reflected as a non-cash loss on these derivatives in the company’s financial results, and any future decreases will be reflected as a non-cash gain in the company’s financial results.
Non-GAAP Net Loss for the second quarter of fiscal year 2010 was $(59.6) million, or $(0.37) per diluted share. This compares to a non-GAAP Net Loss for the second quarter of fiscal year 2009 of $(80.2) million, or $(0.73) per diluted share.
Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, or EBITDA, for the second quarter of fiscal year 2010 totaled $(70.1) million. EBITDA, adjusted to exclude the impact of subscription accounting, stock-based compensation, net other income (expense), restructuring charges and a gain on series C derivatives, or Adjusted EBITDA, totaled $(48.3) million.
The company’s cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments balance was $590.0 million at the end of the second quarter of fiscal year 2010. This includes net proceeds of approximately $360 million from the company’s public equity offering, which closed on Sept. 23, 2009. Cash from operations for the second quarter of fiscal year 2010 was $16.7 million.
Palm may periodically provide new software features free of charge to customers of its Palm webOS products and currently recognizes Palm webOS product revenues and related standard cost of revenues on a subscription basis based on the applicable product’s estimated economic life, which is currently 24 months. The company records deferred revenues and deferred cost of revenues on its balance sheet, and amortizes them into earnings on a straight-line basis over the estimated economic product life.
Palm announced today that it expects to early adopt two recently released accounting standards related to revenue recognition, Accounting Standards Update (“ASU”) No. 2009-13 and ASU No. 2009-14, effective for its third quarter of fiscal year 2010. These accounting changes will result in a substantial portion of Palm webOS product revenues being recognized upon delivery. The remaining Palm webOS revenues, which are related to future services and deliverables, will be recorded as deferred revenues on the company’s balance sheet, and amortized into earnings on a straight-line basis over the estimated economic product life, which is currently 24 months. Under the new standards, all related cost of revenues will be recognized upon delivery. This change in accounting will reduce the amount of revenues that Palm will defer on its balance sheet but will have no impact on cash flows and does not change how Palm accounts for Palm OS® products, like the Centro™, or its Treo™ line. Consistent with the company’s past practice, Palm will continue to provide non-GAAP, adjusted measures that exclude the impact of deferred revenue accounting, stock-based compensation and other items as appropriate.




















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not bad 2010 is gonna be a tough year but I'm conifent palm will make it.
So did this meet, beat or come below the last official guidance given by Palm?
it's not good. it's mixed. as i posted in the earlier thread
From Cnbc
37 cents a share loss. estimate was .32 cents a share
$302mil revenue vs $267 mill estimate.
783K smartphone shipped but sell through is only 573k, lots shipped. But less sold. (That's bad news. my words not cnbc) so a mixed bag but my guess is palm will get hit. RIMM will fly cause no bad news from them."
strange. how do you have $35 Million more then expected in revenue but have a greater then expected share loss?
stock has gone down 4% in after hours. So despite some reports that losses are down i think the street clearly thinks, bigger per share losses are bad and shipping phones to sprint but not selling them is bad for the future.
So then the answer to my question was "beat expectations".
actually, its closer to 1.6 million.
thats not a terrible first half, about what I expected. that they halved the net loss for this quarter with in the gapp adjusted values must mean something good.
or not, i don't have a deep understanding of what that means, so perhaps halving your losses is somehow worse?
...and there goes the stock price... :(
we still don't know how many pres have been sold?
About 1.5 million webOS devices, Palm does not announce sales per device.
no they don't break them out but you know they sold total smartphones which i guess would include some small percentage of centros would be only 573,000 for the quarter. if i remember the number correctly. But i don't think that is a stellar quarter especially when compared to the competitor of the day, RIMM, who The company added 4.4 million net new subscribers shipped about 10.1 million devices. That compared to Palm shipping 700K+ but i'm no authority.
edit: i just remembered the Pixi was added too so some of that smartphone is pixi. Wonder if this means Pixi isn't doing that great.
Ok, but RIMM shipped 10+ million units this quarter, and 4+ million new users.
(Man, I don't know where all these phones go)
I hope by CES they show something like the multitouch surface phone shown on gizmodo, or something to catch attention.
Imagine most developers have moved on to Android, except those employed full time.
Alright, about 1.5 million webOS devices, then. I figure that number will triple or quadruple by June '10.
Why?
This is based upon the Verizon launch in 4 weeks, where the Pre will debut as the hottest-looking mobile (with the best OS!).
Also, the AT&T launch, which is reasonably 3 months from now.
If Sprint sells another 1 million in the next 6 months,
And Verizon sells 1.5 million,
And AT&T sells 1 million.
That's 6 million webOS devices in the USA alone.
No doubt, by this time next year, there will be at least 12 million webOS devices worldwide, probably 1/4 the number of iPhone OS devices at that time, which ain't bad.
After all, the smartphone world is a race for 2nd.
Except that most people who bought a Pre did so because they were on Sprint and it was the flagship smartphone. It didn't attract a lot of people from other carriers. Now those people who didn't switch to Sprint to get the Pre will buy one now instead of a Droid or an iPhone?
Over the Droid? Certainly. Droid and Android both seem so Plain Jane compared to the Pre, Pixi and webOS. You don't agree?
Over the iPhone? iPhone is not for everyone (yours truly). Hence, 1 mil. in 6 months on AT&T. A conservative figure.
You're dreaming. Verizon sold a million of those Droids already. Most people who don't want the iPhone don't want to switch to AT&T. The main selling point of the Pre is cheaper Sprint plans. If you're not going to go for that, the Pre would be lucky to take 1 out of a dozen sales among Droid, Blackberry, and iPhone.
i'd agree. i have a pre cause i wanted a real keyboard and can't afford aT&T. Now i don't really care much about a keyboard as i don't like the palm, use your thumbnail keyboard. And when they come off AT&T next year iphone will be a juggernaut. but i used the droid. it's a darn good phone. it's kinda ugly but that software on a sexier phone will sell. and the other thing is Motorola makes phones like old men pee: often. But, from an investor standpoint, looking at Rimm, Apple, the positives from Motorola. At the moment i'd rather be in something other then Palm because management doesn't seem to be able to deliver the earnings.
No way on Earth the iPhone will be leaving AT&T in 2010.
Where are the official statements that a million Droids have been sold?
I switched from Verizon, whose service I could afford and was very happy with, just for the Pre. There are quite a few different instances of this happening that I know of.
The numbers should grow once either the pre or pixi get released on verizon. Many more users on that network should equal many more phones sold. WE SHALL PREVAIL!!!! LOL
Jon just said that 1.3.5 will be highlighted at CES, include App limit fix, application and Wifi performance improvements, and help battery life.
Looks like they might be waiting until after the holiday to release it then. If they don't get it out today or tomorrow, then I completely agree with this scheduling.
So CES will focus on fixing what's broken? Not so good...
They should be revealing megaton newness, like 1.4 in January with GPU support. That needs to happen.
That would be an awful waste.. I thought the room they booked held something like 1500 people. All that to show off a minor incremental update? Weak.
My guess is CES will show off the Pre on Verizon and a new update other then 1.3.5. Unless you can show what source your information is coming from.
my guess is from an investor standpoint that's not close to enough to impress them. but being on verizon should help their bottom line. HOw much i'm not sure. Clearly RiMM and Droid (Motorola) seem to be doing well on that very platform so there is competition. Plus by that time this "google phone" may be announced. don't know what that is or how it's different from android but it's all over the blogosphere.
Jon just said that 1.3.5 will be highlighted at CES, include App limit fix, application and Wifi performance improvements, and help battery life.
Looks like they might be waiting until after the holiday to release it then. If they don't get it out today or tomorrow, then I completely agree with this scheduling.
"Just this morning we launched Ares" ... I don't see it yet though.
Ah, never mind, it's released for testing with all slots full.
http://ares.palm.com
interesting comment i'm paraphrasing "We don't believe in having a lot of phones. we want a few devices. We've got two good phones now pixi and pre"
tell me Palm is trying to be more like iphone in having less phones and maybe less like RIMM or samsung or windows mobile phones with a whole bunch of phones. i found it an interestinginsight into where they will be going.
Not good news because these aren't two good phones. One is aimed at the low low end. The Pre is a flop...built to last a few months.
Mine has lasted over 6 months now.
Doesn't matter. Pre is a flop. Palm has less sales..more carriers.
Verizon is around the corner. Prove it is a flop. If it was a flop Palm stock would be $0.
Look at the results they posted.
WebOS and potential is driving the stock. Not the Pre or its dismal sales. Palm needs some solid hardware.
Don't feed the troll...
Don't be an idiot. If you're that clueless then move on. I'm sure someone will start up a "i love my Pre even if sales suck" thread made just for you in the forums.
If you look at the big picture, last year Palm had a loss of 500mil+ so I can only view this as a solemn victory for Palm. Once Palm releases the Pre and Pixi to other carriers then things should pick up again. I know people that won't get the Pre because it's on Sprint.
Personally, I'm tired of the blogs hating on Palm so bad(not this one). I don't own a Palm device and it's tiring for me, I can only imagine how Palm device owners feel. From what I've been told from friends, they're happy with their Pre.
on this point i'm not sure. Views of that "troll" aside. I think palm has major issues. I listened to the whole call. and there are some fundamental facts. Palm is selling phones to sprint but sprint is not selling nearly as many to customers. I heard most of the sprint call the other month too and clearly the Pre did not do as well as sprint wanted. So the trend on sprint is down not up and that is a concern. If you look at the big picture you have to say what is going to make sell through increase not decrease quarter over quarter cause that's what the competitors are doing.
These are financial professionals. They are talking raw numbers from palm. not even speculation of returns and other crap like they relied on before. I think aside from Gizmodo which is full of just haters, most people discussing palm aren't out hating. They are analyzing the company against other competitors and assessing it's place in the market. I think that's perfectly fair and right now Palm doesn't measure up. Long term it's gotta get on more carriers and so much was said on the call so that is no surprise.
Both are good phones. At first, yes there were issues, but the Pre's being sold now have a better build quality. People always harping on old info. I would like a side slide though.
Proof is in the sales. Reduced pricing? More carriers? Less sales.. Flop..
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it's far from a flop. I dont' know if it's good or bad news personally. It just tells me that they seem to be not be doing like, say samsung, which is make tons of phones. This is just information. Insight to their approach to the market. I mean hell their financial numbers are the bad news. This is just info. but it's far from a flop, it sold well initially. And my phone has lasted since August and it's an original never traded so i don't get where you're getting, built to last a few months.
That sounds like the opposite of the what Apple does. What Palm is trying to say is they won't be releasing new phones annually like what Apple does.. That's how I perceive the quote. And in any case if you think Apple doesn't have lot's of phones you're out of your mind. In three years they released 3 models which have 7 different configurations (Storage space-wise). That's a lot and that's a short period of time.
But then again, Apple refreshes everything annually. While I kinda like this/kind don't like it about Apple, I'd prefer Palm stick more to improving software and standing behind their current hardware than worry about improving software and designing new hardware.
While the Pre doesn't have the greatest build quality, I have to say my 4th one is pretty damn solid. I think this ones a total keeper and it actually feels sturdy as hell. I know I shouldn't have gone through 4 of them but at least they acknowledged the issue and were quick to support it.
That's what lets me forgive the hardware and focus attention on the software.
Totally wrong. Apple has been masterful in maintaining compatibility among iPhone models. Heck, there is even an iPod that will run iPhone OS apps. Over 50 million devices that all can be upgraded to iPhone 3.0 and will run 95% of the apps out there. Storage space means nothing in terms of what apps can be used.
Palm released TWO devices and managed to end up with two different screen resolutions and one that doesn't have wifi.
apple doesn't truly release new phones every year. they have updates most of the time. more memory, 3g, sometimes major software upgrades. but same form factor. now samsung, they release 50 phones every year. for the record i'm still on my first pre. So my build quality is fine.
Palm doesn't need to build the best smartphone to do better in this race. They need better marketing, period!
I've had my Pre for 21 weeks. It has been reliable, and I have not suffered any of the things that others reported in hardware or software failure. It felt like a loss at first because of the many apps that I had on my Treo that didnt transfere over. However, I have been completely impressed with my Pre's browser speed and ability to navigate through its features that were actually promised at the time of purchase. I didnt buy my phone hoping it would change to the better, I bought it for was and enjoy the upgrades as they come. Hooray to Preware BTW. I do hope for further upgrades just like I plan on making more money in the future but see no improvement from crying about my present status on either. I would suggest that whining about features that weren't on a device when I bought it seems to suggest a character flaw in the the buyer not the device. I personally reveiw purchases BEFORE the purchase and try to make informed decisions. I do like some features on other devices but, like many others, see Palm with a resurgence based upon their device not as a company going under.
Well honestly after months of being around town and travelling, I've only seen TWO people with pre's,and that was husband & wife. And yes, I've been looking.
Pretty sad for southern california.
Just had to buy puts even though earnings spikes in the last 2 quarters.
Palm, come up with something big at CES, or settle for being a after thought.
interesting. i mentioned this months back. since launch to this day. i've never seen anyone with a pre other then a friend that bought at launch. And i live in L.A. Not exactly sparsely populated.
Sorry guys and gals. I just couldn't wait around for Pre to 'become' something. Palm is treading water and is holding onto a prayer that when the 'REAL' first version of WebOS comes about the Pre can somehow be reincarnated. Honestly, by the time that eventually happens, the phone will be last year's news...no pun intended. Android OS will be prove itself to be 'prince' to the iphone and maybe the heir apparent. Let's face facts....the folks over at Google have the moolah to do it and many phone manufacturers are adopting the platform. I can honestly say without bias that I really do like my Hero. There are things that I miss about WebOS, but Android and HTC have addressed those few things with apps that fill in the blanks. I think I'm starting to see some small cracks in the hull of the Palm ship.
There's a lot of Palm bashers here that I see. RIM sold so many phones 'coz of their BOGO (buy 1 get 1 free) sales policy, and also most of their models were dumped on Amazon for $0.01 !! Just accept the fact that RIM is still working on their OS, it also does not have a good browser yet. It is not wise to buy a smartphone with a 2-yr. contract whose OS and browser are still not ready yet. RIM is working their butt off to finish these projects by mid 2010.
Palm gave warning and guidance for Q2 in their Q1 2010 ER/CC. And based on those guidance analysts formed their estimates. So for example we see now that in Q2, Palm beat the analysts' avg. estimate of high revenues (est. was $280mil. and actual was $302mil.) by $22 million. Similarly, analysts' estimate of no. of units shipped was 600,000, and Palm shipped 783,000 units. Only that Palm's expense was just a 'nickel' short of analysts' avg.
Palm didn't give any new guidance for Q3/Q4, and expects the prior guidance for 2010 fiscal year rev. will be between $1.6billion and $1.8 billion. Palm currently has over 1/2 $ billion cash. PALM IS EXECUTING PERFECTLY. I don't expect PALM to fall below $11 in regular trading although PALM closed around $10.72 in AH. Hopefully PALM will jump back above $11 in pre-openning.
that must be some tastey koolaid you're drinking. "PALM IS PERFECTLY?" WebOS is nice and palm is unlikley to implode soon but i doubt the most ardent palm fanboy would claim palm "is executing perfectly."
Ouch! Down 13% in early trading.
The Street clearly does not like the very low number of units moved.
Wow!! 600,000 sold in 3 months.
Sprint has ~~20,000 distribution points (retail outlets that sell Sprint phones and service) so that means only .33 Pre were sold per distribution point per day.
Even if you count out half of the 20K stores that is only 2/3 of a phone a day per store!!
Ouch.
It seems like the public firmly wants Palm to die. webOS delivers way more than the iPhone did in its first year, but is more vulnerable to criticism for some reason.
Today I actually believe that Palm may not make it to 2012. Maybe the iPhone's usability will catch up by then?
OK, they're solid at $10.
I feel better, may even buy again in April.
"vulnerable to criticism"? Is that a euphamism for performs poorly? Do yourself a favor and don't trade stocks if you think that a lower stock price is a result of a public conspiracy to kill a company. Really.
+1
their low stock price is a result of below expected performance. Not a "bashing" or conspiracy or the other things people keep mentioning. Lots of people are taking this way too personally.
Oof, PALM is down 18% this morning.
Like a kick in the gut.