Palm CEO Ed Colligan Talks Pre with Investors 50
We're listening to Ed Colligan talk to investors about the state of Palm and what some of their plans are going forward. Some interesting tidbits:
- There will be no more PalmOS devices released by Palm (excepting the Centro getting released on other carriers). They're focused on webOS and Windows Mobile.
- Not only will Palm have an app store at launch, they're not locking down the device so you can only install apps from their app store. You'll be able to "side load" apps directly over USB or over the air from any provider. Good news!
- While Palm can't comment on how long exclusivity will last with Sprint, they are able to say that outside the US they have partnerships going with other carriers. Colligan specifically mentioned North America (We already knew that will be Bell Canada for sure), Latin America (multiple carriers) and Europe (we strongly suspect that will be Vodafone).
- Speaking of that exclusivity, Palm hopes that a strong launch with Sprint will attract other US carriers. He specifically mentioned that Palm would be looking at releasing on other carriers in the 2010 timeframe.
- As far as applications go, Colligan said that there are a few they feel they need to have at launch. Specifically, he mentioned Epocrates, a great medical app.
- On the issue of PATENTS, Colligan made sure to note that there are no pending legal actions with Apple right now. More pointedly, he noted that Palm has 15 years worth of patents (over 1500 of them in total) and that in patent fights often go like this:
The reason you do that is to have a defensive position. It's like two little porcupines going around, and you don't want to touch each other because you might get stung. You peacefully coexist and everything's OK and you keep working together. We're very respectful about people's intellectual property, we believe we're huge innovators and have been for a lot of years and that this product has an enormous number of innovations in it. If something does happen there, we do have the portfolio, we think to defend ourselves and to be successful doing that. But nothing's happened to date, so we're really just focused on getting the product out the door.
That about does it for the newsy-bits. Colligan also expressed happiness with their relationship with Sprint, noting that despite their woes, Sprint has over 50 million subscribers and there are more PalmOS users on Sprint than on any other network.
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Question of the day, is Ed doing a hula dance or The Thriller in this picture?
Seriously though I'm glad to hear that we will be able to install anything we want on the Pre. This is a major pita on the iPod touch and iPhone.
I pulled the image from Palm's CES presentation, he's gesturing over to Jon Rubenstein there. But Colligan is a fun and nice guy, so I figured a fun picture of him would be nice. :)
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It's like two little porcupines going around, and you don't want to touch each other because you might get stung.
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Like I was thinking, no Pre on VZW until 2010! Let's hope its alittle sooner.
2010! Ugh. Hmmm, looks like I'll be heading to Sprint soon to get a hold of the Pre but will keep my AT&T account.
All i need to know is when will i be able to buy the GSM version of this beast here in finland, or have an unlocked GSM version from other european countries if it won't come here?
If it's going to be after july i will be very pissed off. To me personally it doesn't make any sence that some phones never make it to such countries as finland or as iphone did come years after the release. Im sure there's a reasonable, but not very good explanation for this?
Eventually there will probably be a unlocked version. In the beginning you probably have to buy it from another european country. Thats what i expect i have to do.
The explanation for the missing phones is probably that the manufacturer has enough work by supplying the big countries, and possibly that selling to a big or little country takes the same time. But the big country will buy more phones == higher profit.
While Palm can't comment on how long exclusivity will last with Sprint, they are able to say that outside the US they have partnerships going with other carriers
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Doesn't affect me, but I think a LOT of MD's just breathed a sigh of relief to hear Colligan mention needing to have Epocrates available on launch day.
Near as I can tell, this one's the killer app that drew a lot of doctors to PalmOS.
I just assumed there would be no Epocrates for WebOS for months. This is the best news I've heard regarding the device. Maybe the fact that its WebOS makes it easier to create a compatible software. AMAZING. WELL DONE
I too am happy to hear this news. I was confident epocrates would have a a version for WebOS fairly quickly, but I never imagined it was important to Palm or Sprint that it be available at (or very close to) the release.
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The question was: "App store at launch?"
The answer was: "We'll have an App store."
My question: "At launch?"
You'll be able to "side load" apps directly over USB or over the air from any provider.
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It's encouraging to hear Palm reps beginning to demonstrate that they realize it's been the availability of third-party SOFTWARE all along that has built and maintained the Palm economy through all of Palm's missteps.
They can put as much lipstick they want onto the Pre pig, but if it soon becomes apparent it can't do what the Treo could some five years ago then it's just a pretty phone.
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No more palmOS devices...expected. The presentation at CES was focusing on the fact that webOS is a completely new system built from the ground up.
That app store is kind of important. New the Pre wouldn't be completely locked down because of the Sprint Software store...but glad to see that there will be other ways for developers to get their software out there. This is an incredibly smart move by Palm...esp considering at CES they did say the device was designed with developers in mind...in fact Ed said that.
If the Pre is on other carriers by 2010 that will be one of the shortest exclusive carries ever. Of course if it happens, neat. If not I'd expect Palm to at least have another phone design that they haven't shared yet to offer to other carriers.
It will be interesting to see what apps are availiable at the launch. Just remember...once the SDK is public it's a whole new ballgame. I'm thinking of being crazy and creating some apps for myself...can't share them because of some stupid telecom development agreement with my job...but I can have my own pretty apps to keep to myself. Mine...my own...my precioussss....ok, no more Hobbit before Pre Central before bed for me.
Why does this patent thing beginning to seem like the Nuclear warhead build up? We have them so the otherside don' use theirs.
Because it is.
This is good news, but it's very late for Palm supporters, maybe too late. (It'll never be late for Palm die-hards, of course.) Palm's new OS should have been rolled out years ago but they just kept trying to get revenue from the same old stuff while other manufacturers and carriers (like T-Mobile and the G1) rolled on ahead of them.
Palm will likely get some newbies to mobile computing who have no prejudices, but changing minds with established users will be harder. Speed-to-market is something else Palm needs to work on - their announcement about Palm WebOS and the new Pre at the Consumer Electronics Show was just that: an announcement. You couldn't go to a retailer and get a new Palm platform phone that day.
I hope Palm has learned a good lesson from this - when you rest on your laurels and past glories, someone else will innovate.
At least there's hope. Whilst Palm was gradually dying under the weight of Palm OS's limitations I was beginning to believe there was no hope of their long term survival, and I'd hate to have to go back to a Windows Mobile device. Now Palm have a chance of survival in the market once more...
alot of people are going to be real upset and might back out of getting the palm pre if they dont release it on feb 15th.. because sprint reps are saying feb 15th it will be coming out..and alot of people will feel like they been stood up and let down..
on the sprint website at the top they have a button to click that will email you when the pre comes into stores..meaning that its real soon. not next month or summer time..
with the treo pro their is nothing about it on the sprint site meaning its not coming anytime too soon..
palm dont let us down by not having the pre released feb 15th 2009..we have our money in our hands ready to head to the sprint store as soon as they open up to get this phone.
I do a lot trading and if I was an investor of Palm, I would tell Palm they better bring it out soon. This suspense might be good in the short term, but definitely not in the long run. Keeping investors and consumers will most likely make them look elsewhere. This happened to the internet companies. Many investors and consumers put a lot of money and time with the internet companies, but when they ultimately failed to show return on their investment they pulled out (by the way, that was start of the recession we are experiencing right now). Palm needs to put out the Pre and webOS out into the market to see how it does, instead of just talking about it.
My concern for Pre regarding Apple is not with the patents, (I'm quite confident Palm has more patents than Apple does and we have seen that iphone steps all over quite a few of thewm already) but with the timing. We all heard the rumours by now of Apple releasing version 3.0 in June. it is expected that this new version will contain fixes for pretty much all of iphones current shortcomings and potentially the release will include new hardware. The concern is Apple potentially releasing the new iphone and/or software in advance of the "Pre" release.
Iphone already has significant momentum and if Palm hopes to get a toe hold, they better release this "Pre" before Apple realeases either version 3 or the new phone. Speaking for myself, if there is a new Version 3 softwre AND/OR new hardware, I would be hard pressed to switch back to Palm if all or the majority of my iphone concerns have been addressed.
If on the other hand "Pre" is released in March or April - it will be easy for me to switch not knowing whether or not Apple has fixed or improved the iphone.
Being an iPhone user, I have to tend agree with you John. It was just all over the news that there are over 20,000 Apps for the iPhone (and iTouch) now. That alone is huge mementum for current and future iPhone users to stick with it, instead of moving over to the Pre. Furthermore, with the point that you made with the next iPhone or software upgrade coming in the near future, people might not cross that line. Palm and Sprint needs to bring out the Pre by March, latest. Even, in my opinion, April is too late. I say this is because if the next iPhone is scheduled to come out in June they will start advertising it in April. If this were to happen the spotlight will switch from the Pre to the iPhone, whether people like to admit it or not.
The bit about the huge number of apps was used for years by the windows camp to steer people away from Mac's, when in reality most of us only need a few dozen (insert your number here) of the basic, critical ones that work together and do their jobs efficiently and intuitively.
I wish I had not bought into this years ago and just got a Mac, as I was too much a rookie to understand that, but the point is if Pre has a goodly number of the important apps THAT WORK BETTER, it may be better than having hundreds of choices most of us will never use.
The 20,000 number doesn't scare me.
As a non-phone Palm user (dating back to the Pilot), I am disappointed but not surprised. I can only wonder what might have been if Palm had either pursued the MID market (before there was even the acronym) with the never released OS6 or if the had kept the TX format for their phones and beat Apple's touch phone to market by years.
I wanna play with it.. but unless it's horrible this will be my next phone...
I can't wait for this phone to come out. I have stuck with the Palm Treo 650 this whole time. The comment about "Palm's TX" hardware, you are absolutely correct. Palm could have used this as an opportunity to make that form into a phone and it would have been ahead of the iPhone, but that's yesterday's wishes.
I want to have this phone now. I've been patiently (kind of) waiting for a new release from Palm and I'm really getting tired of the 650. I won't abandon it though, not for a winmo phone or a Blackberry especially since I would need to buy a new 'Blackberry' equipped plan. Oh no, I'll stick with Palm. I just hope that I can somehow still use all my old apps on the Pre. I'm checking my email several times a day and checking Sprint's website for the release.
Ed talks about PalmOS apps and developers as if they were an asset. They are not. The PalmOS devices were successful because you could find almost any feature you needed in a cheap or free app. The base software was good but of necessity very general. It was optimised for usability, for example on the Treos single hand operation. Almost every PalmOS app represents a challenge to the "web developer" to achieve the same usability and many will just not make it, as many PalmOS apps fell by the wayside in the past 12 years. The thousands of PalmOS apps available today are the good ones. It won't take 12 years to develop a library of good apps for the WebOS but it will take more than one. If the output of today's "web developers" are any indication, I don't find the Internet riddled with quality, it will take a lot more than one.
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I think they did a good job with the pre. The Ceo should be proud of it. I just love my pre.
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I think a LOT of MD's just breathed a sigh of relief to hear Colligan mention needing to have Epocrates available on launch day. I can tell, this one's the killer app that drew a lot of doctors to PalmOS. This is the best news I've heard regarding the device, Maybe the fact that its WebOS makes it easier to create a compatible software. AMAZING. WELL DONE
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This is an incredibly smart move by Palm...esp considering at CES they did say the device was designed with developers in mind...in fact Ed said that. If the Pre is on other carriers by 2010 that will be one of the shortest exclusive carries ever. Of course if it happens, neat. If not I'd expect Palm to at least have another phone design that they haven't shared yet to offer to other carriers.
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The Pre wouldn't be completely locked down because of the Sprint Software store...but glad to see that there will be other ways for developers to get their software out there. This is an incredibly smart move by Palm.
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