Palm on overclocking: we don't recommend it 147
Sun, 28 Mar 2010 7:03 pm EDT 
It’s rare for any company, even Palm, to address community hackery directly. But that’s exactly what we got today, with Palm issuing the following about overclocking kernels:
We have had a number of questions about the recently released “overclocking” patches and what Palm’s position on them are.
Palm is working hard to improve the speed and performance of webOS, as shown in our recent 1.4 update. While we appreciate the effort the webOS community has put forth to try and help us along that path, the use of this application is neither endorsed nor recommended by Palm and will likely result in a voided warranty. Palm encourages webOS users to let Palm release official updates that provide safe, reliable, over-the-air features that improve their device in a number of areas, as we have in the past at a rate of approximately once per month.
Needless to say, that’s the path we’ve treaded along as well: caveat emptor, if you will. While Palm’s statement is purposefully vague, we can read through the lines enough to see what they’re saying: if you overclock and fry your phone (no evidence of that happening as of yet, though time will tell), then you’re out of luck as far as the warranty is concerned. And that’s more or less any company’s positions on their products. If you install a supercharger on your VW Beetle and blow the engine, VW’s not going to fix it for you.
On a side note, several PreCentral forum users have reported that since they’ve started using the overclocked webOS kernels (both the 720 MHz and 800 MHz), they’ve seen far fewer “too many cards” errors. The exact cause behind the drop in memory errors in unclear, but a faster and more stable device is cool by us.
We'll also note that Jason Robitaille has created a couple of temperature monitoring patches that are worth taking a look at: one in your Device Menu and another that checks your device's temp every 5 minutes and alerts you when it gets too high.
147 Comments
until palm can get my pre to run this smooth and fast, ill b sticking with my 800 patch..
Seconded. I installed Jason's warning patches and I'm confident that there won't be any lasting effects from the overclocking.
My theory behind the fewer "Too Many Cards" error msg is that Linux is able to clear the cache from memory faster, especially when unloading large games from RAM. 1.4 actually seems better in that I get that message less often if I let the app or cache clear. Seems like, at least.
I'm holding off on trying the patch for a month or so, tho. We'll see what the future holds in store. :)
Took the words out of my mouth. If I do blow it up - I have a Centro backup phone that will get me by until the EVO or Palm has new hardware come out.
If Palm has a next device close to being ready, they should study the patches and perform a risk analysis to see if they can sanction the overclocking, then speed up the dusty inventory they have to clear the shelves and get to a point where they can intro a new device. Sure they'd fry a few, but if it made some happy customers and got them back in the game, might be worth the gamble.
I know they didn't settle for 500mhz arbitrarily, but at this point, they gotta make these things move and one patch might do the work of six months of webos refinement, even if they have to replace a few units along the way.
How hard is it to recon a phone with a new OMAP? Guessing it's prohibitive. It seems clear on the Sprint side, many users are happy enough to upgrade at the one year mark. So making a device that survives 2-3 years may not be as imperative as it used to be.
Dear Palm,
Don't care.
1.4 increased speed?
LOL all it did for me was cause my phone to randomly restart and just shut off.
I can't wait till the HTC EVO comes to Sprint, I hope Palm fails because in my mind they deserve it. All those people who say they have wonderful devices that have no issues, great, I'm on my 3rd Pre and it is trash just like the other 2 I had.
I hope Palm fails and fails soon, they have addressed none of these hardware issues and I have to constantly deal with the morons at Sprint stores.
Well said, but duck while you get bombarded by insults for saying it.
I love WebOs ,it is not perfect, but beter than any other smartphone OS that I tried before.
I'm on my first device and I don't have a problem if you like to leave your Pre behind, but have it with you wishing that Palm fails.
Your opinion is ignorant, but you're entitled to it.
I'm sure all the people that work there or have invested in the company appreciate your insight.
if you don't like your pre then that's your problem but for you to say since you didn't like what you bought that they should fail is just asinine and you should try to grow up a little. That said I can't wait for the evo to get here so all the grass is greener on the other side people can move on
Like every other Android phone, the EVO is all hype. The fact is, Android has built itself up licensing its OS to a lot of platforms while Microsoft was still in the shop. Android has built its hype not on the quality and stability of its platform, but on the hardware it's shipping on and a lot of cutesy marketing. And yes, I've used Android from the early stages to lately, so don't give me that "it's a lot better now" crap. It's still the same architecture, and we'll all get to see how fractured it will get and how annoyed developers are going to be to have to make their apps work on radically different hardware...and most likely giving up on many hardware platforms for lack of potential revenue. Not only that, HTC's build quality has always sucked more for their own devices than the ones they made for other companies. Get prepared for a letdown when it comes to the EVO.
Look dude,
I think WebOS is great... but I'm at the point now that I CAN'T look past the great qualities of the OS due to this horrible hardware it is running on.
I much rather have a OS that is still getting the kinks worked out (oh wait that is webOS) with amazing hardware than one that has software issues AND hardware issues.
This is uncalled for.
I'm not so sure I could call it all hype. A little bit, but not all.
But it's all in the screen. All there is to it. That screen is something that I would love to have myself. And I would definitely get a webOS phone like that w/ 4.3" screen. It would be Heaven.
Don't get me wrong. I think the Pre is a GREAT device, and they need to make a Pre2 with similar dimensions. Some people say they want a bigger screen *and* a vertical slider... but you just can't do it. Gotta have the third line of smartphones with big screen. Just gotta. It's much more "universal".
Talking about hype... Did the Pre live up to it's hype? Ask Palm, Sprint and Verizon.
I've been saying this about HTC for a couple years now. I work in a Sprint store and see far too many problems with HTC. The Hero on Demo has been replaced twice for just randomly attempting to do a hard reset. So time will tell with the Android OS and HTC hardware(which I have seen on Window Mobile phones as been crappy - but could have been WinMo OS).
I agree that Palm botched the Sprint Pre pretty badly. I had mine replaced 3 times and by then I decided to sell my refurbished Pre and went over to Verizon to get a Droid.
That said, I really really miss WebOS and I hope Palm does not fail (if they do, I hope they let Google buy them and Google implements the WebOS UI because it is, hands down, the best UI).
I actually just bought a Palm Pre Plus having heard they fixed the slider for Verizon and doubled the ram/storage.
If they next Palm device has a solid build and a better camera, I'll buy it for sure. Also, don't ditch the keyboard Palm.
Nice trolling. Either you're another mole sent to disturb the shit or you've installed your share of patches and crap and now blame Palm because you bricked your phone - hence why Palm has to put out stupid warning because people like you will blame them even if they have nothing to do with people breaking their phones.
palm can suck a fat one
No company in the world is going come out and say "We support you tweaking a system we made up to a level that we didn't feel was a reliable and safe level before we approved it for shipping." Ever. No one. Because if they did, and those devices started catching on fire in your pocket (and this sort of thing has happened before with other smartphones as those lithium batteries have a history of doing), they'd be easily sued by those users because those users can say that company didn't tell them NOT to do it. So by that standard, I guess, every company in the world can go suck a fat one, huh?
John Deere never told me I couldn't lift my lawn mower and use it as a hedge trimmer...
http://www.telovation.com/articles/lawn-mower-hedge-trimmer.html
What exactly do you expect? They have to cover themselves by saying this.
Exactly. Because if they DIDN'T say this, and some user decided to clock the CPU up in their phone even higher and burned it out (or even if the battery just blew up), that user can say "But...Palm didn't tell us NOT to do this". There is plenty of precedent for lawsuits that run along those lines.
I'm not too worried about a voided warranty for a few reasons:
#1 The chances of a Sprint (or any other carrier) tech knowing how to check if a device is overclocked are extremely low. Even if they can check for this, you should be able to doctor it or at least remove the patch, before bringing it in.
#2 How can they prove that a fried device was overclocked, if you can't power it on?
#3 My warranty is up on 6/6 anyway. Not to mention, I should be on a Pre2 or Evo come summertime anyway. Hopefully neither of these devices will make me want to overclock my phone again.
If they were really serious about finding out what you did, they could replace the fried CPU with a fresh one and boot it up, but if they have as much excess inventory kicking around as it seems they do, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Better to maintain customer satisfaction by looking the other way and replacing the thing.
Well, yeah...there's obviously a way to tell, but I don't even think that the Sprint techs are allowed to open the devices.
I just had my Pre replaced by Sprint (volume toggle crapped out), and the guy said they could only replace it, as the techs couldn't open the phone.
fuckin a right dude. I agree with you 150%!
Also I have a small crack on the bottom of my screen(have to do the $100 to Asurian anyway-when and if it stop working) why not put the old Pre on turbo charge with the patch. Same goes to anyone else. If the phone goes ka-put, Sprint or Palm will not warrant it, you have TEP(the $7 insurance), file a claim. You can't do that with the phone that begins with the letter "I".
why someone wishing for palm to fail posts here I have no idea, but this isn't the forum for such negativity. I hope your palm fails so you can use something else and leave us in peace.
How many palm employees do you think are overclocking their pre right now? :-)
Officially: None...
Unofficially: All!
They just use their C40.
Here's an idea. Why doesn't Palm work with the developers of the overclocking patches...see what works, identify potential problems that the patch might create, fix said problems, compensate these brilliant developers and then release the patch in next update (making everyone happier customers...who will spread the word...bragging to their iPhone buddies...selling more Pres)?
Bottom line...happier customers, more sales, and stronger Palm company!
That will never happen. Ever.
Won't Happen. Overclocking is running the CPU beyond the upper safety limit. I'm sure there is a good reason that the limit is set (longevity). I'm surprised Palm even addressed it, as common sense tells you that this super charging will decrease the phone's life.
BTW...the 800 patch makes the phone operate like a dream.
Becauae overclocking ALSO voids their warranties with the processor manufacturer. At htis point, if the processor fails, it's not palm's fault, it's TI's. If Palm were to overclock the Pre's, they take on full liability.
We are not overclocking our phones. We are "overclocking" our phones. We are fixing the underclocking due to increased battery drain. Apparently, battery is more important than speed.
I believe this is addressing the 720 and 800 patches, not the 600. The 600 just brings it up to capacity... the 720 and 800 truly are overclocking!
I removed the patch as I didn't really notice the speed.
But after I removed it, /then/ I noticed the *lack* of speed.
So I guess the patch speed up the Pre to where my mind thinks that it should be.
I have re-installed the patch.
Exactly my thoughts. After installing the patch I feel like the phone is running like it should. No lagging when scrolling through the launch screens and apps start up nice n quick.
So far the phone hasn't experienced any overheating issues. I understand Palm had to release this statement, but I'm not uninstalling my patch!
So is palm going to start checking the kernel code on all warrantied pre's now and then billing the person that returned it if it is OCed?
Ah, I've got insurance. Who cares if I fry my phone?
That's the point... Your insurance could be voided because of this.
Not that I think that any Sprint rep or their insurance company is really going to know, but if they do find out, this could be reason to deny the insurance claim. And, no, you don't get your money back.
Bah so if you are that concerned just report it stolen and get it replaced through insurance. And whoever posted before that the techs at the Sprint store can't open the phone is absolutely right. If they open a pre they will be fired. So your chances of being caught running the doctored kernel are slim to none and if its really a concern make it disappear. I don't think it will cause issues anyway haven't noticed a bit of difference heat wise just much much smoother all the way around.
I love the way they "link" to whare you can get it in precentral forums...
I was going to say the same thing! Seems like a little......dont use this (wink wink) patch
Patched my Pre to the 720 patch as I think moving going to 33% faster than spec might be a bit risky until the patches have been out longer.
Can say that the battery hit is noticeable but not a killer. Estimate that it's probably an 5% extra drain. But that's just a guesstimate as the battery is still lasting pretty much a day (stock battery).
On the other hand, can definitely feel an improvement in the OS. much snappier, quicker window changes, app launches etc. Temp didn't really change that I've noticed.
Very happy with this patch.
On the people posting negatives. This is a forum and you have a right to an opinion. However, i would expect some decorum out of people (though watching the political discourse recently I should be happy that people here are at least posting sentences). Constructive criticism is always welcome. Children who can't post anything but "i want them to fail" not so much.
Dude, the people who post "I want them to fail" are basically Android and iPhone astroturfers. The reason for that being that people go out and read forums when they're researching buying a new smartphone, and PR firms for other corporations (along with their unpaid, and incredibly sad, fanboys who do their work for them without even a glimmer of hope for a paycheck) blurt out negative comments all the time. They look at the comments and see how many are negative and that affects their decision.
I love palm but until someone can say for sure that 800mhz will melt my pre its staying on, its simply way to fast and nice to take off.
It's these kinds of remarks from Palm that cause me to hammer them so often in the forums. Increased speed with 1.4? Are they kidding? If it wasn't for the awesome Homebrew folks, with all the scripts, patches, & apps, the Pre would be a joke.
This attitude, as displayed in their comments, is one of the many reasons they find themselves in their current financial mess.
They have a Microsoft/Apple ego with a Dollar Store budget. They can ill afford anything less than a 110% user friendly attitude, as they get enough bad press as it is.
Come on Palm, we all get the "void your warranty" thing, but these hardworking, often thankless, Homebrew folks are making your product BETTER.
We would rather you just said good work, patted them on the back, ... and took some notes.
Palm has been very supportive of the homebrew community. Why would you ever expect a company to "pat hackers on the back" for creating a dangerous patch.
I love my overclocked pre just as much as the next guy, but i also know it would be a huge burden on Palm to recommend users install this patch should bad things start happening.
Hey, did you notice that they linked to the patch in the statement...
ok Palm! You don't recommend it...but i'm doing it! We need a faster UI! How about enabling the GPU to help render the UI therefore putting less stress in the CPU and avoiding the need for us to overclock and for other ppl to talk shit about how sluggish webOS can get sometimes!
As much as some of you may not believe me, my Pre actually appears to be running cooler with the 800MHz patch than without it (500MHz stock). I would repeatedly run at 45 celsius on the touchstone before, now I never break 40.
And yes, the speed is mind-blasting.
I noticed this, too, and I thought I must be crazy. My "over-"clocked Pre seems to run cooler, somehow. Don't ask me how, and of course it could be flawed perception, but I specifically noted it yesterday during heavy use. And it is definitely cooler on the Touchstone, no question.
On the other hand, the battery drains noticeably faster (and since it was fast to begin with, that's not good). On the other other hand, I use an extended battery (a Centro battery, which Palm also "doesn't recommend") and I have two Touchstones, so battery life isn't a big issue for me.
The speed is amazing. Before I installed the 800MHz kernel, I did a side-by-side comparison with a guy at work who had an unpatched Pre, but had installed the 800 MHz kernel. We counted down to open Web at the same time.
"Oops," he said, "I accidentally opened Email." He closed Email, then launched Web ... and still beat me to an open bookmarks page! Incredible.
I have overclocked and I love it. But if your pre dies because of overclocking this is specifically excluded from asurion coverage.
now... Can we be sure the overclocking led to pre death? Can asurion figure it out even if it did? Answer: probably not. And could you conveniently lose your phone or drop it in the toilet? Yes. Is insurance fraud one of the seven deadly sins? No. Nevertheless, it is not covered by insurance.
Without patches and Homebrew apps I would have had no choice but to return the phone. The 800 patch is amazing.
I have overclocked and I love it. But if your pre dies because of overclocking this is specifically excluded from asurion coverage.
now... Can we be sure the overclocking led to pre death? Can asurion figure it out even if it did? Answer: probably not. And could you conveniently lose your phone or drop it in the toilet? Yes. Is insurance fraud one of the seven deadly sins? No. Nevertheless, it is not covered by insurance.
I have no interest in these speed patches. For one I never found the Pre to be slow so why risk it? I hope people know what they are doing because there is no telling what the long term effects would be.
+1
i think palm's lawyers prob. made them put out that statement. I'd bet Apple would have too
nah, Apple would have tracked you down and taken away your iPhone.
800 mhz patch is the only thing stopping me from going to evo 4g! i love webos but speed is my top priority for everyday usage..
So 800MHz is better than going to 1GHz? Please tell me this is a bad joke (Pun Intended).
Perhaps 800Mhz WebOS *is* better than 1Ghz Android. It depends on your priorities...
Up until a few days ago, 500MHz WebOS was better than Android according to many around here. Unless Palm >= EVO this summer, EVO is the way to go.
Sh*t, I don't get the "pun"
Does no one else find it odd that Palm would actually link to the P|C thread containing 720/800Mhz instructions? It's one thing to acknowledge that it exists, and thankfully Palm doesn't seem interested in shutting it down. But I would've thought they'd want to keep it from getting too widespread since there are a lot of dullards out there who can barely operate a DVD player, let alone screw with their phones in this manner.
EDIT: I guess it's not going to get that widespread since it's on the developer blog and not a main customer-facing web page...
I have overclocked and I love it. But if your pre dies because of overclocking this is specifically excluded from asurion coverage.
now... Can we be sure the overclocking led to pre death? Can asurion figure it out even if it did? Answer: probably not. And could you conveniently lose your phone or drop it in the toilet? Yes. Is insurance fraud one of the seven deadly sins? No. Nevertheless, it is not covered by insurance.
THANK YOU so very much. It's because of unixpsycho and caj2008 and the folk behind precentral, webOSquickinstall, etc that I am still running wit Palm! WebOS is awesome but ur efforts truly make it the best experience.... ***k the HTC Evo...... When you get that Android phone, I'm still going to say "My phone is better than yours!".... now Palm... it's your turn to keep me on board!
ok Palm! You don't recommend it...but i'm doing it! We need a faster UI! How about enabling the GPU to help render the UI therefore putting less stress in the CPU and avoiding the need for us to overclock and for other ppl to talk shit about how sluggish webOS can get sometimes!
+1 GPU
obviously Palm is just making a calculated statement just to cover themselves. It's the case with any overclocking.....its at the risk of the consumer that's all. No reason to attack Palm for an expected statement.
Here's an idea. Why doesn't Palm work with the developers of the overclocking patches...see what works, identify potential problems that the patch might create, fix said problems, compensate these brilliant developers and then release the patch in next update (making everyone happier customers...who will spread the word...bragging to their iPhone buddies...selling more Pres)?
Bottom line...happier customers, more sales, and stronger Palm company!
Nobody is commenting here on the news that the overclocking patches seems to fix the "Too Many Cards" errors. Isn't anyone here having that problem? I am - every time I do some browsing. There have been lots of comments about TMC errors but it seems most associate the errors with running games and generally putting a lot of demands on the processor. That's not my problem - it happens whenever I have four or five browser windows open. That couldn't stress the memory, could it? Even if I then close windows, the error messages continue. The only fix I've found is to do a Luna restart. I've tried clearing the cashe but that does nothing. I love my Palm Pre (Sprint) but this problem is driving me nuts. Now users are saying the over-clocking patches will fix (most of) the problem. I'm tempted to do it even though palm says don't do it. Is anyone else having the problem I'm having?
use JSTop from preware and enable auto garbage collect. This will eliminate almost all tmc notifications
Thanks for the tip, schofs. I just downloaded it and will take it for a test drive. :) I've had the problem since 1.3.5 (I think) and it's nearly lead me to throw my Pre across the room. I hope this fixes it! Tnx again!
1.4 made my phone run like poop. The 800 patch makes it feel like it is fresh out of the box, I will stick with my 800 until the Evo is released...then I am moving on Palm!
AMEN! So am I! GO EVO!
JsTop helps, but the TMC error still shows up enough to be infuriating.
I still get 2 many cards error,so no,it doesn't fix it. No big deal though.
Then the service isn't running correctly. Auto Garbage Collector works great and you won't get any TMC Errors. If you still get the error just open JSTop close the prozesses you don't need (e.g. camera / browser and so on) and hit Memory Garbage Collector from the menu. Works 100 % otherwise you are doing it wrong!
This patch is well worth it! My phone will die with it bo matter what. This phone is running so much smoother with no direct effect on temperature. I am able to do everything so much better, faster smoothly. Even battery performance has not been affected that much. I can't go back to 500Mhz. This is an amazing patch and I'm glad it exists. This is an obvious example as to why palm needs a better hardware. The experience is that much better. Weos has the potential....huge one I believe..hardware...hmmm not so much right now..im talking abiut pre..not pre plus
phone seems to run cooler to me. how long is the warranty? I assumed that it would be 90 days. I have equipment insurance anyways.
I'm waititng at least until 1.4.1 to make sure the patch works with that. That also allows time for any issues with the patch to crop up.
Palm Give us an 1GHZ than!
Sprint will beat Palm to the punch and give us the 1GHz in the summer. =) GO EVO!
EVO look pretty good right now! Even if its Android
Dude, they have a site called AndroidCentral. You know, for A-N-D-R-O-I-D.
So yeah, you belong there.
Here, I'll find it for you.
Enjoy!
http://www.androidcentral.com/welcome-to-androidcentral
I still have a Palm Pre from Sprint. But trust me, as soon as the EVO is released, I will be taking your advice. Until then, I'll be seeing you around. =)
We have an 800 but can't use but 500. If we got a 1000, we'd be running at 600.
my phone and my wife's phone ran SLOWER and HOTTER with the 1.4 update. With or pictures getting deleted and random freezes, I considered going back to 1.3.5.1. Thanks to the overclock, our phones are back to normal. Palm, please don't tell us you improved the speed when I just got agrevation. 1.4 would randomly drain the battery and get the Pre burning hot.
I say update 1.5 runs at 800 MHz. We are steeling Palm's thunder. If the phones break (they won't cause they run cooler) they just replace them with the extra inventory. Then everyone is wooed by Palms improvement and they're back on the map.
My overclocked Pre burst into flames in my hand today!
Of course this is BS. Palm has to officially denounce these patches for several reasons. Namely, Palm unlike other companies has been a big supporter of the Homebrew community. That support would be implied of the overclocking patches if Palm remained silent. Since Palm didn't write the code and has no idea as to the stability of these patches we can't expect them to respond any other way.
Thanks to Palm for developing an os that enables and encourages the open homebrew community in the first place! Thanks to the developers for the overclocking patches as they've clearly tried to do it right! I love my Pre at 800mhz and won't be going back to 500mhz ever!
My overclocked Pre burst into flames in my hand today!
Of course this is BS. Palm has to officially denounce these patches for several reasons. Namely, Palm unlike other companies has been a big supporter of the Homebrew community. That support would be implied of the overclocking patches if Palm remained silent. Since Palm didn't write the code and has no idea as to the stability of these patches we can't expect them to respond any other way.
Thanks to Palm for developing an os that enables and encourages the open homebrew community in the first place! Thanks to the developers for the overclocking patches as they've clearly tried to do it right! I love my Pre at 800mhz and won't be going back to 500mhz ever!
Now, if we only get HTC and Sprint to sell a WebOS version of the EVO (or HD2. I'll take an HD2 with WebOS)...
;-)
yes Palm has to walk the corporate line....
...switching gears to capt. Negative..... If I had 3 pres take a shit I would be pissed too ....
....Palm has to be running the shit out of what seems so far to be some fantastic work.... Who knows, maybe they donated today too (anon) but added a few zeros .... Ok not likely ... But dreams are fun.... Better yet ... Hire these guys...
so far this 800 mhz is revolutionary .... Seems crazy to say .... It's very early but if temp monitoring is any indication ... This is the real deal.
...so I say to palm..... It's my device..... I'm a big boy .... Thanks to sprints new premium or premier upgrade policies, I can upgrade for free in the fall... So if this patch cuts my pres life short, so be it ..... My pre still could outlast Palms market value even if it's free basing mhz..... So get yer shit together palm .... Solve your performance issues and your markting issues and git er dun ! I love the freedom you have allowed palm.... But for christs sake, your users are cutting better commercials on youtube and speeding up your laggy OS on their own..... Still luv ya Palm! (since palm pro in 96)
hi asurion,
I overheated my pre plus, can I send $50 and get a new one?
no.
ok.
hi asurion,
I lost my pre plus, can I send $50 and get a new one?
yes.
gee, thanks
what more is there to talk about?
What, on Earth, is "asurion" ?
I like your user-name Colonel Kernel
Man, I can't stop saying it now... :)
no clue - but this was smart on Palms part I love this patch so much I would rather have it fry buy a new one install the patch again.
Actually, detroitwilly...
The conversation will go more like this --
"Hi Asurion, I lost my Pre Plus. Can I send $50 and get a new one?"
"NO! We charge $100 deductible now. But we'll change our answer to a 'Yes' if you send that Big Face."
I have overclocked and I love it. But if your pre dies because of overclocking this is specifically excluded from asurion coverage.
now... Can we be sure the overclocking led to pre death? Can asurion figure it out even if it did? Answer: probably not. And could you conveniently lose your phone or drop it in the toilet? Yes. Is insurance fraud one of the seven deadly sins? No. Nevertheless, it is not covered by insurance.
I did have some speed improvements with 1.4, but it was uneven. For me, 1.4 was a wash. I am very much looking for 1.4.1.
huh?
I have overclocked and I love it. But if your pre dies because of overclocking this is specifically excluded from asurion coverage.
now... Can we be sure the overclocking led to pre death? Can asurion figure it out even if it did? Answer: probably not. And could you conveniently lose your phone or drop it in the toilet? Yes. Is insurance fraud one of the seven deadly sins? No. Nevertheless, it is not covered by insurance.
"Palm is working hard to improve the speed and performance of webOS . . . . [W]e appreciate the effort the webOS community has put forth to try and help us along that path . . . ."
I see the glass half full. Palm had to say they don't support the patch. No big deal. If they try to stop people from installing it, then that would be a bigger deal. But if they do that, then maybe Palm knows a lot more than we do about the Pre and this Patch really will fry our phones.
I really hope Palm doesn't fail. WebOS is easier to use and way more fun to use (IMO) than the other choices (just a bit slower and less consistent).
do it .... You likey if not .... It's just a phony
This 800MHz patch is the best thing for this phone I've seen. They are just trying to avoid people trusting "cracks/patches" from 3rd party developers. I say F that, I love the OC Patch!!! As for voiding the warranty do a EPR or WebOSDoctor and they will never really know it was from this patch!
Sorry guys, I'm out of the loop here. Why would Palm spec an 800Mhz processor but limit its use to 500Mhz? It just doesn't make sense? Was this talked about before?
Yes it was, please use Google. The processor is a 600Mhz processor being overclocked to 800Mhz. The Pre is underclocked to 500Mhz (apparently) for battery conservation.
I know this is off topic but I just found this:
Its the new OMAP4430
http://focus.ti.com/en/graphics/wtbu/OMAP4430_zoom.jpg?imageURL=OMAP4430...
I was wondering at what MHz will the OMAP 4 Series be at. I also noticed in the diagram there will be 4G, 1080p30, ARM9 and will be in production in the second half of 2010. I apologize if i'm late on this info.
UPDATE: I just found out that the OMAP4430 runs up to 720MHz and the OMAP4440 runs at 1+ GHz.
OMAP
BTW, where did Palm post this statement, btw? Was it directly to PreCentral?
Never mind, I found it.
Well im on my 3rd Pre so i feel what do i have to loose..
I think there's a lot of pre owners who are taking this article too literal.
Palm is only covering themselves from any liability, health and lawsuit issues.
It only takes one molded strawberry to ruin the entire batch.
"Palm is working hard to improve the speed and performance of webOS, as shown in our recent 1.4 update. "
My Pre has been the slowest and laggiest its ever been after the 1.4 update, and yes i tried doctoring my pre too.
+1 and it's frustrating. Until I installed the patch.
I will wait until palm fixes the speed in the phone and all other issues. I have faith in Palm to handle it. If not oh I'm not going anywhere the phone is great for a first generation OS.
I own a BMW 328i and although the miles on the dial is 114000 it is believed to be actually 160000 and runs really good and beat a mustang gt, and mercedes 320. But if I want to turbo it, ofcourse it's gunna give me more power that I need and want. Eventually the gas will take a hit and if I do it hard enough I will damage the motor and fry it. Even though I know how to race right, it's still possible and I know it but I graduate in 2 years anyways for bachelors and going for my masters but the salaries are federal and they start at 45000 for just a second year intern. First is 37000. So gunna get a new one anyways so why not have fun while you can.
same for my pre, it's getting worn quickly and it's flimsy. So let me turbo it now cause I know I'm getting something new anyways.
btw played with a mytouch and a hero. I love the pres OS but if it had widgets I'll be golden but that's what I know I'm looking for. I like them on windows with weatherbug and when I saw it on android I knew that's what I wanted.
PALM, GET ME WIDGETS IN THE NEXT OS
In regards to destroying the pre from extended use from OC... Who really keeps a phone more than two years, I am with sprint so every 22 months they give me $150 off new phone and I take it. So I am not worried about "extended" dmg. Just a thought.
Wow.....U hope Palm fails, just because you had a bad experience with them....I wonder how you get through life? Every time things don't go the way you want, do you lock yourself in a closet or something?
Ok people clam down and chill, palm is a great company and hopefully they well come out with a answer to the over hearing on the pres. I love my pre and all phones are not prefect when they come out. If yall want order phones and getting them. Don't be hatting on the webOS. Think about it, its called the webOS its going to over heat and do so more stuff that you don't like. So relax and let palm do it thing. My pre heats up then cools down afters. I just can't wait for the flash player plug in.
contrary to what some people might think i do NOT hope Palm fails. I have had money and nearly slept on the street. I've been in good health and watch an uncle die from cancer and see his wife buried in debt and grief as they lacked the funds to pay. I've lost my job and had to fire good people and neither are pleasant and are much bigger then whether i'm happy with my $179 phone.
A successful palm doesn't hurt me. That's why i'm not mad at Apple, Android, Itunes or anything else. There are people working that need jobs and they provide it. They probably have families relying on them. Possibly with kids that need the money to go to college and possibly contribute to the next wave of innovation. Or maybe so they can drop out and become like other great silicon valley innovators. They may need the job for the insurance that comes with it to treat a loved one. If the money to pay for shoes for the next great NBA player.
Regardless of whether i think Palm has executed well, made the product they need to or will have any success in the future, I wish Palm well. I hope they are successful.
thank you blackmagic01
no prob. i can tolerate spirited discussion. I don't like random haterism.
yeah, but if after blowing you're engine you remove the supercharger VW won't notice. y know what i mean?
Yeah, but you don't need to be able to start the VW to take out the supercharger.
Who are we kidding though? Palm/Asurion wouldn't have a clue anyways.
Yeah yeah Palm. You just "caveat venditor".
Well luckily I have the replacement insurance with sprint, but how will the sprint guys know what bricked your phone (if it does). Hell the Palm techs barely know anything about the Pre when you call them... I think Jason & the other guys (I don't want to call them hackers, because I think they're geniuses)are doing a superb job!!
seriously, if not for palm addressing this, I would not have upclocked my pre. Lol, thanks palm. 720 just to be safe though :D
seriously, if not for palm addressing this, I would not have upclocked my pre. Lol, thanks palm. 720 just to be safe though :D
seriously, if not for palm addressing this, I would not have upclocked my pre. Lol, thanks palm. 720 just to be safe though :D
FYI... Since june of 09 my wife is on her 6th Pre, I'm on my 3rd. My phone has always been patched all to h
Plum useful for us if we have a expensive phone.i see many plum on internet but it not beneficial for me.
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To my mind, this message is problematic for two reasons.
First, they wouldn't have released this unless they had a real concern about the hardware. They say that they've received questions, but they could have ignored them... as they have on other fronts. Or quietly answered the questions.
Second, this is a statement that the installation of non-approved software may void your warranty. While this piece of software is meant for messing with hardware, the fact remains is that it's software.
Unlike a VW, which was never intended to run 3rd party software, the whole (well, almost whole) idea of the Pre/Pixi is to run software. This warning (unless, as I said above, Palm knows that the hardware can't support it) could be extended, as Palm sees fit, to other software. For example, they could decide that "NoDoze" keeps your Pre on for longer than it should and that voids your warranty. Or they could decide that "Agenda" taps into the calendar database in an unapproved manner, and that just might adversely affect the device's hardware.
"That's ridiculous," you say. Yes, but the point is that, unless Palm knows that the "overclocking" patches cause damage, they could at any time extend their warning to any piece of non-catalog software they want. Especially if Palm further gets into dire straits, they might decide that warranty claims are adversely affecting their bottom line and start finding all sorts of reasons to deny. Far fetched? I used to work for a company that played all sorts of games like this in order to meet certain financial goals in order to keep Wall Street happy.
I just got my launch Pre the way I like it, right mix of apps / patches & such, including the 800MHz patch. I'm living with a slight oreo effect and a couple of scratches.
I would be good to go until the next Palm whatever. Went to a 3rd party Sprint store on Saturday to get my screen protection replaced under their "lifetime warranty". When the tech gave it back, he told me that he had an accident with the heat gun and melted my volume key and damaged the Touchstone cover. So they ordered me a new phone.
thanks blackmagic01 for the soothing words. These comments tend to get folks riled up. Wake up folks, you negative nellies just reinforce my opinion that most humans are sellfish, look out for #1, get out my way or I'll run you over, I spent my money now I get to talk crap about the product/vendor/carrier.
good for you dude! hope they're replacing the stone cover as well.. and btw. screw these ignorant asses. when we respond to a whining child, they just get louder. if we ignore them, they find something to play with and shut up.
makes it much esier and faster to start up games and play them during the few min of down time that i have .. and btw that new htc looks cool but the one thing i can say about that company is ... ben there, done that. they start out looking like a great idea all shiny, it appeals to our inner monkey. but a few months of it and you're ready to hurl it at on lookers like pooh. LOL!
i hope palm comes out with a wimax, 4g, evo or what ever it's dubbed pre, fix the slider issue and i'm good, till then, here is where i'll be ..
good luck palm, and although like the hard headed expiramental children that we are, thanx for the heads up. but chances are we won't listen. PRE NATION . One.
Just want to let you guys know i installed this last Friday and i ran 4 hours of slacker radio while charging and also downloaded modern warfare sandstorm at the same time. No melting or exploding here. I wont give this patch up for anything.
When the 1.4.1 update comes out, I won't be updating my Pre to it. I don't want it to mess up my 800 MHz overclock. The phone is so much more responsive now (w/ exception still to the radio menu from the top right section). I also noticed that even though I o/c'ed the phone, it doesn't drain battery any more than normal if I don't use it. Although my hour of NFSU on the subway drained the battery (bluetooth and CDMA on, damn Palm NEEDS to give me an option to turn off the CDMA radio w/o putting my phone on airplane mode, thus knocking off the bluetooth and making me re-connect my wireless headset). Now I just gotta go back to the forums to learn how I can prevent the phone from updating.
I intalled the patch on my pre last night and let me just tell you it is STUPID fast. I use to restart my phone every time I wanted to play Assassin's Creed or NFS, but alas no "too many cards" :) I am very happy with this patch and I haven't had it warm up at all. I have notice a slight battery drain of 2%-4% but I'm not complaining. If you do install it please thank the guys that made this patch. I'm glad I did.
My biggest question is WHAT WOULD DEREK KESSLER DO?????????? Get blazing speed and void the warranty and fork the money out of pocket if something happens to the phone... or wait for Palm to do something better and keep the warranty (and wallet) in tacked.
ok so i overclocked my fone a few days. it was way faster, yes, but it kills my battery to much. anyoe want to help fix this back to normal? i need more battery time, and want to reverse this process. thanks in advance
sh /var/home/root/800MHzOS14.sh uninstall Enter
I'll keep my Pre overclocked to 800mhz. Anything that makes this phone runs more smoothly helps me look pass the crap quality of this phone. Back cover creaks, power button needs to be pressed down hard for it to work, slight wiggle, and speaker is broken when it was drop from a low height.
Two of those problems I used scotch tape to fix...what is going on when I need to use scotch tape to fix a $200 phone! Man my girlfriend's pixi has been drop numerous amount of time on various surfaces/height and it still works fine! Hopefully by the summertime a pre2 comes out or I'll just check out other phones that are out, because I don't even care for flash anymore.