Palm Pre 2 preorders beginning November 8th? [Updated] 91
by Dieter Bohn Tue, 02 Nov 2010 9:30 pm EDT
We've been waiting for details more specific than "in the coming months" for the Palm Pre 2 and while a recent Verizon document made it fairly clear that we'd see it hit in November, HP's Facebook page for students has given us a more specific date: November 8th. They write:
Check out the Palm Pre Plus 2, pre-orders begin 11/8
Setting aside the fact that they mistakenly added a "Plus" to the product name there, what we don't know is whether this refers to the Verizon version or the unlocked GSM version. Either way, it looks like a safe bet that the Pre 2 is going to arrive very soon.
Update: reidme lets us know that HP has updated their Facebook page so it now simply says "coming soon."
Source: HP for Students on Facebook; Thanks Grant!
91 Comments
Crap to VZ, Sprint!
so that's it, eh? no Palm Pre 2 for Sprint? will sprint have any webOS phones? mansion maybe?
i'm upset with this news.
Per Sprint's FB page, they have no plans to support new WebOS devices. They will support current Pre's and their move to webos 2.0. Nothing more is expected.
Currently they won't offer the Pre 2 maybe, but once new devices are announce during CES 2011 I got to believe they will be on Sprint. Also they just had that forum post regarding what phone OS's they should be focusing on for there customer's n webOS is in the lead.
Link please
****, I went to Sprint because they have the best plans available with webOS, but now they don't want to support webOS. I just got my Pre a little over a month ago and now I can't cancel my contract without paying the fine. Thanks for shafting us, Sprint. I hope the new line of webOS phones does so well in the market, all Dan Hesse can do is shrug, lift his hands up in the air in surrender, and have a dazed and confused look on his face. Sprint really should have taken HP's side on this one. It's a different company running things now than at the Pre's launch.
If that is case I will remove myself from sprint as soon as I can! If they have decided to not offer any addtional WebOS devices they will get no more of my money!
i don't see that anywhere on the sprint facebook page written by a sprint person.
that said i barely see a mention of webos at all on the page by sprint. Last one i think was August 20th. Which likely tells their level of interest in any webos device.
yea I call BS on that post...
(shrugs)
i will too unless i see proof on the page. i think he probably read some random person's post not sprint.
you can filter the page to only see sprint postings.
@blackmagic
There are thousands of wall posts, but if you dont want to see them, you wont.
"Per Sprint's FB page, they have no plans to support new WebOS devices." Haha really thousands of posts?
on facebook i scrolled back a few months and saw nothing close to the statement you attribute to sprint.
Most importantly there is a link at the top of facebook where you can filter the posts to sprint only. I did that and there is nothing from sprint saying what you said. If you have a post of Sprint saying that please offer the date to which that post was made. We can scroll to the exact date and see all of sprints posts on that day and easily find the post you are referring to.
What you said may be true but please provide the date of Sprints posting.
i'll check back here later. Gotta go vote.
@predogs
wow. It's been like three hours since i left and no date of the facebook post? A little help here.
Go wait by your sprint phone. I'm not your secretary. If you don't believe that's been the response to WebOS inquiries, so what? Go ask for yourself. Sprint announced Pre five months in advance, they didn't offer the Pre +, they didn't offer the Pixi +, they wont offer the Pre 2, Palm is referring people to Sprint for comments about devices in the future (a rather rude thing to do if the two are actually talking) and now they wont say new phones will come, but they dont have timing or details yet.
Take a look at the current market mix for Sprint, and the underlying technology and fee structure. If you can't see the conflict, you're not meant to know. I mean, there is no altruistic reason for Sprint to not make a minimal order on the Pre 2, just as there is no reason for HP to make an oddball variant for a dead technology.
Bah! You made a claim and can't back it up.
Nobody disagreed that sprint doesn't want the phone. I numerous times said i don't think sprint wants webos. But sprint's made no public statent that i've seen and you said they outright said Sprint put it on their facebook page.
"Per Sprint's FB page, they have no plans to support new WebOS devices."
Your words. Not mine. I said sprint doesn't feel that way. I asked you to prove they said it publically. And you can't. I asked for the date of the post. You gave nothing? Someone else asked for a link. You gave nothing. I asked for some proof that on their facebook page they said what you said. You provided not proof. So here you go if Sprint said it, And they very well may have, Back it up. What date did they post it so we can all go check the sprint statement on the page.
Your words. So i say, "just show Preentral sprint users the proof." Ball's in your court. Give the date of the Facebook post. but i suspect if you could prove your own words you would have done it already.
You're just going to have to stew on this.
Predogs has proven himself a troll. Let us feed no longer.
And you are who?
If it makes you feel better, I withdraw my comment. Sprint never said anything if that makes anybody feel better. There is a new fly in the ointment for Palm and Sprint.
the only reason I care for release of pre 2 is so hopefully webOS2.0 update will follow quickly. Sprint first? Verizon maybe 2 months later ...... Why can't just give release date? Say dec 1? Coming months? First half of 2011 bs.
We are being treated as step children by Sprint!!! To be honest I am feeling a bit annoyed and frustrated... :-(
Good for VZW customers (may be for AT&T).
I just wonder when the update will be available on Sprint. Must download!
just get the pre2 out! i want to hear news on the ''mansion''.
Pre-orders, not shipping.
Hey, mayBe the pre plus2 is the roadrunner hd? One can dream.
Maybe expecting by end of month... black Friday...
Black Friday would be a bad call, there's too much stuff going on that day otherwise.
You are welcome.
No pre 2 for Sprint means i'll have to go for the evo. Not willing to switch to big red and pay more for service. No way i'll do AT&T. To bad cause I really like WebOs. One thing for sure is I won't make that decision till after black Friday, new models should be announced by then. I hope.
I encourage all--Don't buy any new Palm products until they release 2.0 to current Palm Pre & Pixi owners. If everyone goes and buys their new products, then they will have no reason to release the 2.0 update.
This is easy:
1. If you love Palm and/or webOS, then buy more Palm products.
2. If you are content with what you have, wait and see.
3. If you want an Android or other phone, go get one.
Well said. I am tired of people being so impatient with their technology! My Sprint Pre still does most everything I need a smartphone to do, and many of those things better than the hottest competition. Don't get me wrong, I will be the first to say I am excited about any new hardware or software coming, but you won't see me complaining about the development cycle that a lot of people from a very smart and large company have chosen to adhere to.
Don't worry, they already announced that it will come to older devices.
http://www.precentral.net/yes-webos-20-will-be-coming-older-webos-devices
Cheers
JD
This is very silly comment. They have plenty of reason to release it on current hardware. The WebOS 2.0 SDK/PDK will allow better applications into the app store. The lack of apps is one of the main critisms to webOS. Not allowing their largest concentration of users access to the new apps would be a terrible decision on Palms part as it will discourage developers further.
I agree, but most apps needed are already out for WebOS
What we need is something like Shopsavvy, an app that no Pre Minus, Pre Plus, Pre 2 owner will ever get since Palm was stupid enough to not include an autofocus cam.
Don't call me a troll though. I love Palm, but the only thing holding me from switching yet is:
1) No 4G in my part of Sacramento
2) waiting on WebOS 2.0 to see what it can do to my aging Pre Minus
Either one of those will determine if I get the Evo/Epic before the month is out.
I'm resisting the impulse to leave Sprint for this device... for now. I'll drop them though if this goes on for long. I left VZW to get the original Pre and I don't like being left out on two significant upgrades. Even with compcache, the Pre minus is so memory-starved it gets infuriating.
I thought I was a Sprint customer for life, but then came Brust's comments, and further info and hostility on their FB page and now it seems for whatever reason, Sprint does not want to be part of the HP/WebOS world. With everybody due for upgrades and ETF charges minimal for the charter members, they don't seem to be putting anything out there for current customers to hang on to. Perhaps when VZ goes public with a date, things will change, but after skipping two hardware upgrades, I think Sprint is prepared to cram a droid down our throats or send us packing.
plz be the unlocked version for 399$
Aren't preorders for products expected to have high demand and short supply? Are they trying to avoid the long lines at the Verizon store? Nuts!
How many hours do you think we will have to wait in line to get one of these?
I'm more interested if/when 2.0 has been submitted to the carriers for testing so I can upgrade my current Sprint phone. I would think that Verizon at least would've gotten it if they are going to be releasing a 2.0 product in November or soon after.
not really the case, 2.0 will come pre-installed on the Pre2, I don't think Verizon got the 2.0 for the existing Pre +
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I'll only start celebrating once Sprint get to sell the pre2.
The way I see it, there is not much of an incentive for a verizon user to upgrade to the Pre 2. It is not yet clear whether
1: Verizon will allow the Pre 2 to utilize the aGPS for all 3rd party apps; or
2: If existing users who have the free 5 GB of mobile hotspot on their account will be able to keep that feature.
Even if the aGPS is enabled for 3rd party apps on the Verizon Pre 2, giving up the 5 GB mobile hotspot may not be worth the upgrade, especially if you are already overclocking your Pre Plus (I have read all the posts about how 1 GHz overclock is not equal to a 1 GHz nameplate processor, so please no flames).
The way I see it, the 5 GB of mobile hotspot would accommodate a wifi-only tablet quite nicely. Hopefully a webOS tablet will be available very soon, or the RIM playbook will start to look very nice.
I agree with most other posts that networks other than Verizon need to be available, because Verizon has not shown much love to their current webOS users. If it were not for the 5 GB mobile hotspot, I would have a AT&T Pre Plus.
So how the playbook looks is dependent on webOS tablet release date? Interesting...
The playbook release date is also unspecified, but a tablet that plays flash and has USB connections is nice.
My point is, regardless of the manufacturer, those Verizon customers who have the 5 GB hotspot feature could use that for a wireless-only tablet. 5 GB should meet most people's needs for situations when no other wifi is available.
If you are thinking about ever getting a tablet, keeping the current Pre Plus with the wireless hotspot could save you the $30-$40 monthly charges to get a similiar "mifi" or whatever from Verizon, Clear, etc.
Having a USB out on the tablet would be a big plus so you can charge your Pre while it provides the wifi signal.
Just saying that is a setup I would consider if I get a tablet for Xmas.
Haha, I hear you man, I was just poking fun at that one line. "Hopefully I sober up soon, otherwise that chick might start looking good."
Personally, I would not get the hotspot for a tablet. I would use the tablet as a normal laptop with wifi only and save myself some money each month.
Maybe the 'Plus' indicates that Sprint will get this phone too, except in the reverse of last time.
With Verizon getting the Palm Pre 2 Plus now to be followed 6 months later with Sprint getting the Palm Pre 2 with less storage, less Ram, and an extra button.
Bell customers in Canada are in the same boat as Sprint in the US, but you don't hear us complaining. Well, I'm not complaining really because I've always liked Rogers and will move back once the Pre 2 is available. I'll just have to see what I can do with the early termination fee.
I'm also on Bell with a first gen Pre and we're able to get unlocked Pre 2's and use a Bell SIM card. I think I'll wait for the next WebOS phone though. I'm pretty happy with my Pre. It's been overclocked and customized just how I want it. I wouldn't mind a 3.7 or 4 inch model next year though.
I have doubts about "liking" Rogers...
Do you think release of 2.0 will occur after the release of the Pre 2 on VzW or around the same time? Having heard all of the discussion about how this initial release of 2.0 on Pre 2 is "beta code" makes me think they might wait to release it to the rest of us.
I'm on a VzW Pre Plus and I like it but I'm looking forward to seeing what comes out "in the coming months" from HP Palm. My contract isn't up for a while so I can afford to wait. I would like new HW though even if it's just the Pre 2.
Just my personal opinion, we won't see 2.0 on existing devices until early next year.
Sprint needs the pre2. Please! Anyone noticed that the Epic 4G's slider mechanism is oreo prone? I wouldn't be happy if I had an Epic. Fortunately, the EVO has no slider. Still, where the hell is the Pre 2??
I noticed that too, but I can live with the oreo effect if it means having 4G in my area and a larger screen with Flash capabilities.
The Pre's oreo never bothered me much, but the Pre's other limitations are bothering me BIG time.
I'd get an android phone like the Epic, assuming Froyo's been pushed out yet. I haven't checked recently.
Hah, they said pre-orders. They meant pre2orders.
Hmmm, I don't see it on Facebook now. Did they delete the post?
I am assuming they never posted it...
I'm talking about the post on the HP for Students facebook page that this article was based on. I don't see it there.
They just put up a new post and now it just says "coming soon".
I would not believe anything you hear on a FB Fan page. Please wait for an official announcement from Sprints's official site or a press announcement. Anyone can post on the fan page which makes it more of a bunch of opinion then any official fact.
Or, go to their wall and ask. I asked about the Pre 2 release date. They said they will not sell the Pre 2 and they do not have a plan for further HP/Palm platform support beyond the existing Pre and Pixi. People ask hourly, the replies are not looking good. (Yes, they are looking forward to pushing WebOS 2.0 updates out).
again. Where is that post? What day? I asked before and you wouldn't answer. if they responded filter by sprint only. If you have a date just say the date and we can read all the sprint posts from that day.
i agree in that i don't think sprint has any interest in a pre 2 and possibly webos at all but i'd like to see proof that they said it outright.
ah nevermind. I read your other post. you can't back up your own claim.
Can we assume already that the pre2 is just going to be available in France, Canada and USA with carrier and the rest of the world via HP, or we can still hope other carriers around the globe will be getting it?
Well, you can definitely assume the rest of the world can get GSM-unlocked phones from HP. Whether it will be available on more carriers is anyone's guess. It would be convenient to not have to wait up to a month depending on where you are in the world, but at least you'll get it before Sprint customers...
'Pre orders' - get it? PRE orders.. And you thought hp didn't have a sense of humour!
I personally am going to wait if nothing is announced prior to CES for a Sprint WebOS device. Using Android is frustrating to me after having used the Pre for more than a year now. And as nice as it would be to have a new, bigger device like the EVO, I can wait. I really would like a WebOS portrait slider similar in design to the Dell one ( don't remember if it was thunder or smoke or something ). I really like the physical keyboard, and really like the portrait style. Portrait is more one hand friendly.
As far as Sprint goes, I changed to them for the Pre. And let me tell you, it was not a love at first use either. Lack of apps, slow speeds and poor hardware made me dislike the Pre for some time. I loved the OS but hated the hardware. But, as time passed and updates and patches were released, the hardware issues seemed to melt away. And now my once cluncky device is a smooth operating piece of machinary. Easy to use, easy to understand, and suitable for the time being. So if and when Sprint does get new WebOS devices, I will be here, waiting, hoping, dreaming, of what great things will come from Palm again.
I personally am going to wait if nothing is announced prior to CES for a Sprint WebOS device. Using Android is frustrating to me after having used the Pre for more than a year now. And as nice as it would be to have a new, bigger device like the EVO, I can wait. I really would like a WebOS portrait slider similar in design to the Dell one ( don't remember if it was thunder or smoke or something ). I really like the physical keyboard, and really like the portrait style. Portrait is more one hand friendly.
As far as Sprint goes, I changed to them for the Pre. And let me tell you, it was not a love at first use either. Lack of apps, slow speeds and poor hardware made me dislike the Pre for some time. I loved the OS but hated the hardware. But, as time passed and updates and patches were released, the hardware issues seemed to melt away. And now my once cluncky device is a smooth operating piece of machinary. Easy to use, easy to understand, and suitable for the time being. So if and when Sprint does get new WebOS devices, I will be here, waiting, hoping, dreaming, of what great things will come from Palm again.
I'm already over the fact that the pre2 is not coming to sprint. I'm confident sprint is waiting for webOS to go 4G. To me that makes sense. I am, however, anticipating the webOS 2.0 release. It would be in everyones best interest to release that soon to get a head start ad tackle ay bugs before the true release of the pre2. I'm trying to look at the big hp palm picture. And, sprint has been too good to me over the past 10 years, and as I stated before I'm confident sprint will hit us off with the true webOS flagship.
Sprint has been diligent enough with making WebOS updates available that I don't know why people are suddenly wondering whether they'll release 2.0 or not.
No question about 2.0. But they've passed on three upgraded devices now and and wont commit to further devices in the coming months. They were first on board when Pre was announced 22 months ago. Now they wont say boo, and the only stuff we've heard for the last year from Sprint about Palm hasn't been very positive.
More apps please.
My phone has a posting issue... Sorry... On fringe between Ev and 1x...
Funny how so many Sprint people complained about the Pre2 being a spec bump and they didn't want it. Now that it seems they are told they can't have it, they are screaming that they want it.
Yeah, that is kinda funny. However, I'm sure a lot of those people would take the Pre2 on Sprint if there were no indications of superdevices at CES. I'd have no problem with a Pre2 on Sprint if there wasn't a "Mansion" device available on Sprint by the end of Q1 2011. I think it's a nice little device, personally.
what sort of statement is that?
I'm sure those that want it on Sprint are posting and complaining they want it.
Those that say it's just a spec bump, like me, never wanted it and are glad it's not coming to Sprint.
I personally think Sprint doesn't want it for the same reason most Sprint Pre users don't want it: because new devices are already on their way, including a 4G version of the phone next year.
I haven't seen any complainers backpeddling of their views.
i think they are different people. I'm on sprint, i think it's a spec bump. i'm not complaining cause i don't want the phone.
i think they are separate groups of poeple by and large.
I'm with those who commented earlier. There is no need for a pre-order system on the phone through Verizon. Are that many people really going to want this phone? Maybe it is a play on words like reidme says, and Palm Pre 2-orders are going to begin on 11/8. We can hope!
A colleague was in the VzW store this morning and specifically asked about the Pre2 since I had shown him my Sprint PRE..
He was told by the Rep that the Pre 2 would be in stores on 11/11/2010.....
Thanks, that's good to hear. I was in a Verizon store yesterday and asked about the Pre 2 and they hadn't even heard of it!
I think someone I'm following on twitter stated Sprint will pass on the Palm Pre 2 but they will carry the next device. That seems likely considering the rumors of 5-6 devices slated for 2011. Let verizon have the spec bump and let Sprint get the Roadrunner/Masion or whatever beefed up device HP plans on putting out.
Here we are. Supposedly a week away from the new webOS device from HP-Palm. And not a peep. Zero hype. None whatsoever. I would have thought building up some anticipation would be the smart tthing to do, but what do I know?
I don't really pay close attention, but any webOS / Palm ads would definitely grab my attention. I can't help but notice all the Android, iPhone, Blackberry and even Microsoft Phone 7 ads. Nothing for webOS.
I thought we could expect to see tonnes of support from Hewlitt "bags of money" Packard. I'm not feeling the love here. What the hell is going on?
Just "tons of fun" - apparently not "tons of information & support".
Has anyone considered that the "Plus" may not be a mistake?
Pre3 coming to Sprint with dual 2gig processor & 1gig of RAM also 4G support 2011 2Q....Stick that in your pipe and smoke VZ whores! And that goes for all the ppl crying on here....that is an official statement Straight from the top....Me! Ha!
Is anyone mentioning the lack of voice dial, this is pretty basic for a smartphone. HP is doing alot but there are essential missing all over. I wrote to the Palm Feedback center on about of a list 10 essential missing calling features. I hope they got them during the transition. For one, missed call. The last call is automatically dialed when tapping the notification. On all phones this brings the users back to the missed call log first and we can all agree you don't want your last call dialed in a list of 7. Again, this direct not even call log entry to the phone book then dial. It dials as if one missed their wifes labor call. There were about 7 others but this is the one is the most crucial.
Perhaps all this excitement is for nothing. The Pre was first announced on Sprint, then first appeared on Sprint, all months before there was any mention of it on other carriers. If you got your Pre 1 on day one, and you signed the 2 year agreement, you still have 6-7 months before you can leave for another carrier. Sprint knows this, and has no reason to rush to the Pre 2 or any other webOS device. Let's let Verizon customers work out the bugs this time. Just need to keep reminding Sprint what we want, and they will make whatever business decision is best for business.