Palm Pre 3rd Party App Video Walkthrough 107
The release date is still a mystery, price is unknown, but we do have some great news about the Pre from CTIA: apps are coming and they're looking good. Above, a video walkthrough of Fandango, SprintTV and Nascar, and a slightly updated version of Google Maps (which is now a new option in Universal Search). Obviously the big big news is the part they couldn't comment on, the Classic PalmOS Emulation App, but there is still plenty to love about what's coming for the Pre.
Bad news: it looks like Universal Search may not be as "universal" as it is on the iPhone 3.0 beta -- the Palm rep was unsure whether or not you could search within email headers or music, which we're going to have to assume means "no."
And for those of you who are looking for more info on PalmOS emulation, all we have is "in awhile" for details -- jump to around 9:20 to hear it.
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Wow new wallpaper it has to be a newer version :)
Also the bad news is not that bad, I dont think iPhone's search let's you go out to the internet.
It won't search the internet like google, but it will search your history.
I think this is great! Finally some competition for the iPhone!
That wall paper in the demo BTW, is a shot from the end of the Waimea Canyon road on Kaua'i. It's a BEAUTIFUL spot and looks FABULOUS on the pre:
http://www.hawaiiweb.com/Kauai/html/sites/waimea_canyon.html
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how can i get the webos themes to work on my pre
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Yeah, that wallpaper looks awesome, almost 3D even! ;-)
looks nice!! to bad he couldnt go into the "classic" app, maybe in a future video? but obviously i cant wait for this release!!
Looks amazing!
Hey, can you post this to youtube?
I can't get it to play. Just freezes....anybody else having trouble?
I can't get this to play either. It goes to the Pandora part and then stops.
Click on the Play icon, then immediately click on Pause, wait for the little grey status meter to reach about 80% or 100%, then click on Play again.
Dude! thanks Dieter!! Glad to have you the representin'! This phone looks even better!
Just out of curiosity, what's the point of searching Google Maps if Sprint Navigation (on other devices at least) has the same functions and turn by turn directions? I'd think that it'd be more useful to hook into that instead on a Sprint device (or at least give the option).
Simple... I don't have Sprint in Portugal... or any other country I visit often ;)
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Hi folks, we'll get it posted to youtube later tonight -- sorry, limited resources and bandwidth here!
well, the OS is not as smooth as it should be after this enormous wait. I really hope that it is only a prototype issue...
Ditto. Loonnng delays between each app loading. This is nowhere near ready for release.
No, that was for Pandora and any video based apps mostly. Pandora takes that long when loading a pc and the other's were buffering video. I think its getting real close to being finished.
it still takes time for the apps to start when they have to download the info being displayed...
Way to go Dieter! Thanks. Awesome video.
it getting slow
This looks awesome. WANT!
Take any videos of the cut/paste using the shift key?
Still not impressed. I really love the way the screen wobbles when you type on the keyboard. Cool. Search looks pretty limited, too.
Sorry, meant to say "not" cool.
Battery life by looking at the icon?? anyone...maybe I have to wait and see the end of video
Click the Classic Dieter!!
This is an awesome video...
Baffled. What's awesome about it?
If it's an emulation app, why does it follow the GUI styling for a setting (rotated square background)?
I have to SAY I am very impressed and will have my AMEX ready.
Palm OS classic emulation? I hope so!
Go Palm Go!!!
It didn't look discouragingly slow to me, but what slowness there was coulda been due to the heavy load of videos/apps he had running simultaneously. And the text he was typing in google maps didnt seem so wobbly that it was illegible when he typed.
Looked bad to me. That wobbling will get old quick;y.
I think the wobbling is just from not knowing how to stabilize it.
it's top heavy, there is no way to stabilize it .
I looks fine to me.
NASCAR! Sweet! Me (in my underpants) and my hot pockets won't be lonely!
"Fandora" app.
--Fail.
Youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhAO1jBd1-Y
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Looks good, still on the fence about whether or not I'll get it though. Before 3.0 i was real excited about getting the pre, after 3.0 not so much. the app integration and what they're doing with synergy looks really good, but I think apple kinda too the wind out if its sails for me.
What is the "wobbling" people are talking about? Isn't this just the nature of watching video of video?
I was wondering why all the streaming vids shown seemed slightly zoomed in. For example, the movie "preview" green screen was cut off on the edges, and the NASCAR cartoon in the boxing rink (or whatever it was) had the top of the speech bubble cut off.
the button on the bottom right is what u use to zoom out its like that on the iPhone too u just touch the button
*sigh* It's still disappointingly slow between clicking an application icon and when the application is up and available for interaction.
On the other hand, it's neat to see the simplicity with which you can re-arrange the application icons in the launcher *and* in the quick-launch bar.
As for Universal Search's limits, I do hope they expand into being able to search email (not just headers, even) and SMSs. The mechanism for that could even be to add it as another way to expand the search--i.e., a button on a level with the Google, Google Maps, and Wikipedia buttons... tho that'd break the expectation that those buttons go off the phone... Maybe there could be some intermediate between automatically searching them and those expand-off-the-phone options...like a way to "expand into these selected apps". That last might be the way to go, as searching through apps may be less-frequent enough to be relegated to being a non-automatically searched activity.
I'm ready to buy three of them.
Wow. People are griping about app load times, but those don't seem unreasonable to me. They compare with what a computer does.
What I DID find impressive was that there was a (in the background) that movie preview and Pandora running while he launched SprintTV. Granted, only the SprintTV was playing of the three, but that was pretty darn impressive for multi-tasking strength.
This new demo tease of course refreshes the thought: DO WANT!
You're kidding. This is a smartphone, not a computer. The video performace wasn't very impressive and apps were slow to launch. I'd rather have PalmOS with it's flaws than this tiresome thing.
LOL.
If you are a current PalmOS user, why not just stick with that then? I think that's a viable option for some. I for one will gladly update my 755p when the Pre is available.
upgrade*
It didn't seem too slow for me. I still want it. As for the classic emulation. Maybe we could be lucky, and that icon is just a settings type app, and that classic applications will have icons directly on the launch area. Even if we have to enter an application to run the emulator to run the apps it will be cool.
Of course, I am a Sprint customer, and waiting patiently to get my hands on it. My current phone is almost on it's last legs.
The demo guy was definitely not a hand model.
NASCAR will be the first app that i DELETE.
Looks very wobbly. :(
Don't care. Just need release date. You can show me it can make toast and squeeze your orange juice at this point. Don't care. Give me the damn release date already
It looks like it still needs some work to speed things up. They are better waiting til late June and getting it right.
What smartphone have you been using that loads large apps quicker than that? I have a Treo 755, 700wx, and a BB Curve in front of me right now. I'm launching slingplayer mobile on all three, the BB is the fastest, but still 5 to 6 seconds before it's ready to go...
I'm am perfectly happy with what I see above, and I can't wait to get my hands on one.
Yeah, not terribly happy about those launch times. The device looks very cool otherwise, but it just makes me realise how shafted we are down here in New Zealand. Fandango? Man, I'd love something like that down here, but sadly it seems to be US-only :-(
Also, it seemed a little jerky moving the icons around and such, but that could have just been the fact that I was watching a low-medium quality video on my Treo Pro through Skyfire...
Admittedly, my Windows Mobile device can take some time to load applications (roughly the same as how long it takes the Pre, in some cases), but it's pretty damn unstable thanks to the large number of apps I have running and the amount of memory that eats up (Seriously, 8MB of RAM for a single .net CF app?)
Either way, it looks very promising and I'm just gonna wait until the finished version is ready before I discard it based on something as silly as load times. Asides, the alternatives don't really leap out at me. The HTC Touch Pro 2 looks nice, but it's another WM device, and the Camera lacks a flash. Not touching the iPhone because I don't agree with the way Apple treats developers. Symbian? Yeah, not too keen on that, doesn't seem like it would meet my wants. Same for Blackberry. Doesn't leave a lot, really.
The proportioning of the video to the screen was off in the demo. It looked as if the videos i.e. The trailer and the text in sprint tv were cut off. What's up with that?
Dieter, way to get some actual hands on time (well finger-on time). I just love how you just started "using" the phone under the guise of explaining your question. I think you caught the presenter off guard a few times. :-)
Loading times are quite fast I don't know what you guys are complaining about...Some facts on my ipod touch 2G :
- Last.fm app --> 8 seconds to launch
- Calendar app --> around 2.5s
- googlemaps --> 3s
- Contacts --> 2.5s
- App store app --> 3-4 seconds
- google earth --> 10 seconds
- safari --> 4 seconds
So the pre is definitely on par with the iphone which I find kind of speedy.
What did you do to your touch? Your times are much longer than my wife's iphone!
The pre load times do not seem to be on par at all. As many have noted.
Agreed, those load times are way off. For example Goole Maps launches in less than a sec, almost instantly, maybe he was talking about the time it takes for the GPS to launch your location? That does take 3 to 4 seconds.
The "slow" load times may not be due to the phone's operating system, but to the applications themselves, Im assuming those applications could still be optimized to use less resources, faster load times, etc.
I'm talking about the time it takes before I can actually use the application not the time before it gives me a screenshot of the apps...See you've been fooled by apple on this, when you click google map for example, a screenshot of googlemaps appears just like the actual apps but you can't press any buttons yet...it's the same with safari (when it's not preloaded in ram), the apps boot instantly but you can't press any buttons for like 2-3 seconds after the first screen appeared....Those were the real times it takes to launch an apps
No they are not real load times. Don't try and fool people who have actually used an iPhone. OK?
The load times for Pre are double what they are on my HTC Treo Pro.
THE DAMN DEVICE HASNT BEEN RELEASED YET UGHH STOP COMPLAINING
u should see how long it takes to load up the sms app on the iphone
http://www.motionapps.com/classic/
They are listing a program that will run Palm OS programs on the pre........
Nice thumbnail. **PUKE!!**
hey did anyone notice something different about the "white dot" that shows up when you put your finger on the screen. in pass videos the "white dot" was a solid dot that covered whatever it was on. In the video the white dot is different it seems smaller and it echos after.
Did anyone else happen to notice the center button lighting up when the gesture area was used?
This could be used for notifications in the future.
I did notice that and i was looking for another comment. I'm not sure its not part of the video encoding, but that would be pretty cool.
Dieter, is there a youtube app?
Youtube uses flash. No flash on pre till later in the year.
Well I can watch youtube on my BB Curve...... That doesn't have flash.
i have a touch pro/ipod touch which don't support flash -- but they have youtube players? hows this so?
This is because whoever posted that is wrong ; )
Two concerns after watching this video-
1) The movie trailer they watch is not fit to screen, it seems to be cut off on all edges slightly.
2) I never saw the accelerometer actually working when it turned it (like before and after videos played).
Yeah, I wasn't thrilled that the video throughout seemed to be sized for a larger screen.
I'd have to say my favorite part is Dieter trying to touch the Pre at every chance possible but for no apparent reason other than... just to touch it!
Lucky bastard.
Looks awesome, though they'll have to perform better on the list touch swipe, it had quite some delay. Luckyily not as much as on a WM6.x device.
Did anyone count how many of this guy's fingerpresses and swipes were initially ignored by the device?! (I tried and lost count after awhile.) He demonstrated an illusionist's skill to smooth talk his way over these gaffes as he pushed again, swiped again.
Let's hope the Pre that Palm actually allows people other than paid salesmen to touch works better than this!!!
What a pile of sh*t. Didn't Apple release that (but much better, with a real OS) in 2007?
I am literally amazed at how much faster the demo videos on the Palm site are than in real life. It looks like they shortened times by 1/2 to 1/5 for the advertising video. Not cool.
If you read the fine print below the demo videos on the PALM website it says "Actual sequences shortened and video capture speed adjusted for demonstration purposes. Actual performance may vary.".
I'm sure Iphone does the same thing for their commercials on TV.
This sucks. Total Copy Cats. But they can't even outdo iPhone. Palm PreHistoric
She's a total babe. But Palm was really all over this. They changed her number to protect her from psycho stalkers. Her real number is 867-5309 if you're interested.
Seriously. I would think that all of the names & numbers are fictional.
So I am wondering if Sophie is hot since I have all 3 of her numbers now and her email addresses. Seriously you need to be more careful when making video's for the whole world to see. If I were her I would be pissed off right now.
It looks really slick and I agree that the apps aren't particularly slow to load. A few things though:
1. The hardware looks a little 2002 to me in design. Not a killer, but still.....
2. The processor they are using is still expensive. It will come down in price eventually of course, but I don't think this will be at all cheap.
3. The control system isn't very natural. There, I've said it! There are too many different kinds of input and, while you will obviously get used to it, I suspect there will be OS control features that you will not use on a regular basis (e.g. keyboard shortcuts on a computer).
4. It's not out yet. Let's not forget that Palm NEEDS this to succeed and every week that it isn't released brings us closer to the iPhone 3.0 release.
5. I'm sorry, but the demos so far don't actually show us anything revolutionary. I can't think of anything shown here that can't be done already, bar a couple of pleasant tweaks. The reason I'm impressed with this is probably the same as everyone else: I'm a little bored with my phone (iPhone) and this looks all shiny and new.
Still, I'll definitely be bearing this in mind come June (if it's out).
Is it just me, or is almost everything that was just shown, extremely laggy?
And that bit... when he asks the rep about the Pre not registering his touch, and the rep replies, "well: I think it's me..not the screen.." Dude, you are more advanced than the average consumer, this is your job!!
If the rep has trouble with the device, how can an average person enjoy it?
My personal response to that would be tho, that this is for more advanced users. But to all of us, that interface reelly does still look more laggy than the iPhone 3G, and come June, Apple will hopefully have released a phone that blows the iPhone 3G out of the water! (1Ghz processor and quite a few other things)
I don't get what all the fuss is about. Yeah it looks like a pretty good touch screen phone, but its not exactly revolutionary. It does provide some small new features, however, it seems to underperform in many others. I suppose that it is one of the few true alternatives to the iPhone, but imo it just outdoes it.
I use an iPhone, first gen, and I like it alot. I never upgraded to the 3g because the i have grown to have some dislike to Apple in general, and being on the att network is the biggest mistake apple did with the iphone. This palm looks very cool but why sprint? Sprint is as bad as att if not worse. Why do you have to be forced to use bad cell networks to have cool smart phones?
I'm a current iphone 1st gen user, and although i love it, i am open minded to other devices. This looks pretty sweet, and i don't know why everyone is complaining about laggin and what not. I mean, i'm sure this is not the FINAL product, plus it's doing quite a lot for such a small device. There are certain apps on the iphone that take a bit to load.
In The end, my contract with att will be up come this june so i will be in the market for something new. I may give this a go if Apple doesn't completely blow my mind with the next installment of the iphone this summer. The current 3g is just a waste of money... i couldn't believe how many of my friends "upgraded" to the 3g considering it's barely faster than my current 1st gen....Only time will tell
what a fake! the first gen iphone is a dinosaur compared to the 3g. i've had both. first, i rarely used the internet unless i had wifi with the first gen, now i barely use wifi because 3g is close enough. second, that god awful two piece back on the first gen with those cheap as s*** speakers. and the horrible call quality. lots of dropped calls with first gen, almost none with the 3g....and now for the pre....
it looks like a solid phone...i'm not sure that its the game changer that people have touted it as. i doubt the apps will ever reach iphone level....iTunes is just tough to compete with.
people aren't going to care about running multiple apps if its laggy
homescreen is unintuitive. swiping up/down and left/right to find apps is going to annoy a lot of people.
i do like how they have let apps hook into the phone's core apps...ie fandango creating a calendar entry when you buy tickets. either this will cause performance problems or it will be a huge success and hopefully force apple to ease up their death grip over their OS and 3rd party apps
is it just me or is that the smallest keyboard in the world?
i've had sprint before and would literally NEVER go back. its garbage and going to hinder sales of the pre bigtime...this looks like a great phone, but an iphone killer it is not...too many factors keeping that from happening.....as for it being an android, storm, etc killer....without a doubt....seems to put those to shame.
There are plenty of iphone die hards posting comments that seem to ignore the absolute fact that the iphone occasionally lags, fails to register a touch/gesture, or locks up. This isn't a nock on Apple, ALL phones do this now and then. However, I am also please to actually read some honest assessments from some current iphone owners.
Regarding the load times, loginatnine nailed it, Apple fools its users by instantly loading a jpeg image of the app while the actual app finishes loading.
Regarding the wobble, this is a ridiculous gripe. There are literally dozens of other Pre videos out there (many of them on this site) that demonstrate keyboard input sans a wobble.
I like the level of integration they are trying to achieve between applications. Posting an event to the calendar when you buy a movie ticket - brilliant.
iPhone killer though? I think not. Apple is just so much better at UI design and user experience design and nuance. Hopefully, Apple will adopt some of the interoperability of applications.
I saw nothing here that would make me want to purchase it. For what it's worth, I'm not getting an iPhone either. But in a head to head, the iPhone has to be the winner.
can't you guys buy cameras with image stabilizers on them!
Could never type on the Iphone because of my nails. My Palms (currently a 755p) are work horses used for emails, documents, media (sling and music), ebooks, and of course the contacts and (over the air synching) calendar. I want multiple calendars, a larger screen (the Pro is smaller than the 755P) and a real keyboard, so I am anxiously awaiting the Pre.
To all of you who complain about the touch and swipe motions that were "ignored" by the pre.. take a look at that guys giant hand.. it looks like a mongoloid hand. I think dieter found the demo rep that no one else wanted.. think about it lol. In all the other pre videos you can see dozens of other people around the demo rep. Shrek had none. And he didn't answer many of dieter's questions either. I'll wait for some real hands on videos and not those demoed by ogres. That's my 2 cents.. btw, iphone fanboys and girls need to calm down. It seems to me like you're all taking this amazing device personally as if you're whole brainwashed mind went spiraling down at the thought of a phone that might outperform your precious god. Seriously though, shut up and just want until the phone comes out before you go sh|tting yourselves... later.
"In all the other pre videos you can see dozens of other people around the demo rep. Shrek had none."
LOL
Thank you. Someone with the balls to put the iPhone worshippers in their place. For the record, my first computer was a Mac LC 630 running System 7. It got me all through high school and I will always have a soft spot for it in my heart. Heck, it's still in perfect condition with the box that it came in, all packed away in my house. But all these yuppies that have jumped onto the Apple bandwagon of late, regardless of their choice of idol/product worship pisses me off. I actually hate Apple mostly because of it's yuppie image and the yuppies that worship and adore it. Once upon a time it was somewhat cool to stick the Apple logo on the back of your car, now it's just arrogant and is a complete turn off. Apple really has become the BMW of the computing/tech world.
I own a 3G iPhone and can honestly say it is totally awesome. You have to give credit where it's due and Apple has been 2 years ahead of the competition and not one company has caught up with the iPhone yet. Enter the Palm Pre. From what we've seen of it so far, and still bearing in mind that it is still in beta, you have to be excited and at the very least, impressed. I personally think that it definitely trumps the iPhone in many areas and it's been the only phone that I've been keeping tabs on over the last couple of months (or since it was announced at CES >.
Something I wish I saw during the run through was an option to TURN OFF 3G. There were pretty prominent options for wi-fi, so the omission of a 3G option has me nervous. Things may be all fine and dandy in the US, but in Canada ,with our 50$/100mb of data plans, the bills would rack up pretty quickly.
I really hope they're not leaving it out to please the phone companies, because the (international) users will complain.
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I love this new app. It is so amazing to use. The one thing i like about the palm is the apps. There are tons of great apps.
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