Palm taking another pass on CES show floor 89
If you're trying to read the tea leaves on HP & Palm's plans for the Consumer Electronics Show in January, here's a small bit of information to toss in your cup. In previous years we got big events from Palm - the announcement of the Pre itself in 2009 and the Pre Plus / Pixi Plus / PDK gaming in 2010. Many folks have been expecting big things again in 2011 (including the PalmPad), but that picture may be a bit more muddied.
WebOS World took note that HP is no longer listed as a exhibitor for CES (they previously were listed) and looking at Palm's listing we see they're set to have a large meeting room instead of a show-floor booth - same as what we saw earlier.
But as the graphic above exhorts you, don't panic. Palm passing on the show floor is not surprising - in both 2009 and 2010 Palm didn't put their wares out there for the hoi polloi to fondle. Instead they had swank but semi-private digs in the very same room they're listed in for 2011. We'd would have liked to see them change their mind this year and let any old person check out their stuff, but that it what it is.
Stranger is HP no longer showing up on the exhibitor list. We simply can't imagine the world's largest computer maker not showing up for CES whether they intend to to display webOS-based wares or no. More likely is HP is making some changes to their plans for the event.
We'll let you know when we hear more and either way, we'll be live at CES to report on what HP and Palm do (or don't?) have to show.
Source: CES Exhibitor Directory; via webOS World
UPDATE: Turns out HP was just moving around. PreCentral reader Stellarion found that HP has moved from the showroom floor up to North Hall Upper Level Meeting Rooms - N246. Now they've got an entire room to themselves instead of trying to deal with everybody else on the floor.
Source: CES Exhibitor Directory; Thanks Stellarion!
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Sounds like a typical "save money at any cost" decision...
Can being a Palm fan get any more depressing over the last couple of years? Jesus Christ.
No way. I don't know why HP Palm is making this change, but "saving money" ain't it. The awesomeness that was webOS Dev Day proves that flat wrong, as they really put their money where their mouth is on those two days. That being said, yeah, I still got a couple butterflies in my stomach.
...but twice. And, NO, I was not on my Pre. I actually managed to do this from a desktop.
Sorry. Page hung and I clicked submit again not just once...
Panic? Why panic? We all know where this webOS thing is going if they keep driving the way they have been...
I hope for their sake HP knocks it out of the park at CES. With all of the build up from the community and the non information so far out of HP, if they don't have a strong showing their stock is liable to take a sizable hit.
Whatever happened to 'Double-down on webOS?'
well... It seems like they are. They stopped the windows 7 tablet project. and recently they stopped a windows 7 home media center server project to focus more on WebOS.
They flopped 22.
so they doubled down on 12?! hahahah so you are hypothetically saying the put a heavty bet on something that would mostly likely fail. niiice one
My pleasure. =)
I was holding out on switching to the Evo to see if they would announce new hardware to be coming soon at CES (at least 3.5 inch screen, thin, camera with focus).
Should i just lose hope and switch now?
Even if they do announce a new phone at CES, it'll take months for it to finally see a retail release. And who knows which carriers will even carry it.
I just got an emial from SPRINT, and they have 4g in my home city now! So another $10 a month, and free upgrade to thier 4G Phone..
Very hard to hold onto my launch day PRE-, now 17months old and parked in an old age home for old smartphones with Alzhiemers, (my PRE- forgets a lot and I have to reboot it every night to make sure it works the next day. Thank goodness for the reboot scheduler app.)
January not far off, but its just doesn't sound very positive, in fact it continues to be not good news and not bad news.
why would anyone panic? Just like the article says this is the same room Palm used to announce the Pre & Pre +'s. They haven't been on the floor yet, so I still expect new devices shown.
Yes, because the Pre and Pre+ were such huge successes... I think Palm needs to try a new approach.
yeah.. more phones running webos.
I give up, I'm just waiting for a new 4" or larger smartphone on sprint. I could care less what OS is on it at this point.
I know this may sound crazy but I feel the evo and the epic seem to be getting a little dated.
Evo 2 baby!
People were wrong.
HP buying Palm was not a good decision. HP is just Palm with more money.
Idiots.
Wow. HP really does think they can just take their sweet time to rebuild a webOS user base - ya know...that 1.3% base? Helloooooo Android.
Exactly by the time they do anything....WebOS won't have any marketshare at all.
They already have almost no marketshare. What's the difference? If HPalm waits longs enough to re-release webOS people will have completely forgotten that it ever existed and thinks it's something completely new and wonderful!
When Android did anything, Android had no marketshare at all. Now look at where they are now.
This is still a volatile and young market, and you're kidding yourself if you think you know who will be a big player two years from now, or even next year.
Ah, this line of thinking. Good to see all the Pre fanatics are still working from the same playbook.
Android launched in a market where the only real touch screen mobile OS was iOS. Thinking WebOS has a chance to relaunch and somehow become a major player requires one to pretend Android and iOS aren't ubiquitous and progressing at a far faster pace than WebOS has.
Yeah, your right, ubiquitous and rapid growth. That's what they said about iOS on the launch of Android.
The truth is you really can't determine who will be a market leader the future. No one would have thought that ANY OS or device would over take the iPhone. And I remember when the iPhone came out that it wouldn't last. So there is always an opportunity. What is true is the longer HP Palm waits the more difficult a climb it will be.
I have been holding on the my positive thinking but with each passing day only getting what I percieve as negatives on WebOS and HPalm - can't I get just ONE positive, please.
Maybe someone at Palm just had a baby or got a new car or learned to pee standing up - can you share that with me so I can have a positive happy moment today, PLEASE.
ROTFL! I'm right there with you. I would rather hear something now, but fear I'll have to wait for CES to hear more about a phone. Unfortunately, if no good news then I'm probably one of the masses (term used liberally) flocking to android from webOS. Which would be really sad cos I love webOS.
I'm in the same situation.
If there's no new webos hardware on sprint soon i'm switching to android.
The sad thing is, i've been playing with an android phone recently (LG Optimus S) and I really don't see what's so great about android other than the widgits.
With WebOS i love how i enter my gmail, yahoo,exchange credentials once and contacts, calendar, email is all set up for me. Android isn't even close to webos' just type feature.
... I also didn't see a native alarm clock app. I had to download a free one which was limited unless i paid for the full version.
oh and everytime i took a picture i was asked to sign up for pixelpipe! using this phone made me realize how awesome webos really is compared to what else is out there. ... but I need new hardware on sprint :(
not saying that webos doesnt have them, but yeah android is cooovered with adds. its kinda freaky having adds alll over your cell phone. no wonder they are making massive screens for android, so they can fit more and more adds!!! however, thats probably why they have tonnns of free apps.
most dissapointing news in a while. :-/ not even sure what to think at this point. Wish Palm or HP would give usa heads up for what to expect and when. I'm soooo sick of waiting. :'(
Not sure what's disappointing here. The article says Palm is setup to present in a room (perhaps even the exact same one) that they've used the past 2 years. Why is that a disappointment?
I'm not suprised that hp isn't listed there, what have they done besides buying palm?
uhm a lot. They've bought over 5 other companies in 2010 alone.
No seriously what have they done to palm ONLY besides saying "coming months" and "later date" and changing the name to hp webOS.
It does not matter, I am waiting for the first WP7 to hit Sprint and I will be gone, for good!
Good luck with that!
+1...
for good? haha Nothing is for good in the smartphone market! whoever has the best NEW toys! If we see some great stuff CES everyone will be back on the bandwagon and saying "I never left!! I knew it all along!" haha
I don't think so.
Yeah, the HTC 7 Pro is AWESOME! Kick azz specs, way higher than crappy Pre2. I mean 1ghz, 512mb, 16gb, 5mp camera, way better than, wait...
http://tinyurl.com/34lrrt4
/smh
Yeah, and wp7 has 1000 apps out of the gate. Webos has 5000 after 18 months. WOOOOOO WEBZ OS!!!! what a joke
will you plz get an android phone already. i notice u on here all the time talking mad shit. i know u wanna switch, so do it. or is it that you are waiting for your mom to get you the evo for christmas cuz im sure u arent old enough to get a real job
How does HP Palm plan to sell the new superphones at CES once they launch them? That's what we are expecting, right? "Here are our new superphones and they will be on sale at our booth and online at noon today (standing ovation)"
I don't think the sky is falling. I can't imagine HPalm missing out on this. They WILL show up and they WILL impress!! Too much riding on this not to.
Too much riding on it for YOU maybe.
Not too much riding on it for me, I've got other options. (which I'm looking at) They, on the other hand, are running out of time!
With a user base smaller than 2% HP/Palm doesn
Maybe they should start-off by trying to make a phone that people like.
+10
Maybe this is not a bad idea:
"In fact, wearing my rose colored glasses, it means they can reinvent HP WebOS...
So HP lets WEBos die, and Palm name die.....
Next Fall (2011) announce BRAND NEW line of phones and printers and toasters, all based on this new great HP/OS from HP.
WOW Standing ovation for HP...... everyone forgot PALM and WEBOS.... what a great new supplier of new phones and printers and software and apps from HP!
Except that it was 4.2% in September and 2.4 MILLION users. It's December and that number is probably around 3.9% and still over 2 million with an increase around 20-30k users.
http://tinyurl.com/38693k4
wow that's really cool let palm show off at CES
Here's my take on this:
You go onto the floor if you have something that you want people to see, touch, and use hands-on.
You have a private meeting room if you are just announcing and want to show, but not allow anyone to touch, a product.
Maybe someone can remember CES 2009, did they actually let anyone hold and use a Pre, or was it all show and no touch?
Yes, we touched it. It was mostly show though.
maybe they were afraid it would break if they allowed people to touch the phone in 2009 since the original pre felt so flimsy and oreo effect.
Assuming something new and shiny is revealed at CES does this mean another 6 - 9 months for it to be released?
noooo way. they know better than that now. they are def going to pull and apple and release very soon after its announced. these days u haaave to release just as soon as the hype is fresh. thats one of the huge mistakes they made with the origional pre launch, and they know it. however, with the origional pre launch i dont think that was their intention. they had probably scheduled internally to release it much sooner after the announcement but had wayy to many problems to still work out
Yes. They clearly learned their lesson. That's why the Pre2 was announced months ago and still has yet to see a US carrier release. Same with webOS 2.0. It's been in the hands of mobile blogs for months and has yet to be on anything besides 'new' hardware.
+1000
Palm screwed up last time, announcing the Pre 6 months before it was actually sold. By they time they sold it, attention was elsewhere (though it was the biggest seller Sprint ever had, up to the Evo launch a year later).
They won't announce anything until:
1. the hardware is basically shipping from the factories. And now, HP isn't just talking phones - they are talking about tablets, printers, watches?, touchstones, etc.
2. the carrier agreements are in place, or some big ones are.
3. there is an openning for marketing. Microsoft is planning on a $500 million marketing blitz to promote their new OS (I think that was the number). Anything else is going to be unheard, unless HP also plans on shelling out more. In Spring/Summer, Apple will do their usual. Not sure when Android 3.0 starts shipping. So HP has to pick the time when their message will make the most impact.
Listen, the small market share means HP has little to lose by waiting. Frankly, the small market share was really Palm/Elevation Partner's issue, and HP doesn't have to finish the old game plan (witness their soft launch of the final Palm product, the Pre2). From all we've seen, they are retrenching, pouring in resources, focusing on hardware (new family), turning on the missing parts of the api (sound, photos, etc.), putting out new frameworks, and polishing an already slick OS.
Why push out anything early?
HP is not at CES, but Palm is, and Palm is not at mobile world congress, but HP is. Seems a little reversed to me.
Does it sound like it should be doomcast time again? :(
The biggest letdown of this news is that they WERE registered as exhibitors at one point (PreCentral reported on Oct. 2), and now...they are NOT. Regardless of whether or not they will be in the same 'swank' room again just like when they released the Pre, something happened that made them pull out of that exhibitor position. Is the timeline running a little late? Could they not get their products in order? Keep in mind this event is going to happen in about a month, so if they are not prepared now, it is unlikely that will have it together a month from now as 'showroom quality.'
CES was supposed to be their big bang, but this makes me think otherwise. We will be below 1% before you know it...
This just in, we have no idea.
You don't go to CES without something NEW to show off. It would a waste of high dollar to rehash what was already known and to wait longer. We already got spoiled with webos 2.0 so they cannot rehash that. Has to be new hardware...
Also keep in mind that CES is not a retail sale or a fanboy club. It for industry peeps to see where technology is going.
Neither the Pre or webOS are something a noob can pick up appreciate. A conference room presentation is indeed the ideal location to present it.
In your first paragraph you say that CES is for industry people. Then you say that noobs can't appreciate it. Are the attendees industry people or noobs? Sounds to me like you stand up in a room and show the hardware probably because it won't be ready to use until Summer.
Who cares. Give me my webos 2.0 update for my Sprint Pre already!
I'm tired of all the whining. HP doesn't care about the current webOS 1.2 % marketshare. Get over it. Get over the Pre 2, its a developer phone. They will not half-ass rush the new line of HP branded Palm phones until they have all the ducks in a row. As we all know, the only way to make a splash in this volatile market is to use an H-bomb. If they are ready they will bomb CES, if not, then don't expect anything.
+1
you sir are correct... listen to this guy cuz he is on point
palm won't be the only ones there guys. All the big names will be there. I'm not disapointed cause there will be alot of options.
Palm will either impress or not. If they don't, i'll be a kid in a candy store. And so will the majority of the rest of the Palm faithful.... Which aren't very many at this point.
HP is looking at the long run. Palm faithful mean nothing to them. They'll get new faithful if they come out strong a year from now. Sales is sales.
We here on Precentral need to understand that we don't matter in the short, or long, run.
I've come to accept that.
alot is spelled as two words not one; "a lot"
Sentences begin with a capital letter and end with a period, exclamation point, or question mark.
Geesh, get over yourself grammar police!
Should have put a comma between "yourself" and "grammar".
You should have put a comma between "words" and "one".
This is the same type of room they announced the Pre in. Why are people freaking out? Oh, right.... Idiots.
These are the same people who doubted palm was developing anything a month before the pre was announced. Kinda tired of the same old trolls, trolling again.
+1 billion
I'm sure that at CES and/or SXSW (or somewhere in between) we'll see new stuff (hardware & software) start to trickle out.
Whenever it happens, I just hope they don't let the hype die down before they release it to the public. The Pre got a ton of hype at CES in '09 but it didn't hit the shelves for damn near 6 months. Technology moves too fast for that kind of gap between announcement and release.
I sure hope that they have _SOMETHING_ up their sleeve. My son bought himself an Evo last night and man - it's pretty nice. I don't like Android - but the 4G is fast, the screen is gorgeous.
The lack of a keyboard is also kind of crappy...
let the disappointment and excuses begin.
Again.. we prob won't see phones for 3 to 6 months from now... printers for over a year(like article said).. and tablets LATE next year. Again glad to see all that "pipeline" of amazing phones 2 years later. Lets hope HP didn't trash everything palm had lined up as that would set everything back.
I'm saying this just to try and psych myself out..
Maybe I don't understand the difference but Palm is lised as an exhibitor:
Palm, Inc.Booth(s):
North Hall Upper Level Meeting Rooms - N246
Contact Information:
950 West Maude Ave.
Sunnyvale, CA 94085
408 617 7000 (p)
408 617 0123 (f)
Company Description:
Palm Inc. creates intuitive and powerful mobile experiences that enable consumers & businesses to connect to their information in more useful & usable ways. The groundbreaking Palm webOS
Hewlet Packard is also listed in the directory:
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Hewlett Packard
Booth(s):
North Hall Upper Level Meeting Rooms - N246
Contact Information:
3404 E Harmony Rd
MS 54
Fort Collins, CO 80528
970-898-9295
970-898-9640 (f)
Company Description:
As a global IT leader, HP applies new thinking and ideas to simplify our customers' technology experiences. Our goal is to continuously improve the way our customers - individual consumers to the largest enterprises live and work by providing simple, valuable and trusted exeriences with technology.
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Seems like they are consolidating their exhibit to the one area
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you guys need to chill a little. So bitter over an article that turned out to be basically a typo.
If you are that upset and personally insulted by Palm, then leave. It's not a marriage. It's a tool. If there is a better tool out there that meets your needs, then use it. Why do you guys take this so personally?
For me, I've seen some cool phones lately, but I still prefer my PrePlus. It fits perfect in the palm of my hand, it has the few apps that I would ever actually use, and it functions reliably. On top of that, the homebrew community is absolutely incredible. That makes for the perfect phone for me right now.
I have no control over what phones I get because my mom picks phones for me which sucks. I'm only 14 and by the time I upgrade I'll be 16 but not old enough to make my own sprint line.
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