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by Derek Kessler Tue, 27 Nov 2012 6:23 pm EST

Phoenix's Open webOS-on-Android project gets past the lock screen

While upstart Phoenix International Communications hopes to someday put out their own hardware running our favored mobile operating system (we'll give you one guess as to what that operating system is), in the meantime they're focusing on a more-attainable project: getting Open webOS running as an app on existing Android hardware, without having to make modifications to the Android device itself.

Where the WebOS Ports homebrew team is working on porting Open webOS to the Samsung Galaxy Nexus as a separate operating system, Phoenix wants to run Open webOS on top of Android, giving users the option to run both operating systems simultaneously instead of booting into one or the other. There are advantages to both approaches, so we're happy to have the potential for choices to be offered.

Several weeks ago we brought you the first look at what Phoneix was cooking up, showing off webOS opening as an app on Android. There was a problem, though: they couldn't get past the lockscreen, and attempting to do so crashed the OS/app. So at that point in mid-October, it was more of a proof-of-concept and work-in-progress than anything else. Fast-forward to today and the Phoenix team has made progress, as shown in the video after the break.

Not only can they now get past the lock screen, but webOS actually runs on their test Samsung Nexus S. It's not perfect - there's still a lot of work to be done - as the stuttering and sluggishness driven by the lack of working hardware acceleration shows, but it's progress. Phoenix says that the project is still in "pre-alpha" status; like the WebOS Ports port, it has to be launched via Terminal commands, though eventually Phoenix does plan to implement a launcher icon for the Android side of things. Phoenix has also borrowed some elements from the open source work of the WebOS Ports team, including the swanky phone-sized virtual keyboard they unearthed.

Phoenix right now is entirely volunteer-driven, and as always they're looking for people willing to contribute their skills. Specifically, they're in need of people experienced with working on the Linux Kernel and operating system (both Open webOS and Android share a common Linux base), Android itself, and the GNU toolchain. If you're so inclined, go ahead and hit up the source link below.

29 Comments

They're using a Nexus S - not a Galaxy S. Similar hardware but the distinction is worth noting.

I knew that. My fingers did not.

*fixed*

I figured that it was probably something like that. At least your fingers picked a phone that is build on nearly the exact same hardware, just a few slight differences.

It looks like they need someone to pitch in and get them a new touchscreen too :-)

This is an interesting concept, if there aren't too many insurmountable issues getting webOS to be able to access the core HW services it needs to function fully.
Look forward to seeing more updates on their progress. Unfortunately, I don't have the expertise to offer in that department :-(

That's cool, I would switch from my iphone 5 if this ever becomes a commercial reality, to a 4G Android device.

If StyleTap charges $50 for their app to run PalmOS on Android, you can charge the same. I would gladly pay $40-50 for this to work on my EVOLTE. Wow.

HP couldn't sell webos phones but this company is suppose to? Is this a joke?

HP was the joke, not webOS. Or better yet Apotheker....

Nay, the first was correct. At least those lobotomized chimps that hired this jerk without looking at his CV, were jokes. Before that HP was just that company with the worst printer drivers on earth.

I don't think they would want to sell android phones, but webOS as an app on any android phone one can buy.
I'm awaiting either webOS Ports or Phoenix's project to be good-to-go and I'll either buy the LG Nexus 4 or the Samsung Galaxy III. By preference, I would absolutely love webOS to be able to run on the Samsung Galaxy Note II (e-Pen included)!
Please hurry, the dark side of the force is getting stronger and stronger in me (I'm so tempted with the LG Nexus 4 and the SG Note II (not so much with the SGIII)!!!

pretty encouraging! And also lends to respect for Palm that they got it running so well on the Pre.

Impressive, but no rounded corners? Please.....

yeah. There shall be no webos without round corners

How about a Android app for the touchpad?

Sweet! I hope that someone finds a solution for hardware accelerated graphics. Nice broken screen, btw. (sorry, couldn't' resist. I never managed to break one myself)

just think how many times it was thrown against the wall under frustration

nice job so far.....I'm interested in this for sure

assuming as an app we will be able to use a sprint Nexus device which I'm told couldn't be done in ports?

What is the reason it can't be done on a Sprint Nexus?

shame its webOS on android and not android on webOS, totally the wrong os supporting the other imho.

Watching WebOS on a large modern phone just sets off my DEEP DESIRE for a fully updated WebOS running natively on modern phones. As it is, more and more apps keep "dieing" on my TouchPad and Pre-2 as time goes by due to no updates. If I decide to take the time I might try installing Android on the TP, though more likely I'll be switching at least my phone to something else anyway over the next number of months. What choice is there? Holding on keeps getting harder and harder. I sincerely hope these herculean efforts succeed, and ultimately convince someone to produce smartphones fully competitive with Windows Phone-8 / iOS / Android / RIM-10. Most of us obviously won't be able to hang on until that happens though. If and when it does happen we'll be back.

Q: Which competitor is "most like WebOS" in features? Is it RIM-10? Windows Phone-8?

Most definitely, BB10 is the closest thing in "spirit" of webOS. Gestures all around, fantastic "flow", neat, functional tricks, true multitasking...

Sorry to see them going down anyway. I won't pick another loser company, will have to stay with Android (which BTW is getting better with every iteration, and 4.1.2 "vanila" Android experience, is quite nice.

I'm not so sure about wanting this but I do c the benefits of it for webOS. Hopefully this can attract people to webOS UI and maybe webOS internals can get the actual OS running 100% soon. They should just try to make android market work with webOS would b a better choice in my opinion.
Either way I'm happy to c webOS lives on!

wow i like it

I think this is a brilliant strategy... Make it easy for Android users to get a taste of WebOS, thus building a user base, plus have something to show to potential partners for native WebOS phones in the future.

Sorry to spoil the party here, if you want to call it that, but this is just pathetic!

I had a Pre- for almost 3 years...so that tells you a little about how patient I am...and it was way faster than this! I could barely make it 30 seconds in to the video without pulling my hair out. Watching the unlock process alone take almost 20 seconds was brutal...and more importantly, is just not feasible (to be implemented on a real phone) in any way.

Again, I'm sorry, I just don't see this as anything but a waste of time for these volunteer programmers (it would probably be more productive to further develop/enhance CE than this). Even if they are able to achieve hardware acceleration, there are so many other likely problems and shortcomings (see my prior post http://www.webosnation.com/phoenix-finally-reveals-first-step-their-plan...) that this just isn't worth it!

hear, hear...

Double post...again from my TP. Sorry.

You know I have to say this is a great idea but I don't think that google would ever allow this

...this is all great, but it is completely moot point: having webOS running on top of Android????? What for??? Academic exercise??? What's the benefit????

If anyone could port some Android compatibility layer onto webOS - that would be huge, and that is what webOS (open or not) needs ATM, to have any chance of prolonging it's "Best Before" date.