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Pre 3 finally brings the hardware muscle to back up webOS 180

by Phil Nickinson Wed, 09 Feb 2011 3:06 pm EST

Ladies and gentlemen, the Pre 3. A thin slider with the largest QWERTY keyboard yet, it sports a 3.6-inch display at WVGA resolution -- 2.5 times that of the Pre. It's got a 5MP camera, HD video with stabilization, front-facing camera for video calling. Wifi b/g/n, 8GB or 16GB of storage. Same RAM as the Pre 2, and a Qualcomm processor at 1.4GHz!

No exact date or price yet, but it'll be available "this summer." The Pre 2 will come in two versions -- HSPA+ and EVDO Rev. A.

Full presser and specs are after the break.

HP Pre3 Introduces the New Look of Business for the 24-hour Life

 

Bigger and better touchscreen, more processing power and all-new keyboard deliver professional productivity and personal connectivity

 

PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--For professionals who require powerful mobile productivity with an eye on personal connectivity, HP (NYSE: HPQ) today announced the versatile HP Pre3 smartphone running HP webOS.

 

“In the suite of webOS products we’re introducing today, Pre3 is our premier phone, designed for the speed of business”

 

With a large 3.58-inch touchscreen, fast 1.4-GHz processor and a full slide-out keyboard, Pre3 is a multitasking professional workhorse that’s perfectly balanced for speed and serious fun.

 

Pre3 is one of the products HP announced today to introduce a unique experience for customers around connected mobility. It’s one of the building blocks in HP’s vision to seamlessly connect all your worlds through the power of HP webOS.

 

“In the suite of webOS products we’re introducing today, Pre3 is our premier phone, designed for the speed of business,” said Jon Rubinstein, senior vice president and general manager, Palm Global Business Unit, HP. “It enables professionals to accomplish more of their important workday tasks while easily keeping their fingers on the pulse of their personal lives.”

 

Pre3 is the ideal smartphone for multitasking professionals who rely on advanced messaging and voice capabilities to stay connected with all aspects of their busy lives.(1) With a slim design and high-capacity battery,(2) it is comfortable to carry and use all day. The phone’s fast performance and large, high-resolution display accentuate the unique webOS experience for both professional and personal use.

 

The portrait layout enables optimal readability for email, attachments and web, and the new vertical slide-out keyboard – the widest and largest keyboard on any webOS phone to date – helps ensure quick and comfortable error-free typing. It’s ideal for heavy email and messaging needs, web browsing, enjoying multimedia and for staying in touch with business and social circles.(1,3)

 

For professionals who demand more than productivity

 

With an array of features that are critical for professionals balancing work and personal use – including the speed of 3G and Wi-Fi,(1) a comfortable keyboard for typing and a large vivid touchscreen – Pre3 offers the best of both worlds on the powerful HP webOS platform:

 

* Business-class email – Pre3 offers business-class email and encrypted data storage to protect critical information and supports industry-standard VPN to connect to corporate networks. You can read and write email with ease, view your email accounts together or easily toggle between them.(1,3)

* More ways to connect – With the HP Synergy feature, you just have to sign in to your Facebook®, Google, Microsoft® Exchange, LinkedIn and Yahoo!® accounts. Your information – email, contacts, calendars – automatically populates your phone and stays updated so it’s always at your fingertips.(3) Integrated messaging conveniently combines all your text messages, picture messages and IM conversations with one person into a single view, and you can connect through SMS, MMS, Google Talk, AIM and Yahoo! Messenger.

* The whole web – Pre3’s high-performance web browser offers support for HTML5 features and Adobe® Flash® Player 10.1 beta for access to rich, Flash-based web content on the phone’s big, vivid display.(1)

* Video calling – Pre3 has a front-facing camera, a great speaker and noise cancellation for a state-of-the-art video calling experience.(1,4)

* True Multitasking – webOS works the way you do. Begin an email, pause to answer a call, check your calendar, send a text, then switch back to your email without closing anything. Pre3 lets you easily manage multiple open applications and notifications using natural touch gestures. Whether you’re planning a meeting or a night on the town, webOS keeps related items together so managing multiple tasks is easy.(5)

* Just Type – Start an email, create a message, update your status and search your favorite websites – all before you’ve even opened an app. Because webOS works the way you do, whenever you want to do something on your Pre3 – whether it’s emailing, texting, searching or almost anything – just type.

* Quickoffice Connect Mobile Suite – HP is working with Quickoffice to include the Quickoffice Connect Mobile Suite, which offers support for viewing Microsoft Office Word and Excel and provides integration with a variety of services, including Google Docs and Box.net.

* Touch-to-share – With HP’s new and exclusive touch-to-share feature, you’ll be able to simply tap your Pre3 phone to the new HP TouchPad to share web addresses between devices.(6)

* GPS – Get where you need to be with built-in GPS on Pre3. Apps such as Fandango and OpenTable work with GPS to pinpoint your exact location, get directions, find nearby places of interest and provide turn-by-turn directions.(7)

* Apps to keep you connected – The webOS App Catalog features thousands of apps for fast and easy access to all the things you need to keep your day moving, such as weather, news, hotel and restaurant reviews and reservations, flight info and games.(8) Mobile social networking apps such as Facebook and Twitter allow you to stay connected throughout your hectic day and update your status and upload pictures in real time.

* HP mobile hotspot – Pre3 also supports the HP mobile hotspot, enabling your phone to act as a mobile Wi-Fi router so you can share wireless internet connectivity with up to five Wi-Fi-enabled devices, including the new HP TouchPad, as well as notebooks, gaming devices and portable media players.(9)

 

Pre3 is compatible out of the box with HP Touchstone (sold separately). The webOS Exhibition feature lets you run apps designed specifically for HP Touchstone – showing you anything from today’s agenda to a slideshow of your photos – turning charge time into useful time.(10)

 

Pre3 is one of three webOS products announced today (see separate announcements for HP Veer and HP TouchPad). Each product plays a distinct role in the growing webOS family, designed to meet the varying needs of customers in a rapidly evolving mobile landscape.

 

Availability

 

The HP Pre3 smartphone is scheduled to be available in the summer. Exact pricing and availability will be announced at a later date.

 

HP Pre3 features and specs

 

* HP webOS

* High-speed connectivity(1)

* Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8x55 1.4-GHz processor

* 3.58-inch multitouch screen with a vibrant, 24-bit color, 480 x 800 resolution display

* Gesture area, which enables simple, intuitive gestures for navigation

* Redesigned vertical slide-out QWERTY keyboard with backlight

* 8 or 16 gigabytes (GB) of internal storage(11)

* High-performance browser with full access to the web, including support for Adobe Flash Player 10.1 beta for access to rich, Flash-based web content(1)

* Wireless connectivity:

o Wi-Fi 802.11b/g/n with WPA, WPA2, WEP, 802.1X authentication(1)

o Integrated GPS (and A-GPS)(7)

o Bluetooth® wireless technology 2.1 + EDR with A2DP stereo Bluetooth support

o Wi-Fi router functionality for up to five devices using HP mobile hotspot(9)

* Multimedia options, including music, photos, video recording and playback, a 5-megapixel autofocus camera with LED flash and a 3.5 mm stereo headset jack

o Rear-facing autofocus camera with flash, HD camcorder (capable up to 720p video recording)

o Front-facing VGA fixed-focus camera for live video calling(4)

* Email, including EAS (for access to corporate Microsoft Exchange servers) and personal email support (Google Gmail push, Yahoo!, POP3, IMAP)(3)

* Robust messaging support (combining IM, SMS and MMS capabilities)(12)

* Proximity sensor, light sensor, accelerometer and compass

* Removable, rechargeable 1,230 mAh battery

* USB mass storage mode to transfer media and other files quickly between desktop and device

* Ringer switch, which easily silences the ringer with one touch

* Compatible with HP Touchstone (sold separately)

* Dimensions: 111 mm x 64 mm x 16 mm (4.37 inches x 2.52 inches x .63 inches)

* Weight: 156 grams (5.5 ounces)

 

More information about HP Pre3 is available at www.palm.com/Pre3.

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please come to sprint baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also where's my 32g of memory?

Problem is, we still have to WAIT!

Dang!

Good to know it was worth staying with HP/Palm, though...

OH, yeah, and will it be on SPRINT?! I guess I spoke to early--the jury is still out!

so new webos phone on sprint until summer???

I was told a few weeks back by a Sprint employee, Palm wasn't doing anything with Sprint until Summer. So that would line up. Let's hope.

1.4ghz processor?!!! wow....but seriously....where's the horitzontal slider...for real..this isn't funny

I was waiting for a virtual keyboard to remove the thickness of the phone, but if this is all they have i'll take it.
My pre minus is in really bad shape.

there's nothing to be wow'ed about with a 1.4Ghz processor - this thing isn't going to be released until the SUMMER!

Yes there is "WOW you are really releasing THIS in the summer? When it will be outdated"

Your horizontal slider is on your EVO Shift, oh but wait....no webOS ha??? I love vertical sliders if they feel like top quality and the Pre3 looks really nice as does the Veer. They have nice metal accents with an elegant form factor. They serve webOS perfectly!!

So much for hardware being ready now.... Me wonders how this will compare to the iPhone 5 when that's announced and released this summer. HP is a step behind.

Also.. releasing this SUMMER and no 4G?! Is this some kind of joke?

I would have bet money we'd get webOS 2.x on our current devices and Pre3 available by the end of March... Alas, I'm officially disappointed.. My Pre minus is falling apart and I have to wait til summer... not sure what I'm going to do. :/

Nope, not a joke - keeping up with their motto - "In the coming months"

I'm sure Apple could talk the same game as HP - they're going to release the ipad3 with a 2ghz processor - but oh wait, it won't happen until Christmas!

HP - you've lost the last battle. Close up shop - you should've listened to everyone - instead you just made the same stupid mistakes... so sad as webos was a great os.

I agree, but there are at least taking a step. I'm going to stay optimistic.

I think you have a 2 there that should be a 3.

Finally!

Demoralizing.

WEAK looks like the same old same old why cant they just make a slab type phone without the keyboard. the specs aren't that great with all the duel core and 3d display android phones coming

I agree. Same old phone with a few minor upgrades. Not worth wasting an upgrade for.

minor upgrades??
Front facing cam, 1.4 ghz, bigger screen (3.6").. I want this phone!.. I wish it wasnt going to take them so long to get it though!!

Although, I do agree they need a SLAB style.. they failed there...

They also should of had a candybar stle instead of that "veer"

Overall I rate the event a 7.. Would have been a 10 if they threw in a slab phone, possible horizontal slider for those who like that..

Would have given the TouchPad a 10 if it had that special dock like the leaked documents showed.. I want that HDMI touchtone to TV wirelss streaming from the TouchPad to the TV...

MAN! THESE PEOPLE R SIMPLY OLD RETARDS! THEY NEED HELP! WAT IS THIS GARBAGE? I HATE SLIDING MY F@@KIN FONE TO DO SHIIT! YET THEY MAKE ANOTHER ONE OF THIS GARBAGE!

I may be wrong, but aren't the new dual core phones going to be running each core at 1GHz? So, unless the app is optimized to run both cores at the same time, (which there won't be many that do), 1.4GHz all the time would be faster . . . no?

That depends on your workload. The OS is doing preemptive multitasking (in the same way it is done in your desktop OS) so if you are running several demanding applications at the same time, the dual core phone will seem more responsive. Especially since the OS has better possibilities to favour the UI processes.

This looks amazing.

Not too impressed. I guess the processor is good, but the camera I was expecting at least 8MP. A 3.6 inch display...no thank you. I will stick with my EVO. Fail!

The Evo's 8MP camera sucks. The Epics 5MP camera takes way better pictures. People get to wrapped up in the numbers but don't actually consider the quality. As far as the size, the EVO is too big. I want something that fits EASILY into my pocket for a phone. If I need a portable device with a large screen I'll get a tablet thank you.

EVO 5MP setting takes pics much better than the 8MP setting. Plus, please show me the difference between the Pre3 and the original. What, a somewhat larger keyboard? Come on!

I was so excited, only to be let down. A 4 inch, curved phone should have been on the agenda, opposed to rehasing the same freakin hardware.

The EVO fits in my pocket by the way. And what was the point of the Veer then? I thought it was for people like you, that wanted something that fits EASILY in your pocket. And for the rest of us, the give us the same freakin phone we got in June of 2009.

> please show me the difference between the Pre3 and the original

Just little things like a 1.4 gHz processor, 800x480 screen, a high-capacity battery, and it's thinner than previous models.

Nothing in your comment makes sense. I could post a lengthy reply about how you're wrong but I don't think its worth it. Its like you don't even know what is going on around you. As if you just seen the pictures of the Pre3 and made up the rest in your stupid head. What a loser.

Truth, when I got my Evo (that I took back) the Camera was...disappointing as was the HD video-

Quality of the sensor and lense is the key- my Nikon s8100 @ 12.1 MP is alot better than some 15+ mp shooters.

I am glad for the half inch bigger display, resolution bump and bigger keyboard- although I would liked alittle WIDER of a device than longer, as it seems the pre3 is-

LTE? WiMaX? WHERERU?

Honestly, LTE and WiMax are still in their infancy as a technology. I wouldn't worry about it too much. You having had an EVO, should know that the 4G signal was spotty at best and it drained the already horrid battery life on the phone. Someday 4G will be ready for the mass market, until then I'm fine with a nice steady and strong 3G connection please.

that's nice for you but you're not everybody

It makes me cringe every time I see someone use the word fail or epic in their posts. You're all like sheep with no way to think for yourself so you just buy into what everyone else is saying or doing. I bet you shop at Hot Topic too. Idiot.

Anyway, your comment is retarded. There are many phones with less megapixels that take higher quality pictures than the EVO. I know, I used to have an EVO and the pictures were okay, but they don't take better pictures than an iPhone or a Galaxy S phone which only have up to 5 megapixels.

Anything over 4" and you should consider buying a tablet instead. Maybe that new Kyocera Echo for Sprint with its dual screens will make you shut the hell up. That would make me lulz. :)

Muscle yes. But same form factor, no. I want a slate superphone with no hardware keyboard. I want the TouchPad scaled down to 4" or 4.3". Is that so hard?

apparently for HPalm it is very hard. Maybe they'll announce the next slate design when the Pre3 is released "IN THE COMING MONTHS"

Most people don't want a phone that big.

I don't know how hard it is, but many of us don't want it. If I wanted a slate phone, I would get an iPhone.

The keyboard has always been one of the things that makes the device for me.

I know a lot of people will complain about this but I think its great.

When this phone comes out, phones with dual cores will be out, but do those phones have dual batteries? And how many apps are actually optimized for multiple cores on those devices? Less then 1%? I think the "dual core" phone hype is just that, hype. As long as your phone runs everything quickly and smoothly who cares how many cores it has!

Only 8 and 16GB... Honestly, what do u need more space for? The future is the cloud anyway you don't need to bother putting stuff on your phone anymore.

5MP camera? I'd rather have a quality 5MP camera then an 8MP that sucks. I've seen many 5MP phone camera's that take better pics then the evo's 8MP.

The screen is not big enough? Get a TouchPad too. In fact I might even consider a Veer and TouchPad. Especially if the Veer can be used as a hotspot.

The real star here is WebOS. The hardware doesn't have to be mind-blowing, just competative.

I have all my music on my 32gb micro-sd card, that i listen to on my EVO - and that is near full. So there's one example of "what u need more space for". Unbelievable.

Just a matter of time before you are paying a "cloud" fee? Just like rationing/charging for data use. Mark my words.

You do not need specially optimised apps for dual cores. The OS will just use the two cores to enhance the multitasking experience. It is the same for desktop computing - most desktop programs are not optimised for multicore processors, but you still make a sizable gain if you go dual core.

Bravo sir. Someone who actually uses their brain. There are way too many people who buy into all the hype and they're not happy unless the phone they buy has quad core processors and 50 megapixels, etc. Idiots. They're all sheep.

yeah!!!!!

"No exact date or price yet, but it'll be available "this summer." The Pre 2 will come in two versions -- HSPA+ and EVDO Rev. A."

Is that a typo? Why are you telling us about the "Pre 2" in an article announcing the Pre 3?

Also, WTF did the "Log in" link go on the precentral.net web page? I had to click on the "Register now" link and then click "Log in" from there. Logging in should be quick and easy...

haha I'll take the 16g... SPRINT!!!!! Please for the love of GAWD!!

Did you guys mean to say Pre 3 in that last line?...
I can't wait for this phone...willing to hold out until summer....seems that's when all the electronics I currently want will be making their market debuts...

Hopefully, my HP TouchPad and my Acer Iconia Laptop can co-exist in the same household...

Summer is too long of a freaking wait for the Pre 3 might have to jump ship for a year!! Need a freaking new phone NOW

I can live with 1.4 Ghz... washoping for 4G... but I'll still take it!

Sprint 3G is truly fast enough for what we do on a phone. I have the EVO 4G, I rarely use it because it is spotty and really sucks down battery fast.

One thing that I hate on my EVO or any Android phone, NO unified inbox. There are so many taps taps just to get to different mailboxes. webOS unified mailbox is way easier and elegant. Just me saying.

yall forget to mention it has WEBOS!!! So we are still ahead of iphone and android here.... They may have a slab comin up soon...lets let them work their magic

No 4G? Not available til summer? Aww man. I didn't wantto leave, but alas....

This is so sad. Screen is weaker than iphone's (and that is out for half a year now). And "ready" (Apotheker) is something else than "planned for summer". this is nothing but a joke. give me webos2 for my pre plus. that's all i want...

please come to sprint!!!!!!!!!! Also wheres the 32g memory option?

Okay, I'm jealous. And I like the tiny veer too. Always going back and forth between the it's a PHONE damnit - and should be small to the desire for MORE SCREEN and MORE POWER.

A tablet and the veer will make a truly powerful combination.

Listen all you folks that are complaining get ur asses to Android or iphone. Nothing hp does going to ever please you guys. Get to steppin'.

My only complaint why summer and I'm worry about Sprint and the 4G thing. Camera is good, keybooard good slider good. I'm ready for this phone now.

listen fool we are complaining cuz we have been waiting for this day for a long time to get dissapointing results. i like the pre 3, its nice, but it wont come out for months. thats mega lame

What would please me is HP doin' what they say. A few weeks after today would be beginning of March, not "sometime in the summer". So, yes, I will get to steppin'.

I will be moving to apple now - wanted to stay with webos so I've waited long enough but as predicted "in the coming months" is all we ever get from HPalm. You can stay with your "trusty" HPalm folks - but don't spend too much money on them - they'll not move from their 2% marketshare. When other phones dominate and you're stuck holding an outdated phone, don't complain.

This could bring me back to webOS

FINALLLLLLLLY
A real camera on a PALM device. I'd like to get my hands on one NOW.

Finally......first....please come to Sprint we deserve it

Pre 3 looks great...hopefully the battery life lasts longer. Too bad the camera isnt 10mp tho and it'd be nice if the storage was 16gb with no option of 8gb. Either way, it looks really promising.

what happened to available immediately by HP's new CEO?

nice phone but releases this summer?! fail.

This Summer...!! WTF!!!!!!

Phil assume that the mention of the Pre2 in the last sentence was supposed to be Pre3. Any word on GSM carriers on unlocked only?

I'm bummed. Only EVDO. And "this summer" (read Labor Day). Too little, too late. Time to go shop for an Android. I really didn't want to have to do another conversion.

Not available till this summer is tough. But consider the strengths of webOS platform before you or anyone switch to Android. It really is not a better phone OS than webOS. None is really. I switched to an EVO 4G in Dec., I now wish I didn't! I definitely prefer using webOS in so many ways. Now with better HP hardware, this should be a no brainer. Do sell Pre3 soon!

Well, to be far, you are using Labor Day AS summer. That's the weekend when swimming pools close, so I would think that's fall really. I would say, June 6th, for us early adopters to cash in.

The last day of summer is September 21st. I think HP will use those last 3 weeks.

This makes me HAPPY!!! Bring it to the NOW Network.

Hmmm. No slab phone with 4G LTE? Bye Palm. Here I come HTC Thunderbolt.

PRE 3 FOR ME!!!!!

I like it.

It's the Pre 3, Phil.

Great job HP. You released a Pre 3. What a total let down. I am headed to get my Samsung Epic or EVO. Tablet looks awesome but who cares about the pre 3. Not coming till summer? NO webOS 2.1 release date? I might as well take my Pre minus and throw it into a volcano.

Amen

One of the reasons to care about the Pre 3 is the way it interacts w/all webOS devices, particularly the TouchPad. Summer is a long way away, though.

Eh, its ok, but faster processor though! not that impressed though.

I've said this in all the articles, but releasing in the "summer" is just absolutely saddening! I'm really really sad today! :(

Wow im amazed by the specs.. i really wish it was here sooner that Summer but heck i waited this long.

I can't see how you are amazed by the specs - this product isn't coming out until SUMMER! Other phones will already have this spec by then.

Pre3 is looking good. I like that it's thinner than the pre yet still is a vertical slider. Worried that the battery life is not going to be a real step forward though if its that thin.

But: to be released in summer? Really!? So that's autumn in Europe?

And where's WebOS 2.x for my current Pre? :(

Please let this be available on Sprint!

This is the moment of truth. Is it enough to make us wait til summer, or is it too little, too late in light of the continued Android onslaught this year?

awesome will be upgraded when my contract ends in september for sure, hopefully have the funds for a touchpad to by then!

Dumb question: do both Sprint and VZW have EVDO Rev. A?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379927,00.asp

PC magazine says

"There will be two versions of the Pre 3: an HSPA+ and EVDO Rev A world phone, in 8GB or 16GB."

So I expect Sprint will have the EVDO Rev A (i.e. 3G) WORLD phone - So it probably has the HSPA+ chip in it!

I hope that PC mag is correct because the tech specs on the palm site, from the link in the above article, lists no cell radio information at all.

Yes

Yes

So that's what my next phone will look like. Good to know. Overall, very nice. 4G would have been nice, but not a deal-breaker.

EVDO... that's Sprint, right?

And VZW.

And 3G.

I'm not so 'techy'...does HSPA+ and EVDO Rev. A. mean one of the versions will be on Sprint?

EVDO is CDMA is Sprint & Verizon

4G not even available everywhere...who cares... Eff 4g...

4G is by me...I care

So based on 2.5 times the resolution of the Pre.

That is 480*2.5 = 1200
320*2.5 = 800
On a 3.6" Screen

The iPhone4 is 960-by-640 on a 3.5" screen.

Now my question is... does the directly correlate to PPI?

The math is 320*480*2.5 = 480*800.
iPhone 4 had 4 times as many pixels...
480*320*4 = 960*640

Pre3 is 480x800 vs. Pre(-/+/2) is 320x480

384000 pixels vs. 153600 pixels

384000 = 2.5 * 153600

Bad math, Tasselhof.

Try 480*320 = 153,600 THEN times 2.5 = 384,000.

Pre has 480*320 display = 153,600 pixels
Pre 3 has 800*480 display = 384,000 pixels
iPhone4 has 960*640 display = 614,400 pixels

All phones have a screen ratio of approximately 1.5 high to 1 wide.

Pre diagonal = 3.1, height = 2.65, Pixels/Inch = 181

Pre 3 diagonal = 3.6, height = 3.09, Pixels/Inch = 259

iPhone4 diagonal = 3.5, height = 3.0, Pixels/Inch = 320

It's 480x800. "2.5 times the resolution" means:

480 x 800 = 384000 = 2.5 x (320 x 480)

That is, it's 2.5 times the total number of pixels.

Math fail. 1200x800=960k pixels. 480x320=153.6k pixels. 1200x800 would be 6.3 times the resolution. This looks like 800x480.

As awesome as that would be, you might want to check your math.

Should have been 480*320*2.5 vs. 960*640. Retina still wins.

OMG! waited for these brainless people to bring this garbage after two yrs? i wonder if any moron over at HP or palm thought of people dont like sliding garbage ITS 2011... make an effin fone without the effin sliding bs... i want somthing as simple and goodlookin as IPHONE U MORONS!

then go and get an iphone... idiot. Palm phones have a physical keyboard, that is what sets them apart from others....

Horray for the same formfactor! Glad to see it with a bigger screen. No physical dimensions though? I'm curious to see size comparisons with the OG Pre. Guess we'll have to wait for the hands-on.

Physical dimensions at end of article:

* Dimensions: 111 mm x 64 mm x 16 mm (4.37 inches x 2.52 inches x .63 inches)

* Weight: 156 grams (5.5 ounces)

Pre3: 64x111x16 millimeters
Pre2 (Pre?): 59.6x100.7x16.9 millimeters

Honestly, this is what I have been waiting for? Not a chance. I'm sorry WebOS, but I am gone. I'm going to grab some decent hardware on an Android device as soon as Sprint gets there heads out of their *** and brings out a new Android flagship.

EFF ANDROID BUT YES I AGREE! THIS IS PLAIN TRASH! HORRIBLE! IDIOTIC! PATHETIC! SIMPLY STUPID! THEY SHOULD FAIL AS A COMPANY AND OS... JUST HATE TO SEE WEBOS ON THE HANDS OF THESE MINDLESS F@@KS!

The Pre3 looks great, but between now and it's release, the number of apps needs to atleast triple. Also, SPRINT. Excited about the future of webos, but hoping older pre's are not forgotten and we get an update soon.

What happened to HP CEO Leo Apotheker's statment that "When HP makes announcements, it will be getting ready to ship.”

YES! All my friends that I have been defending webOS to, are asking me, 'when? when is something else coming out?'. I say, well, the CEO just said WEEKS after announcement, so very very soon. They asked me today...I walked away. ARE YOU READING THIS HP? I LOVE WEBOS. I AM NOT GETTING PAID TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT YOUR COMPANY, WHICH I DO QUITE OFTEN.....OFTEN....I WAITED IN LINE JUNE 2009 FOR THE PRE, AND AFTER YOU ANNOUNCE AN IMPROVED MODEL THAT HAS CLOSE TO EVERYTHING IVE BEEN ASKING FOR, YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO WAIT 4-5 MONTHS AT MINIMUM TO EVEN HOLD IT? YOU HAVE THE MONEY, USE IT!!! PUT A DEVICE OUT NOW!!!

WOW that it? A big pre, and it coming out in the summer....come hp!!!

I HOPE HPALM FAIL N GO BANKRUPT! I HATE THEIR IDEAS FOR A FONE... ITS TRASH LIKE THE FIRST PRE... THAT FONE FAILD Y MAKE ANOTHER ONE OF EM AFTER TWO YRS? THIS IS PATHETIC! WAIST OF TIME. I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE IPHONE. GARBAGE BRAINLESS PEOPLE WORK IN THIS TWO COMPANY... WATCH... THIS IS GUNNA FAIL AS BAD AS THE FIRST PRE!

Stop yelling, learn to spell, and don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out.

U MAKE NO SENSE! MY EFFIN BROWSER IS CAPABLE OF EFFIN SPELL CHECK U MORON! THE ONLY TIME I WOULD WRITIN PROPER IS WEN IM EXPRESSING MY DEEP F@@K FEELINGS TO UR MOM! =)

I would get your spellcheck checked out, and I doubt you would "writin proper" ever. I also second the stop yelling.

lol...

Thats why I love this place!

... In the coming months? Humm. Do I wait or do I get a WP7?

my premier upgrade is march 1.

Front and rear facing cameras! ;)

The keyboard is going to be a great fit.. Ive modeled this at 3.8 screen, and 3.6" screen is almost the same.. lots of width for the keys to work with.

Very impressive.

Not to mention the nice wide bezel along both sides of the screen. The Pre3 is almost .2" wider than the Pre.

I am on board here. Will be picking up the touchpad. when is the sale date?

YES! Include 1500 mAh battery or better and Sprint, and this is the phone I wanted!

*applauds*

*hits the brakes* Less than 1300 mAh? Um...

Glad Pre name will still be relevant sorta...

Sounds awesome, but I just can't wait that long. Evo it is for me. Maybe I'll get the Pre 4.

I like it. I like the keyboard, i like the screen res increase, the camera improvements, all of it.

Worldwide? That's my question. Hp you've got till Oct (my upgrade month, I got my original GSM Pre on day one).

hp are at least offering something different to the rest of the market. Want an iphone? Go get one, or some cheap Chinese knock off. Don't like the keyboard/form factor? Plenty of us do, or why would RIM attempt the 9800 Torch?

yes they could take a leap forward & attempt to outpace the rest, it's a huge risk. I think they've done a good leap, plus lept sideways at the same time. It's a coordinated offering, and i think it's a track the others haven't thought of/tried yet.

i'm sticking with them, just as long as they realise that there's a huge world out there to deal with. I don't want iOS/Android/WP7, they don't interest me. Heck, think might rather even go back to a dumbphone if that was my only choice

& I just have to re-quote from the anandtech's webos 2.0 review:
""I will never understand how they put that much effort into making a OS and put it on the shittiest plastic/hardware they could find"

I worked for Palm for 5 years from 02 to 07. They are never able to fire on all pistons at the same time to get anything meaningful done... Alot of good people there, but the management on the hardware/engineering side is useless.

My favorite quote from a Palm employee? "I have never seen so many smart people that truly care and are trying hard, go into a meeting together and come up with such stupid solutions" "

ALL THIS? did anyone read the Atrix specs? umm, hey look ma, it's palm, with... with... VAPORWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently, nobody currently at Palm has ever used a Palm Treo - or else so many features from PalmOS years ago would not still be missing from webOS.

I like the Pre3 (definitely not looking for a new form factor), but Summer is too long. I held off on the Shift until this event, but with a projected Summer arrival and no carrier information, I will make the change now.

I don't expect to like it as much as WebOS, but my June 2009 phone will not hold out for another 6-8 months.

so sad..

should have 4G; don't understand that one at all

Is just this the "hardware muscle" for webOS and only for this summer???

Let's see:

-Larger screen - OK
-Better CPU - OK

-800*480 resolution? Why not a 960*640 like last year iPhone? Would be also simpler for developers.
-No Gyro? iPhone and Android already have
-1230 mAh battery??? Just 80 mAh better than the Pre? Why not al least 1400 mAh like others have?
-8 or 16 GB storage? iPhone and Android (with microSD) have 32 GB since 2009!
-Same crappy keyboard with keys too close to each other

The Pre 3 specs were good for 2010 but for 2011-2012 are disappointing considering also that iphone 5 and new Androids are coming! :-(

Why Palm is always waisting the fabulous webOS with an inadequate hardware??? Same mistakes of 2009! They haven't learned anything! :-(

Very impressed with the pre3. Just wish it was going to be ready sooner.

BESIDES THE TABLETS, THE PHONES R TRASH! UGLY, POINTLESS, ND OLD LOOKIN! PRE WAS GARBAGE SO AS THE REST UNTIL THEY CHANGE THE LOOK OF IT COMPLETELY THAN THIS TRASH PRE STUFF! NF I WOULD NOT BE BUYING THIS TRASH! ILL JUST GIVE IT TO A HOMELESS F@@K, ATLEAST HE BE HAPPIER THAN ME!

We get it, you don't like the phone. You think the pre is an ugly phone and you were hoping for a new form factor. But you didn't get it. Why so angry? Its like getting pissed at Ford because they didn't come out with the Camaro. If you want a Camaro go buy one.

Diggin it. Will buy.

Excellency. The Pre3 is next on deck. Tablet looks cool...but don't really need or want one. Til I go and take it for a spin that is...

Anyways, bring the Pre3! Sprint! please!

This looks great! I can't wait for the new phone, I'll stay up all night if I need to.

And by the way, you whiners who want a new form fractor or slab phone: Get and iphone and go away! Palm has always had a physical keyboard and I hope always will. Jees, you can download any number of virtual keyboards if you like and never open it up. Go away, and don't rain on our parade!

.... back to where I was; oh yeah, the pre 3 looks great! Hp is really getting serious about the cloud and I think this phone reflects that. How fast is 1.4 gh if you overclock? We'll see, but for today I'm really happy. I think they hit a home run and will soon be ahead of apple instead of pulling even. I hpoe sprint will pick this up, I really don't want to leave them but I will...

but will the GPS suck, like on the Pre minus?

I wanna overclock this!!!!!
Dont ask Why?
Just because we can !!!! bahahaha

Look here at the specs of Motorola Atrix:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/09/motorola-atrix-4g-review/#.4146-stage-hero1-1

Why Palm/HP is always 1-2 years BEHIND???

I see a couple things that are interesting to note:
1- No cell radio info is listed. Even on the palm site.
2- the tap phone to touchpad to transfer feature requires touchpad Webos 3.0 and smartphone webos 2.2. This info is in the light gray footnotes.

It sounds to me that this phone is far from full-baked yet.
We'll have to see how things progress as we get closer to the Summer 2011 release.

I like what I see. I really like the idea of the Touchpad reducing the need for a giant phone ala android. I am not walking around on the street with gps on my Touchpad. My only regret is no product no Pre3 or Touchpad avaiable in the spring and where is webOS 2.1?

As a friend pointed out, the TouchPad (nee PalmPad, hPad, Pablet?, Palmblet?) has an accelerometer but the Pre3 and Pixi2 - er - Veer do not. This will be a problem for application developers because they will need to accommodate both input methods if they do not want to limit their app to one device.

Pre3
No SD card is still a mistake.
Max of 16G is still a mistake.
No accelerometer is a mistake.
No 4G is a future compatibility mistake.

TouchPad
Actually may have competitive specs to the iPad 2.
Max of 32G is a mistake.
1G RAM is good.