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Pre Plus and Pixi Plus to hit AT&T in 'Coming Months' 138

by Dieter Bohn Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:08 am EDT

AT&T Palm Pre Plus and AT&T Palm Pixi Plus

Palm has announced that the Palm Pre Plus and Palm Pixi Plus are coming to AT&T in "the coming months." Pricing will be what you'd pretty much guess for the Palm Pre Plus: $149.99 for the Palm Pre Plus. The Palm Pixi Plus on AT&T will clock in at a refreshing $49.99. Naturally, both prices are after a $100 mail-in rebate and a two-year contract.

Both phones will be on the 850/1900 3G bands and so are not identical to the European Palm Pre Plus (p101ueu) expected soon for SFR France. In terms of software, both phones will feature

  • AT&T Navigation (based on Telenav) for an additional monthly fee 
  • AT&T Address book integrated with Palm's Synergy feature
  • Yellow Pages from AT&T
  • AT&T Whisper Service, which will automatically log the phones into AT&T WiFi hotspots when they are available.

Not available on either phone is Mobile Hotspot for tethering, as that is a Verizon-exclusive service. Both phones, like their European predecessors, are capable of Bluetooth tethering but AT&T has not as of this writing revealed whether they'll offer a tethering option.

Quoth Palm CEO Jon Rubinstein:

AT&T and Palm have a history of smartphone leadership, and today’s announcement is a significant milestone for us,” said Jon Rubinstein, Palm chairman and chief executive officer. “With Palm webOS phones coming to AT&T, Palm can help most anyone in the United States stay connected so they never miss a thing.

We'll add that once these phones hit AT&T Palm will be on the three largest US carriers. We're bummed that we don't have a firm release date. Previous rumors have pointed to May as a possibility, but those FCC documents were for the (presumably scrapped) regular Palm Pre P100UNA. Additionally, Palm's Q4 earnings outlook is small enough that a late-quarter launch is looking more likely.

In addition to the standard, black back cover, the Pixi Plus will also be available with a blue back cover. Aftermarket and artist-series Pixi back covers will of course also work with the Pixi Plus.

We're on the scene at CTIA and hope to have live hands-on in the coming days! Full press release after the break

 

Palm webOS Smartphones to be Available for AT&T Customers

Palm to Showcase Pre Plus and Pixi Plus at CTIA Wireless 

SUNNYVALE, Calif., March 22, 2010 – AT&T’s 80 million customers will soon have a new choice for staying connected in their fast-paced lives -- the Palm® webOS™ platform. Palm, Inc. (NASDAQ: PALM) today announced that the Palm Pre™ Plus and Palm Pixi™ Plus phones will be available on the nation’s fastest 3G network for $149.99 and $49.99, respectively, with a two-year service agreement and after a $100 mail-in rebate.

“AT&T and Palm have a history of smartphone leadership, and today’s announcement is a significant milestone for us,” said Jon Rubinstein, Palm chairman and chief executive officer. “With Palm webOS phones coming to AT&T, Palm can help most anyone in the United States stay connected so they never miss a thing.”

Pre Plus and Pixi Plus will be featured in Palm’s booth (No. 7053) at CTIA Wireless, which runs March 23-25 in Las Vegas.

With a slider keyboard, a larger touchscreen and a high-performance processor, Pre Plus is Palm’s full-featured Palm webOS phone. It’s designed for people who want an easy-to-use phone with advanced features to help manage the different aspects of their lives, both personal and professional. The keyboard makes for quick and easy typing, while the unique gesture area provides a sleek look and intuitive navigation. Customers also get 16GB(1) of storage (~15GB user available) for applications and media. Pre Plus comes with the Palm Touchstone™ Back Cover, so it’s compatible out of the box with the revolutionary inductive Touchstone Charging Dock (sold separately).

As Palm’s thinnest phone to date, Pixi Plus fits easily in your hand or pocket and offers a host of powerful features, including Wi-Fi. It’s great for social communicators and first-time smartphone buyers who want an affordable and customizable phone with a full QWERTY keyboard instantly accessible for messaging and web content. Available in the original black as well as a new blue exclusive to AT&T, Pixi Plus is designed to let you express yourself. With the color Palm Pixi Touchstone Back Covers and the Palm Pixi Artist Series Back Covers (www.palm.com/artistseries), which are compatible with the Touchstone Charging Dock, you can easily switch covers to suit your mood and style (all sold separately at www.palm.com/store).

“We’re offering our customers even greater choice by adding Palm Pre Plus and Palm Pixi Plus to the nation’s best smartphone portfolio,” said Jeff Bradley, senior vice president, Devices, AT&T Mobility and Consumer Markets. “Palm webOS plus included access to the nation’s largest Wi-Fi network and the ability to talk and surf the web at the same time is a powerful combination.”

Pre Plus and Pixi Plus showcase the defining features of Palm webOS, including the ability to run multiple applications simultaneously and easily move between them; the power of Palm Synergy™, which brings customers’ information from the many places it resides into a single, more comprehensive view; unobtrusive notifications; and universal search.(2) Palm webOS also has a unique model of over-the-air software updates that delivers new features and performance improvements directly to a user’s phone. Past updates have included support for 3D games and video recording allowing webOS customers to use their phones in fun, new ways.

A significant advantage of Palm webOS applications is that they can be integrated into the core webOS functionalities, such as linked contacts, layered calendars, notifications and GPS, providing a rich catalog of innovative and unique offerings for Palm webOS users. The growing Palm App Catalog offers some of the best apps in the market – such as Pandora, Fandango, and rich 3D games like “Need for Speed™ Undercover” and “Guitar Hero” – unique in their high integration with the webOS device. Currently there are more than 2,000 applications for download.

Pre Plus and Pixi Plus feature Wi-Fi connectivity, and AT&T customers with these devices will receive AT&T Wi-Fi access at U.S. hotspots included as part of their unlimited data plan. The phones transparently connect to Wi-Fi when in range of an AT&T hotspot, providing customers with fast and seamless access to music, email, video and the web. AT&T has the nation’s largest Wi-Fi network with more than 20,000 U.S. hotspots.

Pre Plus and Pixi Plus also support a variety of AT&T services, including AT&T Navigator for audible turn-by-turn navigation (subscription required), AT&T Address Book to easily synchronize online contacts to your phone, and YPMobile to quickly find local businesses. They also include the following features and specifications. (NOTE: A complete list of features and specifications for each phone is available at www.att.com/WebOS or www.palm.com/PrePlus and www.palm.com/PixiPlus.)

  • Palm Synergy™, a key feature of Palm webOS that brings your information from all the places it resides – including Outlook(3), Google, Facebook, Yahoo! and LinkedIn – into one logical view that links your contacts and calendars, so accessing them is easier than ever

  • The ability to run multiple applications simultaneously and easily move between them

  • Unobtrusive notifications

  • Universal search

  • Over-the-air software updates delivered directly to a user’s phone

  • High-quality applications from the Palm App Catalog

  • High-speed connectivity

  • Gesture area, which enables simple, intuitive gestures for navigation

  • Full QWERTY keyboard

  • High-performance, desktop-class web browser

  • Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g

  • Integrated GPS(4)

  • Robust messaging support (combining IM, SMS and MMS capabilities)

  • Multimedia options, including music, photos, video recording and playback, a camera with LED flash and a standard 3.5mm headset jack

  • Email, including EAS (for access to corporate Microsoft Exchange servers) and personal email support (Google Gmail push, Yahoo!, POP3, IMAP)

  • Bluetooth® 2.1 + EDR with A2DP stereo Bluetooth support

  • USB mass storage mode

  • Charger/microUSB connector with USB 2.0 Hi-Speed

  • Proximity sensor, which automatically disables the touchscreen and turns off the display whenever you put the phone up to your ear

  • Light sensor, which reduces power usage by dimming the display if the ambient light is dark

  • Accelerometer, which automatically orients web pages and photos to your perspective

  • Ringer switch, which easily silences the device with one touch

  • Removable, rechargeable battery

  • Band/modes: UMTS bands/HSDPA 3.6: 850/1900; Quad band GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; GSM/GPRS/EDGE Class 10

Availability and Pricing

Palm Pre Plus and Palm Pixi Plus will be available in AT&T stores and online at www.wireless.att.com in the coming months for $149.99 and $49.99, respectively, with a two-year service agreement and after a $100 mail-in rebate. More information is available at www.att.com/webOS.

About Palm, Inc.

Palm, Inc. creates intuitive and powerful mobile experiences that enable consumers and businesses to connect to their information in more useful and usable ways. The company’s groundbreaking Palm webOS™ platform, designed exclusively for mobile application, introduces true multitasking and Palm Synergy™, which brings your information from the many places it resides into a single, more comprehensive view of your life.

Palm products are sold through select Internet, retail, reseller and wireless operator channels, and at the Palm online store (www.palm.com/store).

More information about Palm, Inc. is available at www.palm.com.

 

138 Comments

Will it *feature* dropped voice calls?

We'll be able to run multiple apps while dropping a call!

We're already able to run multiple apps while making calls. Do you think Palm will have it set up that people could surf the web while making calls though? Or perhaps even a Mobile Hotspot?

good to hear! no word on whether there'll be an unlocked option though ...

'coming months'...hmmmmm hopefully they will announce a more concrete time frame in the next day or two at CTIA.

Don't count on it.

@derek...you don't think any date information will be firmed up at CTIA? :( Are you and Dieter there?

Dieter and Phil are there. And no, I don't think we'll get any more info than what Palm has already released.

Either way, early adopters are ready for an upgrade. I patiently waited for this wonderful unit in my hand to come out, and I'm patiently waiting for 2ng Gen. Hook us up Mr. John Rubenstein, with some new hardware or just put webos on my Treo 755p and call it a Preo. I miss my hard keyboard buttons. make money with google

This is positive news for Palm. Maybe by the time it launches on ATT it will have more bugs worked out. Also i can't wait to hear about a new phone on Sprint. June is coming and I am ready to upgrade to the elan or c40 or whatever it will be called. Palm should leak some specs/stats on this thing to hush up all the gloom and doom it has been getting lately.

I agree. Palm on ATT is awesome. People will see how talk and suef multitasking should look like. Plus Palm can move some product. But it makes me think about the Palm fanatics such as myself who waited in line to pick one of these cool devices up. With a release of all the "old" units does that mean we won't see a new phone. The way I see it, if Palm is going to launch on another large network, arguably the best network, shouldn't they put out the mysterious c40? Which seems to be the encore to the Pre. IMO the Pre as it is today is the best competitor in terms of functionality, to the Iphone, but it would do Palm well to release the best and newest they have and not use this ATT launch to clear out inventory. That is what a Tmobile launch should be used for.

Either way, early adopters are ready for an upgrade. I patiently waited for this wonderful unit in my hand to come out, and I'm patiently waiting for 2ng Gen. Hook us up Mr. John Rubenstein, with some new hardware or just put webos on my Treo 755p and call it a Preo. I miss my hard keyboard buttons.

Talk +surf would be an upgrade. But not one I would pay an extra $20-$30 a month to have. I was with AT&T for 12 years before buying my Pre last August. I wouldn't stay for the iPhone and I wouldn't go back even if AT&T got a webOS phone in a Droid form factor.

"arguably the best network"... uh, you may be the only one arguing that.

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091201/att-ranked-last-in-consumer-reports-best-cell-phone-service-survey/

Other than the comment about AT&T being the "best network", you are bang on. They should release on AT&T with a 2nd generation device, and no, the Pre+ does not count.

I have wanted WebOS from the first time I saw the OS. I want it sooo badddd but I cannot make my self buy a phone only to be screwed with the fact it is a year old when in june I can buy a new peice of tech, the next gen iphone...

I come to this site every day hoping a NEW palm device is announced to be released on at&t...

Even the "year old Pre Plus" will out do the next gen IPhone as it will still NOT multitask. If I were currently an AT&T customer I would be the first to jump on the Pre Plus. Have my Pre from Sprint for almost a year now, and I still seems like the best technology and newest phone around.

Just my 2c.

I'm extremely worried about the sliding mechanism... My friend just got a pre from spring like 2 months ago it already seems rickety.

Yep. I have one from Verizon and it's definitely rinky-dink. I don't know what to say. It's a testament to the loyalty of Palm's costumers if they buy this phone knowing about the issues with the slider. I have to confess that I thought the it had been fixed as many people upon seeing it at CES said that the Pre+'s slider felt more solid. But no. It just takes about a week or two to get loose.

By the way, nothing scientific here or anything but I have noticed that it seemed to get worse every time I closed the slider with the USB charger plugged in. There's a noticeable catch just before it closes that I think is what causes it to be pried apart. Anyone else notice this? If I'm right, then this is even a more compelling reason to get a touchstone charger.

I have not had any problems with mine. I have had it since it came out. If I TRY to I can get it to wobble a little bit, but I have played with other slider phones and if I TRY I can get them to wobble a little bit too. Not saying there are not issues with some phones, but it is not ALL of them.

I got mine in July and I have to deliberately twist it to get the "oreo" effect. The slider is actually very sturdy, and I believe the twisting action is just part of the mechanism. I have dropped the phone on hard surfaces several times, I constantly slide it throughout the day, with and without the cord plugged in, and it's still sturdy and no different than when I first got it. I really wouldn't worry too much about build quality. Nobody I know with a Pre is bothered by it. I think that unless it's completely twisting in a full 45 degree angle or something, a minute amount of give is to be expected.

Sucks I paid $199 plus Mail In Rebate for the Palm Pre in June with less space an less memory.


Also I don't want a year old Pre on AT&T I want a new WebOs

What sucks?

You wanted to first to own so you were. That means paying the full freight. it's not like the cell phone pricing model is new. If you had been willing to wait 6 months you would have gotten a better deal.

And you would get the 6-month old Pre Plus on AT&T with double the memory and slightly revised hardware.

Imagine true multitasking, voice and data running simultaneously!

This is good news, but I was hoping palm would price the pre a little more aggressively. I know the plusses have only been around 2 mos, but the pre is very old from a mindshare perspective, and there is some stiff competition on that network. The last thing palm needs right now is another poor launch.

Good stuff. Maybe a deal with Rogers in Canada at some point? Go Palm Go!

Not necessarily Rogers, it can be Rogers, Bell or Telus now with all 3 running HSPA+ networks. If only Palm would sell this unlocked then I'd definitely consider switching my Bell CDMA Pre so I can use the Bell HSPA+ network.

Ah yes of course I forgot about that.

I work for Bell. You can't get a sim card without activating it in the store, and you can't activate your sim card on an unlocked phone that Bell does not sell.

To put this in perspective, if you come into the store with a BB 8520 with sim unlocked, you can not put it on Bell's network, because Bell sells the 8530, not the 8520. Yes, it is THAT gay, and yes, Telus is the same. It's not politics, its technology, their network doesn't support phones they don't sell.

Rogers is still the only HSPA+ network that will take ANY unlocked phone.

Misinformation there.

Telus and Bell CDMA phones are compatible, but because each of them have a whitelist of device ESN/MEIDs that they allow on the 1x/EV-DO network, they won't allow other devices (unlike Cricket or other carriers).

The 8520 doesn't work because it's a 2G device with GSM only. Bell and Telus's "3G Plus" network is only HSPA, hence the 8520 will not work. The 8530 is a CDMA device.

If you take any other phone with the proper 3G bands it will work. Lots of people use unlocked Rogers 3G phones on Bell/Telus HSPA. They sell SIM cards for $5/$10 respectively (but good luck getting them to sell you one).

I contacted Rogers recently / no plans on their part any time soon.

My thoughts: as soon as the PreCentral group gets a hold of an AT&T Pre, it won't be long until someone figures out how to unlock it.

I visited an AT&T kiosk recently and asked: they told me I would be able to purchase a Pre if I want (I have an AT&T pay as you go account).

So -- the hope: if these Pres can be unlocked, we should be able to get a hold of a GSM unit fairly easily (a drive across the border would be required). They should also (hopefully) have a warranty to cover any problems (would need another drive across the border).

One last note: even though this only uses North American 3G bands, it's still quad-band for standard GSM -- this means it will work pretty much everywhere around the world (likely not Japan).

Yes -- Go Palm!

Now if they would just come out with a Pixi on Sprint with Wifi capabilities, I would get one for my wife. Can't use the non-Wifi one as we don't get the best reception in the middle of the house (due to lots of air-conditioner ducts etc that act as a sort of radiant barrier), but Sprint works perfect everywhere else for us and is way cheaper. Got an Airave so not a problem, except on the Pixi....doh.

Wish there was a way to get the Pixi Plus (CDMA version) ported over to Sprint.

The Pre Plus within the next MONTHS?? That shouldn't be the Pre Plus, that should be a brand new, up-to-date and rock solid WebOS device? This is actually not going to help Palm, way to late!

They have to sell those 1 million phones that are in warehouses around the world some way.

1 million Verizon/CDMA phones would be worthless to AT&T

True, so lets build more phones...

Another reason why it was stupid to launch with CDMA. If those were GSM/UMTS they would've easily been repurposed for another carrier.

Now I KNOW that AT&T knows how to market a smartphone.
Bring on the ad campaign showing the Pre Plus on a phone call and surfing the web.

Ok admitted, that would actually help, even if it's not a new device. Go AT&T!

Don't count on really good ads from AT&T for these phones. After all, AT&T is still in bed with Apple, and the Pre (and webOS) is in direct competition with their flagship product. They don't want Apple mad at them for showing up the iPhone.

I expect the same treatment that Verizon gave the Pre (2nd fiddle to the Droid). In this case, the Pre will be given less priority than the iPhone. I wish that were not the case, but it's what I expect.

Don't forget, the new iPhone might not be exclusive anymore. That would change things.

AT&T are not necessarily happy with the deal they have with Apple. Palm may be offering them a higher cut of profits.

Actually just official, Apple selling iPhones direct unlocked.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/22/official-apple-now-offering-iphones-u...

I don't know about that; I have an iphone and can surf the web while on a call. I don't understand why everyone thinks that is a killer point.

Multitasking is (working on one app, and then toggling over to another) but when on the phone or on iTunes, it's not a differentiating factor.

"I don't know about that; I have an iphone and can surf the web while on a call. I don't understand why everyone thinks that is a killer point."

Really? You don't? I frequently am looking up stuff on my office computer while talking on a land-line or my Pre.

When does that restaurant close? Do they take reservations? What time is the next show if that movie? What was the address again?

It's not a deal killer, but the ability to talk and surf without wifi is hugely useful.

The people who are saying this is a year old device.. look at your device and what it could do a year ago as to what it is now. I agree the next phone needs rock solid build quality but to compare it to any other maker and look what you get. Palm upgrades the firmware/software constantly rendering buying a new phone useless pretty much. The only thing us sprint people need is that extra ram for the too many cards error. Once we all have enough resource to run webOS properly we will be set. Plus once devs pump out more apps and palm keeps those updates rolling. btw 1.4.1 sometime next week is what im hearing.

I agree to some degree, but you have to consider that new phones are far superior if you look at the hardware. I don't mean the build-quality, I mean the screen size (nowadays an x800 solution) and a lack of important hardware such as an autofocus camera and a compass. And there's more to it. They have to keep the software updates coming (video recording was good, but there's still a lot missing like autocorrect), but unfortunately that's not everything.

How many iPhone 3G's does AT&T sell? That's a 3 year old phone at this point. Why should a 1 year old Pre be a problem?

Because you just can't compare the Pre to the iPhone, you can't compare Palm to Apple in this competetion. The iPhone has its solid ground, the Pre does not. Compare it to Android, to new Android devices, to the Nexus One, the HTC Desire, etc.

Besides, the new iPhone will probably be released around June (no doubt, with new hardware/screen/processor/OS). If the Plus comes to AT&T within the next months, lets say May, I dont think it will be the success Palm needs. It's simply a too old device, too late respectively.

Yeah, that would be like comparing someone to Michael Jordan.

The iPhone 3G is two years old, not three.

And the iPhone 3Gs has only been out for as long as the Pre guys.

Reallly its not so much about how long a phone has been out. Its more about how much it "Wows" you when you get it in your hands and a sales person starts showing you what it can do. Lets get real here folks. The only way the Pre will do well on AT&T is if its marketed right and the sales people angle new costomers toward it in the first place.

Another big thing I'm worried about is that we all know the next iPhone is coming in June... Please tell me the Pre will have longer then a month before it has to compete with that beast! It just isn't fare. I'll bet the Verizon exclusive doesn't end till June either. The original Pre exclusive was only for 6 months too. Yep, this isn't really looking to good for Palm is it. I mean more carrieres is always better but I was hoping for a much sooner release.

by the way, has anyone here ever tried commenting here on their Pre? The text box is way to wide for it. Please make it smaller by default. Thanks.

If I go into AT&T with $250 I could walk away with a $199 16gb iPhone 3Gs and with $50 in accessories. No Rebate need..Palm should be like Apple and force no rebates at all.

Awful, Awful, Awful

It is ridiculous that this is coming to AT&T with rebates. Palm has got to learn that people hate MIR.

Nice news but prices are maybe too high for the future considering that in July new iphones are probably coming and so the 16 GB iphone would probably drop to 99$ like they did last year for the 8 GB iphone. Even today I fear that a 50$ difference on AT&T is not a lot to persuade people to buy a Pixi/Pre instead of an iPhone which for is so popular that for many people is like Coca-Cola for soft drinks.
At least they've realized that there must be at least a 100$ difference betweeen the Pixi and the Pre.
Anyway, good news for Palm!

I'm sure Verizon is thrilled with announcement about the Pluses being available on AT&T in "coming months". Aren't they in a heated marketing battle for customers with AT&T right now? Why would Palm announce this now? Are things going that badly with Verizon?

I walked into a Verizon store the other day looking for a stereo bluetooth headset for my Pre. I overheard several 'sales' (pun intended) conversations. Not one of the nitwits at the Verizon store knew anything about the Palm devices. Not one, and people asked about the phones! Every time they were diverted to something else!
If I were Palm, I'd sue Verizon. In good faith, Verizon can't say that they've put forth any effort whatsoever.

What was the pun?

The pun was that nothing that happened that day was anything close to a sales presentation. Sorry, it was my lame attempt at humor.

No problem. Just the quotes are fine in that instance. Or you can use air quotes when you are actually speaking but that's a little 1990's. A pun is more of a play on words for humorous effect like what local TV anchors do - "Next up the cat is out of the bag regarding secretly bringing small pets in airline carry-on luggage"

Verizon is pushing the droid over the palm pre plus. I went on decoy missions.. went into about 10 verizon stores cause my girl wants a new phone but doesn't like the pres keyboard or the pixi. I got her waiting for a new webOS phone. But anyway every sales guy i talked to when i played dumb would be like "oh this is the droid.. this thing is awesome. its our top seller" and then i would say "oh what about this palm pre" and they would always come back with some mumbo jumbo like "its a good phone but its not as....." for every employee i got a different bs answer. Then i would pull out my palm and tell them how wrong they are. but yeah this is every store i was in so far. to the average joe blow they are being swayed away from the palm pre.. so why even try if verizon is just going to put you in 3rd place every time a sale walks in.

That has been Palms biggest problem. Sprint employees did the same thing. How anyone could recomend a Hero over the Pre is just crazy. I think build quality from the start hurt Palm. Its not as bad as people make it sound, but the reputation of the phone was damaged. A new solid device with a bigger screen, would help.

My girlfriend has an iPhone but loves my Pre. She's tied to AT&T but is really looking forward to this and plans to pick one up when it's available... assuming we don't break-up before then.

...er, that confident in your relationship, are you.

I like her so much but she is gorgeous and could have anyone. I heard Kyle really likes her so I'm afraid she may leave me for him. And I think he has an iPhone so if she is with him, she'll probably stay with Apple. What can I do????

What? How old are you?

Too funny - stereotyping the shallowness of the iPhone crowd! (I'm assuming you're just joking)

I hope that now we can enable the voice and data running simultaneously for Sprint's Pre with a patch learning from the AT&T Pre OS.

Having voice and data simultaneously is a function of GSM. CDMA uses the same radio for both and therefore can only do one at a time. You can however, turn on WiFi and use data while talking on the phone.

Technicaly, from what I have read, they could do both at the same time on CDMA, it just would require internal changes in the way they process data and no one is willing to spend the money at this point. WiMax may fix this, but it doesnt look like Sprint is willing to make the nessisary changes at this point.

My Samsung SPH-A960 could do voice and data at the same time, on Sprint's service. It was disabled by default, but I found a setting after I got the MSL that would allow it. I tried it a few times, talking on the phone and having my computer start up a data session over bluetooth, worked alright, though the phone always got very warm from it. Kind of hoping someone finds a way for my Pre to do it.

It's UMTS that does simultaneous voice and data, not GSM. Won't work if you're out of 3G coverage.

It's not the OS that's the problem. It's the CDMA radio used for Sprint and Verizon that is physically incapable of simultaneous voice and data. If it were a simple patch job, we would have stolen it from the GSM Pre available on O2 months ago.

I hope that now we can enable the voice and data running simultaneously for Sprint's Pre with a patch learning from the AT&T Pre OS.

I actually sighed when I read this.

Don't be a troll, you keep posting the same message. The Pre can do data and voice simultaneously. It's CDMA that cannot. If you use wifi instead of cdma for data, the apps clearly continue to work even if you're on a call.

well there was a hack for another phone from sprint that did not had wifi and it enable it to do voice and data simultaneously.

He's not being a troll. It's a bug in webOS' browser.

If you post a comment and then stay on that page, and the page refreshes (often due to the refresh bug), it somehow posts your comment again and again.

Nearly every double post on P|C in the past year can be attributed to it.

Maybe this is one step closer to the Pre being available on Tmobile.

Palm: At this point in the game, rebates are NOT the way to go. They are a deal killer! Get it?
At this point in the game, the Touchstone dock should be included with every purchase. (especially if you're going to subject people to the rebate BS!)
At this point, you should have someone from Palm; not AT&T, not Sprint, and not Verizon, calling every new owner of one of your devices and walking them through the care and use of WebOS.
I know of two friends that were using about 15% of the capabilities of their phone because nobody besides me has shown them what the device is capable of.
Listen up: I believe it was Zig Zigler (maybe not)that said, "Marketing is not the same as selling. Marketing makes selling easier." The people that work at the stores that sell your product aren't salespeople, and couldn't sell their way out of a paper sack. Because they can't sell, you need to incent them in some way... give them a carrot, and educate them. Then they'll 'sell' your devices.

Palm: If you'd like me to take over your marketing department, I will. It'll cost you, though.

I think Palm on AT&T is going to be a success. Palm, I'm sure, is going to make Palm employees available in AT&T stores, as they began to do with Verizon, to show and tell all the WebOS has to offer. I think Palm's products would've been more successful on Sprint had it been done there as well. I just do not see how WebOS, something that many see as the best operating system for mobile phones, can fail. It's also going to be very interesting to see how how well the WebOS products fare when competing directly with the iPhone; this is going to be very interesting.

at&t rates suck they charge more for internet if you have a smartphone compared to non smartphones and the text plans are high to I came to sprint from them for the pre I'm well satisfied with sprint and love this phone. I wonder how they will advertise both the iphone and webos?

at&t rates suck they charge more for internet if you have a smartphone compared to non smartphones and the text plans are high to I came to sprint from them for the pre I'm well satisfied with sprint and love this phone. I wonder how they will advertise both the iphone and webos?

Sucks on multiple levels...

1. Pricing - already dirt cheap on other carriers.
2. The same phone again called Pre/Pixi Plus?
3. No new features. (If anything potentially less than other carriers)
4. Who wants a Pixi?
5. Whoopadady do...a blue backplate

When is Sprint going to get the "pluses"? Kind of lame that everyone is getting it except Sprint users.

at&t rates suck they charge more for internet if you have a smartphone compared to non smartphones and the text plans are high to I came to sprint from them for the pre I'm well satisfied with sprint and love this phone. I wonder how they will advertise both the iphone and webos?

I want that wallpaper. Anyone know where to get it?

I second that, I would also like them.

I too would be interested!

So with everyone else getting the "plus" models, is there any plan for us original Sprint customers to get upgraded to the "plus"?? I like my Pre, but would like the extra memory offered on the "plus" models. Or even better how about the next "Sprint" model be called "Pre SD" & Pixi SD" and incorporate an SD(micro or mini) memory slot. Allowing for even more memory and even easier drag and drop of music etc...

me too. Mine is in for repair right now (BestBuy's replacement plan) and I hope they send it back with an extra stick of RAM and another SSD to make up for my inconvenience! In other news the Easter Bunny is real and is will be here in two weeks.

at&t rates suck they charge more for internet if you have a smartphone compared to non smartphones and the text plans are high to I came to sprint from them for the pre I'm well satisfied with sprint and love this phone. I wonder how they will advertise both the iphone and webos?

Palm could eliminate its huge inventory backlog while simultaneously increasing mind/market share by releasing the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus for FREE with a two-year contract. As much as I love my Pre Plus, I wouldn't pay full price for it.

Palm should couple this move with a stunning new device that doesn't suffer from the well-documented Pre/Pre Plus hardware deficiencies and runs a newer version of WebOS. Smart, targeted advertising by AT&T of both old and new devices could boost sales significantly.

"AT&T Whisper Service, which will automatically log the phones into AT&T WiFi hotspots when they are available."

You mean WiFi is on constantly? Won't that drain the battery faster? I only turn on my WiFi when I am in a network I now of. Mainly, my own.

Great point!

That was something that really surprised me about the Pre when I got it. My wife's iPhone has the wifi enabled all the time with no ovious negative impact on battery life. As soon as she walks in the door of our home it connects to the wifi network.

I have AT&T and have been waiting on a WebOS option for the past year. Ideally I could get an unlocked one and simply drop my SIM in the back. I like the option when traveling overseas to be able to buy a local carrier SIM card and simply drop it in. With a locked phone....can't do.

Regarding rebates - in the past I'd heard/seen advice to buy from Best Buy or The Shack as they don't have the rebates. Is that still the case?

Oh, and someone mentions dropped calls - I am currently using a BB9700 and have two or three dropped calls a week. This is the first time ever I've had dropped calls and I've used about 4 or 5 different phones in my lifetime. I'm no detective but it seems the reason for this is my hardware not my network.

I don't think your hardware is the problem.

I recently abandoned my iPhone 3G in favor of a Verizon Pre Plus because of the frustratingly high number of dropped calls and poor reception that I experienced on AT&T. The last straw for me occurred when I couldn't complete a call in the center of South Station--Boston's busiest train station--despite having full bars.

Not only does AT&T have terrible voice quality and reception in most metropolitan areas that I've visited, but their 3G coverage is wildly inconsistent. I love the Pre Plus on Verizon and wouldn't switch back to AT&T.

PS: If you're still thinking of buying the Pre Plus from AT&T, check out Amazon Wireless. I purchased my Pre Plus a few weeks ago for $49.99 with free activation.

Do we really have over 2000 downloadable apps? I wouldn't think that Palm would count homebrew apps.

1902 in the App Catalog and 231 in the Web Distribution App Gallery = 2133

Where are you that you see 1902 apps in the App Cat? I'm on a Refurb Sprint Pre in Boston, MA and I only see 1772.

What is also possible is that Palm is projecting that by the time of launch they will have crossed the 2000 app mark.

Although, if they were counting Homebrew that would be insanely cool.

I laugh at all the people telling Palm how they should run their business. Their executives extremely smart people and I'm sure they have many ideas how to boost their sales.

Extremely smart? You mean like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSMj5RoYdEI

LOL - good one. Sigh, we can't blame this entire mess on creepy girl and the marketing behind that, but ouch watching those again just makes me shake my head. I love my Pre. What were they thinking.

It should be no surprise that AT&T is getting the Palm Pre Plus and not a newer phone/model from Palm. For the most part Palm has always rolled out new phones to Sprint first i.e. Palm Pre and then would follow with all other carriers. There is no exeption here, so when Palm is ready to release their new phone in the 3rd quarter (hopefully) it will come to Sprint first and then we will start the cycle all over again. This is why I stay with Sprint.

And yes, Palm please make a phone with better hardware, faster processor, more memory, and a bigger screen! The software is outstanding! Thank you

I hope you're right, Cmacnificent. I really want to see the Pre 2 soon ... even just an announcement would help a lot.

hello, this isn't the place for this comment but I cant find my answer anywhere in the forums, i have recently doctored my wifes pre, she has no apps on it and NO apps, I have added 1 GB of music and her hard drive is totally full! I have deleted every picture, video, attachment, dcim, everything and still no room, please help, she wants to be able to have more than 1 GB of music, thank you! Actually she had SpeedBrain and Preware installed but that is it, thanks again

Is your name Kervorkian? I'd download the latest version of WebOS doctor and start from scratch. You can get it here: http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/deviceselector...

If you used newest version of webOS Doctor, it leaves everything you had on the phone...and just restores webOS 1.4 files back to prestien condition. In order to completely wipe your storage clean do the following:
Launcher -> Device Info -> Reset Options -> Full Erase!

...make sure to save important things beforehand: i.e. photos, etc.

Thank You! I guess that was pretty obvious, will I need to Dr it after wards or when I reboot after will everything pop up again, I bet it will. Amazing that the prior poster"clarkmc" was so ignorant and rude.
Thanks Again

AT&T has the iPhone. Why would they want webOS? Why do they care? I think T-Mobile would have been a better choice- the only "hot" phone they have is the Nexus One, and it's not in T-Mobile Stores- it's only in Google online phone store. I know a few T-Mobile people who'd love a Pixi...

btw, anyone know where I could get the wallpaper from the picture in the post?

I think Palm should have launched the Pre with ATT in the first place to really show the IPhone up with WebOS true multitasking not that IPhone shit

ATT has the iPhone because Verizon would not cave to the branding (having iPhones branded with Verizon) and Verizon wanted wanted into the internals. Apple wouldn't do it. Of Sprint and T-Mobile ATT had the better subscriber base and coverage.

Anyway Blackberrys far outsell iPhones and IMO are better phones in the business class and Droid wasn't around. Apple seemed to focus more on the consumer market and are just now catching up to BB. Although I like WebOS it lacks as a phone in comparison with Blackberry. All phones should have Voice Dialing, Voice notes etc. Even dumb phones have it. As a sysadmin I'd go back to Blackberry for a terminal app (Midssh) and certainly hope the terminal app and comes back online. That whole no notification of calls (no ring, no notification in 1.4) has got to be fixed. Hopefully Palm/Developer community can get some sftp, terminal apps going rather than focusing more on gaming. Man I miss MidSSH.

I for one am getting a little ticked off at palm for keeping us sprint users in the dark for a newer device. Verizon gets Plus fine, now at&t and the overseas french company?

The webos 1.4 upgrade has brought nothing but pain for me. Im getting way more dropped calls. Lagging on the phone screen. Unable to answer calls due to the lag. And my evdo connection (even thoe the icon is there) is not working at all 60% of the time. I need to reboot my phone for it to work (just to let you know, im not using wifi at all; this just happens). This is unacceptable. I've doctored, ive reset. Nothing seems to fix it. Just yesterday I was in the middle of a call, and my hole phone just dropped to Offline. I'll even have minutes go buy were I see NO sprint logo in the top left (when in roaming? new feature?). Im just :( on 1.4 at this time. These arn't signal issus becuase full bars are there most of the time.

Im actually in the process of going back to 1.3.5.1 since these issues wern't there. Thats my only hope.

If it doesn't fix it, I can only hope its a hardware issue with my phone.

I dont' know about anyone else but the nexus one on sprint news is looking mighty enticing.

...i think you actually have a hardware glitch man. I know it happened after the 1.4 install but that was mere coincidence.

The only issue I'm having with it is the lack of pinch zoom on the PDF Viewer app and random volume indicators showing up every once in a while. Other than that it works great.

One thing lost in all that is going on with Palm is the release of Flash 10.1. I bet if Palm could get Adobe to roll out Flash to WebOS, that would bring a big marketing push via TV, Social Media, Blog/News sites, etc. IMO it seems it is taking a long time to roll out Flash seeing that we are just one quarter left in the 1st half of 2010. Bring on the Flash and people will come!!

Great news. Now just bring it to the UK, France, Canada, Mexico etc

I think this is great news...and so do (even though they suck a$$) people on Wall Street - as Palm's stock are on the positive side. If they can get AT&T to market their products efficiently w/ knowledgable reps & advertising then things could be on the up-track for Palm. When non-at&t customers see cool Pre/Pixi commercials from AT&T, they'd be more likely to check w/ their carriers to see if they carry them. If so then a more than likely webOS sale will be achieved. Marketing will help Palm in this way whether it come from Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, and Tmobile...and Palm themselves. We as webOS customers just need to back Palm especially now. Yes, many are unhappy w/ hardware and advertising strategy...but why is Palm not able to go through the 'live & learn' trials that we get too? Of course they're all educated business/maketing/computer/etc...but nobodys perfect. Let them do their thing!

I suspect the following:

(1) Sprint will not get the + versions because we'll be the first to get webOS' 2nd gen device...this year!

(2) A webOS update will be released within two weeks that will fix bugs, delete certain core apps, and revamp the App Catelog.

(3) Palm will team up w/ Adobe to announce the [RELEASE] of Flash Beta for all webOS customers.

(4) Palm will begin "Project Jumpstart" w/ AT&T to avoid another Verizon mistake.

(5) Release of emersive PDK apps...not only for gamers, but business folks alike.

...it aint over unless Palm says it's over and I'll be behind them 100%.

Regarding a new Sprint device...

I think this news means we won't see it in July. Looks likely for the holidays... 9 more months!

Oh well. I can't upgrade for another year and a half anyways.

I'm glad to see that WebOS is going to yet another carrier, hopefully that will keep Palm afloat for awhile longer and enable them to continue down the path with this fabulous OS. Now, with that said I think that it's too little too late, the Pre&Pixi Plus phones are old news at this point in the game, especially with so many newere, higher powered devices on the horizon. I don't think that Palm will be able to sell these phones as much as they hope to, and it will just be another flop for them, especially with no marketing and clueless salespeople.

If Palm were smart they would drop the Pre+ to 49.99 w/o MIR on 2 yr contract and Pixi+ to FREE w/o MIR on 2 yr contractn. This would help them move the phones quickly and clear their huge inventory. They also need to focus on a more aggressive marketing campaign as NONE of the carriers have done this for them. Rubinstein and co. may have ideas, and may be smart but they haven't shown that with the route they've been going. And what is Rubinsteins background anyways? Wasn't he just a head of development? How the hell does that qualify to lead a company like Palm out of the fire pit?

Lastly, Palm needs to seriously release a new device quickly, something that competes or surpasses all new gen devices coming out. This will save them from the vultures circling.

I want an unlocked phone... but this may do.

I fear, that if we buy it unlocked, at&t may change our data plans.
Have you read on HoFo how Nexus 1 users or casual iPhone users have had their data plans switched to PDA plans???

I wonder if such a tactic will be used for a phone that is available on at&t.

*Finally... (but where is the unlocked version?

I'm glad to see that WebOS is going to yet another carrier, hopefully that will keep Palm afloat for awhile longer and enable them to continue down the path with this fabulous OS. Now, with that said I think that it's too little too late, the Pre&Pixi Plus phones are old news at this point in the game, especially with so many newere, higher powered devices on the horizon. I don't think that Palm will be able to sell these phones as much as they hope to, and it will just be another flop for them, especially with no marketing and clueless salespeople.

If Palm were smart they would drop the Pre+ to 49.99 w/o MIR on 2 yr contract and Pixi+ to FREE w/o MIR on 2 yr contractn. This would help them move the phones quickly and clear their huge inventory. They also need to focus on a more aggressive marketing campaign as NONE of the carriers have done this for them. Rubinstein and co. may have ideas, and may be smart but they haven't shown that with the route they've been going. And what is Rubinsteins background anyways? Wasn't he just a head of development? How the hell does that qualify to lead a company like Palm out of the fire pit?

Lastly, Palm needs to seriously release a new device quickly, something that competes or surpasses all new gen devices coming out. This will save them from the vultures circling.

...and fix the double post issue.

There isn't going to be a new phone because palm is going out of business

I think I'm gonna just switch to iPhone

Bye

Good job marketing pawn.

You want the iphone because it's SHINY. Look at how SHINY it is. You want SHINY. Don't buy a phone unless lots of people buy the same one. You want the popular one or you will cry. You will be very lonely and cry.

No I want one because my palm sux ass

When is palm going to break out the big guns and start using Bono in the marketing campaign?

A commerical with bono using 3 different calendars (U2, Elevation, family), recording a show etc.... all from around the world.

They're broke so they can't pay Bono

it's good that they coming to more carriers...i think that when they do sell it on at&t...palm should also sell them unlocked to rest of world themselves and 4get bout 'middle men carriers'..as far as backed up inventory for cdma version of pluses..they should switch out verizon bands/reprogram to sprint and re-launch plus models on sprint..assuming no new device coming out soon..or sell it from their own store to sprint customers and dev..i kno I would buy it straight from them if they do not offer new hardware for sprint...they could sell off original pres as dev phones for low price directly..or recycle them...??

it's good that they coming to more carriers...i think that when they do sell it on at&t...palm should also sell them unlocked to rest of world themselves and 4get bout 'middle men carriers'..as far as backed up inventory for cdma version of pluses..they should switch out verizon bands/reprogram to sprint and re-launch plus models on sprint..assuming no new device coming out soon..or sell it from their own store to sprint customers and dev..i kno I would buy it straight from them if they do not offer new hardware for sprint...they could sell off original pres as dev phones for low price directly..or recycle them...??

"Palm to Showcase Pre Plus and Pixi Plus at CTIA Wireless"

Really? 1.5 year old hardware is being 'showcased'?? Fail.

As much as i hate AT&T it will and should be good for Palm...


But AT&T is an evil empire of death and destruction... I should know I use to work for them and the things they had us do to customers was horrible...

What's up with the little baby screen? The slider? The baby keyboard??????
Why can't palm go fully touchscreen? You need baby fingers or girl fingernails to type....

Did you not realize the size of your phone when you bought it, or did your phone shrink?

All you have to do is buy the phone at BEST BUY and you can get the phones for the advertised price.. Best buy doesnt do rebates they have striaght foward pricing..