Pre Plus and Pixi Plus review round-up 42
If you were to ask us who has the best reviews of the new Palm Pre Plus and Palm Pixi Plus on Verizon, we’d probably tell you that there is no such thing as the “best” review (even though we trust you're fond of what can be found here at PreCentral). So even though we do have reviews of the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus on this awesome site (there’s that hubris again), it’s always worth looking at what others thought. At least, those others who lucky enough to get their hands on the hot new handsets before their release next week. Those thoughts are all waiting after the break.
Bonnie Cha, CNET:
So what exactly makes the smartphone earn the Plus at the end of its name? Well, for starters, the Palm Pre Plus offers double the Flash memory, bringing it up to 16GB with about 15GB available to the user. Though we'd still love to have expandable memory, we think this should be enough to satisfy the needs of most people. Also, while Palm isn't releasing specific details, it did confirm that the Pre Plus has double the RAM, paving the way for running more apps and speedier performance.
David Pogue, The New York Times:
I can’t fathom why the Pre and the Pixi haven’t proved to be more popular. The polish and panache of both phones are phenomenal. ... In any case, these phones are better than ever. Not as flashy and app-blessed as the iPhone; not as open and tricked out as Android phones like the Droid and Google’s Nexus One; but for nontechies, they’re elegant, polished and very satisfying. After so much time has passed, putting my paws again on these Palms gave me a new appreciation for their appearance, power and price. The Plus part gives them the power of productivity that precious few phones possess.
Joshua Topolsky, Engadget:
Problems aside, going back to webOS after some time apart reminded us of what a truly elegant and revolutionary smartphone platform this is. Sure, there are those lingering issues, but webOS is also a tremendous mobile operating system which allows you to handle lots of little tasks at once, and doesn't buckle under what we consider to be a tremendous amount of pressure. Even when running ten cards or more, the Pre Plus still felt snappy and usable, and made us remember just how much fun -- and useful -- webOS can be. Android and the iPhone OS may have their killer features, but neither one of them can handle multitasking like the Pre and Pixi -- and while the latter isn't as fast as we would like it to be, both phones still perform admirably with a lot of balls in the air. This is a powerful and creative mobile OS with tons of potential, and it seems like Palm is just starting to tap into that.
Jason Chen, Gizmodo:
So yes, it's called the Palm Pre Plus for a reason. And it lets Verizon customers get in on the web OS action while staying on their preferred network—which is a good thing, and actually a decent move for Palm. Rather than try to suck more money off the same group of potential customers (Sprint users) with a phone that will be a bit better but not all that different, Palm went ahead and repackaged the same phone with slight modifications to a new sea of potential users. I suspect that this strategy will grant Palm more return on their initial webOS/Palm Pre investment, justifying the production of an entirely new phone that catches up to both the Nexus One and the upcoming iPhone 4. For Palm's sake, it better.
Eric Zeman, Information Week:
I've spent the last few days using both the Palm Pre Plus and Pixi Plus. These new Verizon-branded versions of Palm's two webOS smartphones are solid devices, but each lacks a few things here and there. ... Perhaps the biggest disappointment is that the [Pre Plus] doesn't perform any better than the original. I found the device to be sluggish in every application, screen or menu. It just took forever to respond to input. Applications -- especially email -- took ages to launch. ... Despite the weaknesses of these two devices, I expect they will sell pretty well on Verizon's network. Even so, Palm needs to get some some new hardware out in the market, and soon.
Sascha Segan, PC Magazine:
With two Droids, two Palms, and all the Blackberrys they can eat, Verizon subscribers can't whine about their smartphone choices any more. The Palm Pre doesn't "kill" the Motorola Droid. It presents a cuddlier alternate reality, where color and feel win out over widgets and apps. If you're into messaging and Web browsing on Verizon, and it seems like the Droid is a little too geeky for you, it's time to retire that old BlackBerry Pearl and move on up to a Palm Pre Plus.
Ginny Mies, PC World:
Verizon customers looking for a smaller and less expensive alternative to the Motorola Droid will be pleased with the Pre Plus. The hardware improvements and future software upgrades should boost its appeal--especially among the latest crop of Android phones. I still believe, however, that Palm should rethink the keyboard. A phone so well-connected to social networks and messaging applications simply deserves better.
Jon Fortt, Fortune:
Palm seems to have made a calculated decision to target BlackBerry users and folks who loved the original Palm Treo, so the screen has to shrink to make room for a keyboard. I get that. And I get that there are a lot of people who refuse to even look at a smartphone that doesn’t have a keyboard. But I still think Palm needs to bring us a phone with a nice big touchscreen, and soon. Mainstream consumers are getting more comfortable with on-screen keyboards by the day – and I would argue that cutting-edge mobile apps like 3D games, navigation services and video need the screen real estate. Until now, Palm has had a first-rate mobile operating system hidden behind small-screen phones on Sprint’s network. The Pixi Plus and Pre Plus address the network issue. Now it’s time to really upgrade the hardware.
Lisa Gade, Mobile Tech Review:
Both the Palm Pre Plus and the Palm Pixi Plus are fun, modern and enjoyable smartphones. Combined with Verizon's strong network and EV-DO Rev. A fast data, these phones are definitely worth a good, long look. Palm's webOS is capable and multi-tasks well, but we'd say its simple and non-customizable UI is best suited to smartphone novices and those who don't want to spend hours, days or weeks customizing their smartphone. If you're a power user who likes to tweak and have a customizable desktop, or craves a higher resolution display to better view web pages and MS Office documents, Verizon's Droid duo and their HTC Windows Mobile phones might be a better choice. But then, it's great to have choice, isn't it? And between the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus, if you can afford the $50 additional, you know which we'd pick.
Mark Spoonauer, Laptop Magazine:
When you look at Verizon’s smart phone lineup there are plenty of compelling choices, ranging from the $99 BlackBerry Tour and Droid Eris to the $199 Motorola Droid. The $149 Pre Plus sits in the middle of that price spectrum, giving potential buyers a better browser than the Tour and a multitouch display. The Eris has a cool interface and runs more apps than the Pre Plus but lacks its phsyical keyboard and innovative Mobile HotSpot feature. And on the high end the Motorola Droid offers more speed than the Pre Plus and a bigger screen. So the Pre Plus is basically a good value, even though we wish it had more horsepower. And this smart phone will get even better once webOS 1.4 rolls out next month, which will offer welcome features like video recording and full Flash support.
Vincent Nguyen, SlashGear:
Is the Verizon Pre Plus a must-have upgrade? For existing Pre owners, probably not, thanks to incremental rather than revolutionary changes. Those who’ve considered a Pre – or webOS – but been put off by the keyboard feel or the limited storage, however, should definitely take a look at the Pre Plus. Our typing felt faster and we had fewer concerns about side loading reasonable catalogs of music onto the smartphone. Lastly, webOS is faster and more responsive thanks to the extra RAM doesn’t hurt either.



















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Thank you...I'm still convinced this (Pre Plus) is the phone I need! As Three Dog Night once sang...Monday's a comin'....
I'M STICKING WITH THE ORIGINAL PALM PRE, THEIR ARE PLENTY OF APP'S NOW, AND WITH WEBOS 1.4 COMING SOON:-) AND HOPEFULLY AN ON SCREEN KEYBOARD IT WILL HAVE EVERTHING YOU NEED!
Necessary?
I don't know why people love those onscreen keyboards so much. I hate them, and always have. For me, that and graffiti were the weak points of the original Palm PDAs. That's the main reason I avoided the iPhone and stuck with Treos until the Pre came out. But, Palm could do well to take note and consider releasing an iPhone/Droid-like phone with a decent onscreen keyboard and larger screen for people like that. They might sell a few! And it would hearken back to the good old days of Palm when they had 3 devices to suit 3 demographics (Palm III, Palm V, and Palm VII).
Agree, Palm has said that they want a small family of products, they have the slide out and the always there keyboard one, with the larger screen w/ virtual keyboard one I think the family will be complete.
I'm with you. I carried around an HTC Hero over the fall and while I loved the customization ability I simply hated typing on the onscreen keyboard. That phone even has tactile feedback but it still didn't satisfy me. Long live the physical QWERTY keyboard.
I hate when they say the pre isn't customizable. I think i've customized the hell out of my phone...
Out of the box they mean.
But to be fair, the iPhone is no more customizable. But its hardly brought up in reviews.
No surprise really. Apple can do no wrong haha.
+1
with patches, themes etc, you can tweak the heck out of your Pre, but the media loves Apple
i guess i know what they mean, but they the underlying themes is that Techies won't like the pre because it's uncustomizable, when in fact, the techies are the ones behind making this phone so customizable...
alot of the reviews just seem misleading...
Great round up. Seriously good stuff about the phone.
I agree with Pouge...how this phone isn't burning up the Sprint charts confuses me.
But maybe Verizon subscribers will change that.
It is called poor marketing!... If I didnt know better I wouldnt have gone for the pre, None of their Ads made me want to buy it AT ALL! they would actually do quite the opposite Not make me want to buy it (except for the last Pixi one which was OK). One thing apple does good and is that, Marketing, they make their products so appealing in people's mind that even knowing that they cost much more for not that much really, also knowing there are much better products on the market it is still tempting to go get one. I think that's the trick Palm need to learn.
You're right. Jon Rubinstein is an engineer and you can see it in the Palm Pre. He is not a marketer, and you can see it in the advertising. So far, no one at Palm has a clue about marketing. Sad!
That guy from Information Week needs to watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk
I swear, that guy is either paid by Apple's PR department, or he lied and never even picked up a Pre for more than a few seconds. I read crap like that on Gizmodo (Apple's big interactive advertisement experiment) all the time...some guy will say "I can't run more than one app at a time", then I look down at my Pre (and it's an early release, rocking Preware, fully updated) running Pandora, Google maps, email, the phone app, and usually a browser window somewhere in there. I flip back and forth with only minimal lag, and I think "what the hell did that guy do to HIS phone?". Then I wised up and realized that those guys were LYING.
Yea I blew the mind of one of my iPhone buddies yesterday. We were out walking and I had Fittrack and music player going. All the while texting and checking my e-mail. Whitout having to switch between programs. At least he got to listen to his music. He had to point out he could surf the internet and talk at the same time. Let me see you do that? Ive never seen anyone surf the internet with their ear. I showed him I could do it too, at home. I didnt tell him about the Wifi. LOL
A review like that from Eric Zeman is an embarrassment to "Information Week". It is unethical and a shame to the publication!
I am just so sad that again Palm releases a phone prior to a software update that helps it perform at its peak. They should have had 1.4 out before these people got their units to review.
Just like people were mad with the performance of the Pixi pre-launch they are not happy about the snappy-ness of apps opening which 1.4 I think was supposed to improve.
What palm should do is add a link to precentral on the browser and add preware stock.
Lets see them say "non-customizable" after that lol
My neice got a Moto Droid for Christmas. I played with it a little. While it is smoking fast, its just not that usable. Yes you can customize it, but its realy not worth the time.
If Verizon will push this phone, it could take off. Blackberry isnt realy even on the same level as Palm.
While I cant imagine living without Web OS, it just becomes a part of you, I agree that hardware upgrades are needed. It seems like every time I try to show off my phone, the battery is dead or it locks up. Its still the best phone availible anywere.
I was just on the Verizon Wireless web site and they have the Palm Pre Plus accessories posted already. The 25th can't come soon enough!
That's a good sign... and a good find! How did you find it? After reading your post, I tried and was unsuccessful, then I used the search window and found the wall charger and at least one other item.
I guess they are inputting info and uploading it to their store as we speak?
PAAAAAAALM!!! When are you going to release the GSM PREEEEEE PLUSSSSSS???!!!!
Lol...I miss those Pre youtube videos. Palm should have hired that guy to do the commercials, instead of the scary lady.
+1
good one :-)
"The Eris has a cool interface and runs more apps than the Pre Plus"
Really? I love when people post stuff that just isn't true.
The Treo Pro running WinMo disappeared from Palm.com (still available through Sprint), is Palm making room for that Palm C40 that pops up ever so often in Sprints systems logs?
What I find interesting are all the comments concerning how much faster all these other phones are... This should be a big hint to Palm that the GPU and CPU working together would solve a lot of issues. I guess that's what keeps me most excited about the Pre... All the untapped potential it still has!
HTC Hero was slower than a stock PRE on 1.2 when I checked it at the store. I doubt Eris is any better since it is still on ARM11 at 520 MHz compared to PRE with Cortex A8 at 500 MHz. PRE was faster than Samsung moment too which runs at 800 MHz.
Eric Zeman sounds like a real tool. Is he serious? He found the Pre to be sluggish in every application?!?!?! I got the Pre on launch day last year, some build quality issues aside I LOVED IT! Unfortunately Sprint service around my home was nonexistent so I went to Verizon. I will be the first to say I HATE VERIZON simply because the nickel and dime you to death. Luckily I went on my girlfriends contract and she gets a great discount through work. I bought the Droid and it was not a bad phone at all. When I saw the Pre Plus was coming at CES I sold my Droid on Ebay this Monday and I am using her old Voyager. I will be buying the Pre Plus as soon as it is available online...I mean the very second! Now that I have heard that Palm has fixed the slider issue I cannot wait! But back to my original statement, Mr. Zeman you are either A. the most impatient person in the world or, B. A flat out liar. The only other thing I can think of is that you have a defective model, or you have 70 cards open at once.
It hasn't taken off, because the phone interface and battery life sucks! In addition, I don't have the same great programs I had on the old OS. I had a 650 and 755p, both of these phones were great as phones, organizers and software platforms. I was soooo stoked about the pre, but the reality is it just does not perform as well as the 755p and the software is just retarded. Who decided to call it universal search, but you can't search last name, first name and company and/or notes at the same time? The 755 did. It's now January, I bought the phone in June and I still can't sync my Splash ID - yeah just try living without this app after 4 years. The Palm emulator software was so weak, I removed it months ago and so regret spending the $30. I could watch .wmv files with third party software on the 755, but I cant on the pre. The built in alarm clock does not always turn on when you change the settings. People are still posting stop watch programs that don't wake the phone up! The phone interface is inconsistent, depending on the carrier of cell phone calling you; email takes forever to pull up, etc. etc. I'm all for the new os platform, but and I have been a loyal palm since I bought a handspring for my wife; but lets be honest among ourselves, if you are not disappointed in the pre or pre plus compared to the 755p, you just don't want to admit you were taken in by all the hype (guilty as charged - I stood in line first and bought two).
I used a Treo 755p for nearly 3 years. (I also had a Zire and an m105.)
I have the Palm Pre. I am not very disappointed with it.
I admit, it has its issues -- and I wish it did things that my Treo used to do. But not to the point that I hate the Pre phone interface or battery life or think it's "retarded".
Most people who buy smartphones today aren't lifelong Palm PDA users, or even longtime smartphone users. We are in a very, very small market segment. And that segment (not to mention the public at large) was no longer buying what Palm was selling -- the products that you loved so much. To expect a company that basically starts over from scratch to meticulously duplicate everything its old products used to have is like complaining that the your 2010 Ford Taurus doesn't have a tape deck like your 1993 Ford Taurus did.
I don't want to harp on majority opinion too much, so I'll just give you mine: while I miss some of the functionality of my Treo, none of what the Palm Treo had outweighs having real Internet, instant messaging, Synergy, cloud syncing, POWERFUL apps like Pandora and Sprint Navigation for free, real graphics, lots of internal storage, and the ease of use of webOS.
I'm sorry you feel like you've been had. Not every longtime Palm user feels the same way.
I love my 755p. I still consider it as the best phone available... mainly because of its unmatched reception and durability. But webOS is so ridiculously amazing, I can live with the temporary holes. And there really aren't a lot, IMO.
The ONLY thing I think Palm needs to do is get the microphone APIs out. That's it.
After that, things will start flying. I have been screaming that things would fly with Rubenstein in charge, ever since hearing him on the first Engadget Show. The d00d said exactly what everyone wanted and needed to hear. He built a foundation and said they wouldn't stop developing the software. Look at how much they have accomplished in 7 months. It's pretty amazing if you ask me. And now that the big stuff is outta the way (EXCLUDING MICROPHONE APIs)... things will start flying. I'm a prophet of sorts. ;)
Palm's going BIG places. Especially if they can get the MICROPHONE APIs for voice recording, call recording, voip, and apps like Shazam out quickly. Releasing the Mic APIs is such a simple task that provides A TON of opportunity. I do not consider the webOS foundation laid until the Mic APIs come. At that instant, I'll say it's legitimate in every way that really matters... and it will become the greatest phone in the world!
But yea, as I was saying..... there's a pretty decent case on Amazon for $3, but you don't get to use the Touchstone with it. :( I think that security > efficiency, so I'll take the case and then it solves my durability problem. And I might roam on Sprint a tad bit longer than the 755p, but roaming on Verizon [and every other CDMA carrier] is free... so it's really not too terribly bad in order to have webOS and a gorgeous screen with popout vertical keyboard.
Praise Gawd for Jon Rubenstein!
There are numerous errors in the reviews, but that is to be expected.
1) The Pre+/Pixi+ is not faster than the Pre/Pixi, the OS and CPU's are exactly the same as before.
3) Adding more RAM does not make the Pre/Pixi any faster, unless you are running out of RAM because of running too many apps at once.
4) The Motorola Droid is not faster than the Pre/Pre+, they use the exact same CPU. Although apps do launch faster on the Droid.
5) The Pre/Pixi is just as customizable as Android phones.
6) The reviewer complaining about launch times is exaggerating or has some kind of serious problem with his unit.
I'm a long term Palm PDA and treo user, I think I have the same annoyance for the Pre is not a "good product " in keeping the old PALM OS user.
The very first time I was playing with Pre's schedule, To do, Memo, contact. I was to the hell disappointed and immediately wanted to switch to Android phone. If the most daily program I was using was not performed good, why should I stay?
although I think webOS is tremedous, I don't think it will appeal to the old palmOS user for the above reason. Now when it come to schedule my work, write a memo, plan a task, I am bothered by the clumsy application. Compare with the synegy, the inconvenience outrage the benefit. I mean for practical uses. So I think palm is not trying to keep the loyal customer but attract the new smartphone user who have never that slap using experience.
You're right about the memo app, at minimum.
That app is trash and needs to be thrown there IMMEDIATELY. The PalmOS Memo app was ridiculously powerful for being so simple. Now we have colored post-it notes?!? Gimme a break.
Colored post-it notes are for ninnies.
My memos aren't something I want stored on a non-Palm server, and I don't feel like such a simple task should be handled by anyone besides Palm anyway. IT'S TOO SIMPLE. Put it back like it was, Jon!!!
Whatever happened to the concept of a customizable home screen for web OS that is a card? Heard about it then it kind of faded away.
I would just be happy if they would just have an option to AUTOMATICALLY ALPHABETIZE the damn icons on the launcher screens.
Options?!? Who the heck wants those???
I personally like the idea of categories a la palmOS (patch for that in Preware :])... but with a feature that automatically places your most used apps [for, say, 1 week or so??], at at the top.
But then things could always be moving. Dunno... but options are good. :)
I totally agree. I want:
* Unlimited launcher pages
* Launcher pages that are named (by me) (categories)
* Auto alphabetizing
* An easy way to click on an icon and move it to a page without dragging it for 10 minutes
Sounds a lot like the PalmOS interface, doesn't it?
Tonylawca you should get Pocketmirror. It now syncs everything, notes, memos, calendar, everything.
And all over wifi.
I am an old Palm OS user, and I too was frustrated, but Pocketmirror fixes all that, and I know you have to pay for it, but it's worth every penny, really.
You can get an Android phone if you want, they are good phones, but if the only thing that's holding you back is sycing memos and tasks, then please try Pocketmirror and enjoy all the webos glory.
dont care about the extra storage space but the ram makes me mad sprint better have something good in a couple months or goodbye sprint hello verizon