Pre Plus receives European certification 57
Sat, 13 Feb 2010 6:54 pm EST 
Not that long after the Palm Pre Plus and Pixi Plus launched on Verizon here in the states, the folks over at WinFuture.de have uncovered certifications for the handset in Europe. TÜV Rheinland, a German firm that handles wireless certifications in Europe, had in its hands a product from Palm that may ring some bells: the P101EWW. Otherwise known as the Palm Pre Plus. According to TÜV Rheinland’s certification page, the P101EWW (or in GSM parlance, the P101UNA), cleared their standards back on 12 November, 2009. As WinFuture noted, O2 recently reduced the price of the Palm Pre on their network. Whether this is a move to clear stock in anticipation of the arrival of the Pre Plus on their network, to attract more customers before the newer phone arrives on a competitor’s network (FYI, O2 does not operate in France where SFR will be getting the Pre), or simply a natural progression of dropping technology costs and slackened demand is unclear.
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First post! =)
We're so happy for you.
Thanks Derek! =)
(wipes the drool off HondaCop's chin)
We're very proud of you. You're ready to ride in the last row of the bus! Enjoy the ride in row 3. :)
Hahaha too funny =p
Derek, I wish there was a way to rate Honda's comment, so it could go all the way to the bottom.
We are investigating and trialing a comment rating system on Android Central. If it works out we may implement it here on PreCentral.
That would make a bunch of us stoked =)
Nice, that might be better than free sanctioned tethering!
Now where did I put my trollblaster 3000.
HondaCop - seriously, how old are you? A word of advice, don't write "First" on every post. Someone might not like that and you may eventually have your privileges dropped. Just a thought!
I just don't understand this phenomena behind first post..
Fortunately College Humor explains it quite nicely- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzgEi_u9-88
Great, Europe will get the Pre Plus before Sprint does.
As long as Palm is expanding it's base...sweeet =)
So lemme get this straight, Pre for Sprint customers, bugs bugs and more bugs patches etc. Pre PLUS, better faster stronger for Verizon customers but no Sprint. NOW Pre PLUS for Euro customers?! WTF!! Whats next?! Palm just gonna dump sprint all together and all the people who have kept them going for YEARS?!!!! GETTING FED UP!!! LOVE my Pre but Palm YOU SUCK!!! JMO
It's not about loyalty, it's about money. Palm is going to go where the customers are, and they've already tapped the majority of customers they're going to get on Sprint. While there's no doubt they would sell some Pre Plus phones on Sprint (I'd buy one), it's not a big enough number to make it a priority over expanding onto new carriers.
Relax. I have little doubt that at some point Sprint will get a newer and better webOS handset than the evolutionary upgrade that is the Pre Plus.
Its nice to have hope but sprint hasn't exactly had a track record showing customer appreciation being very high on their list of priorities. It SEEMS to me that Palm might be following in the same direction. Really how hard is it to launch a phone you've already established in other markets on a carrier who, until recently encompassed your entire wireless customer base! Besides, If you knew about business at all you would know that is 10 times harder to sign a new customer than it is to retain a current one! Besides, Sprint users are easy to please. We're on the biggest loser network in the US, many of us just to have one specific phone! It WAS the PRE, now its the PRE PLUS! Not alot to ask. Not mad, just my opinion.
Chris, I know plenty about business. Enough to know that (1) Palm's already got their customers signed on Sprint for two years. Most of them aren't interested in buying a new phone six months after they got their last one. And (2) you still go after the biggest customer base that you can as soon as you can handle it. Verizon is that base for Palm, Sprint is small time in comparison. It's just a phone.
Its not JUST a phone to someone who's worked in wireless telecommunications for a decade! Test marketed phones that NEVER made it to the US market as intended. Or by the time they did the share was already gone! I have seen this happen time and time again. I know you are smart enough to see my point. Im not mad or anything. Just hoping to NOT be disappointed...
No, it's just a phone.
+1 It is just a phone. Smartphones are so homogenized now, they all have the same core features (well, we still lack a couple on the Pre), the hottest exclusive features are quickly duplicated or superceded by other makers/carriers. In the end, pick a carrier and deal with the fact that devices "obsolete" faster than milk expires, but after two years, it still rings and delivers email.
True, but! But what is unique about any of these smartphone devices is the operating system (and in Palm's case webOS). When you buy a Windows PC, at the end of the day they all seem to run slower and slower and slower, regardless of the original speed. So at the end of the day, the PC's hardware seems to age quite rapidly.
But the operating system is the thing that is truly unique. By unique, I mean the difference between Linux and Windows for example; and this difference impacts the user experience more significantly than the difference in hardware. As Microsoft has found, the difference between Vista and Windows XP generated a lot of debate. But Palm is showing us something refreshingly different about their operating system. That is, the phone you purchased last year is not constrained by the speed of its processor. WebOS 1.3.5 brought us a lot of improvement in performance, though not enough for some. Now webOS 1.4 is expected to truly push the performance number up. So in this regard, webOS is different from Windows. I know the time will come when webOS will no longer be optimize-able to squeeze out more performance from the existing hardware; but by that time we all will be looking at the Pre II.
Its just a phone. Best marketing wins.
Everyone talks about a Pre II (including myself). Are there any concrete rumors they are developing it?
None, but (1) it would be suicide to not be working on a new flagship phone, and (2) Palm's so secretive nowadays it could come out tomorrow and we'd have no idea it was coming.
No, but everyone seems to think it will come arrive sometime. Think of it like a 2nd Generation Pre. Probably won't be out until 2011 or 2012
They'll need at least a mild upgrade from Pre Plus before the holidays in 2010. Hopefully a more powerful (battery, ram, flash storage) and robust device (picture a slimmed down Treo with big screen or bigger pixi). I suspect WebOS 1-x could go 2-3 years, depending on market environment. Old Palm made Garnet go a hella-long way.
If WebOS manages respectable growth, Palm is aquistion bait, so the parent will likely provide the hardware beyond the next one or two devices.
Anyone who's suggesting that Europe is in some way favoured by Palm is sadly deluded. We still don't have a paid apps, some countries can't even get most of the free apps, and we have no option to get the Pre Plus at all (no Verizon). Oh, and no Pixi either.
So calm down. All good things to those who wait. Someone has to be first, which means someone else has to be second. Screaming YOU SUCK is pointless.
I think in order to keep helping palm, we should all en-mass move to Verizon, and in June come back to sprint, when palm introduces another newer and better phone. This will not only help palm but also Obama to encourage consumers to spend more.
If you really want to help Palm so badly, why not just donate your ETF direcctly to them and cut out the middle man?
2chris
How insecure are you? If Sprint had it, would you rebuy it? If you have that much money, go buy a Plus now. Palm had to offer a short term perk to be on the nation's largest carrier. Is it better to stay Sprint exclusive so Sprint and Palm can go down the drain together? THERE WILL ALWAYS be a phone out there better than the one in your hand, Sprint or not. So man-up and put in your year or two on your Pre without whining, then go buy the best phone in the world only to have the maker or carrier break your fragile heart again, driving home to charge it up for the first time. Its technology, it moves on. Show some e-kahonies or suck down a Pamprin.
I would have it and NOT have to buy it myself! IMO in the last 10 years that I have been working in wireless telecommunications I have not seen or used one other phone that matched the potential of the Pre and WebOS! I only want the best Pre available to me. Thats not alot to ask. By the way I have both ATT and Sprint executive accounts and I will NOT use the Pre Plus on ATT if it releases as Sprint is predominant In my home area. You shouldnt make stupid comments about people you dont know by the way.
Well, if you're not buying it yourself, make them buy you a Pre Plus on VZ! And sorry about not knowing you better, if you prefer Midol, my apologies. (Damn, they just released another phone better than Pre, that's six this month!)
Question for you Chris. Do you think Verizon would have taken the Pre as is without any enhancements or anything to differentiate it from Sprint's version? Do you understand that if Verizon was offered the same Pre, it would have said NO and that would mean less people using webOS, which means the future of the platform would be threatened and you could not get any enhanced Pre.
I've got a first generation Pre too. I'm not complaining because I want more people to get webOS phones even if that means they have better stuff than me for now. Doesn't matter. It's just a phone.
Chris has an "executive" account at two wireless carriers so surely he knows how business works and what dire straits Palm and Sprint are in and how long its been since either made a single dime of profit. In fact, right now, I bet Warren Buffet himself is having a tantrum, kicking and screaming over the fact that the Pre Plus is over at VZ and his IT folk wont let him have it!!!
It looks as if you have established your point of view with a lot of thought. But I think you are overlooking a few things. First, most of the existing Palm customers at Sprint will not replace their current Palm Pre phone, because their contract term will not be up and as a result, they will end up paying an unsubsidized price of about $550. Second, the Palm Pre Plus has the Touchstone back-cover, 256MB of additional memory, and 8GB of additional storage; all these things cost extra money. Verizon can afford to subsidize these additional costs, but Sprint is hurting quite a bit, and so has to count all of its pennies. I know you will argue that if Sprint takes these steps it will get more business, but I think the scenario is a little bit complex to simply jump at such a conclusion. As a Sprint customer who purchased my Palm Pre phone in June 2009, I am quite happy with what I have got. Yes, at the right time, I too will upgrade, but now is not the time; only eight months after purchasing the phone for $200!
Maybe even before ATT
Is everyone still arguing about the Pre and Pre Plus? Honestly. It is just a phone. Holy crap is your phone your new girlfriend or something?
Why the heck wouldn't Palm release an updated version that they can now afford? It's called strategy. Have you never taken a business course or even read the business section in a newspaper?
Some people should be lucky they even have a Pre while others out in the world can't even get it. "Oh Palm you suck because you released a newer version on other networks to help build a consumer base" - Who the heck said it was Palm? How do you know it's not Sprint making the calls?
Do you realise how it looks for people outside the US when some of you basically say 'sprint should get everything first and all the newest stuff!' when we still have to import a pre?
Get some perspective. You sign a *contract*, right? Then live with it. Otherwise, get an unlocked one from somewhere, pay OUTRIGHT for it, and find a network.
No? Don't want to? Then put up or shut up.
I for one am cautiously optimistic that I might be able to get my hands on a Pre Plus. I don't even have the option of going from sprint to verizon - 'oh, an entirely different network, woe is me'.
ok here's a question, Sprint took the Pre out for a spin, Verizon picked up a better model, IF/WHEN AT&T realizes all of their customers DO NOT WANT AN IPHONE or a BLACKBERRY (felt like I was in the stone ages with the Bold) will they offer the Pre/Pixi, the Plus versions, or will they offer a better version of the Pre/Pixi Plus with all we've been waiting for.
Wouldn't it be nice if AT&T was last by design. I'd hate to think us AT&T users are really the low man on the totem poll and it will be worth the wait or is it time give up hope and hit ebay for another Treo?
Million dollar question. Will Palm give them anything over what Sprint/VZ has or even let them be an equal, being that they are the sole distributor of iPhone and will be for a while longer. It was one thing for VZ to use it as bait/switch to get people over to Droid, a largely unproven phone. But what motivation does ATT have as long as they have exclusive on apple? This will be intriguing as new hardware will be somewhat overdue from Palm by May or June.
One motivation that AT&T will have is to make certain that the entire company is not completely dependent on Apple. Apple is not a collaborator, they are a dictatorship; and the more power and leverage they have, the more they will use it. The Palm Pre is the one phone that could easily satisfy the iPhone users. My nephew has developed a little bit of a passion for the Apple iPhone. When he saw my Palm Pre phone, he started enquiring if there was a way he could get one off contract.
ATT has plenty of devices and doesn't even promote the Iphone. They don't even include the iPhone in their periodic "catalog" of devices and services. Yes, they have phones other than iPhone, they are the largest distibutor of Blackberry's. Sybians on board, like six androids planned this year. So Pre will be like Plan E or F beyond iPhone.
The performance of BlackBerry phones on AT&T's network is an indication that not everyone is going to buy the iPhone. Palm will do just as well at AT&T as they are doing at Verizon. Based upon two independent analyst reports, Palm is currently selling about 500,000 phones a month at Verizon. And this is in light of the fact that Verizon Wireless employees have been found in a survey to favor the Droid in their selling by 63% to 12% for Palm devices (because Verizon has invested in the Droid platform); but it is reported that this bias is being rectified. This report is more significant in light of the fact that Verizon has not fully launched its advertising of Palm products; which also indicates that the Palm Pre and Palm Pixi phones would compete even more impressively against Andriod in scenarios where the employees are not trying to influence the sale.
Sorry, too long and too unfocused. You twisted away from your previus point.
Palm is unpredictable; in other words, you can never guess what they are planning. Even when the Palm Pre was unveiled at CES 2009, no one had any idea what they were about to unveil. At the very least, AT&T will get the Palm Pre Plus (same as Verizon) which is a very nice phone. Its build is sturdy - it locks into place. It has the Touchstone back-cover. It has twice the memory at 512MB; imagine this thing can run 50 applications at the same time and still run a 3D game like "Need for Speed" at full acceleration. And it comes with double the storage at 16GB. Plus you will be able to enjoy Flash 10.1, a great camera that is extremely sharp and takes beautiful - well exposed pictures, and comes with video recording.
OK, I am aware that you may know all of these things; but my point is, my Palm Pre does not have many of these great features and I am very happy; now imagine how it would feel like to have these same features that comes on the Palm Pre plus. But I know something about us "humans" - we want more! At some point, I just say, "this is good for now".
You guys really need to check your own posts before posting something new.
http://www.precentral.net/gsm-pre-and-gsm-pixi-get-plussed
Also, the forementioned P101UNA is NOT the European Pre Plus. If it's the Euro version it should carry UEU.
umm predogs, i think you mean symbian. what you said is er... something else entirely ;)
You have to click on the reply link under PreDogs comment to target your reply accurately.
Actually, sybian should make an app for the Pre, but it will demolish the battery most likely and perhaps create some moisture damage.
Pre needs a flying spellcheck.
A sybian app really would play into the marketing strategy making Palm the ultimate phone for mom. The orange post-it is for orga _ _!
A sybian app plus video recording capabilities could put the makers of Pocket Party and Buttman out of business simultaneously. Can you imagine it, 'Pre a family business!!'
Back on topic.
Pre Plus coming to Europe can only be good for Palm as it would lead to more subscribers. Whether or not it would go to O2 exclusively in the UK anyway is debatable. Many mobile phone users are loyal to their chosen network as iphone has found. By having Pre plus on other carriers it should lead to increased visibility and therefore higher take up of the device.
A sybian app plus video recording capabilities could put the makers of Pocket Party and Buttman out of business simultaneously. Can you imagine it, 'Pre a family business!!'
Back on topic.
Pre Plus coming to Europe can only be good for Palm as it would lead to more subscribers. Whether or not it would go to O2 exclusively in the UK anyway is debatable. Many mobile phone users are loyal to their chosen network as iphone has found. By having Pre plus on other carriers it should lead to increased visibility and therefore higher take up of the device.
A sybian app plus video recording capabilities could put the makers of Pocket Party and Buttman out of business simultaneously. Can you imagine it, 'Pre a family business!!'
Back on topic.
Pre Plus coming to Europe can only be good for Palm as it would lead to more subscribers. Whether or not it would go to O2 exclusively in the UK anyway is debatable. Many mobile phone users are loyal to their chosen network as iphone has found. By having Pre plus on other carriers it should lead to increased visibility and therefore higher take up of the device.
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for me, i'm waiting for the Pre Plus in Germany
O2 sell the "normal" Pre with TouchStone for 409 euro - good offering, but with an O2 Branding
Since i saw the review of the Pre Plus on precentral I wouldn't buy a normal Pre, now.
I'm waiting for the Plus that I can test it in the next O2 Shop - so please Palm hurry up, my Samsung D900 s***
For 450 euro with a Touchstone and a more efficient battery, I would buy it immediately :)
[Greez from Germany - Gr
hey derek,
dieter has posted this back in january
http://www.precentral.net/gsm-pre-and-gsm-pixi-get-plussed
greetings from germany