Pre successor and tablet rumor mill: murky at best 127
Sprint Pre users are the founding fathers of the great webOS community. Yet they have been left out in the cold while everyone else (i.e. Verizon, AT&T, and O2) has gotten a better version their beloved hardware. As they watch in envy as everyone else can open more than a couple cards without getting a too many cards error, they have been chomping at the bit for any morsel of news; something, anything about new hardware. Sales reps in the stores are notably forthcoming with the information. The trouble is the news they dish is like snowflakes; no two are ever alike. The release dates they provide range from never to just around the corner to a year from now.
PreCentral Forum member Idudiaz reported that a "high level Sprint person" told him a new phone would be introduced the first or second week of September. Obviously, that hasn’t quite panned out, but we’ll give him an extension to the end of the month. An HP marketing person allegedly told teejay69 that the Windows 7-running Slate would be out very soon, with the Palm tablet following just a couple weeks after that. Moderator Blaize said her trusted Sprint rep told her the release date will be the beginning of the new year, meshing with what we’ve heard out of HP. At the opposite end of the spectrum, Socoot1 was told that Sprint rejected the new Palm phone. And Mikeydcomment said a Sprint rep recently told him not to expect any new Palm devices on Sprint until third quarter 2011 at the earliest, and probably not until fourth quarter.
These are just a smattering of the rumors we have heard about Palm devices, mostly from Sprint reps. There are also reports of Verizon mall kiosk and big box retail reps telling customers all manner of blatant misinformation to sway them toward a Droid, including DoobieDoo who was told that Palm did not exist anymore and there would be no updates for the Pre.
Just how credible this information is really depends on a lot of things. How much inside information is a retail sales rep privy to? Probably not much. We all know salesmen will say whatever they feel is necessary to get you to buy what they want you to buy (yes, there are plenty of good and honest salespeople out there - but it only takes one bad apple). However, people do like to brag when they have special access to insider information that everyone wants. It’s human nature. So it is always possible that some of this information borders on accurate. The only safe bet is to believe none of it and be pleasantly surprised when the truth finally comes from Palm.
We do know for a fact that there is some fantastic hardware coming our way thanks to Rahul Sood. While it would help us make some buying decisions if we knew an approximate date, for the time being there's so little clarity in the webOS rumor space that Palm newness could be later than most of us would like.
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merely a date for an anouncement would be nice. But I am happy with the pre, just wish we had 2.0 yesterday
Yes. Date would be awesome.
Props on not posting, "FIRST1!!"
Nice to see all the bs organized in a post. I am being serious.
Too much bs can also be stacked like Stacks in webOS 2.0. Smelly, organized and not hard to find. Quick Actions can be used for us to tweet about these reps who talk from their butt cracks.
The days are getting harder and harder. Other phones are calling me. I cant take this. Palm say something now
My launch day pre isn't gonna hold on much longer. If there isn't a new phone out by the time it dies, as much as it pains me, I'm going Android and I'm not coming back after investing in the switch. Please hurry up with a new phone. If they come out with a new phone first, I'd gladly end up buying a tablet. But at this point I don't even really care about a tablet yet.
My sentiments exactly (sadly)...
It's hard to be passionate about WebOS when they can't share an approximate date. Nothing survives long in a void. Screen shots are nice, but we had more than that Jan 09 and that release took five months and it still wasn't a complete device. If my Pre dies "soon", endgame for me.
Listen, I understand your pain. A webOS launch-dayer myself, I was literally hating the device I'd come to love, my Pre (Minus). Last week I went and bought an EVO 4g because even with overclocking my Pre's performance was lacking and I was still getting the TMC error.
Anyway, one week with Android 2.2 and the EVO and I took the EVO back to Sprint, paid a restocking fee, kept my Pre (Minus) active, gave it to my son, went to Verizon and got a Pre Plus. Let me just tell you after spending days and hours delving into Android 2.2, webOS (the actual OS, not hardware) runs circles around Android. I'm glad I found out for myself. Palm got it right. They just need to deliver on the hardware which I'm more than happy to wait for now that I've been Plus'd.
So, how much better is the Pre+ than the Pre- in your actual use?
My first smartphone was a Droid. Got the Pre+ after watching a few demo videos and really enjoyed using it. Demoing the + to android users really put some amazement on their faces. They were like me and had hardly even heard of the phone or WebOS.
I switched back to my Droid mainly because the hardware was better and someone was looking to buy a phone. I've read several kindle books on the Droid since the screen is so sharp and clear. I like my Droid but Android it is nowhere near as graceful and polished as WebOS.
I'll likely come back if they put out some solid hardware.
I'm, unfortunately, aligned with you. I have two touchstones (work & home) that i bought from Radio Shack for under $20 a few months ago. I believe they are the reason my battery holds less and less of a charge.
I can't find a cheap replacement or backup battery. Is it worth it for me to buy an expensive battery for a phone that has all the non-plus issues? Or do I just jump on the Android bandwagon?
I'm Sprint release day Pre buyer. I'm still on my original Pre (474 Days and counting). The Epic 4G whispers to me constantly. I don't want to cheat, i don't want to leave, but she's so darn fast & sexy... And i'm so tired of waiting for affection from my beloved HPalm.
Umm...Amazon has stock Pre batteries for under $10. That's cheap.
I'm not sure why you'd think the Touchstones are reducing the battery charge. My battery life does rather well and I often charge on Touchstones at work/home/car.
I'm not crazy about the battery life in general, but I've seen no degredation by contstantly charging them. It's possible the battery is sick and dieing on it's own.
"As they watch in envy as everyone else can open more than a couple cards without getting a too many cards error, they have been chomping at the bit for any morsel of news"
I'm not waiting. I'm making my Pre Plus on Sprint. If they aren't going to supply it, we're going to create it!
My launch week Pre is holding up well, no issues what so ever and with it being patched and OC'd to my own preferences, it does everything that I need from a smartphone, so when ever HP/Palm releases webOS/2.0 and/or the next generation smartphone is fine with me.
Bell's Pre launch was also over a year ago and with the same hardware as Sprint. I won't jump ship, but I'm sure hoping there's something new soon because my touch panel's been haunted a few times now in the past week...
The "No news is good news" bit doesn't fly right now with me. HPalm better release a spec list and/or a release date. Many of us can I'll afford to wait. No news by Christmas equals Android for me.
That's about my timing too.
I just had to replace my wifes iP3G this week after she dropped it in the tub (she got a 3GS instead of an iP4 because she refused reward Jobs for bringing out a defective product).
It is really hard not to head over to Sprint for an Epic. I truly covet that 4" screen and expandable memory. The 4G connection (which we have here in Chicago) would just be icing on the cake.
Don't understand what everyone's whining about. Got my new Palm Pre Plus from AT&T, really like it, loaded cool stuff on it, and overclocked it. Wonderful device. Those of us that waited for a GSM version of the phone because we needed it are quite happy, so please don't rain on our parade.
The sales reps are indeed pointing people away from Palm, at least at the AT&T stores that I've been to. One family member specifically went in to have a look at a Pixi and the sales rep told her that it was not a smartphone, didn't have a touch screen, and wasn't reliable. "She should really be buying an iPhone." Not too easy to figure out why Palm's aren't selling in this kind of environment.
wonder why? If HP/Palm is "treating everyone like mushrooms" (eg. "keep them in the dark and fed with sh.t", to quote an Irishman), and that is INCLUDING sales reps, I bet (no way they would be well informed, and nothing would leak), well - what goes around, comes around, ain't it?
"The only safe bet is to believe none of it and be pleasantly surprised when the truth finally comes from Palm."
Exactly.
The only phone I would switch to is iphone 4... Never had an iphone, I don
I guess being one of the rumor mongers can be viewed as stoking a fire but I assure you I have not embellished, or asked for any info about the future of the WebOS. It is presented as it was stated to me and has what ever value it has or what we attach to it. I'm not taking this personally but would love for the sources info to be true. It is my wish and will continue to do the happy dance till I get it confirmed or not.
Don't feel bad about passing on information. It's good to have a little hope sometimes. It's like when you're looking for a job and you get that call for an interview. Even if you don't get the job, it's still nice to have some hope once in a while.
As a Sprint user, I've got no more envy of the Plus, now that I've done the upgrade to a Sprint Pre Plus. Feels so much better, so I'm good to wait for a new phone for a bit longer.
You mean you hacked a Pre Plus onto Sprint's network? I didn't think that was possible without a sim card.
There is a whole forum post dedicated to the how-to of making a Pre Plus work on Sprint. By now there's been over 500 people who've done it most likely.
How do you get them to let you use the ESN on their network? I ask because I would like to use my Sprint phones on Boost or Virgin Mobile.
How sad is it when the "news" of the day is re-hashed forum rumor and speculation from "sources" that turn out to be wrong. Even P|C has nothing new to offer. I'm not upset with Nathan or P|C about this, but come on H/Palm, do you see what you have reduced us to? Insignificant whiners...how unfortunate for such a close-knit community like this.
If I didn't like webOS so much, I'd be out of here. It's time for H/Palm to repay those of us who have been around since Day 1 preaching the goodness of webOS by coming out with the top-of-the-market hardware to go along with the best mobile OS around.
Give us something...please?
there hasn't been much actual phone news in months. That's the state of things. it's all barely related stuff.
They're definitely making my new job difficult for sure. It could be worse though. We haven't been waiting as long as Windows Mobile users have waited for Windows Phone 7. How long did iPhone users wait for copy and paste (and a lot of other basic features)? Blackberry users are still waiting for an OS that's even as good as an unpatched WebOS 1.0. I say be happy to have something as great as the Pre and remember the days when you were using a stylus to poke at tiny little buttons on screen or being unable to do anything on an iPhone 1st gen. There's a line in a Sheryl Crow song that goes "it's not getting what you want, it's wanting what you've got."
It is frustrating but they probably don't want to announce a date because that gives their competitors a chance to maneuver.
Over 10 years and I've been fairly satisfied with Sprint service/price. I had my Treo650 for 5 years, and a Motorola StarTac for 5 years before that. I like keeping my phones as long as possible, but I would love to get some better hardware for WebOS. I can wait, so far my Pre is holding up fine, just cleared its first birthday. Of course, I'll be annoyed if my Pre craps out a month or two before a new release!
I moved to the EVO; I have a Sprint premier account and am able to trade up every year. If you have that option I suggest the same. Since HP bought Palm it's clear they're not in any hurry to get a new phone out; if they released now it wouldn't be of any use to those customers who don't get a new phone until next June when it'll be out of date. By missing the yearly update Palm has relegated launch Pre owners to either suffering along with aging and fragile hardware or moving to a different platform.
HP isn't worried about losing this current crop of customers; the bulk are already gone and onto Android. They're investing and developing for a brand new set of customers that will be looking for a new phone come next year. Let's face it: the Pre isn't a continuous release cycle product like the iPhone. It's abandoned. They'll relaunch the OS and new hardware and hope for the best (and I hope it's good).
Anyone hoping for a Palm release before Spring next year is going to be disappointed (masked Pre guy I'm talking to you). If you can swing it and you want a new phone go pick up an Android phone; there's a good chance you'll have it for 9+ months by the time the second gen WebOS hardware releases. If WebOS 2.0 is good, if the apps ecosystem improves, and if the hardware is significantly more robust I may switch away from Android.
most people don't buy phones just cause they have an upgrade so i'd question the sole point that "the bulk are already gone." Only a small portion of phone enthusiasts change phones every year. i'm not happy with my pre and i'm not gone yet. I'm just not switching cause i don't want to be locked into another contract and its not yet cheap enough to bail and pay the fee.
I think they need to be vigilant with customer satisfaction cause there are still plenty of people to piss off that, like me may just be riding out their contract. And the other thing is the bulk of Pre users i believe are on Sprint which means a lot would be coming up for an end of contract next June. So they could lose a ton of customers should they have no phones out by the time those contracts come up. i'm not talking about me either cause i've pretty much made my decision but i'm sure there are people still on the fence.
+1 Did the same thing June 4 wasn't going to wait a year for Palm to come out with a new device therefore giving up a update. By the time a new device comes out there'll be a new Iphone 5, Evo2 with 3.0 etc.
Some people are saying we won't see a Pre replacement before CES 2011. I don't buy it. We already know the Pre+ will be EOLed late October at Verizon, the Sprint Pixi is free through late October, they are basically giving away Pres all over the place. This is called moving existing inventory. I would find it very odd to NOT have Palm phones to sell after October!
Its called giving away because no ones buying them and they need to move them!
yeah I need a date soon. My hardware is beginning to fail my earpeice speaker has started to cut in and out. I honestly don't mind waiting if it's in a month or so but I really can't wait to long... It makes me super sad cuz I'm a WebOS freak and can't help but sing the praises but I can't buy an old gen phone when they're are so many newer ones available... :'( please Palm.... Please... I need a new phone soon. A release date and I'm all urs!
I'm in the same boat! My earpiece went totally out and having best buys insurance I had them take a look at it and send it in...they called me back two days ago saying I "qualified for an exchange of equal or lesser value" and I have 9 weeks to follow through. Meaning I can get ANY phone sprint offers but only until December 18th, so I'm waiting it out with a clumsy samsung seek that they loaned out to me. And I'm addicted to WebOS! but if I can't get a release date soon I have no choice but Android!
They have to give you the purchase price if you cannot find a phone you want. That means if you bought it when it first went on sale on Sprint, you'll get $599.99 back.
HP is gonna have to start up it's own carrier company because ALL of the current carriers are shitting on Palm. & HP/Palm isn't doing much to help the situation. HP/Palm has only helped sell more Evos & Epics here in the past few months. October 1st is my "jump ship deadline." No announcement by then, no more Palm for me.
I wouldn't expect a new Pre device on Sprint network for quite some time. Not only did Sprint fail at marketing it, they put all their resources on Android phones instead. It'll be a combo of trusting sprint and sprints willingness to market a new webos device.
Sprint is the only good thing that has happened to Palm in the last two years. Palm marketing failed. Sprint gave them flagship status, put up with hardware returns and incomplete O/S. VZ and ATT used Palm as bait for the diversion to Droid and Iphone. So I dont who you can get to agree with you, but Sprint is the key keeping Palm viable to make it to a next generation device. Palm has soiled their own home by abandoning their values and their loyal customer base.
The lack of new hardware is becoming a problem for me. I've been a loyal Palm user (Started with a Palm Pilot, then a Palm II, ended with a Tungsten before getting a Pre) and we have 2 in the house. I have a relative who ran a company for years that fixed cracked screens, etc. and have 2 in their house. Plus another relative had 2 in his house. So LOTS of history with Palm.
I LOVE WebOS, but am dissatisfied with the hardware. I'm on Pre #3, as well as my son. I've had the power switch break two times. I keep the phone in my shirt pocket or on my desk/night stand never been rough with it. My son's has been due to the headset issue. this last time it happened he didn't even have any headphones in and it went to headset mode and got stuck.
One relative gave up after 7 Pre's. And when I was in getting my son's last week there was someone there getting a different phone because he had done his 7 times.
I would love to switch the other 3 phones in my house to a Pre, but am leary since 2 of them our for younger teenagers.
HP/Palm PLEASE PLEASE come out with some good hardware before Christmas and I promise I'll upgrade to it.
First I'd like to say that sales reps don't know anything. When I was on AT&T at the beginning of the year, one sales rep told me that they wouldn't be getting the Pre until the end of 2010. Even though the rumors were saying summer 2010. Obviously she was wrong.
Second, Im with some of these people who are saying they still love their Pres. I got mine on Verizon when I switched in May but knew about it when the first announcement was made. So just like you guys with the original Pres waiting for a new device, I had to wait a year just to be able to get a Pre. Waiting sucks. But wait long enough and Im sure Palm will drop something amazing.
they're "moving inventory" alright... It's actually called "taking out the trash." they've all cut their loses & are moving on to the "more promising" platforms/hardware.
+1 I couldn't have said it any better.
they're "moving inventory" alright... It's actually called "taking out the trash." they've all cut their loses & are moving on to the "more promising" platforms/hardware.
Well that's it! Cause there is no news about when will be new hardware available, I'm not purchasing any apps or accessories. The fact is I'll purchase a new smartphone by december from a company with a higher level of respect toward its loyal customers.
Who is Nathan Mylott?
Just some new guy. I hear he's really good though.
I was thinking the same thing. I saw a couple of his comments and was thinking, "this guy's a noob, he doesn't have the same burning frustration as us vets." With that said, welcome man.
Thanks. I'm not that new to WebOS. I got my first Pre in February. I'm just more patient. I've been through a lot of hard times in my life when I didn't have any of the basic luxuries that we all take for granted. So I've learned to be grateful for the great things I have and not long for the better things I don't need. Besides, I can't afford a new device now anyway so it doesn't mean much to me that there's nothing new to buy.
By the way, as you can imagine, I'm really excited to be here and I'm a social butterfly. So feel free to contact me directly any time you have any questions, story ideas, or just want to hook up for a game of Word Ace or something. Click on my profile, all the details are there. I think.
Sounds good man. I can definitely dig it. I'm in the same boat. I really would be in no position to grab a new handset up today if it launcehd. Probably not in a few months either.
User guide of Pre-to-Epic transition:
http://thealo.com/thealo/blog/post/Palm-Pre-versus-Android.aspx
you both are idiots.. He's compairing 2yr old fone with less than a week old hardwear... It's like sayin my 22yr old bro runs faster than my greatgrandpa..
What is your great grandpa doing in the game anyway? Isn't he trying to play football with the 22 year olds? What's up with that? (your great grandpa is a Pre sitting on the same retail shelf as the two week old device).
What worries me is even in the previous article, McKinney talked webOS, but once again it was Tablets and Printers. Why do they always steer clear of mentioning a Phone? Is there any logical reason to be 'close' to announcing a Phone, and not even bring up the form factor? Seriously it is always the same devices, doesn't matter who is speaking. webOS is becoming Slates and Printers not Phones. I have a sickness in my gut when I think of going to Android, so I am waiting, and waiting, and...
HP hasn't said anything because they're sticking out of the phone portion of the deal. Palm is responsible for phones, as has been said by HP.
Ya know, whether or not that is factual, that sure as hell made me feel better. That actually is a logical reason. Thank you!
too little too late for me Palm. As bad (or as good at this point) as I hate to say it, in three weeks I will no longer be of Palm hardware. I spent 45 minutes in VZW and have given in to the dark side via the Droid X. I need more from my phone on a daily basis than what I'm getting integration-wise and in the form of apps, and DAMN that screen is beautiful! I don't like the idea of a Google OS but unfortunately that's where my needs are taking me. I hate it because I love webOS but things change, thus so does my phone. Good thing is, my wife is keeping her Pre and mine as a backup so it'll still be around for me to tinker with.
wherever webos goes I go.. If sprint aint gettin webos fones then bye bye to sprint... And I want the P-pad asap!
my puppy used P-Pads hehe
wherever webos goes I go.. If sprint aint gettin webos fones then bye bye to sprint... And I want the P-pad asap!
I agree, Same here. I will always have a palm device as long as they exist. You can really tell who the loyal Palm users are on this site.
And "P-Pad" hahaha. I never thought of that.
Been a Sprint Pre- user from the beginning. I would like the Pre+, but I do like the button on my Pre- just out of habit. I would much, much rather just hear some news about the new GD HPalm phone than getting a half ass upgrade!!
good luck making a call on that WebOS printer...lol
I must say I got a pre on sprint @ launch but I got me a EVO now for 30 days now and I miss webOS. The evo has this dam bluetooth issue that no one wants to address. I know feel double screwed...Pre hardware sucks since this my 6th pre but now I got a oversized phone that won't stay connected to bluetooth....PALM release something ASAP
I must say I got a pre on sprint @ launch but I got me a EVO now for 30 days now and I miss webOS. The evo has this dam bluetooth issue that no one wants to address. I know feel double screwed...Pre hardware sucks since this my 6th pre but now I got a oversized phone that won't stay connected to bluetooth....PALM release something ASAP
i feel the same if palm leaves sprint i leave sprint (we do need some info on new hardware tho i know i drives me crazy) now they have pics on new hd7 and all types of new window and android phones comin out (depressing)
Since it's taking so long, my contract with Sprint is almost up. For my family plan that I have with Sprint, it would cost almost $100 more on Verizon. I guess I'm staying with Sprint. Palm or whatever phone out there is not worth thousands of dollars.
wherever webos goes I go.. If sprint aint gettin webos fones then bye bye to sprint... And I want the P-pad asap!
What a bummer.. Hate to see the intrepid Pre pioneers and torch bearers, dropping away and being seduced by the sexy new hardware.
From a newbie's perspective it seems like early adopters are either quietly positive, hankering down and holding on somehow till gen 2 or have just had too many hardware issues to bear and are crazy vocal about the pain (and soon will be consumed by Droid or Apple). I just hope in 6 to 12 months I will be more of the former then the latter..
htc evo just won the prizefight at cnet.com today and is just insane how much that phone can do and how much I want it danm it sood why whyy so long for another phone can you just be htc and make a new phone every month
It would be nice if HP/Palm could at least say whether or not WebOs 2.0 will run on a Sprint Palm Pre. My guess is that it won't which is why they're not saying anything [See also "Blackberry OS6 only runs on newer phones].
great editorial by Nathan Mylott. The writing has been on the wall for a while.....HP isn't interested in phone hardware, only printers and integrating webOS on it. I really believe once people leave webOS they won't be coming back. Android, while clunky, is aways tweaking and innovating both hardware and software. Same with Apple.
People who think Android can't get better tend to forget:
- Novell laughed at Microsoft file server technology.
- Wordperfect pro's laughed at MS Word
- Lotus laughed at MS Excel.
- Everybody laughed at MS Windows 1.0 and 2.0
- Borland laughed at MS development languages
Never underestimate the power of a huge company with boatloads of money and huge ambition to accomplish a lot when they put their minds to it. Except Microsoft and Windows Mobile (and Zune). For now.
agreed. there is an ambition and drive within the Android camp that is lacking in the Palm camp. And I think that ambition is going to eventually make Android OS the Microsoft of the mobile OS world.
As a sidenote the Zune (OG) is actually a great piece of hardware, it just never innovated in the right direction. I would say this; if it came down to buying a plain-jane MP3 player (aka not an iPod-touch), I would go for another Zune(!). It's rugged (3 years of ownership and it's not scratched to hell), the UI is a great a fit with the hardware, and the software is elegant and better organized than iTunes. True story.
I haven't ad the TMC error in forever! I'm not sure if it's the overclocking or a Palm update but my sprint pre runs like a champ now. But I would still love me some new hardware!
The new Palm smartphone is probably getting a pretty chilly reception from all of the carriers. They didn't do well, at all, with the Pre and Pixi. Now Palm doesn't have much of their installed base anymore and there are literally dozens of new smartphones showing up over the next few quarters. There's no reason to push Palm smartphones over any others and HP knows it. It's time for the Pre and Pixi to join the iPaq.
Don't feed the trolls.
DONE. Went to Sprint & took the upgrade for my wife & my PRE's... Good buy Palm/Webos.
McKinny did it for me. If he does not care enough about HP-phones to mention them why should we?
Signing off for the last time here. Been a trip & a half and thanks to all for such entertaining posts.
ADIOS!
peace out. but you gotta come back and let us know how you like the EVO/Epic over the Pre
So what did you get?
Troll.. You can only get the upgrade on the primary line.
I'm getting restless. As a techie junkie I love new toys. I'm also quite jealous of other phones with their new hardware. The second I got off of my families cell plan I moved from a Pantech on ATT to the Palm on Sprint. I was an early adopter and had been looking forward to the Pre and describing its abilities to my buddies since I first learned of its development a couple of years ago. I have been an avid Pre activist anytime it seems appropriate, and have been confident in my purchase for a long time. I've been able to upgrade for a while now, and that Evo is looking tempting, especially if someone ports the ROM features of the new Desire HD. HP/Palm needs to do something to to make me not lose faith in an incoming phone. I'm sure that if something comes up down the line it will be fantastic, but I'm tired of waiting, and if something doesn't happen soon I'll feel like waiting around will be a waste when I can play with an Evo in the meantime. Palm: DO SOMETHING
I'm due for an upgrade in October, it would be nice to know if a Pre 2 is on the way...however if no dates available I'm going for android phone
It won't be. News, rumors, and speculation about phones, even low-profile ones, starts to leak out about 3 or 4 weeks before an announcement for pretty much everyone. There's nothing about a Palm/HP phone. Sorry, but hey! The EVO is pretty sweet.
Us Palm die-hards are masochists.... as a UK user, we have been severely limited by O2 exclusivity and the ridiculously high tariffs that wereinitiaaly attached to it. I've learnt my lesson with Palm and waiting for new hardwarre, I am a tech-junkie and my overclocked pre with Seido 2000 battery just isn't sexy anymore....At best I've gotta wait until Q1 for an announcement from H/Palm then probably another 8 months until a UK release of a new phone. So HTC Desire HD here I come (oct 5th) - bought GSM unlocked...that way when its contract renewal time, and IF there is a new palm available I'll be switching back....
Seriously guys, we are suckers for punishment, every 2-3 days we repeat the exact same topic (when is a new palm phone coming out / palm tablet / web OS 2.0) with our dream specs....what other smartphone OS groups do this???? the Joke is on us...when palm users drop drammatically, only then will you see urgency from Rubinstein and co....
its been fun.
well said.
my phone has a cracked screen (from the USB port) and the GPS acts up. its proven the GPS is a MFG defect yet they wont replace it. the USB has been proven to be a MFG defect as well.
i use my GPS all the time. and its getting to the point where my screen is not working properly.
im due for an upgrade mid November. i can get a Pre again for $50 bucks and deal with the same issues or get an Epic and a whole other set of problems.
it really is a hard decision but im kinda tired of leaning away from HPalm. one big reason is they have said they are wanting to integrate WebOS in a lot of products, they have also said they are not that interested in the cellular division however will still put out some devices.
HP isn't interested in the cell division, that is Palm's portion of Palm.
HP will work on slates, printers, etc. while Palm works on phones.
My launch day Pre is dying. Everyday it restores itself at least once. It has to go.
Lucky for me, I had just renewed my wife's line (got her an Evo), my daughter's line (got her a Pre) and added a line for my mother (got her an Evo) all within the last 4 weeks, so it was easy to talk Sprint in for a free replacement. If they would have forced me to pay the $120 replacement fee I probably would have just gotten an Evo and be done with it.
I love WebOS, my Pre is my life, but something's gotta give here. Palm is losing customers daily because they won't release any information.
I want new hardware as much as the next guy, but here's a thought: You know how some people have installed Windows on Mac hardware or stuff like that? Perhaps one of the developers or patchers out there could hack WebOS onto an unlocked Evo or whatever so we could have something cool to talk about. And, maybe, we could all just hack our way onto a different cell phone but keep the WebOS and everyone wins!
My friends at Palm tell me they are working on no new hardware except the new tablet which was originally scheduled for Q1 2011, but that will probably slip to Q2 2011. WebOS development is proceeding apace, expect a new version of WebOS to ship with the tablet. Expect the on-screen keyboard to be horrible (I'm told this is causing delays) and that there may be a wireless keyboard accessory at launch.
And I'm also told that tablet will NOT be on Sprint. The 3G (no 4G) version will be GSM, which means either AT&T or T-Mobile in the USA. Probably AT&T.
Don't expect any more WebOS devices from Sprint. Apparently Sprint thinks that they were horribly burned by Palm, and not just on the Pre/WebOS. In essence, they spent a lot of money promoting the Pre as it's new flagship phone and they got very poor return on that investment. This is why they passed on the Pre Plus and probably would have passed on the new tablet.
Full Disclosure: I am a Palm Pre owner that bought at launch. I'm currently on my 5th phone, the last 4 crapping out in various ways. My next phone will almost certainly be Android.
BOGUS!
HP says otherwise on multiple occasions. So you're saying after all this time, a smartphone company hasn't even worked on a new smartphone.
According to you, your next phone would HAVE TO be an Android.
Your "Palm" employee friends need to be fired. They've been hiring enough to replace this troll. Look at the people they are hiring and you can see what they really have in plan.
Sprint did not spend "a lot of" money promoting the Pre and they know that.
For all my fellow Sprint users feeling the pain there is an option. Upgrade yourself to the Pre+. It's cheaper than an upgrade and in concert with uberkernel makes it feel like a whole new world. Much faster boot times and as many cards as there are decent ones to open available. It'll buy you another 6-8 months easy. If Palm waits that long Ruby's asleep at the wheel. As for the naysayers that say Sprint is done with us, then why did Palm hire a Sprint product launch manager about a month ago?
good friggin point. Also, the simple fact that Sprint hasn't announced another 4G phone has me curious as to what that next device would be. Especially since they have two Android 4G phones with different form factors. I feel like the next logical device should be a Palm.
I have the AT&T Pre Plus and absolutly love the speed and performance and this is with no overclocking (I don't even know what a card error is or looks like). The latest Pre Plus hardware is actually not bad. I know many don't like AT&T so this is most likely why many will never enjoy the newest hardware. I would likely be in the same boat but AT&T is pretty much the only thing that works where I live and works well. This is why I jumped on it when it came available. I would never buy an IPhone and used a Motorola Razr until the Pre was available on AT&T.
double post, apologies.
For all my fellow Sprint users feeling the pain there is an option. Upgrade yourself to the Pre+. It's cheaper than an upgrade and in concert with uberkernel makes it feel like a whole new world. Much faster boot times and as many cards as there are decent ones to open available. It'll buy you another 6-8 months easy. If Palm waits that long Ruby's asleep at the wheel. As for the naysayers that say Sprint is done with us, then why did Palm hire a Sprint product launch manager about a month ago?
Nice news,but nothing has changed yet,still Palm,NO thank HPalm,I sold my PRE and am happy with my EVO,at lease I have better hardware...NEVER EVER go back to the old fashin style phone...And I hope Sprint learn good lesson from the good old friend Palm deal with the Pre,and they`ll stick to the Android phones and drop off the HPalm productes.
And yet, with a new phone with so many features to play with, you still have time to go on p|c to . . . to do . . . What exactly are you doing here?
Like me telling people they don't need to suffer through bad hardware. Grab an Android phone and keep your eyes on the Palm news for anything hopeful. I'd come back to the platform if the conditions were right.
Hey, you need to stop acting like a sore loser...this site and all its sister sites are welcome to all. I have had an Evo since launch and me like others still visit hoping to see some good news...I will be staying with Android.
The man said he was never going back to Palm. I think the Pre is much better than my old Razr, but I don't go to the Razr site to call people losers.
You must have been one of those big haired cocky bullies in high school that would walk around the lunchroom looking for a fight. Just sit down and eat your lunch!
My pre is getting pretty banged up. I think I'm on my 4th or 5th one. USB door broke off a few days after I got it. I dropped it a few times and the corner now has a huge chunk missing from it. My volume rocker has not worked properly since day 1. I came in to get a replacement phone and Sprint told me that it has too much physical damage. Now I'm stuck with the decision of using my upgrade, and getting one of the 4g androids, or forking out $100 for a refurbished replacement pre.
I don't EVER expect to see a Pre 2. And even if it does ever arrive, I certainly don't expect developers to flock to it. The Android train is in the station tight now and all the developers are boarding. Grab a seat before its too late.
Of course the Pre/Pre Plus is a nice enough phone for many who don't mind being on the trailing edge of smartphone tech. But I prefer the bleeding edge.
I have one major concern. Is HPalm taking their time because they view the current installed base as expendable? It's nice to think of WebOs as a big player, but it's not when compared to HP's most likely target which is Blackberry. HP is already in most of the enterprises that use Blackberry due to their servers, laptops, etc. Big businesses order phones a thousand at a time. They probably know that WebOS 2.0 will not run acceptably on ANY of the existing hardware and will need the horsepower of a new tablet, netbook, and/or completely redesigned smartphone. Blackberry just wrote off a large part of their installed base with their new OS. Expect HPalm to do the same. In a year or two, with new hardware and the new OS, HPalm will be able to leverage its presence in the enterprise to probably double the current installed base. The Palm Pre adopters will have helped make it possible, but they won't be along for the trip. It explains a lot, especially the deliberate pacing of releasing specs for a new phone. Their timeline is 18-36 months out, not 4Q2010.
I'm still on my launch day Pre... Sigh... And I just found out I'll be stationed overseas so I won't even be using my upgrade. Wil have to put my phone on the military deployment plan for the next 3 years. Hope by then HP will have some cool stuff for us.
I am a hardcore Palm, WebOS, Touchstone fan, but even I won't wait until the end of 2011 for new hardware. I don't think I need new hardware every 6-12 months necessarily, but my Pre is 1 year 3 months old. I won't wait past the end of this year or if an announcement comes out soon, I might wait until EARLY next year for a new Palm but after that I will switch to Android. It seems like every time I look at a post on PreCentral it is depressing. At this point the ONLY thing to look forward to is WebOS 2.0 Update and I don't even have any faith that that will come out before next year. Probably will show up with the release of the Palm Pad and even then who knows if the Pre will get the update. Everyone says there is only room for 3-5 smartphone players, and everyone is jumping on board. If HPalm don't make a move fast their game may be over before it starts. Sorry to be whining but I am getting bummed! On a positive note I have a co-worker that just jumped to the Palm Pre Plus (Verizon) and he is VERY happy. Says it is the best phone he has ever had, old hardware or not. That being said if I could just get a Palm Pre Plus it might tide me over, but us Palm pioneers can't even get that on Sprint. I was shocked at how much snappier the Plus was. My Pre takes about 5 minutes to boot, the Plus took aprox. a minute. My Pre does a Luna Restart in about 1 minute, the Plus does it in about 10 seconds. Felt better all around. Well hope we get good news soon, cause I can't take much more bad.
Wish I had a Pre Plus setting around I could use to turn my Pre into a Pre Plus.
PS: I have a launch day Pre from Sprint and still using the same one, been a very good quality phone for me, other than a bit under powered. So on a hardware stand point I can probably wait, but I have spent A lot of money buying WebOS apps to support Developers and Palm. And at this point if there is not going to be new hardware, and I decide to go to Android, I don't want to spend anymore money on apps. So I am going to make a decision soon....... I don't know if I can break away or not..... Palm give us something if you have any plans to stay in the SmartPhone business.......
Remember the good old days when Ruby would throw on a pair of jeans (ok, maybe they were too tight), come out on stage with his hair in a disarray and drop a couple of jewels. Remember when it seemed like he told Engadget damn near everything. Well those days are over. Our friend Ruby is now tied into the corporate machine that is HP. And man can these sons of bitches keep a secret! Lol.
After my sprint pre dies, I will no longer carry a phone.
That means if you want to get in touch with me you can email me or stop by the house.
I have had my Pre since lauch. Palm your bedrock community began here what gives? Where is the love? I must say the webOs is awesome! Nothing else compares, but now my Pre is wanning and I'm not sure what I'll do or where I'll turn if it new hardware isn't available be years end. Come on Palm!
I will leave Palm if they don't put something out this year. I truly love WebOS, but I need a new and upgraded phone, something with the specs of a EVO at the very least.
ya I've found myself looking at an EVO 4G.. And my lady is on t-mobile so I got to mess with the Samsung Galaxy S (vibrant?) it is just like the Epic 4G without a slide out keyboard.. Let me tell you it's extremely tempting to switch to the Epic... Definitely considering I have been eligible for an update at Sprint since MARCH... I have been holding out for a new WebOS device... As optomistic as I am.. I hate to think that there is no new phone until after the WebOS tablet is released in the first quarter of 2011.. I might as well get a Epic because my updates reset every March... I just don't know.. I'm afraid if I get an Epic or Evo a few weeks later a new WebOS device will be released and I'll have buyers remorse.
It really feels like HP is more interested in tablet devices for webOS than phones. There has been much more talk about tablets than phones, for instance...
Maybe because the tablet market (despite the iPad's lead) is more open and young than the phone market... iPhone, Android, Blackberry, and the re-launch of Windows Mobile all have sizable market share and it will be very hard for HP to crack that.
For consumer share, it may end up being a two way race for the top spot between Apple and Google especially if Apple ever expands its carrier selection the US, with the rest having much less market share. Microsoft has an uphill battle to regain it's lost market share to Apple and Google with Windows Phone 7. HP/Palm have an even bigger uphill climb. Windows phones will have some of the same high end hardware that the Android phones are getting. Don't underestimate MS. Then, there is RIM... I don't think they are much of a competitor in the consumer space as the enterprise space.
I am on my second Pre and it has an awful oreo issue with it and the micro-USB port is loose. Has been since I got my refurb. My upgrade is in November. It will be hard to not look at other phones then....
how many of us come to this site almost daily with a glimmer of hope that something was announced concerning new hardware for us? i read these threads till my eyes hurt knowing that we are all still going to be saying the same things. i have recentlly replaced my pre that was falling apart with a $100 refurbished phone. its actaully quite solid, runs fast (overclocked of course), and does all that i need at the moment... im willing to wait for some new hardware and not jump the gun and get whats coming out now. knowing the level of tech geekiness that p/c forum readers/posters are at i would assume that you guys/gals know that duel core cellphone processors are coming out soon. imagine how much better that is than the phones are out now. thats twice the power!! idk about you but im waiting for that. i know some of you have phones falling apart with an upgrading waiting at the store for you. go ahead and switch, i understand. i have a shiny new pre hanging out in my pocket that works just fine and im gunna get the most EPIC (not a samsung if u know what i mean) phone in the next few months. i'll wait for it. it will b worth it. when the day comes, i'll appriciate my patience with my awesome new Palm Pinnacle in my hand.
I haven't read all these comments, but my buddy is an engineer at HP. He told me about the P.O.S. Yahoo/Android Tablet a while back. HP had to release it after investing millions of R and D in it prior to buying WEBOS. As for new phones: There will be two new phones released in March and April of next year. He said they're keeping a pretty tight lid on things, but those are the scheduled release dates. So, if you can't wait that long, go buy something else. Otherwise, wait.
If they wait until March or April, they may not have anyone to come to their press conference.
This might as well be in Latin, the dead language. For the dead phone. R.I.P
The sad thing is there are people who will die believing that WebOS has a future. Just give it a few more months!
+1 When June 4th came along I didn't even hesitate getting an evo because then like now I realized Palm would be announcing a new phone until CES and I wasn't going to waste and upgrade waiting. The main reason I upgrade yearly is due to selling my phone while the resale value is high and it can pay for the new one.
I'm beginning to understand that Verizon employees are DROIDS. A substandard phone gets such awesome support...its beyond me. They must drink the koolade upon being hired.
Probably. But they could get a spiff on selling it or there could be a sales contest or some other incentive too. They used to do that when I worked at Cingular.