Pre3 listed for preorder on Amazon.de: €449 52
Thu, 19 May 2011 8:56 am EDT 
Interested in grabbing a place in the virtual line for an HP Pre3? Amazon.de is here to hook you up. They’ve got the upcoming flagship webOS smartphone up for pre-order, asking €449 for the devices (including VAT). That translates to roughly US$640, which we can either take to be including the traditionally high markups applied to US electronics sold in Europe (sorry guys), or roughly the price of the 16GB Pre 3 with tax off contract. After all, the HP Veer retails for $449 off-contract with just 8GB of storage packed inside – the Pre3’s almost twice the phone. Then again, the German branch of Amazon is also offering the Veer for pre-order for the price of €399 (US$570). Estimated shipping dates were not provided for either device.
This follows on other excitable German retailers offering the Pre3 as available for preorder. Notebook.de, for example, lists Pre3 at the same price as Amazon.de, but they’re more brash in reporting availability; they expect the Pre3 to be deliverable in 3-4 weeks, which would put it squarely in the middle of June. Getting excited yet?
Update: Amazon.de is now listing June 20, 2011 as the expected availability date for the Pre3. Edit: Now they say June 30. So... June.
Source: Amazon.de (Pre3, Veer), notebook.de; Via: webOS-blog.de, PreCetrnal Forums; Thanks to everybody that sent these in!
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The 3-4 weeks aren't correct.
It is often the maximum some stores are listing. So you can't count on them.
Sadly though...
It said 5-6 weeks last week. ;)
Yes!! Now which carrier is gonna offer it!?
PLEASE be Sprint...
VZW will be the launch carrier. Srry.
You don't know any more than the rest of us so I don't understand your smugness.
I wish it were coming to Sprint. But sadly, at least at first launch, it is not :( I know this for a fact.
How do you know this? I would be very interested in your source...
Unless you have a source, can't we accept your statement as anything other than speculation of some random person on the internet.
I don't personally care whether you "accept my statement" or not. I am just trying to let you know what I do, and I am as dissappointed as anyone because I am unable to switch from sprint. I guess I will be getting my fix of WebOS from a touchpad.
How can you be excited after months since announcement, a pre-order without a timeline, vague 3-4 weeks estimates, and no carrier announcement or pricing? Seriously guys, tell me. I have almost no anticipation for this device, other than seeing another webOS phone out there. My Sprint Pre 2 is fantastic, so I'm not dying for a new phone. I really don't see the 3 coming out anytime before July, but I've been wrong before. T be honest, HP doesn't even know when they're going to release it, so I'm not holding my breath.
You can get a new phone if you want and leave this community. We won't miss you. Good riddance.
C'mon bnceo, he's just voicing an opinion. Why would he want a new phone if he as a Pre 2?
What I'd like to know is how did he get a Pre 2 on Sprint? I'm still dragging around this Sprint Pre Minus.
jim1eye, if you can get a Pre 2 (ebay is a good source), you can swap the comm board from your minus to it, and following the instructions here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2 you will be up and running. If you need help, msg me.
If it doesn't come to Sprint, come find me!
In addition to the do-it-yourself method referenced below, you can also pay WebOS World to do it for you. With the Sprint Google Voice integration it was relatively painless for me to borrow a phone for a week and have them do the dirty work for me.
If you want Sprint Navigation, there's a thread that discusses that as well but it boils down to putting the appropriate ipk file on your phone and getting to the command prompt (I recommend Terminus) and typing ipkg install /media/internal/com.telenav.sprintnavigation_1.0.1-86_armv7.ipk -force-depends
Seriously bnceo? You're going to respond like that? I'm sorry I have an opinion different than yours, but it's about time to get over yourself and stop acting like a db.
@ morrison0880 and others. You and I may not know when they are releasing their devices but to say that HP doesn't know when they are going to release their products is not true. HP knows what they are doing and they are not going to release a product that is not ready yet because you or I want them to do so. I really love webos, (I'm a 6/6/09 pre owner) I want them to succeed, I wish they should have released the pre^3 and TP long time ago. But that is not the case so I will just sit and wait or if I'm tired of waiting, I'll move on to other platform until they can get things right. I'm tired of people wining about this issue.
These are their products and I'm sure that they (HPalm)want it to be successful more than you and I and I believe that is what they are working on.
When it comes to who will sell their products (Sprint, Verizon, AT&T or T-Mobile in the US), I believe it is up to that carrier to do so. All they can do is to make good products and try to work out deals with the various carriers which I believe they are doing if not publicly, behind the scene. If we want the pre^3 or TP to be on Sprint, we need to push them because we are their customers. We the webos fans might a small group but I don't think Sprint will be willing to loose us.
Reading your comment my truth detector showed a consistent 100%.
http://www.computeruniverse.net/products/90415876/hp-pre3-webos.asp?sr=p...
http://www.computeruniverse.net/products/90415875/hp-veer-webos.asp?sr=veer
Amazons price for the Veer seems far too high IMO. Just 50€ difference? Computeruniverse has the Veer for 330€, Pre3 450€ like Amazon. Also note that the Veers pictures on Amazon show the AT&T logo on the back, which is hardly possible
according to amazon.de available date is june 6th!. Holy calender :)exactly same date as Apple's event!
I hope the prices are wrong... It seems kind of high. I was hoping to get a tablet and a phone(off-contract) for under 1,000 dollars... I'm a college student w/o a lot of cash at hand... And I want one of each so bad...!
Ok, to ramp up that excitement a bit. I just clicked the link and it now shows a slashed price through the 449,00 and now shows 339,00 and also shows "Available from 6 June 2011"!!!!
I can confirm it as I'v just done the same thing.
So in less than 4 weeks I will be the proud owner of a Palm Pre 3. Cross fingers.
They keep changing it... *sigh*
I'm sad. Preordered it for 339€ and was happy, then a few hours later got an mail from Amazonpartner, that Amazon made a "mistake" and they were wondering about the 339€ order.
At Amazon still stays 339€, but they want charge me 439€. :(
KEda
Hey Keda, they're obliged by law to actually sell it to you at the listed price!! Don't let them charge you a Eurocent more!
The Amazon site shows $439 and available June 20th.
Be aware that these numbers are from the MarketPlace dealer Notebook.de and not Amazon itself.
Clicking the "All offers -> 2 new" on the right reveals the 449 and no date from Amazon.
So like the Pre2, the Pre3 will be launched overseas first? I wouldn't put it past HP at this point. They haven't really done anything right yet.
Why shouldn't they release it in Euope first ?
Because I don't live there, of course. ;)
Good point :D But you can't blame HP for that ;)
And what makes you think HP wants to release in Europe first?
They may end up doing that, but you all act like HP can dictate which carriers carry their products and when they carry it.
That is not the way it works.
You normally can use 1:1 for exchanging $ (no tax) to EUR (incl. tax) for our European tech prices. :|
Actually I am trying to NOT get excited. Just sort of sittin' baaaaack, lettin' it happeeeennnnn, chillin' oooooooout....
Now if I could just keep from hitting the refresh button on this page I'd probably get more done. In the meantime something will eventually happen and then we can start whining about when the next ones will come out and why the OS hasn't been updated in the last 20 minutes :-)
this is inline with the observation made by webosroundup. Check out the calendar date on the mockup of the website
http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/
It now shows 30th June in the Pre page on amazon.de. It's a moving target!
Yep I noticed this also
notebook.de also moved the timeframe, was 3-4 weeks and is now 6-8 weeks.
Does it not make sense that HP releases TouchPads before their DISCOVERY 2011 event starting on June 6th in Las Vegas ??? !!! Their partners/clients then can receive a first hand experience. So there is a faint chance that TouchPads may come out by June 1st.
Hmmm is anyone else stoked that it appears to be an unbranded phone listed? Just maybe this has the CDMA and GSM radio thus JUST maybe we'll see this in North America too, thus a chance in case Sprint does give the finger we could beg them to activated the unbranded CDMA ESN.
Unbranded phones are not unusual in Germany.
Branding (having the carriers logo and/or some carrier specific cr*pwware) has been used less and less over recent years.
Europe is standardized on GSM - phones sold in Germany almost never have CDMA.
Still waiting to hear how HP ist going to 'make things right'. I have a Pre- and would love to make a change to a Pre3, but I'd have to think about that again if they already forgot what they told us 3 months ago; yet again...
I really don't understand this sentiment.
Move on.
Since this appears to be unbranded, it would make better sense to launch in Europe since unbranded devices do allot better there than here in North America to which an overwhelmingly majority wont touch a phone without the subsidized discount and more GSM carriers to choose from. They'll simply get more revenue there than here.
What could be keeping this unbranded phone from launching in North America is a carrier here is taking the phone with exclusivity which would hose all prospects of this phone for 6months.
Yet another change, now its the storage thats gone down from 16GB to 8GB.
wait?? wait?? wait broke the wagon. I went out and frankenpred, then got tired of sprints bs and switched to no contract tmobile. Now i have an unlocked pre 2 and a veer and i love them both. I'm reading all these posts about people mad and waiting and this and that.. you can get a used pre2 unlocked for cheap. YOu can buy a veer right now off contract for 450 which aint cheap but aint that bad. This is like windows mobile phones, i remember i got the htc apache and it had a windows update button on it, i used to hit it for fun realizing it would never update, then one day i got unlazy and put a fresh new rom on there. Time waits for no man! if you want something done, gotta do it yourself. Even if it means buying the pre 3 unlocked and saying F sprint. i mean all the h8 they caused us, u guys just ready to kiss and make up?
Amazon.com has the Veer for $349 off contract, why would you use AT&T's $449 price? Just asking.
TL;DR:
Pre 3 in US will cost much less than $600 and probably just $499.
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Guessing the US price by applying the current exchange rate is misleading.
The exchange rate is currently (and has been for a couple of years now) very unfavourable for the US $.
But american customers won't buy Euros to buy their phones, they'll pay what carriers ask for in dollars.
For a better guess let's compare the Pre3 price with the original Pre. The Pre3 at 448 is actually cheaper than the original Pre in October 2009 when it cost 480 (also off-contract). That's 32 Euros less - or roughly 7% less.
I believe the 2009 off-contract price of the Pre was $549. An equivalent 7% less could make it $512 or so. I wouldn't be surprised if the dollar price of the Pre 3 will be $ 499.
Either way less than a crazy $ 640.
Current exchange rates are often worthless to compare prices and only relevant for tourists or other people who buy/sell *between* countries. That's what the PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) is for.
The PPP between Europe and USA is actually close to 1. People in Germany pay similar prices for goods in Germany as americans pay in the US. Price comparisons get further confused by german customer prices including VAT (19%), while american sales tax is excluded - and differs by state. Even the naive exchange rate calculation needs to start with the pre-VAT net price - which would be 376 instead of 448 Euros. With that base even the exchange rate just gives us $538 instead of $640 (at $ 1.43 per 1 Euro).
The exchange rate between EUR and USD fluctuated by up to 40% over the last decade. When I travel to the US next month everything will be effectively discounted (by roughly 1/3) for me.
American tourists to Europe OTOH would feel that while prices look similar they pay dearly in dollars needed to buy the Euros to pay with.
Hi Derek,
regarding this:
"This follows on other excitable German retailers offering the Pre3 as available for preorder. Notebook.de, for example, lists Pre3 at the same price as Amazon.de"
On closer examination it seems The Pre 3 is offered "via" Amazon, not *by* Amazon.
It says:
"Lieferbar ab dem 30. Juni 2011.
Bestellen Sie jetzt!
Verkauf und Versand durch Notebook.de. Für weitere Informationen klicken Sie bitte auf den Verkäufernamen."
"Verkauf und Versand durch Notebook.de" means sold and shipped by Notebook.de.
So it's Notebook.de either way - directly and via Amazons market.
Complete translation of above:
"Shippping starts June 30th 2011.
Order now!
Sold and shipped by Notebook.de. For
further information please click on sellers name."
Err - correcting my own correction.
I followed the source link and it says what I quoted now, but I see that the image you posted above says that it would be sold and shipped by Amazon.de.
Somebody over at Amazon.de office is having fun editing these entries. ;-)
BTW - I followed the given source link because searching for "Pre 3" or "HP Pre 3" didn't produce hits for the Pre 3 on Amazon.de (only accessories and jeans and books, etc...)
Does anybody know if you can doctor a German pre to have the keyboard working like a non-german one? German keyboards are QWERTZ... I'd be happy to have the wrong label on the keys as long as they act like a QWERTY keyboard...