PreDoodle - Don't Jump Pre 3! 52
by Jason Harrison Thu, 14 Jul 2011 4:20 pm EDT
Don't do it Pre 3! There's still hope...maybe...
Don't do it Pre 3! There's still hope...maybe...
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even if there is a zero to none chance, I will still hold my breath.
Go ahead and jump. By the time your released it'll be way too late!
+1 this implies Sprint can kill the Pre3 when that should really be an HP logo instead
LOL I love it, unfortunately my pocketbook can't handle it. So hopefully many of your can afford to do it, and if you do don't forget to email dan@sprint.com to tell him why you're moving.
Gotta love the crickets :D
I don't get why they are even releasing a Pre 3. The same phone over and over in different sizes and barely anyone is interested.
Isn't it the same with the iPhone? New model each year, nothing's hugely different, everyone still buys it.
Exactly the same....except for the fact that the iPhone was an industry-rocking success from the day of announcement whereas the Pre line has been pretty much the opposite.
People like the Iphone, people like Apple, Apple treats their customers like they want future business, Apple delivers on promises, Apple even delivers when they dont make a promise.
HP isn't Apple, PreX isn't iPhoneX
But the iphone sold well. The Pre did not.
That's like saying it's right for Buick to keep doubling down on the same Buick LeSabre model because BMW 3 Series don't change much from year to year and sells well.
Sprint used some of the worst advertising any of us have seen, and that initial build quality plus the small screen size didn't help. By the time it got to Verizon and AT&T, those companies added it to the list of devices they offered, but they didn't even TRY to sell the Pre Plus, even when people walked into the store and specifically asked for it.
If the sales people go out of their way to push another device on you, even when you ask for a Pre Plus, isn't that the sort of thing that WOULD cause low sales when there is no advertising for the Pre Plus? I've seen TV advertisements for the Veer(not just online, it actually came on while I was watching TV with my wife), which surprised me.
So, if the Pre 3 is advertised, it SHOULD get some sales, as long as it doesn't have to compete with the advertising for the iPhone 5. If HP is waiting for the Sprint phones to show up before selling ANY on any carrier in the USA, that is going to lose so many sales, it's sad, not funny.
"All together Now!" Hate that song.
The lack of total success of the Pre is a known fact.
Yet to assert that this is because of the form factor - when we know that there are other solid reasons (build quality and return rates, terrible advertising, lack of follow-up, lack of apps, etc...) that alone can explain that - is faulty logic.
We have 0 data on how well a better build Pre on more networks early, with better advertising and more apps would have sold.
People who want an Apple product or particularly the IPhone will buy that. A competing product has to be somewhat different, *especially* when it lacks in one area - apps - that cannot immediately be fixed. Having a slider keyboard is one of those differentiators and plenty people *want* a physical keyboard.
Of course the strategy that would best cover the market would be to offer the Pre form factor *and* a slab.
That's exactly what i was thinking. A pinto didn't change much either... They still exploded when rear-ended year after year.
New OS version, more than double the stock CPU speed, better quality materials, Touch to Share hardware support. While a TINY phone would not work for most of us like the Veer, if a 3.7 inch slab is big enough for most people, a 3.6 inch with slider should be VERY nice.
I actually think the Veer could attract a very young generation! Get the 12 - 14 year olds interested in the OS then in the future HP's brand grows from that.
See I have a bit of a disagreement. When the Pre came out there was HUGE hype for the phone, but it was also at the pinacle of the recession to. I know at least 2 or 3 people that didn't buy the phone due to money issues and ended up holding on to their old piece of **** for 1 more year (right in time for the HTC Evo)
The Pre 2 was never sold on sprint almost making it a lost cause right away.. But the Pre 3 has hope. Bigger screen, Touchpad should help it gain apps, & synergy.
If the Pre3 sells on Sprint, It will no doubt out sell the Pre
wait for me
Man the pre company is stupid, they had a great OS and just needed to build solid hardware. Now they are being left in the dust by android and apple. If anyone over at HP is listening you all missed out on a great opportunity to be major players within the market. Now all the loyal palm and palm pre fans had enough and flipped over to android. Dumb asses of the year for the past two years goes to "palm and hp"... Innovation that moves at the speed of retirement homes...smh
well the thing is that we are stupid and know nothing while the people over in the big hp offices know everything and think that they can just get new people interested in webos with a veer and a pre 3. maybe that was just rubis idea and thats why he's out. either way we all lose.....
have to agree.
for a company with hp's claimed clout, scale, resources, size, etc etc etc you'd think they would have sped things up, nailed the release, skipped that stupid headphone dongle thing on the Veer and just generally got things rolling. Feb 9th was a long time ago. I don't want a tablet, and I'm on Sprint. exactly nothing has changed for me as a webOS user since then.
Since then?!?
For us Pre- users, nothing has changed since the middle of August 2010 when 1.4.5 was pushed out.
February 9th is when I lost the faith.
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Just go ahead and license Webos out to some hotter handset makers. Be dope on a HTC slab phone.
With HTC's pending patent loss to apple (The ITC reviewing judge ruled against them) I wouldn't be shocked to see just that.
I firmly believe thats why Samsung is talking to HP. They may have started with TV's, but android is turning into an IP nightmare that will make webOS the defacto choice.
i thought that they made it clear that they are not licensing to competitors. They are going to license to other hardware such as tv's and other electronics....
That was five months ago...from month to month, HP has been flip flopping more than a politician who lets aides tell him/her what to support and what to be against.
hey you know you make a good point. i hadn't thought of that sliver of opportunity for webOS. maybe Samsung and HTC could make a lot more of it!
except that accg to Gizmodo there are 550,000 new android devices activated per day. how many webOS? 8? what android IP nightmare are you talking about?
This is the (potential) result of the loss he's talking about.
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I still would like to get a Pre 3, but honestly, the excitement died out a long time ago. At this point, I'm more excited to see what the new iPhone is going to look like. The chances are greater that the new iPhone will be on Sprint than the Pre 3.
yeah webos lost all momentum on the feb. 9th event.......
Yep. if a person isn't in the market for a tablet, like me, Feb 9th just stands out like a forgotten roadside shack someplace behind...
With Sprint urging everyone to buy an Android, it's more like "Jump! JUMP!"
The Pre3 is still vaporware, so realistic options are?
lmao, sounds like a criss cross song
Vaporware is something that isn't built yet. The Pre3 is being tested. So it's probably not coming to Sprint. Or maybe it is. Whos fault is that? HP didn't make the original pre, and Sprint is afraid to trust the HP makes better HW. Sprint needs to man up and give HP a chance. The Pre3 is not the same old HW. It's bigger, had an autofocus rear cam and front cam for 'facetime' and does HD video... also 1.4 Ghhz proc is ~ 3x faster than the -. there's more but haters will still hate. I'm not a fan-boi, I got an iPhone for my kid... but I want options and WebOS gives me more options.
i think that if it wasnt called a pre 3 and if it didnt have a slider keyboard it probably would have been already announced to be released on sprint......
Unlikely.
More likely is that Sprint just doesn't see the upside for their business.
They are a mobile telecom provider.
They couldn't care less about the OS on the phones they are offering. They are *not* in the phone selling business. They are offering phones *only* to attract and retain customers to their cell phone network.
Having to support another OS involves extra cost (sales and support people have to be trained on more software and UI). They have Android because that's the most popular OS atm and IPhones wheren't available.
Plenty of Sprint Pre users have made it clear on this forum that they would rather switch to Android than to switch carriers. And that's on the webos site. The overall message to Sprint is: We'll loose only a few customers but avoid the extra cost of having another OS to support. That's not a hard decision to make for Sprint.
The only way they would go for another round of webos devices (regardless of form factor or specs or build quality) is if they had reason to fear that not offering a replacement for the Pre would lead to a mass exodus of customers.
I don't get it! Why is supporting another OS an issue? Most carriers now carry a multitude of brands/types/OSs. what makes you think it's a one OS issue? I think it's more "we lost $$ on the pre, there's no way we're taking on such a risk again!" attitude. I tend to agree with that reasoning, but I don't think the pre3 will cause loss.
Sprint is the holdout tho, HP has no power to force sprint to sell the webos phones.
If another O/S brought enough customers, then its worth while. But since the initial launch of Pre, WebOS has never had a single breakthrough moment.
There is cost involved in teaching staff how to sell the phone, teach them how it works and what the selling points are. There is cost in involved teaching the retailers and in-sales how to set up the units, carry over contacts etc. There is cost involved setting up scripts and trouble shooting guides for the retail and phone moops to follow when the customer has trouble. There is cost involved when Sprint has to test, and retest, the O/S and device to assure it will run flaw-free within their system.
It's a lot of money and time invested, on a system who's parent has LITERALLY been abusing its developers and customers. Carrying Pre3, creates more problems than it solves. If we believe iPhone is coming to Sprint IN COMING MONTHS, then trying to ramp up to carry Pre3 will just get in the way.
There should be an android robot in this picture because it could go 2 ways. Jump off Sprint or Jump onto Android. I like my Sprint Coverage and plan so i'll probably be jumping on Android :( or hopefully the iphone 5 will be available for Sprint!
Ride that pin-drop wave thing, Pre3! Slide right into the store!
Not sure where there getting their facts from but it is Forbes...
http://blogs.forbes.com/mobiledia/2011/07/11/sprint-snubs-webos-deals-bl...
From that article:
"In fact, the Overland Park, Kan.-based carrier allegedly has no plans to carry any future WebOS-based devices."
That means they didn't talk to anyone at Sprint, and are going from reports on other web sites rather than doing the real world of TALKING to people at Sprint.
Err what?
The message that Sprint is not interested in webos based devices is translated by you into meaning that nobody from HP talked to Sprint?
That makes no sense.
Here's what we actually know:
HP is a hardware, software and service business.
They have an interest in selling through as many channels as possible and profitable. From that we can assume that they talked to everybody that is worth their time - most likely including Sprint (while small it does have a lot of the Pre customers).
Sprint is a carrier. Their *only* interest in devices is if they add and/or retain customers to their phone service. From that we can assume that they only consider adding/keeping a range of devices if that is likely to add/retain more customers that it costs to support that. Android is the most successful mobile OS atm. And it is fairly unrestricted and on lots of devices. Unlike the IPhone that Apple keeps under tight control. Sprint would no doubt add the IPhone - becuase it also has a big established user base and would likely attract and retain a sizable number of customers.
webos would retain a relatively small percentage of customers and nobody knows how many it would attract to Sprint. But not a revolutionary number at first. Adding/keeping webos involves cost (training employees, making room in inventory, display, etc...).
Simple solution...sell the Webos to Apple and let them integrate it on the newest iPhone....cmon son, hands down , there would be no competition, you'd have the absolute best OS, with the best UI, and the best HW. Oh , and sell it on Sprint!...Game Over!....any takers?
I want a physical keyboard, Apple isn't going to offer that.
Dwight
Yeah , thats not happening
this is crazy, I think that the palm pre was successful. Sprint wanted an iPhone killer and thought the palm pre was going to compete.. heck I still waiting for an IPhone Killer. the sprint EVO can't do it either.
Sprint is like SEGA they thought they had a Mario Killer game ... as much as i love Sonic ... it is not a mario killer. So sprint stay in your lane. The only way sprint will get WebOS is if they get an Iphone first.
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this is crazy, I think that the palm pre was successful.
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This is a Sprint Pre- user signing out. It was fun for awhile. Will be making the scary jump to Android with the EVO 3D. Have fun everyone on ATT and Verizon.
It's not so Scary I made the jump to the Evo 3D last week. I'm Lovin' HTC Sense 3.0 Facebook is more integrated then on any WebOS device. I've noticed how much work WebOS needs, I used to think it was just hardware. Unfortunately I know now I was wrong. It will take more then a few major applications being added and a dual 1.2 Ghz (Snapdragon or Tegra) on a phone to make this ship float. I hope I'm wrong and I'll check back from time to time too see if I am, but for more then a week my only regret is I held on so long.
I had so much fun with my original pre. I did overclocking etc. I have moved on to a EVO, and must say there are things about web os I miss. I am a die in the wool Sprint fan, and do so enjoy my EVO. Perhaps I will return to HP some day, but who knows. I might do an iPhone if they were offered by Sprint.