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by Derek Kessler Tue, 05 Jun 2012 6:20 pm EDT

Read This: In depth on the rise and fall of webOS

The tl;dr version: webOS got screwed, time and time again. Sometimes by Palm's own ambitions, sometimes by supposed partners, and sometimes by fate. The Verge's Chris Zeigler has put together an excellent history of webOS as told from the inside, including plenty of behind-the-scenes info that wasn't publicly known before this point. For instance, Verizon was originally supposed to be the launch carrier for the Palm Pre, but backed out, and then a year later with the Palm Pre Plus and Pixi Plus ordered "an extraordinary number" of the devices, only to go with Motorola's Android-powered Droid instead, refusing shipment on hundreds of millions of dollars of Palm inventory.

Then there's the immediate post-HP-acquisition rush and excitement for webOS under HP CEO Mark Hurd, with the Palm group diving headfirst into a brand-new tablet, a new office established to get webOS onto PCs, an actual functioning webOS printer, and more of HP's grand webOS plans. And then all hell breaking loose with a new and disinterested CEO, a disappointing tablet launch, and quick and stunning shuttering of webOS hardware.

It's a sweeping 8000+ word overview of the rise of webOS at Palm and the fall under HP, with plenty of background thoughts to add color to what we all suspected was going on. But know this: the story of webOS isn't over.

Source: The Verge

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I think the "Social Network" is going to be considered nothing compare to "The Mobile OS". A webOS diary.

When I read this story earlier today at The Verge, I just kept having this feeling in my gut like someone was telling my life story of how I always pushed for webOS and it never gained traction. It was an almost sickening feeling that I had failed, but it was really the OS I loved failing due to idiot after idiot situation screwing things up somehow or another.

good article but I beg to differ......the WebOS story IS over.

I beg to differ on the begging to differ. webOS is never going to compete with a smartphone again, but as a tablet/device OS, open webOS may still be an interesting choice. (Even as a user-loaded ROM.)

Of course, between now and September, HP can do plenty to prevent that from happening. Anything from "July 2nd, 2012: Heh, turns out we needed those Enyo guys after all... open webOS is now coming in 2013!" to "July 2nd, 2012: HP fell 20% in trading in Q2. Sorry, we're ending all development on webOS immediately-- the team is fired, the remains are headed to Apache." And even then, that's being optimistic: HP doesn't have to license an incomplete product, or even hand it over to Apache in the end. Perhaps it stays in the vaults forever.

While I disagree that webOS is dead, I do agree there's plenty of room left for HP to bungle it up.

The article stated that all the developers are gone; there are empty cubes everywhere. What part of it being over don't you get?

I certainly hope the webOs story is not over. Looking foward to the next webos phone, code name Phoenix!! Rise webos! RISE!!!!

Hell of an article, hated the ending.

I continuously read bits and pieces of articles citing "the end" -- ignore the fact Open webOS will debut in September. Write about facts, then formulate opinions based on those facts. The ending stained this wonderful piece of writing, IMO.

I think it's pretty damned obvious "the end" has not come for webOS. You know. Seeing as how it's being launched in September.

These guys from the Verge have their moments of brilliance, but every now and then they expose themselves and reveal what they're really about. This is one of those moments.

Thanks a lot. You ruined the end for me.
I guess I don't have to read the article now.

No, you still have to read the article.

I gave away absolutely nothing. You can even see the words "the end" in the black sidebar on the left.. and in the head section of the article.......

The article made it clear that many if not all of the good developerswho had been working on webOS are gone and have said that they would be very suprised if HP actually gets open webOS out by September. In fact, the article stated that it is very possible Meg Whitman is only keeping this open webOS development going for the tax incentives of not dumping Palm just yet but that could be happening very, very soon. Read the whole article. It is sad. webOS is gone.

I am very confident that there will NEVER be another webOS product made by an OEM. Perhaps someday people will be able to use the little bit of open webOS code HP does develop and throw it on some android hardware, but it is going to suck. I miss webOS but guys, shes dead.

I am sorry but webos is dead. There is no hardware. Hardware is very expensive to develop. Who will make hardware for what the vast majority of phone buyers will see as a new os? It is a two horse race now I'm afraid.

It was a two horse race the moment the Droid was released. Nothing that happened from Palm or HP changed anything about that fact.

Hardware gets cheaper and cheaper all the time. This is the probably the biggest bright spot on the horizon for webOS.

The very best hardware is always going to be the most expensive, but there comes a point where even the cheap hardware is good enough. For example, when iPad 3 (or whatever they want to call it) came out many people couldn't even tell the difference between the screens when the new one had so many more pixels.

We've seen what Amazon can do with cheap components in putting out an $199 Kindle Fire. With the price drop in hardware since that came out, it wouldn't be that surprising if someone could put out a $129 version of something like it for Christmas.

The bigger problem for webOS will be the ecosystem. It's got to deliver the full user experience (app store, music store, media store, etc.) and as well as the apps (Netflix, Hulu, Spotify, etc.) that people want. Finally, there's got to be marketing, so that people know that it exists. This goes hand in hand with there being well... devices.

the ending hasn't been written yet.
don't forget also jason R is interning now at HP and he doesn't think its over.
and webos-internals is chafing, literally foaming to get their hands on openWebOS
and what happened to community webOS which was supposed to debut this month?

"the ending hasn't been written yet."

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It's over. The o/s may live a while longer, but there is no hardware world for it and there is no app ecosystem for it. It will be a nice hobby, like ham radio, collecting fossils and collecting antique oil cans.

That's the little bit of hope I have. If the situation goes south quickly, at least Robitaille is an insider to what happens this summer with some insight that no one puts on a press release.

NDA's not included, naturally... He can't talk about trade secrets and business decisions that HP makes before even they announce them, but you can't silence an employee on the morale and demeanor of a group at work. Fingers crossed that when it looks bad, he'll say something.

Very fascinating article which explained all the odd events in Palm's life. I didn't realize how much talent Palm amassed but its innovative efforts were defeated by market forces, carrier choices and bad executive decisions at Palm and HP. The beta nature of early 1.x webOS are well explained by the last minute embrace of webOS project over another Palm os effort. I wondered why Pre + users with verizon was given free mobile hotspot. That was because VWZ screwed Palm by refusing shipments and by making Droid its flagship. HP never fully supported webOS because the divisions of HP never even noticed this new small division. Dysfunctional HP culture and lack of true leadership prevented HP from propelling Palm to success. The Touchpad's uninspired hardware is explained by HP's pennypinching ways and lack of top end components that were cornered by Apple. What a colossal monumental shame that webOS's merits could not survive in this harsh unforgiving and cutthroat mobile market. Open webOS is not mentioned much but then again its future is incredibly tenuous at this point.

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Have to say that article was a helluva post by the Verge. If one has followed past documentaries regarding the technology field - like Triumph of the Nerds - one gets a sense of how cut-throat & devious that business was (and is), relative to others.

Can't agree though, that webOS is dead. They implied in the end, that Meg is just looking to unravel the whole thing and move on to something else - essentially trying to wean HP off webOS.

Trouble with that - as the story defines - Meg has been the most honest and upfront CEO in awhile, so that kinda counters her implied vision (which some will of course question). Simple fact is, if HP abandons webOS - as the2 Verge inferred - it would add to the prevailing opinion that HP doesn't know what the f@#k they're doing. If Meg wants to change that Leo-inspired persona, HP has to understand there is more at stake then just webOS. It's demise could be the tip-of-the-iceberg in this Titanic drama.

http://www.webosnation.com/analyst-downgrades-hp-over-mobile-concerns

As the (above) webOS post alluded to (and for which I gave my thoughts), HP needs to realize this isn't just about a simple part of the company that most feel has little (or no) value to the operations. This represents a symptom within HP, where it has gone from a dominant company - especially its' share value - to one that needs a home run to reignite itself.

webOS may not be that home run, but should it fail miserably, it's at-bat strikeout will leave analysts to believe that the inning is one step closer to being over.
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WebOS already failed for HP. They shut down production of everything WebOS related.

Maybe open source is some kind of win based on the huge losses they took, but it's hard to imagine how.

What's the HP revenue source of open WebOS?

"Leo already failed for HP. Leo shut down production of everything WebOS related."

FIFY

The same revenue source that Google has for Android.

It's nice that Google doesn't have to worry about Android's revenue, but the fact remains HP has got to figure out something.

If you read the Fortune article from a week or two ago they don't know what they want to be. They are printers, but that business is getting less and less profitable. They wanted to move on from computers like IBM did and be software and enterprise consulting (or something like that). That was Leo's plan, but he's gone now and that plan, which may or may not have worked is left unfinished.

HP needs to be something and webOS was potentially a start of that... a chance to be with Apple and Google. Microsoft has stepped in to join that club. It can make Windows 8 tablets like Samsung, Lenovo, Asus, Acer, and a billion other companies out there. I don't see how that's going to be the savior of the company's future.

What is Google's revenue source for Android?

If you read the article, it was clear that HP failed webOS.

Everyone (but Leo) knew that to enter the industry you can't go in a cashflow neutral product and expect to be successful. They put out product on similar hard to original iPad to compete against the market leader, iPad 2, at the same price points. Oh and it had a smaller marketing budget.

The plan should have been to grab a little market share at a time like Windows Phone is doing. You think Microsoft is making tons of money from Windows Phone? No it is like Xbox where they had to lose millions every year to keep pace with Sony. Today Xbox is profitable and doing well for Microsoft. That's the kind of thing that HP needs as its printer business shrinks and shrinks.

"webOS may not be that home run, but should it fail miserably, it's at-bat strikeout will leave analysts to believe that the inning is one step closer to being over."

If this is a baseball game, it's a Major League team that changed franchise to join the Minors, and the end of the season game is such a one-sided fight that only the locals, friends and family, and diehards are left in the stands in Inning 9... anyone without a masochistic sense of self-torture knew the game was over since Inning 6.

I'm in the stands with the rest of you. I'm one of the diehards, and I'm hoping that they can load the bases and land one more hit to go into extra innings, but with every minute that hope is fading.

With every month, more news about HP's financial problems and less news from the webOS team isn't helping our cause.

jarring article.  Some tidbits we didn't know about.  Really a sad story and being a webOS faithful from the start it is really depressing to read this but it does seem to be a honest account from sources. Have CM9 installed on Touchpad but can still dual boot for nostalgia.  There's no doubt this is the best gui interface with the cards that you slide and toss, how can the whole world not get it???? Mind-boggling
It really does seem like the end now.  I'm glad I've jumped ship to Android as of 9/2011 - seems nothing has really been acccomplished in the last 9 months of major significance.  Article quotes "sources" who are skeptical about the 9/2012 open webos deadline and who wouldn't be after all these ppl have left including mcnulty too now.
It'd be awesome if someone like cyanogenmod (Or webosinternals??) can take the good parts of webOS and create a interface for android (SImilar to Touchwiz by Samsung) to skin webOS onto android devices. 
 
 

Sliding and tossing cards only matters if the entire system works fast and bug free with useful out of the box apps that do not require anything tweaked that a non tech geek user can pick up and operate.

All the people who bought $99 Touchpads are not the customers that HP wants. Those are the I won the jackpot Coby level buyers.

I can imagine 60% of the Firesale customers having this conversation as soon as they got home out of brand confusion:
"I got me one of those HP Touch iPads!"
"Wait, that's not an iPad, only Apple makes them iPads."
"Durn it, I got hosed. How much will they go for on eBay?"
"$250"
"Now I don't feel so bad."

15% of them probably were enterprising enough to know how they were selling secondhand, so they bought what they could in bulk. It happened at our Best Buy... we were standing in line for supposedly 25 Touchpads left for the firesale, the person at the head of the line talked to the Sales Associate for 2 minutes and all of the sudden the Associate yelled to us that they have sold out. After asking around, the guy behind the man at the head of the line said that person paid over $2500 plus bought out all of the cover and power accessories for all 25 Touchpads that they had for us, despite the signs at the door saying "No Dealers".

That leaves the remaining 25% of owners left being us, or people who genuinely wanted a Touchpad on it's own merits with no intention of reselling it.

The real question is would people buy it at the real price? They didn't when released and after the first price drop.

Again, mainstreamers saw it as a failure without proof. It's not Apple, so why bother?

The failure had many facets, as has been beaten to death on here with a variety of other dead horses. Cost is one factor. Not being Apple another. Terrible marketing another. Lack of app catalog numbers another. The list keeps going.

iPad killer wasn't happening as soon as the Touchpad left the gate. Android competitor was unlikely (how do you split 11% of a market share, which is not changing despite Nook and Kindle Fire), and success wasn't going to happen without a major infusion of cash that Leo refused from the get go.

We can't shoot for success under HP. We can hope for "it works" somewhere else (i.e.: introducing , powered by WebOS, with motion gestures and voice control, now available for your Smart TV.) or on something else with the help of homebrew development. That's all we got left.

A failure without proof? There was a huge ad campaign around the launch of the Touchpad.

It didn't sell. Maybe HP took it off the market too quickly - but not unlike a major film where a film does terrible box office week one and is a footnote a month later with no advertising and the screens become a different new movie.

Any non-tech geek user can pick up and operate a TouchPad. My wife can use it a lot better than her Android phone, I'll tell you that.

And the fast and bug-free was mostly delivered 30 days later in the the 3.0.1 or 3.0.2 update. Clearly the business and marketing teams said that they had to the get the TouchPad out the door and it could have used another month of polishing.

Can't damn a product forever due to that. With the ToughPad Go coming out, it would have had all those fixes in place.

They could have released the TP Go if they wanted to when Whitman came on board. They were still tooled up for the Touchpad as well.

It's June 2012 and closing in on a year since she has been CEO. She became CEO just a month after the WebOS line was taken off the market along with all hardware.

My belief is that thinking HP sees WebOS as some kind of HP ticket to the future is projecting what they want to happen with their existing, aging hardware.

It's pretty amazing to see that people still believe WebOS not only isn't dead, but has some sort of future beyond being a niche hobbyist tinker toy.

"It's pretty amazing to see that people still believe WebOS not only isn't dead"

we are the few people who witness it firsthand.. who speak with the people literally in the center of the operations........ i mean it's no secret anyone can do it. it's definitely not dead. just hop on irc, visit the enyo forums... there's a whole team of people at hp, right now, who are literally working on webos. you don't see that for symbian. why? because symbian is dead. webos, on the other hand, is being actively developed by a paid team.

http://www.openwebosproject.org/index.html

It will be a niche hobbyist tinker toy. What's wrong with that?

Why does everything have to be the iPhone killer, or the next big thing? If that's all that people care about, why does webOS Nation have any readers at all?

(The question is rhetorical, otherwise neither of us would be reading this.)

And like the guy above said... a paid team that's still HIRING. https://hp.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobsearch.ftl?organization=40260160077 Granted, it's hard to create interest in such work, esp. when some of the homebrew community hail from Canada, UK, and Australia when the job's in Silicon Valley. And a job that might be over in September if HP can't fix it's core business soon enough.

I remember talking to a couple of the webOS Internals guys who had buddies inside Palm when I went to the NYC Dev Day, and they had basically said exactly what was said here about the early days of webOS - Luna was a pivot and what we know as webOS basically came together in less than nine months. Reading this article just reminded me of what promise webOS had and how it all felt squandered thanks to corporate politics and mishandling on all levels of management.

Tomorrow is the three year anniversary of the Pre launch, which saw myself and my dad lining up to buy the first and second Pres sold in my town. Thank you to the Palm team, for making one of the best smartphones ever created, with what limited resources you had. Though I have moved to Android and then to iOS, I still have a developer Pre 2 that I fire up from time to time and envision what could have been.

I'm surprised Dieter didn't write this one.

Because then they wouldn't be able to use his "source."

When was the last time I posted here? I can't even remember.

The verge article is great. There are a lot of good insider tid-bits in there that fill out the picture of everything we saw publicly. Unfortunately, as awful as it was, it didn't surprise me.

I have focused a lot of comments in Ruby's direction here in the past. I retract none of them. He was brilliant and foolish. So much was riding on the VZW deal. So much of what happened after happened because of that deal. He bet the farm. He lost.

It's too bad that back in 2008 they couldn't come together and get it right on the o.s. side from the get go. But, hopefully, going forward, Meg will live up to her billing and webOS will make it fully to open source. Not that I'm expecting to see it on a smartphone or tablet at Best Buy...ever. But because there are parts of webOS that are so awesome that I hope to see those ideas implemented on my next Android phone.

Oh yeah...I also hope that there's enough "patent-litigation-proof" bits of Palm i.p. in there that it will stop all the stupid lawsuits. I know, I know, wishful thinking.

in my own opinion, the touchpad is good...and the HP Pre3 is very good!!! and i would love to get a touchpad go in my hands....

when we are finally open sourced... HP should gave us the webOS for windows project as well... so we can make it a reallity... imagine... webOS in a 27-inch TouchSmart or on the HP EliteBook!!! wow!!!

it seemed that under Mark Hurd webOS was making it, not with large investments, but the path was set... they were doing the things we were told... webOS on windows... webOS printers... and then the worst thing happened to HP... the #Aphothekalypse... and he screwed it all... one thing they should have done, is that HP should released the devices in more countries or relase it the US, and if the sales were not so good, then send the devices to other countries and realease it sooner... and of course not cancelled it...

now, we have a long way to get webOS where it deserves ... and it's not going to be easy...

what happened to me:

and me, my friends, and some customer, didn't get veers, because we wanted Pre3s... as many of you guys hahaha... so we decided to wait, so i think this may low down the veer sales, as many people were witing for the pre3...

the people already had iPads... and they needed time to get rid of their tablets in order to get touchpads... at least that happened to some of my customers... 21... and then all of them told me that they already sold their ipads to get touchpads... in the week it was cancelled... i didn't knew what to do, some got angry... and just 7 decided to buy touchpads...

also i got cancelled a project for 50 touchpads for use in one of the fanciest restaurants in my city... we were developing the software also... and i fire 5 people...

and i was near to close with a very nice private school for using touchpads instead of books... imagine... 950 touchpads plus 50 spares...

and in the computer business... some factories stopped buying HP computers from me... and renewed their computers with the competitions...

and suddenly i was trapped and had to close my business, and just kept my loyal customers and a small team to get things right... but things haven't been good... the only hope i have... is that webOS will succed... and it will...

RQ

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"when we are finally open sourced... HP should gave us the webOS for windows project as well... so we can make it a reallity... imagine... webOS in a 27-inch TouchSmart or on the HP EliteBook!!! wow!!!"
 
...with no desktop-compatible apps and no qualified developers that'll invest the time and money into it to make it a realistic option since top industry names with their top-tier apps would consider it a money pit with just short of zero users. And of the apps on webOS, there'd be no guarantee they'd work without specific touch input, provided they spent the money to buy all-in-one touchscreen computers.
 
Double-wow, I guess.

I just found www.bluestacks.com the other day. Basically an Android emulator for your desktop. I've been playing around with it, here and there, and although obviously you can't use all apps that are available.....ie things that require accelerometers, or compasses....there's still a lot of apps that you can use. I think it isn't a bad representation of what webOS could be like on a PC. Of course it isn't the same as on a tablet, but interesting nonetheless.

If i were to guess i think any the open webos release in September will be wildly overshadowed by what by then will be rampant rumors of October launched iphone 6, which will likely have a redesigned hardware and possibly changes to ios.

-- iPhone 4XX, 5, or "The New iPhone"
-- Windows Phone 8, Windows 8 releases.
-- Possible Android 4.X/5.0 release in Q4 2012
-- Blackberry 10

This fall is actually a horrible time to release it. If the team doesn't experience delays, the above four reasons alone may push it to 2013.

Today, June 6 2012, is the 3 year anniversary of the launch of the Palm Pre on Sprint. (The Verge article got the date wrong saying it was June 5th).

I remember being in line outside the Sprint store that day camped out with my wife on lawn chairs at 5am, and the high level of excitement in the crowd. Ok, there were like 15 of us, but it felt like a crowd. My wife and I still have our Palm Pres today, but they are showing their age in so many ways now.

Four of the five firesale TouchPads that I bought for the wife and kids are running Android now, and I am now looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S3 running Android ICS.

I will really miss my Pre and webOS. :-(

I was one of the first people to get a Google Nexus One, at the time Android was tiny but open source, yes they had OEM supoprt and Carrier support as the HTC Hero was a masive sucess here in the UK.

I am fully aware that HP will probably not build any webOS devices due to all the lay offs, i have a Touchpad and Pre 3 and my friends are amazed with both of them and find they cool, but the build quailty lets them down a little compared to my friends iPhone and Droids.

My personal opinion on what HP are doing, since Samsung has decdied to take up the Tizen project as a 3rd OS then maybe somone will gamble on using webOS especially when it comes open source. Will anyone? Probably not but i do hope so! Why, well one reason and one reason only Apps! The lack of app support has made webOS less attractive to the normal person.

In the artical above a variety of decisions, some made by Palm/HP some made by Carriers stopped webOS being a success.

Everything is all ifs and buts but my pain point here is webOS is by far a superior OS even my friends agree, Android did start off small as everything does and its greatest success was it was open source. HP are more than likely hoping that they can follow what Google did with Android, with webOS.

Adding to the fact that Google have aquired Motorola (5 year promise to keep it open source, should send alarm bells rinigng in other OEMs) Nokia working so closely with Windows and Apple .. well just being apple... other OEMs like HTC, LG, and possibly Sony could take up webOS. I wouldnt put it past a new and upcoming Chinese company to gamble on webOS when it comes open source maybe ZTE or Huawei?

I believe in open webOS! And though it has died the way we all know it hopefully in the future it will flourish in the hands of many!

I have spent too much time reflecting on everything in the past that "could have been", so I won't spare much more time on webOS. The situation boils down to this: Apps are king. Developers don't have time to support platforms that have no marketshare (and even the most ardent webOS fan has to admit that it never had a significant marketshare even at its height), and thus won't support webOS from this point. One of the main reasons I decided to open my eyes and move on is that Netflix never appeared on this platform. If Netflix (and Pizza Hut and Tom Tom, etc) couldn't be bothered to come out with an app even at the height of webOS' popularity (with the "full might" of HP and Palm breathing down their necks), do you expect them to now? They never will. And new gee-whizz bang, up-and-coming sites certainly won't either. Instagram? Fuhgedaboutit.

Although we have a fairly large number of high-quality third-party apps that provide some of this functionality, I can guarantee you that the vast majority of these developers were only in it for the money (not that there's anything wrong with that), and they have already moved on. How many apps no longer work? I've seen quite a few. How many are now unsupported and will likely fail in the near future when web-hosted API calls are changed? Probably a great many.

So, we don't have many big name apps, we have apps that have failed or will fail, and developers who have largely split for more profitable pastures. And we no longer have manufacturers making hardware for webOS (at least configured with it out of the box).

The only thing the webOS Internals guys can do at this point is port webOS to "alien hardware". Unless they can literally create a scenario where an Android, iPhone or Windows Phone user can simply plug their phone into their PC and can install webOS as a dual-boot option merely by double-clicking a Windows (or Mac) installer and answering a few simple questions, webOS will only ever be a hobbyist operating system going forward. If webOS Internals somehow pulls off that feat, some developers might consider supporting webOS, but likely only those that have already created apps for the platform and know the framework.

What's the point of supporting webOS now? I love the way webOS works, but the writing is on the wall. I think Microsoft has the best "big picture" platform at this point: Simplified operating system for the masses with backward compatibility (Windows 8), an identical operating system for tablets and Ultrabooks, and a near-identical operating system for phones. And there are indications that Windows Phone will be able to run Windows 8 apps (or be able to host them with only minor modifications). Think about that. Wouldn't you want to be able to run ALL your favorite apps on ALL your favorite devices, all with the same consistent user interface? Don't you think developers will want to jump on this bandwagon considering the marketshare Windows has?

I still love webOS' multitasking prowess, so I think the best thing to do (in my humble opinion) is to badger Microsoft into adding better multitasking to Windows Phone and keep using your webOS devices for what they can do until they breathe their last gasp.

By the way, I disagree with a post above regarding the quality of software for webOS. I still think, despite only having around 6,000 apps, it still has a better selection of quality software than Windows Phone. From what I've seen, about 95 percent of Windows Phone apps are sheer crap. But, Microsoft has Netflix and Pizza Hut, and more are on the way...

I heard 3Q for openmobile to create a way for android apps to run on cards so the precious Netflix will come to webOS.

We have not even heard the beginnings of Windows reaction to the new platform. I just read yesterday that win8 only runs one app full screen. I can't imagine doing work that way so I imagine corporations will balk and consumers will find a way to install the old windows just as they did with XP when Vista fizzled. That leaves windows for mobile which some will like and others will stay with apple/google whatever. In the meantime google buying quickoffice will put pressure on microsoft also to release an office app for ipad.

This saga is far from over...

Android apps are haphazard when run on stock Android (think incompatibilities, force-closes); do you think they'll run better in an emulator? A better approach would be to create another skin for Android (like Sense or Touchwiz) that emulates webOS. At least you get a full-Android experience.

As to Windows, yes, it's still a big question as to adoption, but I like this Paul Thurrott post that explains how he thinks Microsoft's big gamble will pay off:

http://www.winsupersite.com/article/metro/microsoft-windows-metro-ui-143350

Developers will go where the money is, and once Microsoft reveals the goodness of Windows Phone 8, it's a done deal. I think. We'll see. I really wanted webOS to take off. I bought the Pre Plus, the TouchPad and all the accessories. I participated on this site, I posted questions to the podcast guys and eagerly awaited each podcast like it was a new Star Trek episode, but enough is enough. Having said that, I bid you adieu and good luck...

Addendum: Sorry, I forgot to mention that you can "front" at least 2 apps in Metro - a larger one that takes up about 80 percent of the screen real estate, and a smaller one "docked" to the left hand side. Not ideal for power-users, I admit, but Microsoft will probably come up with a solution for this. If not, it's not a deal-breaker. Just alt-tab like you already do.

Over time I think apps will die for HTML 5. This is what many in the industry have predicted. It just doesn't make sense for Pizza Hut (or the company it outsources to make apps) to make different apps for Windows Mobile, Android, and iOS. It's easier to just say, "Go to PizzaHut.com." That is the app.

Netflix doesn't technically need its own app. They do it simply because of the copy protection that Hollywood requires. Actually, Netflix already works with HTML5 - http://techblog.netflix.com/2010/12/why-we-choose-html5-for-user.html. This would be an extremely port for them to do with webOS. They probably aren't doing it for the same reason that Hulu blocks webOS when we know that it works - they want money from the companies to support it.

Too bad HP did sell webOS to Google :-( In article it mentioned that HP was in end considering a sale to Google and that Apple was also bidding in effort to raise the sale price. However it seems that HP didn't want to sell whatever IP it had in webOS and Palm to google. Too bad because at least google might have done something with it rather then just let it die at HP. Heck most of the engineer went to google anyway it seems.... In retrospect it was smart for Google not to buy because they basically got all the talent free anyway....

I wouldn't say "free"... Mathias and the Enyo team still draw from Google's payroll.

If open webOS is finished in September, then it's free even for Apple and Google to draw from. Of course, the bitch about the GPL is that anything you make from it gets the same license, of course. :D

It may be the end for webOS....

but it will be the beginning for Open webOS!

fascinating read....

now waiting for the final axe to drop in July.