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by hparsons Thu, 22 Apr 2010 9:34 am EDT

Herb Parsons checks in with an excellent review of Outline Tracker for webOS!

One of the things I've missed on my Palm Pre is is a good ToDo list. As long time users of Palm devices are well aware, our calendar integrated Tasks from the PalmOS is gone on the Pre, and was replaced with ... well, not much really. The Tasks application that comes with the Pre and Pixi seems a bit anemic at best. With limited features and little to no integration with other apps, it's become one of the "forgotten features" of my Pre. After 7 months, it looks like patience may have finally paid off for those of us looking and waiting for something more. Outline Tracker from Hominid Software (also available in a free version) will be a welcome relief for many WebOS users.

 

Don't let the "outline" moniker fool you; if you've been looking for a ToDo program, a Tasks list, or even a Project Management application, this is likely an app that will be of interest to you. In short, it's a simple way for people to organize and present their thoughts and plans.

I had previously been a big fan of Brainforest for the PalmOS, working through several iterations and using both the mobile version on my Treo and the desktop application on my Windows PC. When Outline Tracker first appeared on the App Catalog, it struck me that it looked vaguely like my old friend from PalmOS days. I was ready to jump, then saw the price tag = $23.50. I was hesitant to spend that much on a program I wasn't familiar with, from a publisher that I also was not familiar with. I traded a few emails with the author, and found that he was working on a limited trial version, and that he was partially inspired by my old friend Brainforest. I initially planned on waiting for the trial version, but the more I looked at features, the more I felt this program would work for me. I finally decided I'd taken bigger risks before, so I bit the bullet and spent the $23.50. It was definitely the right move for me.

Integration with WebOS

As stated earlier, don't dismiss this program because of the name. Yes, at its core, it is an outline program; but because the author added additional settings to the items in the outlines, it can be used for much more. Any entry can have a date setting, either "all day" or with a specific time set. An entry can also be set as a task. If set as a task, in addition to the date and time settings, the task can have a "place" set (more on this below), person responsible for completion, and a check tick to show whether it has been completed. Finally, any entry can have subordinate entries.

These added settings are what make the app a multifunction tool. Using a combination of the settings, the app can be used for something as simple as a Christmas list, or as complex as a project management tool with collaboration through the cloud. In between are tasks lists that only show the next item when a required task is complete, traditional outlines, and even categorized notes. I set up one "location" as Random Thoughts, and use that for categorizing small notes when I'm stuck in traffic. The possibilities are almost endless, and can be as simple or as complex as the user desires.

One of the things that impressed me with Outline Tracker is that it is truly a WebOS application. I always like a program that has small, but well thought out touches. For instance, when I added my Basecamp account and entered my login credentials, instead of just telling me it was unsuccessful, the application asked me if I had enabled API within Basecamp (I hadn't) then provided me the steps to do so. Task responsibilities are color coded so it can easily be seen which ones you, or someone else, are responsible for. But the author has gone beyond simple added touches, and incorporated a host of WebOS features into the application. Add a subordinate item to an existing one, and the small blue square becomes a large blue square. Expand an item with subordinates to show them, and the blue square becomes a stack of blue squares, and does it with very smooth animation. Collapse it, and the smooth animation returns the stacked squares into a single square. Nice. In addition, the interface is large, easy to select items, and flows well. Especially nice for my aging eyes.

Further WebOS integration shows up in other features. The app itself shows up as a Calendar source, so items with a date and time show up on the Calendar at the appropriate time, and tasks with a date but no set time show up as all day events. If a task needs to be completed by someone else, you can select that person from your contact list. Later, when checking under the Waiting category, you can tap that person's name, and the person's Contacts page comes up so you can text, call, or email them. Again, nice.

I also like the "hidden superior" feature. If I make one task a subordinate of another, the "superior" task doesn't initially show up on my task list. When the task is marked complete, the next task up the list auto-magically appears. I'll say it again, nice.

Finally, there's the cloud. What WebOS application would be complete without the cloud? An additional feature of Outline Tracker is that it's set up out of the box... OK, out of the OTA, to work with your account on 37Signal's Basecamp web-based project collaboration tool. I can't speak to how well the application integrates, since I wasn't a Basescamp user before I got the application, but it appears to be very functional. It also gave my wife and I a cloud solution to tasks & memos (see the Basecamp note below). Even though Outline Tracker works over the air with Basecamp, the data is all stored locally. If you don't have a network connection at the time of an edit, changes are saved then uploaded later.

Basecamp allows a single project multi-user account for free. I set up an account that my wife and I use with a single project - Shared. We can put tasks, shopping lists, birthday lists (with notes), etc. in the single never-ending "project", and we now have a very nice tasks system that lives in the cloud. She's happy - though I'm still wondering what I've done...

You can "get things done" on your Pre or Pixi now as well. I'd be remiss without mentioning that the author designed much of the functionality of Outline Tracker around David Allen's Getting Things Done® methodology. Hominid even has a web page describing functions within Outline Tracker that matches (or can be substituted for) GTD® methodologies.

Shortcomings

Obviously, no program is perfect. I was initially very disappointed that there was no desktop program to work in conjunction with the app. Two things have mitigated this for me to a large degree. First, the program uses a standards based XOXO format; and I'm hoping to find an existing application that uses the same format, or to see one created. Secondly, as mentioned earlier, the interface design makes it very easy to use - easier than I initially thought it would be. I may just discover that I don't need a desktop program.

I have two other major issues. You currently cannot drag and drop items to reorder them; though the author has said that will be a feature coming in the future. Also, there is no integration with more "mainstream" PIMs (Google and Outlook). I'm not so sure this one will be as easily overcome, but it would be nice.

There are a host of other small issues as well; alarms and notifications would be nice, I'd like checked items to not show on the calendar, but these are minor to me and probably amount to polish more than anything else. I suspect as the application is used and Hominid receives feedback, we'll see these improvements.

Price

One final note about the price. At $23.50, this is (currently) the second most expensive application in the App Catalog. I was briefly put off, but that was more because the price was from an unknown (to me) author, rather than the actual expense. The price is less than the lowest fee for one month of the Bascamp subscription. I also paid much more than this for my PalmOS copy of Brainforest, and Outline Tracker is far more functional. Finally, in spite of the current "$1 throwaway app" environment, WebOS users have to come to terms with the fact that if we want quality business apps, we are going to have to pay for them. I feel the application was worth the price, even though it's ultimately going to to cost me twice as much, since I'll be buying a copy for my wife. I think most users looking for this type of program will feel the program is worth the price and fills the need nicely.

Here are some related websites readers may want check out:

Outline Tracker - http://www.outlinetracker.com

Basecamp - http://basecamphq.com

David Allen's Getting Things Done® - http://www.davidco.com/

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Update: Outline Tracker's developer let us know that drag-to-rearrange is coming very soon.

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19 Comments

Nice review HP will give it serious consideration.

Thanks for the review. I've been in desperate need of a real implementation of Tasks (and probably Notes) since getting a Pre on launch day. Unfortunately, I absolutely require integration with Outlook, and strongly prefer integration with Exchange/EAS so I guess I'll have to keep looking. I'm waiting for WebOS 1.4 to drop before I pony up the arm and leg for Chapura.

Thanks again!

Does the calender in the month view retain the color coding with this software? Love to have alarms in it.

Personally, this app is not worth $23.50 to me

I'm tremendously impressed with this application. It's well thought out, and Mr. Parsons's review is right on the money.

Thanks for the review. I did purchase, and like the app so far. I agree Drag and drop would be a significant improvement. By the way, there is a personal Basecamp plan for $12/month - 3 projects 1gb...

The cost does seem high, but if the company continues to grow the application, and upgrades are free, I would expect it to be worth it over the product life.

It would be great if you could have GPS enabled locations!

I'll download a free trial for sure, but looking at the specs I can't see how it would be better than Gqueues, which is the closest I've found to a workable to-do list on the Pre. GQ feautres drag-and-drop, desktop access, cloud collaboration with shared users (great for family lists), and google cal synch. Oh and the price is $23.50 and GQ is FREE. The one benefit I can see is this is a true app with offline access instead of a browser access, but still...$24?

I downloaded the free version of Outline Tracker, but ended up deleting it for several reasons.

1) The $23.50. Now, if I really liked the app, I'd just buck up and purchase it - except - to make it work properly I'd need to subscribe (monthly) to Basecamp, meaning the end cost will then wind up being much more than what gave me sticker-shock to begin with.

2) The interface is, IMO, too large. I'm constantly scrolling up and down to see the next task.

3) The set-up, again IMHO, is too confusing. I'm a GTD fan, and I've come up with my own easier-to-remember names for some of Allen's categories, so then to learn yet another term for these ideas is too much. Like I say, this is JMO.

4) The Cloud. Count me as one user who is not comfortable with this computing solution. And - sorry, but for a native app I find it unnecessary. I confess I can't understand this: the Pre has the memory, it has the power; why can't all my info be all right here in my hand?

5) No Sort-by-My-Order. I'm no developer, but is there a reason why drag-and-drop is so difficult to write in?

6) No checks-marks! Yes, hparsons is right, you can check off a completed item, but that all-important mark is way off to the right, and the check doesn't show up on the list of Tasks. That means, when looking over my list once or twice weekly, I have to stop, go into this particular task and verify that, yes, it really was done. I admit it, I can't even trust my brain to remember checking off a completed task (and that explains why I'm using a List in the first place). But, besides which, completed To-Dos are so very comforting to review at the end of the day. :)

So, in the end, I'm still waiting for my perfect To-Do program. Until then, the Pre's Tasks and Fliq Tasks will have to suffice.

Your points 1 and 4 are void. You didn

Thanks for the excellent review. Sounds like something that might be worth $23.50.

I would actually like to see more apps that cost $10+ as those apps provide a level of functionality and refinement that's typically not found in free apps.

I'm a long-standing user of Toodledo, which is a robust GTD webapp. Recently, I started syncing Toodledo using NuevaSync. Toodledo looks much better on my PC than on the Pre but integrates directly with the Pre's Tasks app.

I haven't found a way to categorize my tasks, and, once the 5 day trial period is over, one has to sign up for NuevaSync's premium service, which is $25/year.

Outline Tracker sounds like a great alternative, but it would take a lot to lure me away from Toodledo. I would have liked the review to have some screen shots of how things look on the Basecamp side.

In any event, thanks for opening my eyes to another option!

"As long time users of Palm devices are well aware, our calendar integrated Tasks from the PalmOS is gone on the Pre, and was replaced with ... well, not much really."

I am incredibly frustrated by this. My ancient Treo300 (and every PalmOS phone since) had better calendar and task integration than my Pre. That Treo 300 came out EIGHT YEARS AGO!

I have no idea if Outline Tracker is a good program or not. It looks pretty good. But we shouldn't need something like this to get simple task integration into our calendars. Could someone at Palm please grab a clue on this? They have done so many things so right. But this is completely inexcusable.

Great review! I've been looking for an App to do this, and was even planning on how one might work in case I had to get someone to write one. Not sure if I want to jump on it right away due to the cost.

Would appreciate if you can specify what the limitations are for the free version... but I guess that I can do that for myself.

i'm using Pocket Mirror Tasks (by Chapura) and yes it needs a sync program installed, but it is not necessary to sync with anyplace.

It does not integrate with any other program in the pre, but it does its job nicely... with alarms and snooze choice, priority, multiple categories and notification icon.

I thought in trying Outline Tracker, but in the small time i have been using Pocket MIrror, i've been terribly used to hear the alarm for all those tasks i have that day.
All in all, i liked the sub-tasks funcionality you described, and maybe i'll try Ouline Tracker...

Well, Tasks it is one of my 4 always-open cards (phone, calendar, tasks and contacts)

Yet another task/ToDo app that has no alarms for reminding you when to get a task done. I'm sure this app is useful for some, but I don't understand a ToDo list app that can't remind you to *Do* something on your To Do list.

There are times when I want to be reminded of doing something but that something is so trivial (like, "toss a screwdriver in my backpack next time I am at home) that I don't want to shedule a start and end time and have it show up as a busy 30 seconds on my calendar. Something I miss from my Windows Mobile phone.

I have been experimenting with the free version of Outline Tracker and the free version of Basecamp. So far - very impressed and encouraged that it will fill the gap left by Palm regarding tasks and memos. I do not believe the cost of Outline Tracker is unjustified, but was concerned that the monthly cost of Basecamp was prohibitive until I realized that the free version of Basecamp would suffice for now (although limited to one project, you can have an unlimited number of to-do lists and "messages" within the single project - I use messages for memos)

Outline Tracker 1.4.0 lets you drag and drop items in the outline to re-arrange them. It should be available at the end of this week, or the beginning of next week.

I had a dream to make my own organization, but I didn't have enough of cash to do that. Thank heaven my colleague recommended to utilize the loan. Thus I used the auto loan and made real my old dream.

I myself love this app and have no qualms with the price. I tried the trial first and was totally hooked when most of the features stopped and had no choice but purchase it immediately.

the improvements that are possible with all the new features available to developers in the new 2.0 sdk have me really excited about this app. If he get's on it right away he will have a good head start on a lot of the new apps he will soon be competing against. Right now on WebOS he has no competition. Nothing else even close really.

I don't use (or need) the basecamp. I love the calendar integration although I wish clicking on the events in the calendar allowed me to edit them (or at least mark them complete). I also with it integrated better with the contacts, or at least brought in more than their name (phone # at least). I think i wrote a review in the forum somewhere.