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Review: White 1.5GHz HP TouchPad 57

by Derek Kessler Tue, 01 Nov 2011 8:18 pm EDT

Design:
Look at your black TouchPad. Imagine the plastic back being white. Tada.

Feel:
Pick up your TouchPad. Same shape. Same weight. Same so-so build quality and body flex.

 

7

out of 10

Performance:
The extra processor oomph barely benefits the expereience.

Quality:
Bang for your buck, it's hard to justify a purhcase of the White TouchPad. It's only marginally better when it should be worlds better.

The HP TouchPad, but in white with more speed. Kinda.


   The Good


The white case isn't a giant display for your fingerprints. And it's faster, by a bit. Most of the time...

   The Bad


If you thought the Pre3 was rare, you should try finding one of these. Desipte the extra processing power there's very little added benefit.

   The Conclusion


Many complaints were lodged about the performance of the original HP TouchPad with its 1.2GHz processor. Subsequent updates to webOS have smoothed over many of those issues, making webOS a generally pleasant experience on the TouchPad. Offering only more storage, 25% more theoretical processing power, and a different color, it's hard to justify the existence of the white TouchPad, let alone purchasing one.

Inside this review...

Background

Hardware

Binning

Performance

White

Conclusion

First, a bit of background

There was a decent set of products in the pipeline when HP decided to pull the plug on webOS hardware development. Ready for release – in fact actually kinda-sorta available in Europe – were the HP Pre3 and the 1.5GHz HP TouchPad in white. Further down was the HP TouchPad Go, a 7-inch shrunken-in-the-dryer version of the bigger 10-inch TouchPad. Today we’re going to take a look at the 1.5GHz TouchPad, which packs 25% more processor oomph and double the storage space of the closest comparable widely-available TouchPad, but in a slick (literally and figuratively) white shell.

The White TouchPad (how we’re going to refer to this one through this review) was inexplicably made available in France the day before HP dropped their webOS bombshell, and also popped up briefly in the store of a US-based reseller. The released quantity is hard to pin down, but we’d have to put it somewhere in the hundreds of units, certainly less than a thousand.

There are likely tens of thousands of these sitting in a warehouse somewhere, never to see the light of day. That leaves only one place to secure one: eBay. When the White TouchPad was available through retail (for a day), it was priced at $599, a full $100 over the then-discounted retail price of the 32GB TouchPad (which itself was a $100 more than the 16GB version). We’re not entirely sure how it happened, but a good number of White TouchPads have ended up on eBay, with a going price usually around $450. If you want a 64GB TouchPad, you’re going to have to turn to auction to get one.

Hardware

The hardware is where things are really different for the White TouchPad. It ships with what is for all intents and purposes the exact same version of webOS as is available for its dark-shelled brothers. There are precisely three recognizable differences between the White TouchPad and the Black TouchPads: the 64GB of storage space (compared to 32GB or 16GB), the 1.5GHz dual-core Qualcomm APQ8060 processor (as opposed to 1.2GHz), and that fact that it’s white and not black.

The 9.7-inch display is for all intents and purposes the same across the entire TouchPad line-up. But as those who might have multiple TouchPads may have noticed, there are differences. Our White TouchPad has both a slightly stronger backlight across the brightness slider and the colors seemed slightly warmer (less blue, more yellow – barely) than our black 32GB TouchPad. But those same screen differences have been observed between set of 16GB and 32GB TouchPads – it’s a side effect of having multiple manufacturers providing display panels. Even with the two TouchPads sitting right next to each other we had to really look to see the differences, it’s certainly something we couldn’t adequately capture with a camera.

The White TouchPad is the only model available with a range-topping 64GB of storage, and 64GB for storage is the only option configuration for the White TouchPad. Funny how that works. So what does 64GB of storage bring to the table? 32GB more than was available before. So there’s more space for your eclectic collection of music and movies. That’s it. More space.

Considering that you’d be hard-pressed to fill up even the 16GB TouchPad with content available from the App Catalog (unless you’re pulling down several movies from the HP Movie Store), if you’re needing 64GB of storage for your tablet it’s because of the content you’re loading onto it from your computer. That said, if/when we go flying with the White TouchPad, we’ll appreciate being able to have a large on-device catalog of music, books, and movies on hand should we be feeling indecisive about what to watch/read/listen to.

Binning

If you’re a webOS junkie like we are, you might have noticed something in our introduction: the beating heart of the White TouchPad is a 1.5GHz dual-core Qualcomm APQ8060 processor. “Wait,” you say, “Isn’t the APQ8060 the same processor that’s in the other TouchPads? It thought it was clocked at 1.2GHz...”

You’re 100% right. But how can the same processor, right down to the model number, be 1.2GHz in one tablet and 1.5GHz in the other? It comes down to a practice called “binning.”

Binning is the process where a manufacturer tests their product’s performance, in this case Qualcomm testing processors, and sorts them based on the results. The APQ8060 was designed to run at 1.5GHz, but due to variances in the manufacturing process not all of the chips were able to measure up to that lofty computing target. So those that didn’t do so hot were sorted into a low-performers bin, slapped with a 1.2GHz sticker, and sold at a cheaper price. They’re at the very least guaranteed to be capable of 1.2Ghz, but 1.5Ghz isn’t a promise. This is exactly the same process that gave the world crappy Intel Celeron chips – they were brain-damaged Pentium chips.

That’s not to say that the 1.2Ghz APQ8060 in your black TouchPad is a slouch. It just could never live up to its full potential. Well, at least that’s what the testing said, many of you have been able to overclock your TouchPads to 1.5Ghz with no issue. In fact, very few that have attempted the overclock have encountered stability issues that should be exhibited by a processor that was binned for defects.

Of course, a chip maker like Qualcomm is going to be cautious about binning – any hint that the chip can’t stand up to the pressure is going to get it thrown into the not-perfect-but-salvageable bin. Releasing a bunch of chips clocked and labeled at 1.5Ghz that aren’t fully capable of reaching that benchmark would result in this thing we call “consumer backlash”, first against HP and then against Qualcomm. Everybody looses, hence binning.

Performance

The fact that the older black TouchPads can be brought on par with the processing speed of the White TouchPad somewhat diminishes the value proposition of the more powerful processor. Then again, if the black TouchPad processors were binned for being able to achieve a minimum of 1.2Ghz, then it stands to reason that the 1.5GHz top on the White TouchPad is the minimum performance level of that bin of APQ8060s. It’s entirely reasonable to assume that these TouchPads are capable of being overclocked beyond that threshold and far beyond the capabilities of the lowly 1.2GHz chips.

But we’re going to look at this from the stock perspective. Without any patches or overclocking kernels, what does that extra 300MHz get you? In theory, the White TouchPad should be about 25% faster than the black versions. Apps should load faster, games should play smoother, and everything should simply be more like buttered kittens.

In practice... not quite so much. Even though the White TouchPad outscores our 32GB TouchPad in Lithium Benchmark HD, 111 to 121 (lower scores are better), and firing up Govnah and looking at the processor activity revealed that it was indeed running at up to 1.512GHz (the two processor cores run dynamically at different speeds – it takes a lot to get both cranking at a full 100%), in reality the performance difference between the two was practically moot.

Overall the White TouchPad was faster in practically all areas. Apps usually loaded faster (though occasionally just-as-fast), web content render more quickly, and frame rates were generally higher across all aspects of the OS (especially evident when swiping between launcher pages). The extra 300MHz really shined when working with the built-in Enyo apps like the App Catalog and Email – they worked noticeably smoother than on the 1.2Ghz TouchPad.

Inexplicably, there was some trouble in paradise. Both our TouchPads were running the exact same build of webOS – 3.0.4 77 – and were syncing with the same background apps and Synergy accounts. But yet the White TouchPad was sometimes notably slower for no good reason. Lightweight Enyo apps would occasionally take a full second or more longer to load than on the 1.2GHz TouchPad, and PDK apps often took longer to launch. Once the apps were open everything was hunky dory, with the White TouchPad responding faster and offering better framerates in intensive 3D games like Need For Speed and Asphalt 6.

Where things really had us scratching our heads was the boot-up time – the black 32GB 1.2GHz TouchPad consistently clocked in at 1 minute 25 seconds, while the White TouchPad with its 1.5GHz processor consistently took 7 seconds longer. We’re not computer engineers here, but we can fathom how 32GB more storage to scan might make for longer boot times, but on the flipside of that coin this tablet has 25% more processing power to execute those commands.

This isn’t really a big deal, but it is a head scratcher. What’s more of a head scratcher are the stability issues we’ve had with this TouchPad. Our older 32GB TouchPad has been running for weeks longer than this one, has had several patches installed and removed, and was generally well-used and seasoned by the time we got around to testing the White TouchPad. Logic says that the longer you use something, the greater a chance you run of it breaking down. Yet, it was the White TouchPad that exhibited more signs of instability, despite having more processing power at its back and being new to the game.

What sort of instability? We’ll preface this by saying that our black 1.2GHz TouchPad has been a trooper and generally only required a restart when we were tinkering with things. The White TouchPad, however, well it’s not quite the Boy Scout. It had the distinct tendency to randomly decide not to be responsive in strange ways. In fact, during our boot speed testing it once just plain refused to shut down through traditional measures. It had been freshly booted and would launch any app you wanted, but wouldn’t shut down. It’s an issue we’ve never encountered on any other TouchPad we’ve touched (power + volume force killed the TouchPad).

Even more weird were the audio quirks we encountered. There was the well-documented and workaround-ready Pulse Audio restart issue, where the audio just goes silent and you have to restart the Pulse Audio service to get things noisy again. That’s nothing new, even if our other TouchPad never had the issue. What was new happened just as often (which is to say three or four times during our two weeks of testing): the White TouchPad’s speakers would sound as if they were shorting, putting out crackling audio severely lacking in bass. A device restart would solve this one. It’s weird and aggravating to know that this higher-end TouchPad just simply isn’t as good as our older and supposedly less-capable 32GB TouchPad.

White

In here we could insert the entirety of TiPb’s excellent review of the 2011 iPod Touch update: “It comes in white now” and call it a day. But we won’t, because there’s more to say about the White TouchPad’s whiteness. Only the plastic backing of the TouchPad is white – the glass bezel around the screen is still black and the buttons and speaker grills are still dark chrome (though more clearly so against the white case).

We weren’t too keen on the white, especially since it’s still the same plastic as before, but we’ve taken to it. The white-and-black motif between the front and back gives this TouchPad some visual interest, plus helps it really stand out in a crowd. Somehow it looks classy, like a tablet in a suit. This classiness is only amped up when you slip the White TouchPad into one of HP’s matte black folio cases. Sure, it’s swaddled in black again, but now the white almost serves as an accent, peaking out along the speaker edge, USB port, headphone jack, and a surprisingly interesting narrow line between the black glass and the black case.

There’s one massive advantage to the white over the black. It’s seriously mind-blowing how much better then shiny White TouchPad is over its glossy black counterparts in this department. It’s just as much of a fingerprint and skin oil magnet, but you can’t see it. The show-everything nature of the black TouchPads is the primary reason we keep it in the folio case at all times (though there is the argument for protecting what is now a sold-out collector’s item). We might qualify as anal retentive when it comes to our shiny gadgets, but we know we’re not alone in saying that having our favorite devices showing our fingerprints after just a few minutes of use drives us crazy.

It’s one thing for a Pre or Veer – you can just wipe it on a pant leg (or the inside of your pocket) to take off the fingerprints on the screen. But a tablet? You look pretty silly rubbing that on your lap. The black screen is still just as fingerprint attracting, but that white back just doesn’t show it. To see the results of your sticky fingers you really have to put a White TouchPad it under a light and look at it at an angle.

Speaking of the Veer, these two were made for each other. They both come in white, and if the Veer were to ever receive a webOS update to enable Touch-to-Share it'd be the perfect companion. Alas, that's not looking likely to happen.

Everything else

If we didn’t cover it in this review, there’s a reason: we covered it in our downright epic review of the original TouchPad or the webOS 3.0.2 and webOS 3.0.4 updates. Go read those for the full skinny on everything else.

Conclusion

It’s White. It’s faster (kind of) and it can fit more. But is it worth venturing onto eBay and paying $300 more than what the next-step-down TouchPad last sold for at retail? In all honesty, no. The White TouchPad is a collector’s device, and oddity that barely saw the light of day. It’s not as rare as a Foleo or TouchPad Go, but it’s also not as alluringly interesting as those. It’s a step better than the TouchPads that came before it, with its only true claims to fame being white and relatively scarce.

The stability issues and not improved build quality of the White TouchPad actually lowered this one a notch in our books. It could have been markedly better than the older TouchPads. It should have been. But it’s not. The fact that so many TouchPads have been overclocked to 1.5Ghz and beyond without issue further diminishes the White’s luster.

It’s not quite a white elephant, but we’re not sure a White TouchPad is worth the cost either.

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57 Comments

The tablet that will never hit stores. Good going hp. You managed to kill off the thing you spent 1.2 billion on!

Low sales did that. They spent far, FAAAAAR past the $1.2 billion between ad buys, manufacturing, R&D, paid Twitter positions, sponsorship of Lady Gaga, etc.

To put it in perspective, there are many people on this very forum - all of whom are ostensibly BIG fans of WebOS - who are unwilling to pay the $250-$300 going eBay rates for a tablet that retailed for twice as much just weeks ago, and are instead begging for a "kindly" WebOS owner to sell it to them for just above the firesale price (or praying for an HP backorder to be filled).

Now, if so many people here don't think it's worth a 50 percent discount, why would the market be any more receptive?

this is a VERY valid point. I know some people where lucky and go them VERY cheap but that doesn't mean it's still not worth a few hundred. The only reason I wouldn't pay 300 is the same reason I didn't pay 500, cause I couldn't afford it. I suppose you could make a case that the lack of commitment to future support from HP right now devalues the hardware a lot.

So they should have focused on getting the pre3 out.

Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $500-$600 for a tablet. Especially one that is a step backwards in many instances from the older WebOS builds (enyo vs. mojo). I can get a fully functioning LAPTOP that I can do ANYTHING I WANT with for less than that!

So, they can't make a profit on a pricepoint lower than that? Then they should have focused on the phones.

They did. In case you didn't notice, although AT&T and Verizon agreed to sell the Pre 3, they dragged their feet on release and seemed rather unwilling to promote it.

The Pre 3 just felt like old news the moment it was announced. Remember when Jon Rubinstein pulled it out on Feb. 9 and said Meet the Pre 3!", and the reaction was silence and grumbling? Then, he said..."C'mon...yeah! It's okay!" and finally got some polite applause.

There's something to be said for the immediate, visceral reaction your flagship device produces. If that's the one you receive, you screwed up.

The Veer....a horrible Jon Rubinstein idea that should have been killed in the design lab.

I agree to a lot of that. The Veer isn't a bad phone and out of desperation I got one on AT&T. But it's size is just odd and ... well, you know, girly... or something like that...

When Ruby made that announcement there should have been 2 phones Pre3 and Pre4 (a slab iphone look alike) and they should have been released on June 1, a month before touchpad on July 1.

I think then there'd have been a lote of excitement. I still would have gone for Pre3 because I love the form factor but most of the webOS fans don't.

I love the veer - i like the pre3 more, but that's more out of feeling like a man lol.. I felt the veer was more for younger people (12 to 15) should have been promoted that way.

I also agree that the Pre3 should have been out well before the touchpad.

It was promoted to young people. They thought it sucked too. Face it, it was stupid all around.

To intro anything but a slab form factor was idiotic. Even then, they would have been hard pressed to see any success given the what little they did to advance webOS. And they spent next to nothing on ecosystem, core services, or luring big name third party apps.

You can't really pinpoint the mess on any one thing HP did. It was just a lack of commitment all around.

yeah, because marketing the Veer w/ chicks in tight t-shirts going from city to city was totally for 12 year olds..

that device should have been on between cartoon commercials.

no 12 year old would have thought the veer sucked, because every 12 year old I see is walking around w/ a piece of Junk... Maybe the 12 year olds' you know all have mommies n daddies buying them iphones.. but not the ones I know.

Jerrdan
Thank you for bringing up an excellent point. I completely agree with you that the people who supposedly support this OS do not really support it. They are not willing to buy anything that isn't free. I can not believe that people will not buy a nice tablet such as this for $250.00 but are willing to pay $200 for a phone every year, it makes no sense! This community give apps zero stars just because the app will not download? unbelievable. I love my touchpad and I did pay the original price. HP may have dropped the ball but everyone, including the Webos supporters believed everything the Apple paid tech reviewers said about the TP. HP is not in business to give you discounted electronics and not expect to make a profit. Support or move on. This would be a totally different story if people would have supported Palm and not make up stories of 10 pre's that were returned due to quality issues. I always fund that hard to believe. I've had mine for 2 years and it is still kicking.

$250 for TouchPad is too high price if you value your money. Tablet version of webOS is polluted with same problems as smartphone version, and if it was OK to invest money in webOS in 2009 believing platform will improve in time, doing same in 2011 is not OK. touchpad build quality is poor, operating system is unbalanced and underperforming, so it's not worth more than $150. I do like webOS idea, but was more wiling to pay $499 for iOS execution than to be stuck in webOS limbo.

Not me, I bought mine at full price on day one, plus all the accessories. I think HP had the wrong price from the start but I was going to buy it at almost any price just because it's webOS.

HP should have done some marketing analysis and I think they would have found that it would have sold much better at a lower price point.

The fact that they're not all dissapearing from ebay at 250 to 350 is due mostly (I believe)to the fact that we have no idea if this product will be supported in any way "in the coming months". HP devalued their own OS when Leo made his announcement two months ago.

When I have a few bucks left over at the end on the month I'm going to buy a second one and keep it in the box till I need it; ie my current one dies or is lost or stolen. I'll pay the $350, and I'd pay more if that were the going rate.

I use it daily for work and play. My current novel is being written on it and halv a dozen short stories. I couldn't be happier with the device, it's only failing is that it was outdated on day one and there aren't enough apps available. Oddly enough there were a whole bunch of new apps just yesterday; I biught three and downloaded four that were free.

You're one of the few..

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I have to disagree. If the models were INITIALLY sold for $299 (16Gb) & $349 (32Gb) or [$249/$299], and the Pre3 was sold for $299 to $349 (off contract), I think sales would've been decent.

The fact that HP's marketing scheme was to introduce the Touchpad, Pre3 and Veer as "they're coming soon", where soon was 5 or 6 months, just added to the stupidity. It might work for Apple, but they were already entrenched into the market place.

I have a Pre right now, and it's still better than some of the **** out there. Mostly because of webOS, but still, I prefer my Pre - despite the issues with its' vertical slider. My question is, why didn't they put out a horizontal version (assuming I'm getting my orientation right).

HP's problem - as hindsight tells us - is that their company focus was on the PC hardware division (understandably so), and how to divest itself - in order to follow Leo's dream (and the direction some thought was the way to go). It's like McDonald's saying they're moving exclusively to chicken, so they can give KFC a run for their money. In HP's case, they really phlucked up that decision.

To me, webOS is a demonstrative OS. It needs to be in the hands of users. Once they've tasted it - like some who thought a cheap Touchpad could be turned into an Android machine - the attraction develops. Had HP even read some of the faithful here, they might have realized that "word of mouth", along with cheap predatory pricing (all kinds of examples in the business world), that maybe this thing would've turned bigger.

Carriers may have been their biggest roadblock, but had they put out unlocked phones (via a HP store that at the time was more buried than Mulder's 1st office), **** ... who knows what might've happened.

For management that gets paid big bucks (the 1% groupies), they sure acted like the 99% gang - fragmented, and unsure of what they want.
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I absolutely disagree.. - let me start off by saying that the WebOS community is not Nearly the size of Apples! nor is the WebOS base a 'cult' base much like apples where the guy w/ a 6 month old Iphone3gs needs the Iphone4, etc...

See I feel the spending & the sponsers, the ads etc.. really did help, but how can one expect huge sales on the opening market? Where was the push coming from? We all know that 90 percent of all IPads out there are owned by diehard Apple guys & those with so much money they just want to be apart of something new and fresh..but Christmas is here NOW! and the last time I checked it wasn't christmas time in July..

Why do I bring up christmas?

Because I initially planned on getting one for Christmas. Now of-course, when they had the firesale - i sat on HP.com for 12 hours straight reloading until I saw a sale sign come up. bought two touchpads and am very very happy, but in no way was I not willing to pay the 400 that I constantly saw in ads everywhere.

The 500 dollar price-tag was a joke because they constantly sold it for less - and I knew I could definitely have gotten it for that price maybe even 350 on black friday (at least that was my own projections at the time)

I'm not going to sit here and pretend everyone was planning on buying a touchpad for christmas or whatever... but my point is simple, not everyone wants this type of device, and a lot of times devices like these (in my opinion) are bought for birthday presents or christmas presents...

...nor is the WebOS base a 'cult' base...

I stopped reading your post after that. This community takes "cult" to a whole new level.

I'm sorry, but to many people on this website are actually pretty down on WebOS.. .. You can't find people on Apple forums upset w/ what the company does.

It's hard to even find an apple person mad about the lack of flash in their Ipads. Instead they will stick up for Steve Jobs until their very last days..

It's a shame. 1.2 billion on Palm. maybe another 2 to 4 billion in keeping Palm operational and gearing up for tablet and phone production. 200 million plus losses in fire sale hardware. And now that they have 4% of the tablet market, lets just throw that away too. Looks pretty in white though.

What are they throwing away? The 4 percent was "gained" at a huge loss that will never be recouped. They get a 30 percent cut on apps, which means that each firesale Touchpad user would have to buy about $700-900 worth of apps just to offset the massive debits gained by cutting the price 80 percent.

That seem reasonable to you?

What I don't understand is why HP didn't try a price reduction first, say $400 and $475. I'm not convinced that they wouldn't have had the same run on touchpad if consumers believed there was going to be support down the line.

I had a brother once who would just give up on things as soon as things got a little hard; he'd throw out a whole model kit at the first sign of difficulty. He's in jail now and won't be out for a long time... HP reminds me of him sometimes...

IIRC, HP did cut the prices to $399/$499, undercutting the iPad 2 by $100 at each configuration. The problem was people STILL didn't want to buy it. HP figured out what Palm knew from the Pre and Pixi debacles - nobody wants to buy WebOS based products.

That 4% was stated by one source; every other metric I'm seeing puts it combined with "other" below 1%.

Here's just one of them, from today even. Check out the browser market share from a mobile perspective:

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/11/the-end-of-an-era-internet...

I've had the crackly, bass-free audio happen once on my 32GB. Reboot fixed it, too.

It's a recurring problem though

I like my White Touchpad. Didn't have the audio issues before the 3.04 update. A restart fixes it.

I had an online order with HP pending for one of these for about a month (on my debit card no less). After about a month, I received an email from their Home Sales dept stating that due to unprecedented demand that they had all been sold out . Then they asked if I would want to change my order to a 32GB TP at the firesale price ($149). Uh..."yeah!". So I did and I received it about two weeks ago. :)

Now I've got two 32GB TPs - one I got for $5, the other I got for $156.89. Two tablets for under $200 - byte me Apple!

Techiedude

OK, I'd really like to hear the story about the $5 TP...

Charmin Ultra 12-roll Mega Pack. Great deal for $5, too.

I submitted it about a month ago to the PreCentral editors as a freelance piece but never heard anything back...hmmmm :(

Techiedude

The Panda Pad (endangered and diminishing in numbers).

I was hoping they would have at least added a micro SDHC slot. Then I would have been smitten.

Oh well, I like my 32 GB one though and think of it as tablet training wheels...one day I'll trade up for a big boy toy.

I get the crackly sound on my 32gb black every few days. Fixed by reboot. Sounds like audio clipping. Darned annoying...

I've had this issue lately as well. It never happened prior to the latest update.

I really like my white touchpad too! Justified spending. Faster than my 32GB more storage. I'm totally happy!

@Derek

you missed spelled "white" in the paragraph 7 under performance.

great review.

waiting for my check in the mail

Shocked to see that Derek expects the white Touchpad to be so much better than the black one. Really hoped we had gotten past such things, we should be judging devices on the content of their processor and not color of their exterior.

...very funny!

I'm putting a grill on the white side, and replacing it on my George Forman Grill!

Everyone knows that fat tablets shouldn't wear white - they should wear black. It's more visually slimming.

"It had been freshly booted and would launch any app you wanted, but wouldn’t shut down. It’s an issue we’ve never encountered on any other TouchPad we’ve touched (power + volume force killed the TouchPad)."

I had this problem on my 32GB Black TouchPad when I had 3.0.2 installed. I lent it to my girlfriend for her trip out of state, and when she came back with it (it was brand new at the time), no matter how long I tried to hold down the power button, the menu to shut down would not appear. I did a force restart too and that fixed it. It never happened again.

I'm happy with my 32GB and 64GB TPs (and the Veer). Both have this sound issue. Hope an update will fix this.

Funny timing. I just started using my panda touchpad full-time like a day or two ago, even though i bought it weeks ago.
I keep going back and forth on whether i should have bought a fauxG touchpad, but! ATM don't have use for either extra feature, but at least my dad gets a touchpad [finally]. I really wanted to get him and mom the 16gb, but damn you HP! Looks like that's not going to happen. Cheaper to get a 32/64 retail than a 16 on CL/ebay. Ugh..

I just want to say that the TouchPad is a great, great and great Tablet, I can´t help using it everyday, it´s just addictive, everybody in this and other forums has said the same thing "I Love my TouchPad"

HP never shipped, never promoted, never let the world knew the WebOS products,(as its should) very stupid company They want huge sales of products that are not available in the market, they must be sick or crazy, for instance in Mexico very few people knows WebOS almost nobody.

I´m alone with my Housewife talking about WebOS topics because nobody has or knows WebOS gadgets, this must be a nightmare.

I love my touchpad....that being said, encasing a direct competitor to the iPad 2 in plastic and selling it at the same price was ridiculous! For that money, the damn thing should have been carved out of billet aluminum and as thin as a sheet of paper with 14 days of stand by time....impossible right now, I know...but you can't tell me that's what they were shooting for when they built this plastic brick..

Derek, you're a bit confused about binning (At least as I understand it).

As I understand it, binning generally means giving a chip a different "name". They are not sold as equivalent. Having the same name means they are sold as equivalent and is not binning. i.e. Intel might produce a lot of cores, some spec out at 2.4ghz, some spec out at 2.2ghz, others at 2.0ghz. They are labeled apropriately. Now ones that spec out at 2.0ghz, might be able to run at 2.4ghz, but you know you are buying the 2.0ghz chip.

I could be wrong, but I was pretty sure the conventional wisdom about the 1.2ghz clock rate was that HP just wanted it underclocked to save power.

Jon Ruby specifically stated that the chips were binned differently in the TIMN interview. Derek's description matches my understanding (not that it makes either one of us right).

Just a few things as my 10 cents... I must be the only one who prefers the plastic casing opposed to the iPad's aluminum. While it is true that the aluminum looks better, it is very cold to the touch when one first handles the device. I hated that with my iPad.

Also, I think the Veer is a brilliant device, very far from being a failure (Switched from a BB 9900). May be it satisfies different needs than other phones and those needs are a niche market. I found the veer perfect for my needs.

And at last, I don't get the excitement (or the lack of it) about a 1.5 GHz Touchpad. Mine is running at 1.85 GHz without any issues what so ever, pulling score 80 in Lithium with an F4 core. Isn't everybody running this already?

Only a small subset of users overclocks. I'd say probably at least 95% of users are running bone stock.

and I would also think that the majority who do overclock are content with the Uberkernel at 1.5ghz. Only a small subset go through the trouble to enable the alpha and beta feeds, and ignore all the warnings attached to the other kernels.

I can't defend the plastic casing! and you shouldn't either.. I will say the Aluminum Casing for the iphone is sorta strange - but I guess it probably keeps the battery cool and your hand cold lol.

The new Pre3 Has fantastic casing.. let me explain.. when an architect uses brick facing, he wants it to be brick facing.. None of that fake brick cheap **** you buy and plaster it on a wall or what have you.. You want the real thing.

And well, w/ the pre3 it has a beautiful glass front and this rubberish back - and I tell you.. Fantastic! Greatest phone I have ever held.
(My personal, yet biased opinion)

Since webOS hardware was shut down, it's a moot thought: I wonder how much it costs to actually manufacture one TouchPad for HP. I know there's a suspected BoM of $328-- but do you think that cost applies to the largest PC maker in the world?

webOS might not be as big of a financial loser as people believe. Looking at the facts from the outside, it may seem like HP lost $1.2 billion + advertising + R&D on the Palm/webOS purchase.

But HP has stated over and over that they bought Palm for patents, not webOS. Therefore, it's only safe to assume that a huge part of the $1.2 billion was earmarked for however they valued Palm's patent portfolio.

Should HP consider that portion of the purchase price as lost funds since they continue to own the patents?

Has HP lost money on webOS? Undoubtedly. As much as people think? Probably not, considering they didn't really want Palm for it anyway.

Regarding the number of White TouchPads released to retail, the number has to be somewhat more than "somewhere in the hundreds of units, certainly less than a thousand." Ingram Micro had 300 of them in stock during the week leading up to firesale. I seriously doubt Ingram's small stock accounted for a third or more of all the pandapads shipped. I admit that doesn't prove anything beyond the 300, but if you consider all the other distributors as well as all the retailers that get their stock directly from HP, the total surely has to be in the several thousand.

actually that is a perfect point about scanning the double sized storage -- you may have a faster processor, but the storage device cantprocess it any faster.

so i got my touchpad back and its finally fixed. and the app catalog has the sports issue up. just wanted to know if i was the only one

Id love to send my cracked at the headphone jack black Touchpad to HP and have them replace the back with a white one for extra money.

Obviously the best TP deal was the 16gb's for $49. Next best thing was 16gb for $89. I cannot believe anyone bought the 64gb model for $300 or more and thought it was a slick deal.

how/where did anyone get a 16gb for $49... or even $89 for that matter? I couldn't even get my hands on one for $99 during the fire sale, had to settle for 32's (1 from Radio shack for me, one from my distributor for my wife, 2 from HP for sister/brother-in-law).

The white case cracks in all the same places as the black case.

I know this, because I've got a white one.

It is just about to go back to HP for the SECOND time for a replacement case, as the first replacement is cracking already.