Round Table: One month with the HP TouchPad 22
Welcome to Round Table, which is in fact not a table at all. Round Table is a continuing series on PreCentral where we pose a question to the staff and they provide their thoughts and insights. The question could be something simple like “what’s the one app you’re still waiting for on the TouchPad?” or something a bit more complicated, like “why do you still use webOS?” Or maybe we’ll just end up discussing the intricacies of glazed versus jelly-filled donuts. Today, however, we’re going to offer our thoughts on the HP TouchPad after having used one for a month.
Adam: At a high level, I would have to say that the execution of the release was both a success and failure. While HP succeeded in creating a product that has the potential to be a true contender in the tablet market and almost every single review praised the potential of the TouchPad and saw webOS 3.0 as a unique tablet experience, they also unanimously had a lot of issues with it. And the saddest part of the story is that HP was able to release an OTA update within one month of its release that resolved almost all of those issues. Had they held back or got the update out prior to the release, it would have resulted in a very different reception by the media and the tech world in general. In addition, it would have been nice to release the TouchPad along with the Pre3 to take advantage of SMS forwarding and Touch-to-share, but so far the HP Pre3 is M.I.A. Regardless, they released the TouchPad when they did and we have to get past that.
As for the TouchPad itself, there is certainly a lot to like. For the last month, I have not been able to put it down, as the usage of both my laptop and my Pre 2 have greatly diminished as a direct result of owning the TouchPad. For the most part, HP was able to take the best of webOS and scale it up to a larger screen. Just like previous webOS versions on phones, the OS is not just a glorified app launcher, but rather provides the user with an immersive and complete user experience. Between cards and Stacks, Just Type/Quick Actions, Synergy, cross-app integration, an almost perfect virtual keyboard, and a homebrew-friendly environment, there is so much to enjoy even before opening a single app. Navigating around the OS is so simple yet so effective. While I did have a number of issues with the initial implementation of webOS 3.0, which I discussed in my TouchPad Love/Hate Editorial, I think HP did a great job out of the starting gate.
Unfortunately, while the OS itself a step above the rest, the availability of apps was the opposite. Don’t get me wrong, because we have a lot of high-quality TouchPad-compatible apps, with more coming every day, but we are still missing a lot the standards that people are used to and expect from other platforms. While you can do a lot in the browser and the implementation of Flash is just amazing, we are still missing document editing and big name apps like Netflix. We are still stuck in the chicken-or-the-egg situation where these developers don’t want to commit until they see a large user base, but how can we get that user base without the apps? This is where HP’s scale needs to step up and convince these developers to flock to webOS, and we just have not seen that yet. The TouchPad is a great device and hopefully it will catch on and not go the way of BetaMax and HD-DVDs. We can only hope.
Derek: I’ve had the TouchPad in my hands longer than most people outside of HP. I received a review unit a little over a week before release, and it’s the first time I’ve ever really wanted or owned a tablet. I’ll admit, I was tempted by the iPad 2, but just tempted. And Android tablets? Don’t get me started. I’ve been a Palm fan since before I had the money to even buy a Palm device, and webOS on a big screen is a bit of a dream come true.
Unfortunately, HP kind of crushed my dreams with the TouchPad. While it was a lot of what I had hoped for, I was disappointed by the app selection, frequent lag, and other small frustrations. Overall, the TouchPad worked as we expected it would, but all of the small issues compounded to give me a more frustrating experience than I would have liked. It was like my Pre 2, with all its webOS goodness and all of its quirks and bugs, was bigger.
And then webOS 3.0.2 was released and suddenly it’s like I have a brand new tablet in my hands. It’s fast, it barely catches on itself, the keyboard is astoundingly accurate and fast. Where was this version of webOS a month ago?
webOS 3.0.2 really encompasses my problems with webOS overall. Palm and now HP have set a precedent of releasing software products that just weren’t ready for prime time (webOS 1.0 on the Sprint Pre, webOS 2.0.1 on the Pre 2, and now webOS 3.0 on the TouchPad) and following up with an update that fixes a bunch of the problems encountered by early adopters. It’s aggravating to wonder if these things were caught in testing and just couldn’t be fixed in time, and if so why release it if the chance to have a perfect launch is right around the corner?
Anyway, the TouchPad has carved out a niche in my life. It doesn’t really travel much with me, but it’s definitely become a preferred around-the-house device. It’s fast becoming my favorite reading device, taking over my news feeds, Instapaper queue, books, and some light web browsing. In fact, it’s often my preferred Flash video client – I watch a lot of YouTube, and often it’s just easier to do on my TouchPad than on my Mac.
But that niche isn’t a vital one. I’m not dependent upon my TouchPad like I am my laptop or my phone. It’s number three on my traveling gadgets priority list, and will remain there until the app selection makes some substantial improvements. Don’t get me wrong – I like the TouchPad a lot, I just don’t love it yet.
Riz: HP really hit the nail in the head with regard to the most important issue surrounding the TouchPad: justifying its existence. For at least as long as there’s been an iPad, there’s been speculation about how good webOS would be on tablets. HP moved beyond fanboy speculation to a real product you can hold in your hands today that proves just how good it can be. Use it and you’ll want to keep making use of it. It’s that compelling, and that’s a big thing.
Surely most TouchPad users would agree that it provides a compelling user experience, one that’s well differentiated from and (if not better) competitive with tablets offered by other manufacturers. One can’t help but get starry-eyed about the potential this device and this OS have in the tablet space.
Now, did they hit it out of the park with every aspect of the device? Of course not. It lags. It reboots. The PIM functionality out of the box is bordering on shameful, especially given Palm’s legendary PDA heritage. But at the end of the day all of the functionality issues facing the TouchPad are fairly trivial, provided they’re addressed in a timely manner. The TouchPad is ultimately a great experience in need of a little polishing, which is infinitely better than an experience that’s ugly down to the bone.
More importantly, the hardware ecosystem needs to be built out further and faster. More devices, more interconnectivity. More of that “rolling thunder,” we heard so much about before. People get excited about webOS launches, and nothing captivates like new hardware. More launches will have the greatest impact on webOS’s footprint.
So get cracking, HP. The TouchPad’s great and all, but in this era of Android, you should already have your next act waiting in the wings by now.
Tim: If there was any other time period in my life that I can compare these first 30 days of having the TouchPad to, it would be those first 30 days of owning a smartphone back in 2006. The fresh new apps, form factor, decent hardware and, of course, webOS 3.0 have made this last month really exciting. The device is nowhere near perfect, with more than a handful of bugs and a small crack next to the headphone jack, but my experience overall is still a positive one, and here’s why:
Perhaps I can be more forgiving of its faults than most people because of the optimistic perspective I have of the future of webOS, but I don’t think the TouchPad deserved most of the harsh and negative reviews that it received. Personally, I have been able to get work done faster and much more efficiently than ever before (I keep a dictionary and Twitter on my TouchPad on my desk for quick glancing while I write for you guys here, as one example). The ultra-portability means I can go anywhere with this device and not have to think about carrying a larger laptop bag – the tablet literally never leaves my side. And with it paired to my Veer, I rarely spend any time on my phone anymore; all of my phone calls go straight through the TouchPad and allow my phone to sit as a clock on a nearby Touchstone charger.
The crack in the hard plastic body is annoying, but it’s also covered up by the case I bought from Best Buy (which doubles as a stand), so I hardly even think about it. One bug that has me more frustrated than anything is how often the audio stops working on the device. How can I enjoy the superior sounds of Beats Audio in the tablet when I need to restart it at least once a day to get the music to play again? While the app selection is smaller than most other platforms, it has already grown enough to add the necessities for me, so I’m content with it. More choice is always better, though (especially when trying to gain market share).
It’s only been 30 days since I picked up this TouchPad from Best Buy, but there is no way I will be returning it any time soon. There’s always more that can be done to improve a device for the community, but then that’s why we’re all on PreCentral: to improve our experience with these webOS devices. After spending a month with the TouchPad, and really enjoying it despite the problems, I’m confident things will get even better in due time. At least, that’s what I’m hoping for – HP could use some good reviews out there in the wild to make up for all of the rough ones from a month ago.
So there you have it, that's what we think after a month with the TouchPad. Surely, your thoughts are much more important than ours - that's why there are comments for you to respond right below here.



























22 Comments
Two price drops, apps haven't picked up much, Hp giving people money to buy the Touchpad...doesn't sound good to me.
The price drops really don't bother me as much, but the apps have picked up there nearly daily updates to good pretty solid quality apps and magazines on the touchPad which more than i can say for my Tab 10.1 which i still have the same apps I've had on it since around a month ago. Not to mention the travesty in how hard it is to find honeycomb apps most blown up Android apps look and run terribly on the high resolution display so that point on huge app numbers to me for now is moot.
What people don't say which astounds me is that Honeycomb for all that jazz and 'apps' really has less tablet apps than the touchPad has and has been out and avalible for purchase since February. Say what you will about webOS but at least more apps and people are noticing almost daily even some of the bigger one's. Now of course it needs more apps and needs them now so it can be another selling point like Netflix, Zinio and some more media consumption apps but its HP that can court them and is doing so in most cases.
The discounts man its just moving units which is better than i can say for Honeycomb its lucky to move 10 to 100s of them a week if at all there's just not the marketing around all tablets that aren't Apple. If a discount really pushes people to get in and buy them the better it is for all of us and the better for HP to show off these numbers to devs to go here you want people here's your base, and we'll give you incentives to bring them out to the users.
Honestly i enjoy the touchPad a lot more than my Tab even though i wasn't sure about in the first place. So long as more people hear about it and it gets more coverage i think it will do fine especially if HP can maintain its momentum that's truly all HP needs to do at this point and build up presence and marketshare.
It's great that you can compare two different devices TP and Galaxy tab. If I was going to return my TP (and I'm not going to after 3.02 update) I would have gone to galaxy tab. Sometimes it's easy to assume the grass is greener in the android or another platform. The media loves the galaxy. And apparently hates webOS. They really are hammering the price drop as a bad omen for webOS. (very irritating and on the verge of irresponsibility) i'm glad HP can understand sacrificing short term profit for expansion of the base of webos users. Next they have to wake up the phone division.
I think that people don't understand HP and pricing. HP is used to being in a dog eat dog pricing fight - with PC's, servers, printers, pretty much everything. In fact, they were happy to compete against Cisco when they went into the Server business prompting HP to go deeper into networking. Cisco always competed at a hefty price premium in networking and was not used to the slim margins in servers. So, what happened? Cisco is not making a dent in servers and is losing market share in networking because HP was happy to sell in that market at lower than Cisco but bigger than server margins.
My sense is that HP launched at Apple prices just to set the baseline. Look at what they're doing now - selling at $100 off and can market it as a sale. If the price launched at these discounted prices where would they have gone - only lower. While I am sure they would have loved traction at initial launch pricing I trust that HP has no issue competing at discounted prices. They have fared well against Dell, Acer, Lenovo, Sony, Toshiba, Gateway and others in PC's with Apple priced much higher. Doing the same thing in tablets is no different just a newer market to chase.
that totally makes sense. hopefully this approach allows hp to sell many touchpads just like pcs/laptops!
"They have fared well against Dell, Acer, Lenovo, Sony, Toshiba, Gateway and others in PC's with Apple priced much higher. "
...except that with tablets, they are pricing themselves as high as Apple does, while other, better-equipped, better-specified, and better-supported tablets, are actually cheaper (on par with their "one-day only" sale prices).
If this were business as usual for HP, they wouldn't be handing out 50 dollar credits to "make things right"...again.
I think Derek's review comes the closest to how I feel. I'm 90% sure i'm going to return my 32GB touchpad, despite the fact I got it for $400 from staples.
The lack of apps is just really a bummer. My friend was over with his ipad he was streaming spotify. i liked the music and he said "i can share it with you." I figured, "they have spotify for my pre, they must have it for the touchpad"... Nope.
I'm also a linux systems administrator, I'm on call this weekend and I was hoping I could use the touchpad to ssh in and do some work. There is no SSH app.
The touchpad froze on me once while i was showing it off to some friends. It was embarrassing because ... well, when my phone freezes i can take the battery out and reset it. When the touchpad froze i had to ask to borrow the ipad to go online and figure out how to hard reset it.
The touchpad also wouldn't sync via bluetooth with my pre.
So yeah i'm 90% sure i will return this touchpad and wait to see if the pre 3 or a new webos phone comes out on Sprint. If it does, then I'll be looking forward to the touchpad 2 sometime next year i assume.
Spotify is coming to the TouchPad and someone already figured out a way to install the one from the phone to the TouchPad, poke around in the forums and you will find this out.
There is an SSH app in Preware. Also webos-internals has figured out how to get ubuntu on the TouchPad and someone in the forums used a browser and Citrix, look around in the forums and you will find what you need while we wait for the official apps.
TouchPad will sync bluetooth with Pre running 2.x versions, some people are using Ok, mine still has echoes; we are still on 2.1 so we need to wait for later versions of 2.x, hopefully with the Pre3 coming out soon, this problem will be solved.
yeah, t always starts this way with a new os (thats what 3.0 essentially is). more and more apps are being released daily. the apps are coming.
The "terminal" app in preware does not seem to work on the touchpad.
It does not look like the pre3 is coming to sprint, so even when the pre 3 does come out this is still an issue.
sigh.... to return the touchpad or not to?
Pre- 3.02 update: I was probably going to return my TP.
Post-update: I'll keep it.
I really don't want to learn a new OS like Android and there seems lots of fragmentation issues that are frustrating. At least on webOS, we know if an app will work (if it's there). And I won't do Apple, period.
The update improved things to the device being fun to use. Only major stuff left I want- netflix, and citrix. Other stuff is nice but not necessary for me. Oh, and make the decent browser even better so people don't notice the lack of apps! Since I'm an early adopter, I may get $50 app credit. Which is great except I can't think there are $50 worth of apps out there yet that I didn't buy yet. (maybe when the professional stuff like office editors come out..)
Wow bro just give up on web os like the rest of us. Come to reality that Palm and Hp have let us down. Put your money in products that are quality and make you happy.
Personally, I took my old Palm Treo Pro, jail broke it from verizon, and have it running on cricket with windows 6.5.
I love life right now! I wish to GOD that I had never bought the Pre Plus in the first place.
I am more happy with my 4 year old phone than I am with a Pre Plus. That's a crying shame.
wow, a windows mobile 6.5 phone cricket... yeah, it sounds like you prefer pain and suffering. i've used both and they suck waaaay more bro!
i'll give you this though, it shows you how much peoples preferences differ and how much that affects their experience with devices.
I'm surprisingly happy with mine.
I picked one up out of a combination of curiosity and loyalty to my Pre, but I wasn't expecting that much out of it, having used other tablets.
Instead, it's very quickly settled itself into my routine and I find myself using it a lot both at work and especially at home. Generally I've found it very usable.
Gripes?
Lousy Browser - No tabs, goes into a reload cycle on some pages, doesn't handle some flash based cyclic menu stuff well (like Steam and Slate)
No Kindle App in the UK - Very unimpressed with this.
I would like better document management software, but currently that's not a major issue.
Overall though I'm way happier than I expected to be, and if they can update to some less chunky and more modern hardware I'll be 100% commited to sticking with the platform for the forseeable future.
First point I want to make is this really wasn't the time for HP/Palm to fumble (or maintain their established track record) by going release-it-now, fix-it-later. HP needed to make a "splash" in the tech news with how awesome the Touchpad is right out of the gate and why everyone *needs* one... Instead it was more of a "plop" that's lumped it in generic iPad alternatives category as far as public perception. Maybe HP can fix it, but unless your name is "Apple" consumers tend to be unforgiving.
Personally, I wanted to be excited about the HP Touchpad and say that it's definitely the tablet I'm going to get... Except, I can't. WebOS 2.1 and my Pre 2 are the perfect smartphone for me. But its advantages are lost in the tablet competition for how I want to use it.
I want a robust tablet & OS to replace the netbook/tablet hybrid I currently lug everywhere. That means I need what the Touchpad *can* do, plus:
-Edit/Create Documents & Spreadsheets
-View content from an SD card (photos)
-GPS/Navigation (since NDrive Canada doesn't work)
-A good selection of apps for nerdy things like managing D&D Characters for my campaign
-A decent selection of IM apps that's not hampered by synergy's limited platform support
Based on that I'm probably going to buy an Asus EEE Pad Transformer. All the spiffy touchstone, SMS sharing, touch to share, etc, sound great, but I don't *need* any of those things to be satisfied. Core functionality matters far more. For GPS I cannot justify the (expected) price difference for a 3G/GPS Touchpad when hotspot + my 6GB data plan (tethering allowed) do the same thing. For SD card reading, there isn't even a planned accessory.
Add to that the slap in the face of your Palm profile becoming fragmented between phone and tablet, because updated information is not synced between devices. That alone could have pushed me strongly toward, instead of away from, the Touchpad.
I probably won't be buying a tablet before September or October, so HP has that long to change my mind, but I'm kinda doubtful at this point. If I sound ticked off, it's just because my Palm fanboy heart died a little upon seeing the reviews, and physically trying both the Touchpad and Transformer in-store. I literally wanted to buy the Transformer on the spot, thinking of all the things I could do with it right out of the box. The Touchpad was a lackluster "it's cool, but what would I actually *use* it for?" reaction.
Dont worry mine died a bit as well I'm close to selling out and getting the ipad 2. I don't really care if apple has to much control over the tab or lack of flash. They have apps people can use and it cost the same. Plus no way in this life will anything compete with itunes. I have to say after a month of playing with one at best buy, the OS rocks the tab sucks same old story
I don't really agree with this "Why not wait another month for a perfect launch" argument. If HP waited yet another month, the mud slinging from the media (vaporware, can't execute etc) would be so bad that it would not matter if the software's perfect. The main complaint so far has been that no hardware has been released, so they got it out the door, and fixed a lot the problems afterwards.
Well, think about if the majority of the reviews people will see when they do the the slightest research, said:
1) HP is here to compete as the core OS is working really well and it is a pleasure to use. They just need some time and more apps, but that will come with time.
But what everyone is seeing now is that HP put out something half baked. How many reviewers are going to go back and edit their reviews based on the update? None.
You really dont think this makes a difference?? It certainly did for my friend even though I tried to sell it to them.
Bad reviews can't help HP's situation. It's pretty simple.
If I ever read "webOS" and "potential" in one sentence, my head will probably explode!
Wait, my head is getting bigger.... and bigger...
BADA-BOOOOOOOOM!!!!
"We are still stuck in the chicken-or-the-egg situation where these developers don’t want to commit until they see a large user base, but how can we get that user base without the apps"
...so how come, that other platforms are not stuck in this "chicken and egg" situation, and never were?
Let me explain: developers do not wait for "large user base". They will invest as quickly in webOS, as they see that OS has a FUTURE. Developers ARE early adopters. They WANT to be first on the platform, as it buys them users attention, establishes them as market leaders, if they can beat the competitors to market.IF, and only IF they see the platform as having the **** POTENTIAL to stay alive, long term.
As of today, stupid decision making in Palm/HP, sends directly the opposite message, and both managements are doing everything they can to finish off the platform.
THAT is why developers do not invest in webOS, en masse.
There are plenty of companies that are late-adopters, though, such as banks, mainstream retail, publishers, etc. that are in the mobile space to follow their customers as they move to social and mobile devices. At 2% marketshare or even five times more, they won't be considering webOS.
Here are some of the apps i would like to see on the Touchpad - NetFlix, iExit, Vonage, Fandango, Voice Memo, MetroMix, Expedia, SouthWest, TripAssist, ParkNow, SuperShuttle, DIY, PizzaHut.
•Must Have - Full editable version of The Office Connect
•Must Have - Adobe Digital Editions
•I wish I could view some of the News Apps in Full Screen Mode (BBC, Express News, LA Times)